[01:21] Join: bvowk joined #corewars [01:21] fsck! [01:21] sorry about nano guys.. [01:21] ned ran outta inodes and started doing stupid things [01:22] I thought I'd fixed all those when I got a double submit before... [01:22] I'll keep it turned off until I figure out how to fix that [02:23] MSG: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+ssfe [04:26] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [04:48] Join: |caesar joined #corewars [05:02] <|caesar> today 's a bad day for me [05:17] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [06:12] MSG: <|caesar> Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:11] MSG: [09:31] Join: |caesar joined #corewars [09:44] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [10:49] <|caesar> hi,elkauka [10:49] <|caesar> it's evening here:-) [10:51] nearly 1pm here [10:52] <|caesar> how about 94nop? [10:52] <|caesar> and were r i can find the code by u? [10:52] <|caesar> i want try some corewar's redcode now [10:56] you can find alot of source code for 94nop here: http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/94/hill_rec.html [10:59] <|caesar> ok,how can i know which one is by elkauka? [11:01] watch the author colum [11:02] place 303 is one ffrom me [11:03] <|caesar> i download the corewar2(windows program). so i just need push 2 file in it,then see the war? [11:03] <|caesar> is that? [11:03] right [11:04] <|caesar> but...no one of the redcode can be the king of hill long time,why that? [11:06] there ne "ultimate warrior" yet which can beate all the diffrent strategy well [11:06] *no [11:06] do you know the game: scissor/stone/paper ? [11:07] <|caesar> yes.it's easy [11:07] ok. [11:07] corewarriors behave in the same way [11:07] <|caesar> but not win again and again:) [11:07] scanner beat replicators(paper) [11:07] replicators beat bomber(stone) [11:08] bomber beat scanner(scissor) [11:08] if there are loads of paper on the hill you stone isnt going to last very long ;) [11:08] <|caesar> as scanner,how to defining it? [11:09] <|caesar> i think i make a wrong that the redcode like the asm program:( [11:10] <|caesar> so,it's just a game use the redcode [11:10] well, its i a way like asm [11:10] there are slighly diffrences.. [11:10] like relativ addressing [11:10] you got the point :) [11:11] <|caesar> how long u play it and have fun,elk? [11:11] since the end of 2002 [11:12] <|caesar> what's u doning when u r a benginning? [11:12] <|caesar> *begining [11:12] read a lot of tutorials and have a try at the beginner hill [11:12] http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/hill.php?key=94b [11:13] <|caesar> Beginners' hill status report after challenger # 468 "Simon Gruber" by "datagram" :)) [11:14] <|caesar> ok,i try to read it [11:14] ok, time to eat something [11:14] bbl [11:14] MSG: [11:16] <|caesar> :) [11:16] Nick Change: |caesar changed nick to caesar [12:00] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [12:00] back again [12:12] Join: Jens joined #corewars [12:12] :) [12:12] hi,jens [12:13] hi jens [12:13] :) [12:18] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [12:18] hi miz [12:18] hi kauka [12:19] Hi Mizcu! [12:19] hi mizcu:) [12:19] hi Jens, caesar [12:50] MSG: [13:01] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [13:01] Hi [13:01] Hi Nenad! [13:02] hello nenad [13:02] Jens: it seems that I won the bet yesterday [13:03] and your warrior survived for several challenges. [13:03] Nenad: Yes, you were right. Happy Fluffiness became 4th. [13:04] I'm quite content with that. It was my first RF :) [13:04] ... it was 4th only because of its name. It would've won otherwise [13:04] :) [13:04] hehe [13:05] I've decided to work on some s/i's now... I started it few days ago and it's going well so far. [13:05] I'm still working on the Time Machine. [13:06] CaB is strong on both hills, Lavos has the highest s/i optimax score so far, some new s/i's are in progress... [13:06] yes, Time machine will be very nice when it is given some extra features [13:07] I hope, that you will push off Larger Than Infinity. It hurts HFB quite a lot :( [13:07] why do you think that my warrior won't hurt HFB even more? [13:07] I'm not that bad against s/i [13:08] err .. HFB is not that bad ;-) [13:08] I am in a process of making a oneshot tutorial, remember? that means that I'll probably be making lots of oneshots soon for hill testing [13:08] and I don't intend to send these s/i to the hill right away [13:08] Yeah, more hill aging [13:08] What is the current score of your s/i? [13:08] I could've sent Lavos, but it feeds HFB, so I didn't leave it there... [13:09] optimax(Lavos) = 150 [13:10] Give Lavos a try on 94nop. I want to have my very first +10000-warrior, remember? [13:10] btw, C.Birk is finally back and is running Koenigstuhl fights for WaterDragon :) I hope that there'll be some results today [13:10] Jens: I did [13:10] it did very well against everything but HFB [13:10] because it uses Aimps [13:10] :) [13:10] so I ;kill -ed it [13:10] and will resubmit later [13:11] Yes, now I have found it in the logs [13:12] HFB is a good paper. it scores similar to npaperII [13:12] but better :) [13:12] I guess that you would like it to live that long as well :) [13:13] I have taken npaperII and added a q^4.5 and reoptimaxed it, but HFB was better [13:13] well, it is vulnerable to clr and scn [13:14] Why not have HFB live that long? It would be my first +1000-warrior then ;-) [13:14] :) [13:15] I think that there won't be any 1000+ warriors in the future [13:15] or even close to those [13:15] because of optimax [13:15] I would say, that Arrow with 650 was quite close [13:15] most of the hill submissions these days are really strong warriors [13:17] in time, every warrior reveals its weakness [13:17] and others can exploit it [13:18] there is a problem with HFB, too [13:18] it is TOO strong against Afield imps [13:18] so people will send only Bfield imps to the hill... [13:18] Yes, but the question is, whether there will be enough warriors, that do that, on the hill. Look at the scores of HullabaTwo against fsh. It has only one weakness [13:18] and it won't get its food [13:19] HullabaTwo has several weaknesses [13:19] err .. Hullaballoo [13:19] so does Hullabaloo :) [13:19] OK, but will there be enought warriors on the hill to push it off [13:20] Hey, I have an idea [13:20] btw, I think that the best warriors are those that have lot of potential food, but don't feed much on any particular warrior, because if they do, they will eventually cause it to be pushed off, and that's not the point. You want your food ON the hill [13:21] idea? [13:21] Why not make a page, where you can bet on the age, that a warrior will reach. [13:21] because you can "contribute" to its age both ways... [13:21] Depending on when you've submitted your bet and how close you were, you will get points [13:23] What Do you think about that? [13:23] well, ... [13:24] you can always age the hill with weak warriors [13:24] or submit the enemies of the warrior in question [13:25] so, it would not be a fair bet [13:25] Yes, but that isn't done that much [13:25] but... [13:25] if, let's say, someone announces a warrior [13:25] and we bet on the score on 94nop at its submission [13:25] ok [13:25] that's something different [13:26] of course, the one who is making it isn't allowed to bet [13:27] I was wondering... is there a way to "subscribe" to a particular hill even if you don't have warriors there? [13:27] there should be [13:27] Yes, for archiving the results, it would wonderful. [13:27] in that case, we could @kill our warriors at 94b, because we could monitor it anyway [13:28] But you can already monitor SAL, it has its own history [13:28] yes, but not via email [13:28] right [13:29] of course, no one is going to subscribe to nano... [13:29] :) [13:29] too many submissions there [13:31] what did you use to make HFB? your scripts or optimax? [13:32] both [13:32] so, what was its score? [13:32] against fsh94nop 0.2: 143.72 (W 32.84, T 45.18, L 21.97) [13:33] that is very good for a paper [13:33] That is why I've submitted it :) [13:33] my best paper was 140,41 [13:34] also antiAimp [13:34] CoreRW [13:35] heh. it seems that I'll have to try to make some better papers, too, soon [13:35] :) [13:36] As long as use such names as "CoreRW", you scores won't improve ;-) [13:36] *your [13:36] well, that's why I've started making a list of future warrior names [13:36] :) [13:37] Can you give some examples? To estimate the score of your warriors? [13:37] so you can take them for your warriors? :) [13:37] Won't do that [13:38] well, that's one of the reasons why I think we need to make a list of exostong names [13:38] to avoid repetition [13:38] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:38] *existing [13:39] hi brx [13:39] hi nenad [13:39] Hi brx [13:39] Jens: make a "good name generator" and you'll get rich [13:39] Nenad: You will soon have the possibility to search the logs for names [13:39] add a bunch of good words for warrior names and combine them in random to get the names [13:39] or something like that [13:40] How about "Vain's son" ;-) [13:40] or "The Brother of the Sister of Vain" ;-) [13:40] or Vain's grandmother [13:41] "Vain's unwanted child" [13:41] The Sun Of Vain [13:41] lol [13:41] Zen of Vain [13:42] Sin Of Vain [13:43] well, we can start translating names to our own languages :) [13:44] with babelfish and then retranslate them to English ;-) [13:44] that would produce some interesting results... [13:45] Son of Vain -> Sohn von nichtigem (German) -> Son of Futile [13:45] try with chineese [13:46] heh,chinese? [13:46] yes [13:46] for what? [13:46] oh. we're just playing with some automatic translation tools and warrior names [13:47] to see what it'll produce [13:47] ok,if u need chinese help,i can do that;p [13:48] Son of Vain -> Son is proud [13:48] :) [13:48] I've left out the Chinese translation [13:48] MSG: [13:50] i think chinese is a easy lang. that english [13:50] caesar: I think that depends on the point of view. [13:50] Jens: here is for Korean: Hus it became the son [13:51] caesar: probably you're right. but we've never had an opportunity to hear it [13:51] I think that writing must be hard, though [13:52] and im 17 years old now,i want use english better in 1 years. [13:52] you will. english is one of the easiest languages [13:52] Nenad: No, I think they use similar means of writing as we do ;-) [13:52] Jens: :) [13:52] How about Esperanto? [13:53] well, almost every language is said to be easier than german. lol [13:53] Hmm ... at least it has a lot of exceptions from its rules [13:53] Aber ich glaube es ist nicht so schwer. [13:54] well, lots of grammar [13:54] yes, I've never learned it ;-) [13:54] :) [13:54] how about grammar? [13:55] english grammar? [13:55] German! [13:55] you can learn the entire english grammar in one day [13:55] and forget it even more easily [13:55] Mark Twen said that chinese is easier than german [13:56] i dont want leran the grammay:) [13:56] Well, Mark Twain is dead, so he no longer counts ;-) [13:56] i hate it,it's insipid [13:56] caesar: What? [13:56] Grammer? [13:57] year. [13:57] our english teacher teach it everyday:( [13:57] After a while it is quite a lot of fun :) [13:58] so u r use german to chat with ur friend and family? [13:58] But learning languages has always been fun to me. [13:58] yes,chinese is so easier:) [13:59] caesar: What shouldn't I use German when talking to my friends? [14:00] I'm from Germany and it happens from time to time, that this language is used there ;-) [14:00] what's name of germany top site? [14:01] Jens: Ich werde warscheinlich versuchen einen Sprachkurs in Deutschland am nachstes Sommer zu besuchen. Villeicht wir ich wurde dann nach Berlin fahren und mit dich und Fizmo treffen? [14:01] MSG: Quit: leaving [14:01] *I made some typos again... have to sleep more [14:02] Nenad: Why not, but you should tell give us time to prepare for your invasion ;-) [14:02] *tell give -> give [14:02] ......i see a word "Berlin am in" i can understand that:( [14:03] Where did you find it, caesar? [14:03] the nenad sayed [14:04] *saied [14:04] well, no wonder... that's german [14:04] btw, it's "said" [14:04] caesar: It was German, he said, that might want to come to Germany to improve his German [14:05] *might ->he might [14:05] Nenad: Can you type German umlauts? [14:05] no [14:05] not on this computer [14:05] That's a pity. Most people are always excited when they see them [14:06] I've never understood why [14:06] :) [14:08] i rember i have learn a re [14:09] I don't think IRC would allow them through, anyways [14:09] ä ö ü [14:09] *re -> text called "La Dernireclasse" [14:09] datagram: Did you see them? [14:09] that's chinese char? jens [14:09] No [14:09] Just a blank line [14:09] hehehe... [14:09] caesar: No, German umlauts [14:09] Jens: look at this: [14:09] ...but is chinese char here:( [14:09] Machines will rule -> You control the machine [14:10] Nenad: lol [14:10] japanese in the middle [14:10] that's read "man mei mei"? [14:10] I am going to bed [14:10] Goodnight, folks. [14:10] bye, datagram [14:10] -in chinese spell:) [14:10] * Jens waves and wished good dreams [14:10] *wishes [14:10] bye,datagram [14:11] caesar: Why do you have to learn a French text? Or are you learning both languages - English and French? [14:11] no. [14:11] but both some japan lang. [14:12] it's so hard for me to write the japan char:( [14:14] what's the word "de"'s meaning in germen? [14:14] In which context? [14:16] "lettres de mon moulin" the long word [14:18] This French "de" wouldn't be translated with at word for itself, but you would use a little bit of grammar. [14:20] By the way, what does that mean. I can only translate it as "letters of my mill", which doesn't make sense. [14:21] :)i can understand that [14:21] or is it some kind of idiom? [14:22] year,it's called "chengyu" in chinese [14:22] hehe ... that doesn't help much. Do you have an english translation? [14:23] it's likely the phrase in englsh:) [14:23] jens did see some book by chinese author? [14:23] ?? [14:24] and can u recommend some german book for me? [14:25] For learning German? [14:25] or a book by german author? [14:25] yes,the nenad said [14:26] if it's the latter, then: Graph Theory by Reinhard Diestel [14:26] (if he's german) [14:26] and if you like math [14:26] hehe ... I have that at home, too, Nenad :)) [14:26] :) [14:27] i dont have some german grammer book and grman dictionary.so i cant read that text by german [14:27] well, that book is in english [14:27] caesar: Unfortunately I cannot recommend any German book, but I cannot remember, when it was the last time, I've read one [14:27] Graph Theory? [14:28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory [14:28] yes,i know that;) [14:28] Jens: btw, do you know of some good math site in german? [14:29] Any special topic? [14:29] well, no special topics [14:29] No, mostly I've used the library [14:29] but if there is a site with lots of links to other good sites and archives, it would be very helpful [14:30] :( [14:30] well, I can't purchase any mathematische Bucher auf deutsch here, so... [14:30] But for the basic topics like differential equations, algebra (group theory, ...) you'll find lots of german texts with Google [14:30] i want collection that,nenad [14:31] ? [14:31] the Graph Theory? [14:31] some good math site in german [14:32] Nenad: Try http://www.lob.de [14:32] Jens: I've got an idea... mayve the "main" corewar page should have its main part and links part written in many languages [14:32] *maybe [14:33] so people from various countries wouldn't have any trouble in finding what they want, even if they don't know english [14:33] Do you mean translations for koth.org? [14:34] perhaps we should all translate some parts of corewar.info and koth.org [14:34] quite a lot of work, especially for corewar.info [14:34] well, not the whole site [14:34] A better start would be to translate the Wikipedia entry for corewar [14:34] the main page and all the links pages [14:34] wikipedia article? [14:35] well, that's also a good idea [14:35] we should first update it in english, too [14:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corewar [14:35] yes, I know [14:35] The English version is quite good, but the other versions generally aren't [14:36] I must go now. I'm back in about 2 hours [14:36] * Jens waves [14:36] Part: Jens left #corewars [14:36] * Nenad waves to Jens [14:37] I have to go, too. [14:37] MSG: [14:37] i got to go sleep now:) [14:37] bye. all [14:40] Part: caesar left #corewars [15:43] Join: Roy joined #corewars [15:43] Hi all [15:43] * Roy has done some translation-fun (multibabel) his self: [15:44] Nenad+my new warrior was called: Fantastic failure, but it becomes: [15:44] Unexpected defeat [15:44] Brilliant flaw [15:44] Splendid fault [15:46] the fantastic refusal [15:46] Annular refusal [15:47] Denial of annulation [15:48] Negation of cancellation [15:49] Cancellation resists [15:51] Cancels the electric capacity [15:51] If the electric faculty cancels [15:52] If the audiovisual education staff member cancels [15:52] (I'm getting the feeling this could go on for some time) [15:53] Cancellation of the audiovisual member of the team of civil servants of the instruction [15:57] Join: bvowk joined #corewars [15:57] hrm [15:58] hi bvowk [15:59] Ok, the last one (started out with two words!!) [15:59] The team which looks at the lapse of the member of the government employee of the indication and the hearing [15:59] The name of the warrior exploded :-) [15:59] hey roy. [16:00] no, my score cache filled up all the inodes on the box... [16:00] and then it failed in a really crazy way.. so it kept trying to run, failed, submitted.. [16:00] :( [16:01] I'm playing with reproducing the problem so I can make sure it doesn't do it again [16:01] the sad thing is, it really pounded my own warriors doing that :( [16:01] * Roy was talking about my monolog [16:02] Too bad, I hate it when I can't find bugs :-( [16:02] oh :) [16:02] Two school assignments I have here should work, several people looked at it, and both have a bug.. I can solve one I think [16:03] sorry, I'm still feeling a little bad for wiping all that hill by accident :( [16:03] But the other is almost two months old now, its my 'evolver' [16:03] Heh that sort of thing happens... I do it at a much more crutial hill sometimes by accident ;-) [16:04] at > somethimes [16:04] gotta go, dinner!! [16:04] MSG: [16:11] hrm [16:11] anyone else about? [16:20] Join: brx joined #corewars [16:20] ack! [16:20] its you. [16:21] bleh. barkley. [16:21] MSG: Client Quit [16:23] heh [16:32] Join: Roy joined #corewars [16:32] its me again [16:33] greets roy [16:36] Join: Jens joined #corewars [16:36] :) [16:36] so, the Five Musketeers is back from its crypt, nice :) [16:36] hi Jens [16:37] hey jens [16:37] thanks for the email [16:37] Oh, it was JM, who noticed it. [16:37] I only had your email address at hand. [16:39] hmm ... I thought, that I could publish a new version of the Time Machine now, but then I've encountered a little nasty bug [16:39] Unfortunately I don't know, where to find it [16:40] What do you all think about Nenad's idea to translate some important cw-pages into as many languages as possible? [16:43] * Roy thinks its a good idea, although translating to dutch won't matter much [16:43] Everybody I know is very good in english and googles/read everything on the internet in english, much more information to find [16:46] Join: Metcalf joined #corewars [16:46] Hi [16:46] hi jm [16:46] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [16:46] Hi El Kauka [16:46] Hi John, elkauka! [16:46] hiho [16:47] Anything new? [16:47] Anybody in for the usual change-the-nick-game? [16:47] hey! [16:47] everyones in. [16:47] Nick Change: Roy changed nick to Nenad [16:47] Hi Bvowk [16:47] Nick Change: Jens changed nick to caesar [16:47] Nick Change: Nenad changed nick to Jens [16:47] Nick Change: caesar changed nick to Roy [16:47] I believe it is you today. [16:47] Nick Change: Jens changed nick to brx [16:47] no submissions to the 94nop today? [16:47] You seem to have stopped you out of control evolver! [16:47] Nick Change: Roy changed nick to Jens [16:47] yes.. [16:47] Nick Change: brx changed nick to Roy [16:47] sorry about that met. [16:48] No submissions yet no [16:48] I ran it out of inodes and the whole thing exploded. [16:48] I don't think it caused any problems :-) [16:48] Zul might disagree though! [16:49] If it had carried on it would have only pushed off copies of itself [16:49] yeah.. [16:49] Metcalf: Did the building collapse? [16:49] still.. wiped quite a bit of the hill and really hurt my warriors :( [16:49] they were in the top half, and now they're hosed ( [16:49] :( [16:50] bvowk: In case it happens again, who to contact? You or Joonas? [16:50] Jens: roof collapse and some of the walls. [16:50]