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[07:03] Kind of bored [07:09] <|caesar|> heh [07:11] <|caesar|> datagram,can u give some advice 4 boost my english [07:12] <|caesar|> i think live in a english country is a exciting thing [07:13] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [07:13] g'morning [07:15] <|caesar|> it's afternoon here:) [07:18] 9:18 am here [07:19] <|caesar|> this time is 15:18 [07:45] |caesar|, I don't really know how to help ya with that [07:45] elkauka, Hello [07:47] hi data [07:48] * elkauka is readding the rusian corewar wiki with babelfish [07:49] Heh [07:50] anybody of you guys who can speak/read russian? [07:51] <|caesar|> babefish:) [07:51] Sorry, elkauka I am from the US [07:51] <|caesar|> no,i can't read that [07:52] Give me the link [07:52] I can translate the text for you [07:52] http://wiki.corewar.org.ua [07:52] but baelfish works well [07:52] the gramma is a little freaky, but thats no problem to me [07:53] <|caesar|> it's a viki page? [07:54] Ah nevermind [07:54] elkauka, The google translator doesn't do Russian, apparently [07:54] elkauka, Is there any new info in it? [07:54] http://babelfish.altavista.com/ [07:55] <|caesar|> try the worldlingo [07:55] its like the english wiki - i'm still looking for russian hills. but links are missing [07:56] well, ok they linked koth.org and sal. seems there are no other hills [07:59] The broken english is kind of funny sometimes: # 257 times were turned to this page. [08:00] <|caesar|> http://www.online-translator.com/url/tran_url.asp?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.corewar.org.ua&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=40&psubmit2.y=7 [08:00] to translate the hill standing page into german is funny too: [08:00] vamps sind zurück 0.2 elkauka vamp-ablichten/q scan+engame überarbeitet durch das fizmo/Konstanten Re-optiMaxed [08:01] Verwischenart Scanner mit einem grossen Bündel snippets [08:01] I don't know german [08:01] * elkauka rolls on the floor laughing [08:01] <|caesar|> ....it's bad english [08:01] <|caesar|> were the german's url? [08:06] Part: |caesar| left #corewars [08:07] Join: |caesar joined #corewars [08:12] * elkauka wonders why papers are using mov boms (mov #xxx, [08:28] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [09:26] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [09:32] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [09:32] hi [09:32] There is an interesting Wikipedia which cited redcode: [09:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_esoteric_programming_languages [09:32] Hey Fizmo [09:32] Hi datagram [09:33] Heh [09:33] Brainfuck w00t [09:33] Brainfuck is...interesting [09:33] and it links to a redcode wikipedia which is actually empty [09:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=REDCODE&action=edit [09:34] would be good to fill it with some links [09:34] heh, brainfuck sounds cool [09:34] as well as Borg [09:35] I suggested that there be a central wiki that we use [09:35] I know there are wikis, but no main one, as far as I know [09:35] the good thing is that the reference points to my page ;-) [09:35] Yeah [09:37] yay, I found the corewar wiki ;-) [09:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_War [09:38] http://freebiology.org/wiki/REC.GAMES.COREWAR.FAQ is another one [09:40] The wikipedia version needs updating : ) [09:42] yes, I agree [09:42] ok, time to go now. Maybe back later [09:42] * Fizmo waves [09:43] MSG: [09:43] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [09:46] Welcome Nenad [09:46] Hi [09:46] any new warrior ideas for 94b? [09:47] Personally? No, but I have been too busy to think about it [09:47] I still want to make a vampire of some sort [09:47] did you have a look at successfull vamps? [09:47] I downloaded one, but haven't had a chance to dissect it yet [09:47] There is one that is doing well on Koth [09:48] But it isn't open source [09:48] :) [09:48] 2 vamps are back 0.2 elkauka [09:48] I'm curious, too. I'll probably try to make a good vamp next. [09:49] Heh [09:49] I never thought that it could do that well now... [09:49] I am not good enough with steps and overwriting my own code properly to make anytime amazing, I think [09:49] anything* [09:49] vamps don't do well in 94standard. vamp/scans do [09:50] I am trying to add an imp spiral to my bomber, but failing horribly [09:50] a vector launcher would be easy to add [09:51] although spl add is also easy to write [09:51] I wanted to do a nimbus spiral [09:51] Nimbus is too large [09:51] But the method which it is launched with is a normal jmp/add -launcher [09:53] heh :) nice difference between 1. and 2. at 94m now [09:54] Mizcu: how is writting a 94b report going? [09:54] *writing [09:54] Dont know what to write in it [09:55] well, analyze the situation... [09:55] what could do well now [09:56] what is rising, what is falling... [09:56] (a S/I capable of beating oneshots) [09:56] the new strong warriors... [09:56] well, not necessarily a S/I [09:56] incendiary might go well [09:57] clear/imp could beat oneshots, too [09:57] another oneshot could beat oneshots :) [09:58] but is there a way to climb high without beating oneshots much? [09:58] there is a lot to discuss [09:58] you could reason why Dragoonfly does so well [09:59] *Dragonfly [09:59] Too many papers [09:59] you could try to guess warrior types for those without ;strategy line [09:59] Me? [09:59] and so on... [09:59] no, Mizcu [10:00] but you could, too, if you like to do the report [10:00] Probably because the hill lacks any very special papers that would have scanner-resistance [10:00] (Well, with exception of Tom that i still dont understand completely) [10:00] I am submitting my warrior to 94nop [10:01] I think I can make it [10:01] yeah, Tom is WEIRD [10:01] it loses to djn.f stream [10:01] and has 200+ age out there [10:01] and beats most of the stuff... [10:02] will David Moore disclose what it was, once it dies? [10:02] Its probably Moore-style paper with something, but im not exactly sure what [10:02] dunno [10:03] it loos like it has some imps [10:03] *looks [10:03] Alright [10:03] Submitted to 94nop [10:03] it beats ThinkTwice, which is optimaxed... [10:03] I just want to knock someone off and feel special [10:03] a twoshot shouldn't lose unless there are some imps in Tom [10:04] at least not lose with 18% wins [10:04] Or a stone [10:04] Actually, Dragonfly tried to enter the multiwarrior hill and roy/me's warrior gained alot of points from that and moved up a notch (or two?) [10:04] Oh wow pwned [10:05] 21 Simon Gruber datagram 22 52 25 91.85 0 [10:05] well, you're improving [10:05] it seems that it does good against oneshots on the hill [10:05] that's why it managed to grab that many points. papers still destroy it [10:06] MSG: <|caesar> Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:07] Indeed [10:07] I did well against scanners, too [10:08] The vampire moved down to 8th because I let the papers have too many poitns [10:08] Nenad: but if Tom has imps then why it loses to djn-stream? Ordinary imps? [10:08] I feel bad now [10:08] well, maybe... [10:09] it can't have a stone... [10:09] if it is a self splitting stone, [10:09] then it could NEVER die to a djn.f stream [10:09] because of spl #step, step instruction [10:09] unless it's a very weird stone that [10:10] If Tom is a paper how is it that I beat it up? [10:10] overwrites itself if decremented [10:10] maybe a cannonade-style stone? [10:10] That would make sense [10:10] don't know how cannonade looks like... [10:10] mov.i x, y [10:10] spl -1 [10:10] add something, -2 [10:10] jmp -2 [10:10] oh :) I see [10:10] yes, that's how it could die... [10:11] although it would have to be djn.f -ed twice [10:11] jmp *-2 [10:11] @-1 [10:11] etc. [10:12] hmm... you might be right. it could be that. [10:12] though it escapes me why Moore would use that [10:12] (very very old test?) [10:12] maybe. [10:12] but Tom isn't that old on the hill [10:13] maybe he did it just for fun? [10:13] well, I have to go. I just came here shortly while attacking 94m. ... [10:13] * Nenad waves [10:13] Just to send something for b-hill, yes.. [10:14] MSG: [10:22] Join: Jens joined #corewars [10:23] :) [10:23] Hello Jens [10:24] Hi datagram! How is Simon Gruber? [10:24] He got his ass kicked repeatedly : / [10:25] Seems to be a little masochist then ;-) [10:25] Even when he was #4 on 94m, Nenad wiped the board with all his stuff [10:26] But I'm writing this paper right now, so no time to work on Simon [10:26] :( [10:27] Maybe in a few hours [10:27] (old-style paper or silk?) [10:27] I think, he meant a real paper [10:27] not a cw-paper [10:28] -_- [10:28] datagram: Right? [10:28] Yeah, a research paper on Trusted Computing [10:29] Yet another topic, I don't like [10:29] That's why I'm writing a research paper on it [10:30] Hey, no need for you to blame me you writing the paper ;-) [10:30] No, it's anti-TC [10:32] :) [10:38] ;) [10:38] I have been getting behind on my school work [10:38] So tonight and saturday night I am going to try to catch up on everything [10:43] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:56] Join: datagram joined #corewars [11:30] MSG: [11:38] Join: |caesar joined #corewars [12:07] Jens, So...what's new [12:08] Harmless Fluffy Bunny has become 100 :) [12:08] Which hill? [12:08] 94nop [12:08] http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/current.pl?hill94nop [12:11] And of course I'm still working on the Time Machine [12:29] Part: |caesar left #corewars [12:29] Join: |caesar joined #corewars [12:40] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [12:41] Hi |caesar, elkauka! [12:44] hi jens [13:10] <|caesar> hey,jens [13:10] <|caesar> nice2 see u [13:11] :) [13:12] <|caesar> tomorrow had to school [13:12] <|caesar> it's a last freedom day,i think. [13:13] university starts monday...weekend left [13:13] <|caesar> and it's got to over the day,do u know what i say [13:13] |caesar: yes, I think :) [13:14] <|caesar> no,it's a holiday at 1st oct, [13:14] <|caesar> we have 7 freedom days in that time,in our coutry [13:15] Very cool [13:15] <|caesar> country. [13:15] caesar whre are you from? [13:15] China, I believe, elkauka [13:15] <|caesar> china.year [13:16] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [13:16] hi [13:16] hi fizzer [13:16] <|caesar> hey,guys,were u frm? [13:16] sorry to see arrow has been oushed off [13:16] germany [13:17] germany [13:17] jens too [13:17] el kauka: well, time to start the next attempt for a millenium warrior [13:18] <|caesar> a millenium warrior? [13:18] fizzer try: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ and translate www.koth.org from englisch into german. you'll die laughing [13:19] warrior that reach age 1000+ [13:19] on a hill [13:19] just translate my index page and you will laugh even louder :-P [13:21] "Ich bin ein corewar Ventilator..." ??? [13:21] <|caesar> ¨¹bersetzen Sie einfach meine Indexseite und Sie lachen sogar louder:- P [13:21] <|caesar> how about this:( [13:22] http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/current.pl?hill94m [13:22] Woot [13:22] Take that nenad [13:23] Well, the word fan has different meanings, el kauka ;-) [13:24] gee, nenad has taken over the whole 94m. just like the sal beginner a few times ago... [13:25] Not anymore [13:25] I am number 10 [13:25] I forgot to put my strategy as: Win the race for last place. as I did with Simon [13:25] and simon has place #2. very well with a warrior that aged 92 on the multiwarrior hill [13:30] I think I can get another warrior on [13:30] Maybe a bit higher, too [13:33] 94m depends a lot on luck. and it even harder to keep the on the hill over age 20 [13:33] *is [13:37] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:40] Well #1 is doing so well because it is the only paper [13:41] But I submitted another warrior [13:41] Hopefully it does...okay? [13:43] http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/current.pl?hill94m [13:43] 5th [13:45] Is P Space allowed on that multiwarrior hill? [13:46] yes, but not sure if one could really take advantage of that [13:47] Maybe I will write a paper and see how it does on that hill [13:47] I feel dirty. Wanting to write a paper and such [13:55] #2 place at 94m. its quite easy with papers there [13:55] heh ;-) [13:55] I suggest this: [13:55] http://www.corewar.info/lexicon/paper.htm [13:55] i havent even choose proper constants. just a quick hack [13:57] ;redcode-94m [13:57] ;author elkauka [13:57] ;name basic silk [13:57] ;strategy quick hacked odd 3 module silk. handwritten constants [13:57] away equ 4000 ;boot distance [13:57] MSG: Excess Flood [13:57] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [13:58] i'll try again to post the source in here [13:58] ;redcode-94m [13:58] ;author elkauka [13:58] ;name basic silk [13:58] ;strategy quick hacked odd 3 module silk. handwritten constants [13:58] away equ 4000 ;boot distance [13:58] d1 equ 2200 ;paper copy constants [13:58] d2 equ 3217 [13:58] d3 equ 5666 [13:58] a1 equ 528 ;attack constants [13:58] a2 equ 8943 [13:58] a3 equ 5438 [13:58] a4 equ 8659 [13:58] a5 equ 8594 [13:58] spl 1, <333 [13:58] spl 1, <666 ;create 8 parallel processes [13:58] spl 1, <999 [13:58] mov.i boot jmp away, pOFF ;odd 3 module silk style paper [13:58] front spl @0, {d1 [13:58] mov.i }front, >front [13:58] center spl @0, mov.i }center,>center [13:58] mov.i {a1, {a2 ;two attack lines - more aggressiv? [13:58] mov.i mov.i {center,{back [13:58] back djn.f d3, ;instead a 5th attack line [13:58] pOFF dat 0, 0 [13:58] for 35 [13:58] dat 0, 0 [13:59] rof [13:59] i for 51 [13:59] dat {i, >i*2 [13:59] rof [13:59] end [13:59] ok mthats it [14:01] koth is weird about names and strategies [14:01] It mixes them up and duplicates them over other warriors [14:02] Right now my strat says "oneshot" [14:02] No, bishot [14:02] But then, haha like I just did, if you reload it displays everything correctly [14:15] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [14:15] Hi [14:15] hi nenad [14:16] Hi Nenad! [14:16] Hi Nenad [14:18] <|caesar> hay,nenad [14:18] * Nenad is going through the logs [14:18] if we get more people in here you are going to have a warm welcome ;-) [14:19] :) [14:19] Fizmo: why are there so few pspacers in 94draft optimax fsh? [14:21] it means that some brainwashing or antipspace designed pspacers won't have a good score, although they might do very well on the hill. [14:22] Nenad, *points at 94m* w00t [14:22] there are by now only a few real pspacer on the hill [14:22] well, that can easily change [14:22] any good pspacer would enter atm [14:23] because there are several oneshots there [14:23] and good pspacers eat oneshots for breakfast [14:23] If hte density of p-spacer increases I'll do an new 94draft fsh ;-) [14:23] :) [14:24] <|caesar> nenad is the admin of irc? [14:24] Nick Change: |caesar changed nick to caesar [14:24] er... no [14:24] no there are admins in here by now [14:25] haha it's cool [14:25] Goodnight, everyone. [14:25] Don't knock me off 94m too fast [14:25] goodnight [14:25] Let me feel special for a few rounds [14:26] :) [14:26] g'night,datahram [14:26] * elkauka waves [14:26] * caesar waves too... [14:27] * caesar is feel tired [14:27] again: if we are more in here, we could even start to make a laola-wave :) [14:28] bye,all [14:30] could need some help: if i want to optimize my 94m silk, should i choose pap:pws:pwi or cds:clr:scn as opponent in the 3 phase [14:30] optimize for 94m? [14:30] i expect more papers on the hill soon [14:30] or for 94nop? [14:30] 94m [14:31] well, what's it like? [14:31] your silk. [14:31] does it kill with dats? [14:31] have a look at the logs today [14:32] the constants in the published version are more or less randomly choose by me. just a quick hack [14:32] time to get a optimized version [14:33] optimize against scanners [14:33] but it might not work at all... 94m is weird [14:37] cu [14:37] bye [14:38] bye [14:38] MSG: Quit: GoodBye , My Friends... [14:38] MSG: [14:43] Jens: at least your HFB has food on the hill... [14:43] I tried a very good antibfieldimp paper today, but didn't enter, beacause there were no bfield imps on the hill [14:44] it appears that DarkImp uses both A and B field imps.. [15:27] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [15:28] The Core War Time Machine has opened its gates at http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine.en.html . Good starting points can be found at http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/index.en.html [15:28] Hi willvarfa! [15:28] hi Will [15:28] hello folks [15:28] ok, gotta leave now [15:28] * Jens waves [15:28] be back later the evening [15:28] * Fizmo waves [15:28] MSG: [15:28] * Nenad waves [15:30] I have to go... back to my optimaxing. [15:30] nice work Jens [15:30] * Nenad waves to Jens [15:30] * Nenad waves to will as well [15:30] * Jens waves back [15:30] MSG: [15:31] willvarfa: Thanks. It hope it work well, but it is still alpha [15:31] I intend to add other hills (94/94m/94x/...) soon [15:32] is it that you have data missing for earlier years, or that there really were no challenges? [15:33] I have taken all the logs, that JM has put together. He said, that for the "early" period of 94nop not very much data is available. A lot of successfull challenges are missing [15:33] You should take a look at the age of the warriors. That way you can estimate the number of missing challenges [15:34] you could list the warriors that entered or left the hills between your datapoints [15:34] whilst it isn't meaningful to cover the vast expanses, it might highlight small missing parts between your regular datapoints [15:35] is this completely datapoints because John had something on the hill at the time? [15:37] I'm already working on some things and it includes marking missing periods of time. [15:38] JM has said, that he started to regularly save the challenges beginning with Uninvited, but he also said asked for more data from other people [15:39] But most of them had already deleted the old data :( [15:39] It seems, that this part of the history is lost forever [15:40] that is a shame [15:41] Altough JM has said, that he has already done it, I plan to search trought Google Groups to find old challenges [15:41] Maybe I'm lucky [15:41] good luck [15:42] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine94nop/2005/09/17/16/02/51.en.html - One of the best moments of Core War History ;-) [15:43] :-) [15:43] search is ... different [15:48] * Jens is away for a while [15:51] * willvarfa might be back later; working on a redcode parser [15:51] MSG: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919] [16:32] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [16:37] Hi elkauka! [16:38] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [16:39] Hi willvarfa ... does your parser work now? [16:39] well I am 'porting' the proper pmars one [16:40] hi jens/ will [16:44] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:46] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [16:49] Hey, elkauka. I see, you had the same idea to take over the 94m-hill :) [16:52] yeah, but 94m is weird (as nenad puts it) [16:52] the optimaxed version scored even worse than my quick hack [16:53] Maybe someone should look at a good way to optimize for multiwarrior hills. [16:54] I've also made the experience, that optimaxing a warrior doesn't help for m-hills [16:55] maybe one should even thing of completly diffrent strategys for melee [16:55] cause most of them are simple 94/nop warriors [16:57] hehe ... look at 94m [16:57] the best score is 4 [16:57] the worst 0!! [17:00] gee! what have you done? [17:00] Cool, isn't it :) [17:00] stun paper ;-) everybody survives [17:00] selfstunning s-clear [17:00] :) [17:02] 85times 6 warriors remain after the round ended [17:02] :) [17:02] a few times ago nenad was on top with a score over 100 [17:03] 94m is weird [17:03] ! [17:03] yes, [17:03] I've sent a dat now [17:03] Let's see, what happen [17:06] Hmm ... I've decided now to include first the 94draft-hill into the CWTM and then the 94m-hill. Should be interesting [17:06] cwtm? [17:06] Core War Time Machine [17:07] are already results availeble? [17:07] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/index.en.html and http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine.en.html [17:07] Yes, but only for 94nop [17:09] It is still alpha and could have some bugs. [17:09] Does it work? [17:12] yes [17:12] here is the one i was looking for: http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine94nop/2005/09/30/16/46/35.en.html [17:13] If you're looking for anything special, I can already search for everything at home. [17:13] my first koth :) [17:13] I'll update the Time Machine in a few days [17:13] na actaully my first at 94nop [17:14] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine94nop/2005/09/17/16/02/51.en.html - The best warrior every to enter 94nop ;-) [17:14] i already had one at 94m [17:14] jens: if it reaches 3000+ you're right:) [17:14] Join: sf joined #corewars [17:14] hi sf [17:14] Hi [17:15] elkauka: 2600+ should be enough, but I'm hoping for 10000+ :))) [17:15] sf: Hi [17:15] i'm waiting for 100+ [17:16] sf: You might like http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine94nop/2005/09/25/11/45/54.en.html [17:17] sf: you had a warrior that aged over 200 on 94m. is the sourcce published? [17:17] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [17:17] hi [17:17] hi fizzer [17:18] I've updated the cw lexicon [17:18] :) [17:18] new are qscanner and scanner (rather incomplete so far) [17:18] Jens: I prefer this one http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine94nop/2003/10/16/10/54/28.en.html [17:19] actually working on imps [17:19] :) [17:20] elkauka: no it isn't published and I can't remember what it was [17:20] it could have been any of the nameless fragments of redcode I have lurking around [17:21] I think we could top this year the ageing of 2004? [17:21] Yes, HFB needs to become very fast my first +10000-warrior [17:21] it looks that 2002 and 2003 were good traffic [17:21] lol [17:22] ups, found a bug in my new html's :-/ [17:22] Have you a new site? [17:25] http://www.corewar.info/lexicon/scanner.htm [17:25] http://www.corewar.info/lexicon/qscan.htm [17:27] I recognise scanner2.htm from somewhere ;-) [17:27] Fizmo, elkauka: Look at 94m. A lot of warrior with score 0 :) [17:29] no wonder with at least three papers [17:29] MSG: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919] [17:30] sf: yes, It's John's article in CoreWarrior [17:31] I recognise the qscan articles too ;-) [17:31] It's a well written general overview [17:31] yep ;-) [17:31] Jens give me kindely the admission to use it, as well as John did [17:32] I just add a further option to the chapter 'The Switch' [17:33] what is the defect-trick [17:33] because there is a fourth option for switching to the endgame [17:33] airbag [17:34] well, that should be added as well for completeness [17:47] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:47] Join: Jens joined #corewars [18:12] MSG: Quit: What?! Open source isn't good enough for you? Bersirc 2.2 [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [18:41] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [18:41] :) [18:41] hi [18:42] Hi Nenad! [18:42] Hi all [18:43] hi nenad [18:44] multiwarrior is quite busy today :) [18:50] Nenad: Do you want to test new warriors today? [18:51] :) [18:51] not yet [18:51] I'm optimaxing some components atm. [18:51] p-warrior? [18:51] no, that stone that I told you about [18:52] it's still at the same top score... unfair... [18:52] I might even give up soon and start the warrior optimization tonight. [18:53] I'll make some pwarriors soon, though. but my wish is to try to make something Combatra-like first. [18:53] I'm sorry that Artabmoc died [18:53] will you publish it? [18:54] or keep it a secret for a little while longer? [18:56] I'll keep it secret for a little while ;-) [18:56] :) [18:57] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:58] Join: brx joined #corewars [18:59] Hi brx! [19:04] Nenad: I'm already working on adding a search engine to the Core War Time Machine. [19:04] :) [19:20] * elkauka waves [19:20] * Nenad waves [19:21] * Fizmo waves [19:21] MSG: [19:38] Join: sascha joined #corewars [19:38] Hi cw maniacs [19:38] hi sascha [19:39] Hi Sascha [19:40] Hmm, elkauka vamp is koth....nice for him...seems that his idea works [19:40] yeah, vamps are back in business :-) [19:41] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [19:41] evening all [19:41] hi Will [19:41] And the Fluffy one goes to the exit...;-) [19:41] hi will [19:46] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [19:46] Hi elkauka [19:46] back from eating :) [19:47] Congrats for koth.. [19:47] it's your first koth ? [19:47] its koth again, but thanks anyway :) [19:47] well, at 94nop yes. i had one before at 94m [19:48] hmm, i have no warrior on 94nop so i only can have a look sometimes... [19:48] its even my first warrior that aged older than 3 on 94nop [19:48] well, then it will be time to send something in [19:49] go for it..change everyting... [19:50] I meant, that it's time for you ;-) [19:51] me or him ? [19:51] me, myself or i ? [19:52] heh [19:52] you Sascha [20:00] time for me to go [20:00] * Nenad waves [20:01] * Fizmo waves [20:01] * sascha waves [20:01] MSG: [20:06] Join: HreH joined #corewars [20:06] Hi [20:06] Hi HreH [20:06] Oh! [20:06] hi hreh [20:06] Nick Change: HreH changed nick to Metcalf [20:06] * elkauka has already wonder about the nick [20:07] Oh, Stealth-John [20:07] hehe [20:07] hi John [20:08] Sorry, someone used mirc on this computer since I was last here [20:08] Jens: 94nop7.zip undated [20:08] All: nanohof.txt and 94nophof.txt updated :-) [20:09] 15 Jinx Christian Schmidt 662 Q^3 -> Scanner [20:09] 16 Arrow Christian Schmidt 650 Scanner [20:09] 17 Blade Fizmo 643 Qscan -> Scanner [20:09] hrm, pretty close lifetime of my scanner [20:10] strategy of Arrow is Q^4.5 -> Scanner [20:10] my oldest scanner was 441 :-( [20:11] Warning, 2 x Redcoder's birthdays coming up in the next 10 days! Don't miss them [20:11] smile [20:11] 22 Claw Fizmo 525 Qscan -> Scanner [20:11] that seems just a little mistake in the lifetime ;-) [20:11] Oh? [20:11] was getting 100 too young [20:12] Ah, no mistake from me compiling HoF. Mistake from players submitting wrong warriors [20:12] heh, not good enough to meet my other scanner [20:15] John can you remember the last Vamp on the hill before Vamps are back 0.2 and Dracula 2003? [20:15] or even the last vamp which was beeing koth? [20:15] should be years ago, shouldn't it? [20:16] i cant even find dracula at the time machine [20:16] Erm... Roy's and Ken Espiritu's [20:17] what was its name? [20:18] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine94nop/2003/12/04/11/22/54.en.html [20:18] Hi John! [20:19] Hi Jens [20:19] thx [20:23] There is a slight update to the infinano hill too. I searched bvowk's huge archive and picked out his Hall of Fame warriors to add [20:23] Don't worry Jens, you're still Koth! [20:24] Errr ... I'm koth? Where? [20:24] Infinano! [20:24] Oh ... I didn't notice. [20:24] Last time, I checked, I wasn't [20:24] :)))) [20:26] Metcalf: I've been VERY stupid. [20:27] You've included in your 94nop-logs only successful challenges, but [20:27] for the Time Machine I can use even unsuccessful ones (from Google Groups) to fill in the gaps [20:27] Yes, that's right. [20:28] As long as you don't do anything for which the scores are important [20:28] Why? [20:29] Because for unsuccessful challengers the score of the on-hill warriors will obviously be higher. [20:29] But I can normalize the scores!!! [20:29] So you wouldn't want those scores including if you happened to be working out an average score for a warrior or something. [20:30] Think of all the dats submitted. [20:30] so this Time Machine, is a set of html pages or is it all auto-generated from a database? [20:30] PHP+MySQL [20:30] * willvarfa is really impressed with it all [20:31] Metcalf: sf has pointed out, that I can calculate the results of each one-one-Fight from the given data!!! [20:31] Just like koth.org has now, when you click on the warrior [20:32] willvarfa: Unfortunately my provider has set some limits for updating the SQL-database. It is quite a pain to insert more than 5 MiB of data for the 94nop-hill :( [20:33] I can see how but I've never attempted to calculate it. [20:33] Joonas might had done so in the past though [20:33] It is a simple set of linear equations to solve for each data-set [20:34] After that I could show the results normalized as if a dat would have been submitted [20:34] Yes. You probably won't get 100% accuracy though, since the scores are shown rounded to the nearest whole number [20:35] Yes, you're right, but it is better than nothing, isn't it? [20:36] I'll try to do it with current data, then I can compare it to the real results. [20:37] Well you have two bits of information to calculate the score between two warriors. [20:37] First, the score when one of them enters the hill. [20:38] Second, the score after one of them leaves the hill. [20:38] and many more information [20:39] Try to think of the way the score for each warrior is calculated [20:39] It fights all warrior and the score gets summed up [20:39] *warriors [20:39] It is done for each warrior [20:40] Argh, got to try to get back on the multi-warrior hill now :-( [20:40] You have a hell of a lot of variables, but it is just a set of linear equations [20:40] And I hope it to be enough to calculate each variable [20:40] It should be [20:40] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:40] I think so, but haven't checked yet [20:41] Aha, Nenad is the guilty party (multi-warrior hill) [20:41] You should have been here some challenges ago. Most warriors on 94m had a score of 0 !!! ZERO! [20:43] Join: brx joined #corewars [20:48] I can't get on the multi-warrior hill :-( [20:48] I'm going to have to send one of my old warriors :-( [20:48] (tweaked of course) [20:58] If anyone finds bugs/problems for the Time Machine or has ideas/suggestions, please email [20:58] :) [21:00] Links to Koenigstuhl for published warriors? ;-) [21:01] Quite difficult, because how to decide which of the versions of the warrior is the right one [21:05] Metcalf: Do you somewhere have all the weekly reports, that koth.org sends to r.g.c? [21:08] No :-( [21:08] OK, then I copy them from Google [21:09] Joonas has some r.g.cw archives on his page [21:09] Maybe they are from the right time [21:09] Good idea [21:09] I've already copied all r.g.c. archives to my email-program [21:10] Stupid me ... who needs Google, if Thunderbird is there :)) [21:11] has anyone watched Star Wreck? [21:11] Did anybody have problems with IE and the Time Machine. I haven't tested it sofar [21:11] Firefox works fine [21:12] willvarfa: I'm still downloading it [21:12] willvarfa: with 64 kbit/sec :( [21:12] hmm, I've been waiting days for Knoppix [21:12] will get onto star wreck after that [21:12] I could email it to you ;-) [21:12] lol [21:13] It would take me a day to send the email ;-) [21:13] bbiab [21:14] It looked fine to me in IE Jens [21:15] I wasn't sure, because I've used some CSS, I know IE has problems with [21:15] Okay, I'm temporarily back on the 94m hill, time to go :-( [21:15] * Jens waves [21:15] I have to get up in 5 hours! [21:15] * Metcalf waves [21:16] * elkauka waves [21:16] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [21:19] MSG: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919] [21:20] * Fizmo waves far too late :-/ [21:26] I got to age 7 on 94m [21:26] That's my new record [21:26] :) [21:29] The hill is really evenly scored now though [21:29] Highest is 9 pts [21:29] You can get very strange results for 94m [21:30] Well now it is actually pretty balanced I think [21:30] There's 4 papers, 2 oneshots, and 3 dclears [21:30] So a good combination of all 3 strategies [21:31] And kingdom of the grasshoper lives on [21:31] Age 100 [22:16] * Jens waves [22:16] Part: Jens left #corewars [22:18] MSG: [22:29] MSG: Quit: humhum [22:29] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [22:52] * Fizmo waves [22:52] MSG: [22:52] * sascha waves too [22:52] Part: sascha left #corewars [23:20] Join: datagram_ joined #corewars [23:21] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:22] Nick Change: datagram_ changed nick to datagram [23:50] MSG: Quit: humhum