[00:20] ok, now i officially got the weirdest idea of the week.. [00:20] though its 3am so that will explain thing or three [00:30] So let's hear [00:32] Two cooperative papers; 1 hold multiple bombing-instructions, secondary has bunch of add's to modify first warriors "battery", gaining three different bomb-pattern per paper [00:32] would probably take too much maths to crunch it right [00:35] neat [00:55] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:23] Is player 1 always in position 0? [01:23] Or does it just adjust it accordingly so that it always looks like that, but the location may not be there [01:24] Yes [01:24] Yes to them starting there? [01:24] But it doesnt matter as all locations are relative, not absolute [01:24] yes :) [01:24] I understand [01:25] How outdated are the warriors that come with pmars 0.9.2? [01:25] Rave, Aeka and Flashpaper [01:25] They are all old [01:25] I think Aeka is late-94, Rave has different versions, newest from 94 or so, i think Flashpaper is even older [01:26] Would they get clobbered on today's hills? [01:26] Yes [01:27] Though Aeka might still give atleast some fight [01:27] Aeka is a Stone/imp, Rave is IMHO the most classical example of (old-style) carpeting scanner, and flashpaper is a stone/paper [01:28] Rave cannot defeat moderm paper/imps, Flashpaper is just updated [01:28] Aeka might have problems defending against papers and other stone/imps, but it might still give some kick against scanners [01:34] the word was outdated, not up.. [01:37] hmm, flashpaper is actually quite high on '88 koeningstuhl. But thats '88, not the '94. [01:44] I see [02:00] Can I do something like jmp @0, x [02:00] To jump to the location referenced in that instructions B field [02:00] yes [02:00] Cool [02:00] Hopefully my warrior is done by the end of the night [04:40] Well, ive got some progress.. [04:40] ? [04:40] Found my steam account-name, i just have to figure out what my password is [04:40] My vampire is failing horribly : ( [04:41] problems in fang-alinging or in something else? [04:44] Well at first I thought it was just a bad warrior, but then I realized I messed up this one part so it was overwriting code by accident [04:44] But now I am working on figuring out how to mov a jmp that remembers where to jmp to properly after it is moved [04:45] How do I move an instruction forward that needs to remember to jump backwards? [04:45] Or vice versa [04:46] there is no way to do that; you have to modify the fang that it points to correct location after throwing [04:47] Oh that sucks [04:48] common way of doing a vamp, is to use a fang in form of jmp -step{where pit is}, step [04:49] and you throw it with mov.i fang, @fang [04:49] and when you realign for another fang, you reduce a-field by step, and increase b-field (by step). [04:55] Join: caesar joined #corewars [04:56] hi,data gram [04:56] hi caesar [04:57] hi,mizcu [04:57] Hello [04:58] so...were u frm,datagram&mizcu? [04:58] I am from Finland [04:59] u like koth? [05:00] you mean corewars? or koth, the webpage? [05:00] corewars [05:01] Yes, i do [05:01] why? [05:02] Challenge to mind [05:02] Problem solving [05:04] but i think it only run in dos system [05:04] corewin runs in windows [05:05] sure? [05:05] yes [05:05] how can i download it? [05:05] http://www.geocities.com/corewin2/ [05:05] thx,i try it [05:08] sorry,the wedpagr u give me is 404 error [05:09] i can't visit it [05:09] It works [05:09] works fine with me [05:10] not work here... [05:11] and i can't visit http://www.geocities.com/ [05:12] weird [05:13] can i download it in koth's homepage? [05:14] sorry, you cant find it there [05:17] maybe geocities is blocked by your internet-company? [05:20] i think it's isp blocked it [05:23] http://koti.mbnet.fi/mizcu/CoreWin.zip [05:23] same file, but i put it in my own homepage-space for you [05:24] http://koti.mbnet.fi/mizcu/CoreWin_Guide_HTML.zip is users guide [05:28] thx.it can work now [05:31] the program,i think not perfect [05:33] you get an error? [05:34] in our country,somebody make a same program,but i think it work better than this one [05:36] I havent heard of that program so far [05:36] Can you give an address? [05:37] ok,but can u know the chinese text? [05:37] No, but i can guess [05:37] :) http://www.xfocus.net/releases/200308/a592.html [05:37] the page is it [05:38] the author say http://www.koth.org/ is the CoreWars's old home,so i find it,and come to here [05:39] Mizcu, http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.xfocus.net/releases/200308/a592.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.xfocus.net/releases/200308/a592.html%26hl%3Den%26hs%3DJre%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official [05:39] Translated version [05:39] thx datagram [05:39] It's broken english, but better than nothing, yes? [05:40] nothing special in the text [05:40] year,it's same to i translated the english to chinese [05:40] It's just the redcoding introduction [05:42] are u try the programe? [05:42] My internet-browser cannot download the file [05:42] It shows Chinese text right, but cannot get the file [05:44] wait,i try to upload it [05:45] I downloaded it [05:45] I can email it to you [05:45] can you dcc? [05:46] I'd prefer email [05:46] mizcu a mbnet fi [05:47] (all text here is logged at www.koth.org/irc-logs/ , so i give messed up mailaddress so spammers cannot find it) [05:47] I know [05:49] Sent [05:49] how can i send to u? [05:49] I'm not on windows so I can't test it, but the files are there [05:50] datagram just sent it to me [05:50] u use linux? [05:50] can i send the english ver to u use the dcc? [05:51] Actually I can try to run it in Wine [05:52] I don't think it is 94 compatible [05:52] It gets a parse error on labels [05:53] No, it uses old 88 -standard [05:53] It seems pretty limited though [05:55] CoreWin is much better [05:58] year,i think so [06:00] permission me ask a question [06:01] why u still here? [06:02] I have no hurry anywhere [06:02] :) [06:02] who's ur hobby? mizcu [06:02] sorry,what's ur hobby? [06:03] I spend lots of time here on computer. I am speaking to you two, and another person, and checking some stuff for Diablo 2 [06:04] Outside computers i plan to get some Warhammer-miniatures [06:07] ok... [06:07] i think i need to learn some english [06:08] were can i download the corewar's file? [06:09] Please explain again [06:10] ok,let the corewin doing sth,so i need download some war file for it.... [06:10] ah, warriors [06:10] yes.... [06:12] There are lots of warriors everywhere [06:12] www.koth.org/wilkies/ [06:13] http://www.koth.org/planar/olympus/ranks.html [06:13] http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/ has most [06:14] if i want play,did i need know how the cpu work? [06:14] thx ur url [06:15] Putting warriors fight doesnt need any understanding, but if you want to make your own warriors, you need to learn redcode [06:16] redcode? [06:16] the language warriors are made with [06:17] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [06:17] can i see the code ur write? [06:18] you can open the files with notepad or wordpad [06:18] so,i need 2 codes,let it war? [06:18] yes,i can [06:18] Sorry, gotta go [06:19] i can see the code"mov.i 4, >p12+DIST" like the asm lang. [06:19] ok,bye, mizcu [06:33] it is the corewar language? :P [06:35] what? [06:36] tiny has aged :) [06:37] yes,i think so [07:03] What is the maximum code length for the nano hill? [07:03] 5? [07:08] Nano Hill: Coresize 80? [07:10] Yeah [07:11] code length 5 [07:11] hillsize 80 [07:11] -hill+core [07:15] max. entry length: 4 [07:16] maybe 4 [07:20] it's 5 [07:27] ok it's 5 [07:27] :) [08:38] MSG: Quit: Leaving [08:38] Join: datagram joined #corewars [09:34] Join: brx joined #corewars [09:41] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:42] Join: brx joined #corewars [09:47] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [09:50] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:57] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:59] Join: brx joined #corewars [10:04] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:10] Join: brx joined #corewars [10:16] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:16] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [10:20] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:20] I keep thinking there's activity in here bu it's just him disconnecting :'( [10:22] Join: brx joined #corewars [10:28] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:38] Join: brx joined #corewars [10:44] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:48] Join: brx joined #corewars [10:58] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:00] Join: brx joined #corewars [11:07] what? datagram? [11:07] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [11:07] and what's wrong with brx_? [11:09] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:13] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:19] Join: brx joined #corewars [11:21] 13:08 < caesar> and what's wrong with brx_? [11:22] much wifi interference at daytime. [11:23] Heh [12:04] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [12:04] afternoon all [12:09] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:10] Join: brx joined #corewars [12:10] Hello [12:15] What is the time difference between west coast USA and europe? [12:16] it is several hours behind [12:16] about five or so, if I recall correctly [12:16] so now it is early morning [12:17] (stateside) [12:17] brx query ... [12:18] I think it is more than 5 [12:19] depends where in Europe, maybe? [12:21] Perhaps : ) [12:21] My vampire didnt turn out so good [12:21] I barely tied with the 3 very outdated programs I tested it against [12:21] 0 wins : ( [12:21] datagram http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ [12:22] vampires are tricky; what is your vamp doing? [12:22] Fancy [12:22] Well, I am still using the vampire term, but it turned more into a stunner I suppose [12:23] so it throws jmps that direct the victem to a pit? [12:23] It would just put spl 0; jmp -1 around the place and then try to coreclear [12:23] I dont like the idea of a single centralized pit [12:24] so it scans, and then bombs with stunners where it finds something? [12:24] No scanning [12:24] Just distributes those small traps about [12:24] so it just bombs with stunners? [12:24] Yeah [12:24] and then clears? [12:24] I was going to have it bomb places with vampire code so that the slaves would bomb [12:24] But that seemed bad [12:24] Yes [12:25] I was going to talk to Jens about maybe a scanner that puts a pit where it finds something [12:25] that is a sound strategy, called if I recall correctly SSD (ish) [12:25] Hopefully overwriting code and getting the evemy to fall into that single pit [12:25] stone->clear is fairly regular, and quite competitive [12:25] Why does mine suck? [12:26] it might be worth using a program called 'fcrack' to see a 'map' of where it wins, loses or ties against an enemy; if there is a pattern, it can be telling [12:26] I see [12:26] Is that for linux? [12:27] for everything, I think. [12:27] * willvarfa finds link [12:27] What do you think about the scanner/vampire [12:27] Instead of dropping bombs it can put down a pit [12:27] http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jpihlaja/cw/ [12:28] well one problem with pits is that the enemy hardly ever executes them [12:29] one idea is to lay 'tripwires' instead; bomb the core with 'mov' instructions that move the hit instruction to your clear pointer [12:30] But if you scan around for them and then put a new pit right there, wouldn't that be a bit better? [12:30] I think 1 pit is too fragile [12:30] a sort of one-shot that works by letting the enemy give away where they are, rather than examining core (which can be fooled by other peoples bombs or decoy or old code, called 'colour') [12:30] what are scanners least effective against? [12:31] A shitload of things in the core [12:36] No? [12:36] such as? and what kind of warrior(s) make them? [12:37] vampires and stones [12:37] yes? [12:37] stones and decoys and 'boot code' and stuff [12:38] Oh I know that too, but the latter two aren't warrior types [12:38] yeah sorry [12:39] Heh it's okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy [12:39] Err [12:39] Touchpad wigs out when I hit it while typing [12:40] back in a few minutes, meeting [12:49] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:51] Join: brx joined #corewars [12:52] back [12:52] Welcome back [12:54] so you were effectively a bomber? You were bombing with your 'pits' without first looking for the enemy? [12:55] which leads to wondering what kind of warriors your three test warriors were? [12:55] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:57] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:02] aeka rave and flashpaper [13:03] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:04] sidenote: no-one responded to my post at oswd.org, but this theme seems interesting: http://www.oswd.org/viewdesign.phtml?id=966&referer=%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearchstring%3Dcode%26tab%3Ddescription%26page%3D2 [13:05] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:07] The code editor or the webpage design? [13:08] the code editor is the webpage design [13:08] a webpage design that looks like a code editor [13:08] Ah [13:08] I thought you might have a corewars homepage that looked like that [13:09] possibly with a java applet of core to give the real corewars ide feel [13:09] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:10] If I were to have an active core I would ust have it randoml pick out two warriors to display the fight for when someone looked at the page [13:12] But I'm a vi warrior, so I don't know much about making things look pretty [13:13] corewars.sf.net had such an applet [13:13] * willvarfa wonders if the next 'hills' ought to be web services [13:19] What for? [13:19] Running it locally and dispatching emails is much easier on security [13:19] That's coming from my security standpoint, at least [13:20] I think it would be exactly the same as far as submitting warrior code goes [13:20] Heh [13:20] Look [13:20] Name: "bloodhunter" [13:20] Author: elkauka [13:20] Submitted: 2005-08-21 15:40:20.208707 GMT [13:20] Strategy: [13:20] hybrid vampire/scanner [13:21] cool [13:21] * willvarfa can't see how using a browser as an ide is particularly bad for security [13:21] possibly performance, but then I foresee a distributed network too ;-) [13:22] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:24] I thought you meant the server where the games are run should be a web service [13:25] yeah [13:25] just like hills actually are [13:27] But the hills aren't IDEs is what I'm saying [13:27] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [13:27] Because I don't write my code on the hill, I write it locally and then send it off [13:27] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:27] why would a webservice be a difficult thing? [13:29] Because then you introduce security in terms of submisison, connect, and all that [13:29] Just emailing code can't be harmful, because it is non executable [13:30] neither is a web service executable? [13:30] But you can do nasty tricks to poorly coded webservers to get them to run any code you want [13:30] Maybe not poorly coded [13:30] But code with any mistakes [13:31] and a script that reads in emails doesn't suffer from such holes? [13:31] * willvarfa has written a mini http server for fun [13:31] It does, but not as much [13:31] It is less complicated [13:31] * willvarfa recalls one corewarrer who actually wrote hill software wrote a proper webserver for profit! [13:32] Heh [13:32] crikey, email scripts are very very fragile imo [13:33] Hhe [13:33] What do you do for a living? [13:33] http://www.oswd.org/viewdesign.phtml?id=2283&referer=%2Fbrowse.php%3Fsort%3Ddatedesc%26page%3D6 is a nice design; not necessarily corewars-like, but quality-wise loads better than the other pages I've browsed through so far [13:35] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:35] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:36] Haha [13:36] That looks like this other corewar page caesar linked to earlier [13:37] http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.xfocus.net/releases/200308/a592.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.xfocus.net/releases/200308/a592.html%26hl%3Den%26hs%3DJre%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official [13:37] Kind of [13:37] It's all that font [13:38] What browser are you using? [13:41] firefox [13:41] but unfortunately, xfocus isn't in a language I understand [13:41] but it looks clean and tidy [13:43] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:43] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:44] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:47] time to go [13:47] * willvarfa waves [13:47] Part: willvarfa left #corewars [13:49] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:50] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:50] I need to go to bed [13:50] It is almost 7 AM! [13:55] Join: caesar joined #corewars [14:00] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:07] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:13] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:14] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:15] Join: SarG3n70 joined #corewars [14:15] hi! [14:19] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:20] MSG: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11 [14:27] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:33] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:35] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:41] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:47] Join: Jens joined #corewars [14:48] :) [14:58] Join: brx joined #corewars [15:02] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:04] Join: brx joined #corewars [15:04] :) [15:05] Hi caesar! [15:05] hi,jens [15:05] Have you already started to learn redcode ? [15:06] year,just some [15:06] :) [15:06] how're u,jens? [15:06] now i like here very much [15:07] Quite well, but I think I've got a cold :( [15:07] cold? [15:07] I'm ill [15:08] i wish for u [15:09] Thanks :) [15:11] i'm sorry,i can't expression my idea better [15:11] so sorry for that [15:12] Join: sf joined #corewars [15:12] I think, I've understood you well enough. There is no need to be sorry [15:12] Hi sf! [15:12] HI [15:12] Just added a couple of warriors to my page. [15:13] ok,jens,thx u [15:13] good night,jens and sf [15:13] caesar: bye [15:13] sf: Nano warriors? [15:13] * sf waves [15:13] Yes [15:14] Part: caesar left #corewars [15:15] I'm now working on the images for the score surface of Tiny Stone vs. TIny Blowrag. [15:15] I've got the data on Sep 21, it is time to upload it. [15:17] I wondered why there hadn't been any new ones [15:17] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:17] Probably because I can't multitask very well. [15:18] :-) [15:18] So when are you going to make some new nano warriors. [15:18] Join: brx joined #corewars [15:18] sf: Good question. Atm I cannot answer it, because it is way down my todo-list. [15:19] Congratulations by the way on Taking Over Nano IX [15:19] ?? but it was pushed off [15:20] Look at the infinite nano hill [15:21] Oh, I've forgotten that. I was so excited, that HFB does so well on 94nop, that I forgot everything else [15:25] In case someone is interested: http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/score_surfaces/tiny_stone/tiny_blowrag.en.html [15:25] I'll upload the average score surface for Tiny Stone later today [15:26] It's nearly all blue! [15:27] Well ... yes, it is stone vs. paper and the stone loses most of the time [15:27] I have to go for a hair appointment now! [15:27] * sf waves [15:27] bye [15:28] MSG: Quit: Think your current client is sexy? Check out Bersirc 2.2! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [15:46] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [15:48] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:50] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:51] Join: brx joined #corewars [15:56] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:57] Join: brx joined #corewars [16:02] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [16:05] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:07] Join: brx joined #corewars [16:08] Hi Nenad! [16:09] Hi Jens! [16:12] any new scoresurfaces? [16:13] Tiny Stone vs Tiny Blowrag [16:13] I'm now working on the average score surface for Tiny Stone. I'll soon upload it [16:14] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [16:15] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:19] Average score surface of Tiny Stone: http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/score_surfaces/tiny_stone/average.en.html [16:20] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:22] Join: brx joined #corewars [16:31] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [16:32] Hi Core29 [16:36] HI Nenad [16:40] Join: HreH joined #corewars [16:40] Nick Change: HreH changed nick to Metlcaf [16:40] Hi [16:40] Hi! [16:40] Nick Change: Metlcaf changed nick to Metcalf [16:40] hey [16:41] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:43] Looks like you've started something interesting with your post to r.g.cw Nenad. [16:43] yes. I hope so. [16:44] at the moment, I'm writing the first article for CoreExplorer [16:44] about silk engine and some basic replicators [16:44] Hi John! [16:46] and also working on my oneshot tutorial... which will be finished ... eventually [16:46] every time I write a sentence, I think of two new ones, etc. [16:46] Jens: you have the 94nop logs, right? [16:46] hehe ... I think, I know this problem, too :) [16:47] Yes, the ones from http://corewar.co.uk/logs.htm [16:48] Join: brx joined #corewars [16:48] Nenad: Why do you ask? [16:49] I was wondering if you could look into them for some warriors ... when they were submited, age ,etc. [16:49] Well ... which warriors? [16:49]