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[09:40]	<Jens> :)
[09:41]	<Roy> The always smiling Jens, hi!
[09:42]	<Jens> You should see the smile in normal life. A lot of people complain about it ;-)
[09:42]	<Jens> Hi Roy!
[09:42]	<Jens> Maelstrom is 25th on the '94nop-HoF now
[09:42]	<Roy> Heh, same here too, smile all the time, even when I'm crying inside :P
[09:42]	<Roy> Hrm, sounds like time for a new version ;-) (working on that!)
[09:43]	<Jens> But you have HullabaTwo. Shouldn't you let it age a little bit first?
[09:44]	<Roy> They can age together..
[09:44]	<Jens> I will never understand, why you've killed Hullabaloo.
[09:45]	<Jens> Yes, Yes, I know, that you had HullabaTwo, but that is no reason
[09:45]	<Roy> Well, because I wanted to send HullabaTwo, I can't leave two Hullas on the hill
[09:45]	<Roy> And for the age thing, it was just 100/200 or something, it would have taken years for it to age much further
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[09:46]	<Roy> And I like to try new things instead of staying with the current situation
[09:47]	<Jens> Hullabaloo was 284, when you killed it, now it would be more than 80 challenges older and already in the top50 of HoF
[09:47]	<Roy> Heh, too bad, but hey, its KOTH at koenigstuhl
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[09:48]	<Jens> Yesterday I've made some benchmarks and discovered, that SoV isn't that strong, when you benchmark it against fsh94nop. I would have never suspected that.
[09:49]	<Jens> Altough I should have known, because SoV is quite old now
[09:49]	<Roy> Yeah..
[09:50]	<Roy> Time for a new verion on that side too (its possible..)
[09:50]	<Roy> A new qscan does miracles, and I think there are also some updates possible on the stone or the imps or the boot
[09:51]	<Roy> But for some reason I don't want to touch it, because I think resubmitting it with some minor adjustments won't be appriciated
[09:52]	<Jens> I've been playing with new qscans since I've started to write part V of my qscan-texts, but in the end always sth. is wrong with it :(
[09:53]	<Roy> Ohw, and the SoV you and I know, and have in the benchmarks isn't the same as on the hill..
[09:53]	<Jens> But I don't think, even the improved version of SoV would live now that long
[09:53]	<Roy> The published version is a bit weaker different version
[09:54]	<Jens> But it probably scores bad against papers, too.
[09:55]	<Jens> Apart from keeping some secrets, was there a reason given for not publishing the original version?
[09:56]	<Jens> ... after it was pushed off
[09:57]	<Roy> Keeping secrets was the reason, and why it isn't published now... no idea, because nobody asked for it?
[09:58]	<Roy> Or they are secretly building a new and improved unbeatable version
[09:58]	<Jens> Joonas: Would you be so kind and publish the original SoV :-) Please :)
[10:00]	<Roy> But I'll take on the challenge Jens ("But I don't think, even the improved version of SoV would live now that long")
[10:02]	<Jens> And how do you want to do that?
[10:03]	<Jens> HFB vs. SoV = 113 : 121 :(
[10:03]	<Roy> How? Just make a new version of it, submit it and see.. its a old warrior, and off the hill for some time now, so improving it and resubmitting isn't such a big deal I think
[10:06]	<Jens> HFB vs. Imp = 186 : 57 ... Maybe I should always benchmark my warriors against imps. That way I'd always have good scores ;-)
[10:09]	<Roy> Hehe, all kinds of imps :)
[10:10]	<Jens> No, only against the original low-tech imp. I wouldn't have any chance against you high-tech imps ;-)
[10:10]	<Roy> mov.i #1,*0 (a-field!)
[10:10]	<Roy> and mov.i #1,1
[10:11]	<Roy> (djnstreamkillerimp)
[10:12]	<Jens> No, that wouldn't help. You need the HFB-killer-imp ;-)
[10:13]	<Roy> there isn't any...
[10:13]	<Roy> Sov 8890 > mySoV 9288 :) imrpoving is starting to take shape!
[10:14]	<Jens> What did you change?
[10:14]	<Roy> This is mainly the qscan..
[10:14]	<Roy> And the placement of the components
[10:18]	<Roy> Another big leap 9499 now! (new constant)
[10:19]	<Roy> I thought the constants where optimised for weeks/months...but there is room for improvement against new warriors
[10:21]	<Jens> How much does HullabaTwo have?
[10:22]	<Roy> hehe, 10728, but that is extreme
[10:22]	<Roy> It scores the same as Gargantuan atm, and is close to Frantic and Maelstrom
[10:43]	<Roy> Well, I'm pretty sure, with the right adjustments (if I can find them) a new Vain can become KOTH again!
[10:44]	<Roy> What should it be called...a name is everything .... "Grandfather Vain"? :)
[10:44]	<Jens> The question wasn't, whether a new SoV could become koth against, but whether is would survive as long as the original one
[10:44]	<Jens> Grandson Vain 
[10:44]	<Roy> Ohw yeah... its a decendend..
[10:45]	<Roy> Well, the age is hard to tell... no clear rules to achief that, only time will tell
[10:45]	<Jens> Apart from reordering the components, new constants and a new qscan ... did you change sth. else?
[10:46]	<Roy> Not yet, but I will (these things take time)
[10:47]	<Jens> So you won't send it to the hill soon?
[10:49]	<Roy> nah..
[10:51]	<Jens> Time to go then ...
[10:51]	* Jens waves
[10:51]	<Roy> ok, bye!
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[11:06]	<elkauka> hi+
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[13:15]	<Roy> :D
[13:16]	<Jens> Hi Roy! Is SoV II ready?
[13:16]	<Roy> Noo noo its not SoV II :)
[13:16]	<Jens> Grandson vain then 
[13:17]	<Roy> noo, must find another name
[13:17]	<Roy> grandson doesn't sound powerfull enough :) (neither thus the current king atah)
[13:17]	<Jens> But is it ready? That takes too long. HFB was written in only some minutes
[13:18]	<Roy> thus>does
[13:18]	<Jens> How about Fluffy SoV ;-)
[13:18]	<Jens> It would be fluffy then and you can see, that this word helps to become koth
[13:20]	<Roy> hmm..
[13:20]	<Roy> Hairy Fluffy Vain Puppet
[13:21]	<Jens> Or maybe "Hightech-Imp" ... that way you'd have the possibility to deny the stone-part ;-)
[13:21]	<Jens> Isn't HFVP too long
[13:21]	<Roy> "Not a paper"
[13:22]	<Jens> NOPE - NOt a PapEr ;-)
[13:23]	<Roy> Or I can just call it Rita :) sounds not so bad, but does huge damage
[13:23]	<Jens> Ask JM how he did the 1-instruction-trick with djn.f-stream and name it "djn.f-stream II"
[13:23]	<Roy> hehe, that would be very cool... I never figured that out, tried a lot of things :(
[13:25]	<Jens> Rita isn't evil enough, how about "Fat Man" or "Little Boy"
[13:25]	<Jens> Ho ... that would be a bad joke
[13:25]	<Roy> Fat Boy Slim
[13:27]	<Jens> hmm ... no
[13:28]	<Jens> How about leaving the ;name-field blank?
[13:30]	<Roy> No idea what you get then, and how you kill that :-S
[13:32]	<Jens> That was the intention. You seem to be quite fond of the idea to kill warriors, that do well on the hill
[13:32]	<Jens> ;-)
[13:37]	<Jens> I'm definitly too stupid to make a stone/imp. Every time I think, that it works, it suicides. Have you ever seen an imp, that suicides!!
[13:38]	<Roy> heh that is odd yes..
[13:39]	<Roy> hmm, Unnamed is now the second warrior in my benchmark, only hulla scores better... nice :)
[13:40]	<Jens> What did you change?
[13:40]	<Jens> I mean compared to SoV?
[13:40]	<Roy> Qscan/Constant/Placement and one more decrement in the warrior :-S so not much
[13:41]	<Roy> But it scores much much better
[13:46]	<Roy> If I'm going to kill it... then I can better call it "Made in vain.."
[13:47]	<Jens> :)
[13:49]	<Roy> Ok, can't find any more improvements this short notice
[13:49]	<Roy> Lets send a preliminairy version
[13:50]	<Jens> Now let's hope, that HFB stays koth
[13:53]	<Roy> We'll see... maybe its dissapointing, maybe not
[13:54]	<Jens> Where is it?
[13:54]	<Roy> in the queue
[13:57]	<Roy> Heh you'll be KOTH, bigger lead then now :)
[13:58]	<Jens> Yay, 166 from MiV
[13:59]	<Roy> Yup :)
[13:59]	<Jens> I know, that I won't come near it, but what is the record for stying koth in a row?
[13:59]	<Roy> Vain 13rd :(
[14:00]	<Roy> No idea..
[14:01]	<Jens> John: In case you know that, I would be interested to know and thanks for updating the 94nop-HoF :)
[14:06]	<Roy> guess I found the weakness in my design of vain... the papers :)
[14:06]	<Jens> But SoV wasn't that good against papers either
[14:07]	<Roy> it is good against Thingamabob and probebly also beats Fluffy
[14:09]	<Jens> yes, HFB vs. SoV = 111 : 121
[14:14]	<Roy> Yeah, I wonder what causes the bad scores now :(
[14:15]	<Jens> Don't ask me, I know next to nothing about corewars
[14:15]	<Jens> I only copy other people's code around until it scores well enough
[14:16]	<Roy> oops, I know! I changed SoV into a-field imps.. hehe and thinga+hfb have mov.i #N,{1
[14:17]	<Roy> This one should be better
[14:17]	<Jens> Don't forget, I need to stay koth ;-)
[14:18]	<Roy> Sorry... not going to happen now :-)
[14:19]	<Jens> Hey, nobody told me, that I cannot stay koth as long as I want. That is unfair.
[14:20]	<Roy> Sorry to inform you..
[14:20]	<Roy> But you might survive this attack
[14:21]	<brx> "I'm sorry sweety, we are in vertical reality now.."
[14:21]	<Jens> Don't cite from film/books, that I don't know ;-)
[14:21]	<Roy> yay, HullabaTwo is king again :-P
[14:21]	<brx> it's not a movie
[14:22]	<brx> I just came up with a little phrase to say if a girl would want to carry a "relationship" further
[14:22]	<brx> Jens: :)
[14:22]	<Jens> Roy: That's not funny
[14:22]	<Jens> ;-)
[14:22]	<brx> Jens: but you could state it in a way referring to a specific movie. 
[14:22]	<brx> "vertical limits"
[14:22]	<Roy> Your name is still on top, but when datted..
[14:23]	<Jens> I send a dat now
[14:24]	<Jens> And I thought, it would be a calm weekend with no surprises ...
[14:26]	<Roy> Surprise :)
[14:34]	<Jens> arrrgh ...
[14:34]	<Roy> .7 points...
[14:34]	<Roy> bye!
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[15:01]	<Jens> bye!
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[16:53]	<Mizcu> h R
[16:55]	<Roy> hi hi
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[17:05]	<Mike> Hello
[17:06]	<Mizcu> hi Chatbot
[17:06]	<Mike> Chatbot? Where?
[17:06]	<Mizcu> from same ip and ident as you
[17:07]	<Mike> No, I got told to turn the chatbot off.
[17:07]	<Mizcu> good
[17:08]	<Mike> No chatbot here now. I got told I was poluting the logs
[17:09]	<Roy> :)
[17:09]	<Roy> hi
[17:09]	<Mike> Hi Roy
[17:10]	<Roy> Who are you?
[17:10]	<Mike> Mike the spectator!
[17:10]	<Mike> I can't program much so I just watch.
[17:11]	<Roy> You from Southhampten ey? It Corewars intresting to watch?
[17:12]	<brx_> Roy: that is "anonymous" if you haven't noticed
[17:12]	<Mike> Wow! Brx :)
[17:12]	* Mike bows
[17:12]	<Roy> I know, but I want to know who/what/where it is/comes from ;-)
[17:12]	<Mike> (sorry)
[17:12]	<Mike> It comes from beyond
[17:13]	<Roy> beyond the core..
[17:13]	<Mike> You must be Roy van Rijn
[17:14]	<Mike> 12 billion light-years beyond to be precise
[17:14]	<Mike> (I like that song)
[17:14]	<Roy> Ok, if you insist
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[17:17]	<Mike> Yes corewars is interesting to watch
[17:18]	<Mike> I like that nano hill and the no pspace hill
[17:19]	<Mizcu> Has something kept you from learning redcode? Hopefully you are even now reading tutorials ;)
[17:19]	<Mike> I am trying!
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[17:21]	<Mizcu> ugh, how am i going to throw the ptr in this one..
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[17:53]	<Metcalf> Hi
[17:53]	<Roy> hi JM
[17:54]	<Metcalf> What's new?
[17:55]	<brx_> thinking about a new way to computationally generate warriors
[17:55]	<Metcalf> :-(
[17:55]	<Metcalf> Like evolving?
[17:55]	<brx_> actually, deeper than that, but using corewars as a first target has its merits
[17:55]	<brx_> no
[17:55]	<brx_> not like evolving, far from it.
[17:55]	<Metcalf> :-)
[17:57]	<Roy> hmm
[17:57]	<Roy> how do you see that brx?
[17:58]	<brx_> Roy: think about autonomous grammar and semantic deduction first, then goal directed construction of complexes based on deduced grammars/semantics second
[17:59]	<Metcalf> I asked for it
[18:00]	<Metcalf> The actual SoV I mean
[18:02]	<Roy> Ah, did you hear anything from them?
[18:03]	<Metcalf> I can't remember.  It was when it dropped off
[18:07]	<Metcalf> Can anyone read Russian?
[18:07]	<Roy> Too bad, would be intresting to see the difference, and put it in the benchmark :)
[18:07]	<Roy> Well, I sure can't... but I saw the website
[18:08]	<Metcalf> I can see ???????? ???? - ????, ?????, ????????? ?????
[18:09]	<Metcalf> Google doesn't have a Russian translator
[18:10]	<Metcalf> www.google.ru doesn't have anything either :-(
[18:11]	<Roy> Babelfish maybe?
[18:12]	<Roy> Seems they have the option, no idea how it works
[18:12]	<Roy> http://babelfish.altavista.com/
[18:12]	<Metcalf> babelfish -> useful site - dock, progi, the turnirnye hills
[18:13]	<Metcalf> Description of my webpage
[18:16]	<Metcalf> Does anyone know Jaska
[18:16]	<Metcalf> ''s email address?
[18:16]	<Roy> No...
[18:16]	<Metcalf> I don't like this keyboard :-(
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[18:19]	<Metcalf> Hi Michal
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[18:30]	<Metcalf> Hi Sascha
[18:30]	<sascha> Good evening...
[18:34]	<sascha> Hmm sitting here in boring Cologne, while Fizmo, Jens and elkauka are siiting together in Berlin talk about CW a have a cold Drink
[18:34]	<sascha> Live stinks
[18:34]	<Metcalf> :-(
[18:35]	<sascha> Ive thought about a little Journey, but tomorrow is the marriage from one of my best friends..i can't miss it...
[18:37]	<Metcalf> Hmmm...
[18:37]	* Metcalf would like to be in Berlin too
[18:38]	<brx_> I could pester them with my pattern rec/classification idea and explain how that expands into the realms of corewars.
[18:38]	<brx_> they'd be having a blast of a time.
[18:39]	<Metcalf> Why haven't you got a webpage brx?
[18:39]	<brx_> Metcalf: because I don't have webspace
[18:40]	<brx_> and I never had the drive to put up something since I doubt that it could be of interest to anyone
[18:41]	<Metcalf> :-(
[18:41]	<Metcalf> I don't think anyone looks at most of my webpage.  But I enjoy making it I suppose.
[18:42]	<brx_> (mizcu and michal might be able to explain the lack of motivation inhibiting such endeavours)
[18:42]	<Metcalf> And I've read most bits of everyone's Corewar page and haven't found anything that wasn't interesting.
[18:42]	<Metcalf> mizcu and michal have Corewar webpages
[18:42]	<brx_> michal?
[18:42]	<sascha> i think if you publish your nano scanner you will have some more hit's ;-)
[18:43]	<Metcalf> Which one?
[18:44]	<sascha> are there more than one...
[18:44]	<brx_> there probably are, as I have tried 3 approaches to a nano scanner and none of them were even promising :)
[18:45]	<sascha> Hmm, Type-1 leads with 10 points...awesome
[18:45]	<Metcalf> It was 21
[18:45]	<Metcalf> http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/hill.php?key=nano&t=1891
[18:47]	<Metcalf> And looks which warriors score best against it, 4 of mine.  If I killed those I could score 180 ;-)
[18:48]	<Metcalf> brx: there are several different types of nano scanner which work well
[18:48]	<Metcalf> Some are published on infinano
[18:49]	<Metcalf> I will send the to Christoph soon
[19:25]	<michal> I don't have corewar page, just fmars page
[19:25]	<michal> Metcalf, I actually read your page when you remind me of it
[19:25]	<Metcalf> :-)
[19:26]	<Metcalf> Thanks
[19:26]	<brx_> michal even read the first chapter of my book
[19:26]	<Metcalf> I keep adding new bits, hidden away where only the googlebot ever finds them.
[19:32]	<Metcalf> Where's bvowk disappeared to?
[19:33]	<Metcalf> I would like to write a Who's Who in Corewar page.
[19:33]	<Metcalf> First I need to find out a little bit about everyone.
[19:34]	<Mizcu> Not that bad idea
[19:35]	<Metcalf> I need a little bit of personal information.  Name / Nick / Birthday / City+Country
[19:36]	<sascha> Fizmo did that with poor success on his page...remember ?
[19:36]	<Metcalf> The a list of anything of note each person has created.
[19:36]	<Metcalf> I intend to do things a little differently.
[19:37]	<Metcalf> A mini biography.  I can find quite a bit of info for myself.
[19:37]	<Metcalf> Using r.g.cw / Koenighstuhl / hill logs.
[19:37]	<Metcalf> Hmmm... is it someone's birthday?
[19:37]	<Mizcu> Just ask someday for the info and ill answer
[19:38]	<sascha> hmm sure...someone has always birthday...
[19:38]	<Mizcu> Not that i would be a "who" of much notability
[19:38]	<Metcalf> Hmmm... just missed Fizmo's :-(
[19:39]	<sascha> If you want to save time, John..declare a "who" is a person who has made a warrior Age > 2000
[19:39]	<Metcalf> That only leaves 4 people!
[19:40]	<sascha> Moment guessing
[19:40]	<brx_> planar, grabun, joonas and? (not sure about planar) :)
[19:40]	<sascha> joonas, ian, paul...planar...
[19:40]	<sascha> grabun....2000 which warrior ?
[19:40]	<brx_> or wait, who was the coauthor of sov?
[19:40]	<brx_> wasn't it grabun?
[19:40]	<sascha> ian oversby
[19:40]	<brx_> silly me
[19:40]	<Metcalf> No, no-one correct 100% yet
[19:41]	<Metcalf> 50% is best
[19:41]	<sascha> joonas, ian paul and beppe
[19:41]	<sascha> hmmm joonas/ian are sure....paul for torch...
[19:42]	<sascha> and ?
[19:42]	<sascha> robert macrae
[19:44]	<Metcalf> 75%
[19:45]	<sascha> hmm, i give up
[19:45]	<sascha> ian joonas planar robert
[19:46]	<sascha> if counted by warrior then beppe too
[19:46]	<sascha> ian/joonas, planar, robert and beppe
[19:46]	<sascha> or paul....
[19:47]	<sascha> sigh
[19:47]	<Metcalf> :-)
[19:47]	<Metcalf> Someone's having a good look through the warriors on infinano at the moment ;-)
[19:48]	<Metcalf> Planar didn't quite make it.
[19:48]	<Metcalf> I think beppe was a few hundred off.
[19:48]	<sascha> dave?
[19:49]	<sascha> Jack in the box was near 2000 i think
[19:49]	<Metcalf> above 1500 yes, I would have to check.
[19:51]	<Metcalf> If you give up, check http://corewar.co.uk/alltime.txt
[19:54]	<Metcalf> It's time to go.  I'm hungry.
[19:55]	<sascha> CU
[19:55]	<sascha> Leaving too..late here..
[19:55]	* Metcalf waves
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