[01:47] MSG: [02:59] MSG: Quit: michal [04:30] Join: Mike joined #corewars [04:31] Hello! [04:32] :( [04:32] someone rescue on-speed, it's 49th [04:33] Part: Mike left #corewars [08:53] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [09:53] good morning Mizcu [09:53] on-speed is dying [09:53] mornin' brx [09:54] need a desperate smoke [09:55] I am about to go outside and plug myself some random green [09:55] actually. good idea. [09:56] what are the risks? [09:56] ... will try it :) [10:02] maybe I should put that stuff into the oven first [10:02] to dry.. [10:29] Join: Roy joined #corewars [10:29] And brx, how was it? :P [10:30] Roy: let me tell you that I now fully appreciate the flavour of tabacco [10:31] I think the risks aren't less then normal smoking [10:31] So thats about: [10:31] Atherosclerosis [10:31] Acute bronchitis Allergies [10:31] Hypertension Chronic bronchitis Rhinitis [10:31] Heart disease Emphysema Sinusitis [10:31] Coronary artery disease Lung cancer Other infections [10:31] Peripheral vascular disease Mouth cancer Burns [10:31] Myocardial infarction Tongue cancer Peptic ulcers [10:31] Stroke Laryngeal cancer Varicose veins [10:31] Polycythemia Esophageal cancer Hiatal hernia [10:31] Low birth weight infants Bladder cancer Osteoporosis [10:31] Increased infant mortality Kidney cancer Periodontal disease [10:31] Alzheimer’s disease Pancreatic cancer Senility [10:31] Vitamin/mineral Cervical cancer Impotence [10:31] deficiencies [10:31] good [10:31] Or something like that (may has missed something ;)) [10:31] *have [10:31] so it didn't taste good was all. [10:32] I guess I have to borrow some tabacco :) [10:32] grow some your own :) and while your growing that... [10:33] yes? [10:34] www.overgrow.com [10:35] There are more legal(outside NL too) additives too [10:36] mh [10:36] Mizcu: do you know anything I can pick up outside for free? [10:36] and smoke? [10:37] :) [10:37] Yeah, here we can grow a lot of stuff legaly, even Marijuana etc [10:37] Roy: synthetical stuff is the best [10:38] brx: catnip(!) [10:38] Mizcu: ? [10:39] http://www.erowid.org/herbs/catnip/ [10:40] and how do I ... smoke that? [10:41] it's a hallucinogen? [10:41] come on, use the force (google) [10:41] Harvesting: The herb is harvested just before flowering in middle to late summer on a dry sunny day and in late morning when all dew is gone. Drying should be done carefully. The leaves are stripped from the stems and dried as quickly as possible with good ventilation out of direct sunlight, or in an oven at 150 degrees Fahrenheit to avoid losing much volatile oil. [10:41] where do I find that stuff? [10:41] http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/cultivation/cultivation_growing-the-hallucinogens.shtml#CATNIP [10:42] Lot of other plants too there [10:42] but where do I find that stuff [10:42] im in dire need [10:42] Mizcu: don't you know anything more common [10:42] You can probably get Catnip seeds at some local seedshop, one local sells them here [10:43] You could use Nutmeg, but it frags your liver, or maybe even Calamus, which fries your brain.. [10:43] -Seed- shop, I think he wants it NOW :) [10:43] LOL [10:43] True junkie just buys a spray-bottle of Catnip at local pet-shop and uses it on tobacco [10:43] it frags my liver? :) [10:44] brx: Just be creative, put some different plants in the oven and try [10:44] it fries my brain? [10:44] a spraybottle? [10:44] lol [10:44] Ohw, don't forget to write it down and publish it on the web before it kills you, wise lesson for others [10:45] Roy: very funny [10:45] how about this [10:45] http://www.erowid.org/plants/coca/ [10:45] where can i find it [10:45] Calamus gives high because it is so highly poisonous. Same chemicals as Belladonna. [10:46] brx: dealers dont sell seeds, with maybe exception of pot, so you cant really. [10:46] You want Coca leaves? hehe, wont find that in europe I guess [10:46] " and have a long history of use as a medicinal, poisonous, and ceremonial herb." [10:46] Roy: yes, I want coca leaves [10:46] Though coca-leaves themselves are quite harmless to chew, compared to say, cocaine. [10:47] Mizcu: how do you know nutmeg is bad for me [10:47] brx: Ive read a lot of drug-stuff, Nutmeg's oils are bad for your liver. [10:48] so you recommend catnip? [10:48] Contraindication: May cause temporary constipation and difficulty in urination. Nutmeg oils increase fat deposits on liver. Safrole is carcinogenic and toxic to liver. Benefucial as spice or in small amounts; not recommended as hallucingen. [10:48] I wouldnt recommend even tobacco [10:48] "Its effects are long-lasting and are considered unpleasant by most who experience them." [10:49] why not? [10:49] Carcinogenic effects, lung detoriation [10:50] http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/natural_highs_faq.shtml#nutmeg [10:50] lol [10:50] Roy: there, they actually send in those reports [10:52] "I've known [10:52] brave souls who take a cup at a time. Maybe that's why they disappear [10:52] for a couple of days." [10:52] Well, I am recovering from a horrible experience. [10:52] Tuesday night about 10:30pm, I took 5 tablespoons of Nutmeg. [10:52] I am still hungover, almost 2 days later. [10:52] lol [10:54] lol [10:55] By this time I was in [10:55] a panic, thinking that I had comitted suicide, etc.etc. My body felt like it was melding with the [10:55] floor; I also felt that my whole body was made of vomit [10:55] The one below sounds fun YOHIMBE BARK" [10:55] this is just great :) [10:55] * brx takes a look [10:57] Yohimbe would be interesting stuff to try, but i dunno if it is really worth anything, regarding the amount of stuff ive read [10:58] let's all try it together :) [10:58] we can tell each other about it on irc :P [10:58] on the other hand, roy might want to be with his girlfriend then [10:59] have to wait two days for that :) [11:00] also recently tried the yohimbe extract that they sell in health food stores. The stuff costs about $7/oz. It comes in one ounce bottles with screw-on eye-dropper caps. Recommended dose on the bottle is 3-20 drops up to three times a day. [11:00] [snip] [11:01] Recently, I took 100 drops mixed in orange juice. [11:01] Anyway, it didn't do anything, so I took another 50 drops, then another 50, and still no effects whatsoever. I wonder if the extract is even active. [11:02] hrm: [11:02] Love The greatest hit of all. Highly addictive, [11:02] powerful rush, but a terrible comedown. [11:02] datura sounds good [11:02] and below that: [11:02] Sex Often dificult to score and can be [11:02] somewhat disappointing. As with Ecstasy, [11:02] new risks have emerged in recent years, [11:02] but if youÕre sensible, you can minimize [11:02] them. Great fun. [11:03] Y tastes foul, and at most causes rousing in some people [11:04] Mizcu: have you tried catnip? [11:04] (Datura, Calamus etc. ) Contraindications: Highly toxic. Side effects include dryness and soreness of moucous membranes, blurred vision, urinary retention, severe hallucinations, retrograde amnesia lasting several hours to several days. Not recommended without expert supervision. Possible brain damage from large amounts. [11:04] Brx: hell, i havent even tried Tobacco [11:05] Mizcu: let's try catnip or datura [11:05] what do you say, roy? :) [11:06] Id rather be with as little extra chemicals in my body as possible [11:06] Hehe, I'd rather not do both, I'll stick to my caffeine addiction :) [11:06] Mizcu: oh please. [11:06] And they might cause really bad effects with my medication [11:06] catnip is a medicine [11:07] Mizcu: bullshit [11:07] Teaine and caffeine and vitamins, think thats a little bit better for my health [11:08] Mizcu: my daily dosage was way higher than yours... [11:08] Mizcu: and I was *okay* after drinking large amounts of alcohol [11:09] Mizcu: of course I do not know what exactly it is you are taking [11:09] Alcohol and Citalopram have no ill effect together, but alcohol is also quite simple chemical [11:09] oh [11:10] I was getting different stuff :) [11:12] What do you both have? [11:12] whoups, Mizcu, I checked [11:12] you are right [11:12] you should not try any of the aforementioned drugs. [11:12] unless you want to die that is. :) [11:13] Citalopram is not a MAOI [11:13] I know [11:13] But nevertheless, i dont want risks [11:13] you shouldn't use it with an maoi either miz [11:14] ssris in general .. [11:15] Roy: depression here. [11:15] Ah.. not good :( [11:16] Well, Jaska used to take 2 times to dose of mine (and i already take above average) [11:16] I stopped my therapy though [11:16] Mizcu: mh [11:17] I was at 100mg daily [11:17] considering my stature that is a lot. [11:17] Join: michal joined #corewars [11:17] Wouldnt say "lot" [11:17] next time I get medication I demand MAOI [11:18] hmm, Citalopram has a rare side effect named: Increased libido... [11:19] Cocoa and cheese are common low-power MAOI [11:19] Mizcu: chocolate doesn't help anymore :) [11:20] Roy: though decresed libido is _common_ side effect with it [11:20] just doesn't cut it [11:20] Roy: learn the paradoxical ways of ssris [11:20] brx: you've tried superblack chocolate? [11:20] (superdark) [11:20] Roy: a common side effect of those is "better mood", a rare side effect is: "intense depression" :) [11:21] Mizcu: not yet. [11:21] Heh, I eat cheese everyday, and also some superback (bitter) chocolate :O [11:21] Actually, in the paper note that came with pills, it says that better mood is actually a rare side effect =P [11:22] Mizcu: lol. [11:23] Ohw btw. I just got the print, so now my present is complete, looks pretty cool in a frame [11:24] Roy: congrats [11:25] Hmm, have to stop eating so much chocolate :) [11:25] "Although addictive behavior is generally associated with drug and alcohol abuse or compulsive sexual activity, chocolate may evoke similar psychopharmacologic and behavioral reactions in susceptible persons." [11:29] brx, accept [11:29] I accept [11:30] why do you have all this drug information if you can't take it [11:30] to keep you from it :) [11:31] Well, i just collect less-common information [11:36] Do you have any information on licorice? [11:37] mm.. no [11:38] I think its a but the same as chocolate, lot of odd effects possible [11:38] Here in NL we have 'drop' a licorice candy, we eat it a LOT but foreingers never like it (tasts bitter) [11:38] *tastes [11:38] Well, no lico at lycaeum or erowid [11:40] you have lico-drops, we have salmiakki.. [11:41] Ah yes.. [11:41] - Control respiratory problems and sore throat [11:41] - Lessen symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia [11:41] - Combat hepatitis [11:41] - Soothe skin irritations such as eczema and shingles [11:41] - Treat PMS and menstrual problems (important for girlfriends/wifes) [11:41] - Prevent heart disease [11:41] - Fight cancer (?) [11:41] - Alleviate ulcers, heartburn, indigestion, and inflammatory bowel problems such as Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis [11:41] - Control canker sores [11:41] Wow.. [11:43] "Treats meanstrual problems", but Glycyrrichin (whatever the name was) rises blood pressure, and causes shorteting of pregnancy (in a bad way) [11:43] I eat all of this a lot: http://www.hollandsedrop.com/offersenglish.html very very good! [11:43] Some of those are familiar to me too [11:44] Ah ok, good :) [11:44] Harlekijntjes are called "Väyrynen" 's in Finland after certain politician [11:45] Those Cats are good.. i know those herrings, Bassets are available at nearby store, wheels are common, and Salmiacs are good, though rare. [11:46] And i have an empty Van Slooten -can for my pens here [11:46] Winegums are evil... and they aren't licorice [11:47] (Well, that isnt suprising news) [11:47] Heh, they are made out of cowbones or something :S [11:48] Actually gelatine, which is extracted from the tissue in bones [11:50] Ah yeah, that was it [11:51] brx is awfully quiet.. gone tobacco-hunting again? [11:51] no [11:51] gone take some trash outside [11:57] 'Bout time i go buy some chow.. [11:58] bye [11:58] Think ill do some wok again (not "real", dont have the heat for it) [11:59] yay [11:59] got tobacco [11:59] my roommate rocks [11:59] later I will ask my other roommate for tobacco :) [12:00] * brx rolls [12:19] back [12:20] Join: Jens joined #corewars [12:21] Hi! [12:21] ... and Hi to the 2/3-'94nop-koth! [12:21] (i.e. Roy ;-) [12:21] Hi jens :) [12:22] Your evolver is quite a nasty thing [12:22] It definitly has a bug, but it is hard to find [12:22] Drama b3 (or 1st release) would probably get to koth now.. [12:22] Heh yeah :( [12:22] Mizcu: Already sent? [12:22] Drama b3..? [12:22] Not yet [12:22] Roy: there is still second beta at nop'21 [12:22] Roy: It is Mizcu's current warrior [12:23] Ah curious now, is that the paper you where making with the optimax without attack etc? [12:24] i changed into all-at-once optimizing [12:24] And fixed huge balance-bug [12:24] works better for me.. [12:24] is it a stone/paper? [12:24] with the special stone? [12:24] y [12:25] Though i probably could/should change from miniq4 into medium-sized qscan [12:25] But i still want some speed-advantage over other ones [12:26] I'm working on a new s/p too.. but I just started this morning [12:27] yes, only 5-8 so cycles advantage, but that still means almost- or completely booted stone [12:29] Nice.. [12:31] But i've run out of ideas for optimization [12:31] I could mess up with qscan, but i dont really want to [12:32] I let Jens do that for me ;-) right Jens? [12:32] without success [12:33] HullabaTwo did became better [12:33] *didn't [12:33] But Harmless Fluffy Bunny did :-) [12:34] I already lost the constants you calculated for me :( sometimes I wish I saved them somewhere for new optimisation [12:34] I can alway recalculate them, if you want [12:35] Well sure, I'm now almost ready to start optimising so that would be nice [12:35] But I think, it would take some time before I could do that. HFB has only a slight advantage at the moment. I don't want to risk it. [12:35] ... just kidding [12:40] hrm [12:54] * Jens is away for some minutes ... [13:00] I thought one djn-train was kinda desperate to optimize, but now i have 3 point difference between scores fo 10 tries [13:23] no, you have to do it all to become koth and stay there :) [13:26] I'm very curious if you make it, when do you think its time to send the new version? [13:27] hey Roy [13:27] http://scifi.about.com/library/graphics/bg76.jpg [13:27] comment [13:28] Well, ill let djn search itself for hour or two, and then send new version [13:28] comment? well... looks nice [13:28] Roy: thank you. [13:29] why? [13:29] who/what/why is it? [13:29] http://koti.mbnet.fi/mizcu/kari.jpg [13:30] hmm.. she looks a bit facelifted :) hehe but has a nice smile and good looking eyes [13:31] Roy: it's michal's fiance [13:31] (the first, not the latter) [13:32] Ah nice, he's done a good job :-) and the second one? [13:33] that's mizcu's mom. [13:33] seriously, she's Kari from Mythbusters [13:33] Wow... (gets a American Pie flashback, stiflers mom) [13:33] he's lying of course [13:33] Hehe, I should have known, I watch that show a lot :S [13:33] Roy: [15:33:34] michalja: I wish [13:34] :) [13:34] http://royvanrijn.fotopic.net/p19822597.html <- this IS my girlfriend (and me) for real! [13:34] http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/meet/meet_main.html [13:34] Roy: in fact, that first pic is of a character of battlestar galactica. michal has a crush on her, [13:35] Roy: the grass is green in nl [13:35] Well yeah, I thought it was odd that she had a battlestar galectica jacket on, but still you have such big fans who wear everything [13:36] Its always greener on the other side of the world :) [13:36] Roy: actually michal's fiance is grace park, and yes, she's an ex model and actress [13:36] Grace Park IS the girl on the picture brx... [13:37] Roy: no? she's just a random fan of the series I think [13:37] http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0661825/ (same picture) :-P [13:37] michal: show us the pic of you and grace in vancouver [13:38] Roy: that's grace park, yes. [13:39] it is not the same picture though [13:39] your picture actually shows the soon to be grace janeczek [13:39] my picture showed a strance photo montage [13:41] Is there a particular reason, why the '94nop/'94-hills only have 20 slots. Why not make it 25 or more? [13:42] because it was very slow.. [13:42] That should be no longer an issue, shouldn't it? [13:43] Jens: time passes, but hardware is not automatically updated. [13:43] Hmm ... on the the other hand it would render all previous results for '94nop no longer comparable to the current ones [13:44] that is a very good reason not to change it... and it is a good size imo [13:45] when you have a reasonable warrior you can almost always get on the hill, there are always 2/3 warriors with lower scores on the bottom [13:45] MSG: Quit: michal [14:29] back [14:29] hi [14:33] 0.23 point increase so far o_O [14:33] Hmm, well, its something! [14:37] Mizcu: With which score did you start? [14:37] 134.x [15:06] MSG: [15:11] topscores 134.04 - 134.63.. i think thats enough for djn-opting [15:15] :) [15:16] sheesh, almost 1 minute to return a good compile [15:17] but almost immediate run =/ [15:17] :( [15:18] No good, not enough aggression, and problems against other papers [15:19] It however does lose less points against the hill that previous version [15:20] Join: michal joined #corewars [15:34] Join: sf joined #corewars [15:34] hi FatalC [15:34] Hi [15:43] I thought I was in [15:43] #corewars not #softdrugs! [15:43] You cant always stay in topic [15:43] :) [15:44] Most of time ontopic channels either have lots of users, or some offtopic-sessions [15:44] Join: Roy joined #corewars [15:44] back again [15:44] hi Roy [15:44] Hi Roy [15:45] hi fatal [15:48] There is a site I haven't seen before added to the impring [15:49] there is? url? [15:49] http://corewar.org.ua/ [15:49] wow, there is something I can't read :) [15:51] on the wiki are two email adresses, maybe somebody could contact them [15:51] asw found it already http://wiki.corewar.org.ua/English [15:53] Also http://www.190r.nm.ru/ [15:53] hehe they copied the CoreWarLexion :) [15:53] well, they have the Icq-numbers at the site too [15:54] I've forgot the password to my icq-account a long time ago, and i cant use the recovery since e-mail addy was false. [16:01] There are some good links here http://cs.usu.edu.ru/study/CoreWars.htm [16:03] So many peopl visit the sites and they never drop by to say hello...such a shame [16:03] I made a site too [16:09] MSG: [16:16] This turns up when searching for corewar http://www.geocities.com/sorgula_queen/index.htm [16:25] MSG: Quit: The Bersirc are coming! The Bersirc are coming! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [16:30] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [16:30] evening all [17:01] MSG: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919] [17:34] Part: Jens left #corewars [17:36] damn those jpg's compress badly [17:37] guess i just have to buy a 512 Meg module [17:37] (Usb traveller, that is) [17:46] And USB2 -hub too and and and.. [17:49] MSG: [18:21] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [18:32] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [18:32] evening all [18:33] hi will [18:41] awfully quiet tonight? [18:41] Join: sascha joined #corewars [18:46] Probably [18:46] hey Mizcu [18:46] finished cooking/eating [18:50] U-ha [18:50] * willvarfa *waves* [18:50] MSG: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919] [18:50] didn't have to pay. another female visiting tomorrow [18:50] sigh [19:21] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [20:08] Join: Digitalll joined #corewars [20:08] Nick Change: Digitalll changed nick to Metcalf [20:08] Hi [20:09] hi Met [20:09] Just updated 94nophof (since Jens pestered me!) [20:14] Zul is catching up on nano :-) [20:34] MSG: [20:42] * Metcalf waves [20:42] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [21:10] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:11] Join: brx joined #corewars [22:08] MSG: Quit: michal