[03:56] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [03:59] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:02] Join: brx joined #corewars [04:02] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:25] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [06:51] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [08:56] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [09:03] Join: caesar joined #corewars [09:21] Join: Jens joined #corewars [09:21] Yippie!! [09:21] I've just got an email from A. K. Dewdney [09:22] :-) [09:32] Join: Roy joined #corewars [09:32] hi all [09:32] Hi Roy! [09:32] Jens: What did he write? :-) [09:33] hi,who's "A. K. Dewdney"Јї [09:33] John and I have been talking for a while to make some kind of an archive for the history of Core War. [09:33] Ah, for the website, cool [09:33] And I've asked, whether it is possible to include his texts [09:34] http://corewar.co.uk/whoswho.htm [09:34] And he said: YES :)) [09:35] Nenad: Getting a fund for it might be almost impossible, you almost certainly need to be a organization to get it :-( [09:36] (thats what my dad says anyway) but I found something else that might be intresting [09:36] ok, I'm away for a while, bbl [09:47] caesar: A. K. Dewdney has created Core War. [10:01] cool... [10:23] Roy: ... then found a organization? ;) [10:23] Heh, that is probebly not as easy as it sounds [10:25] Also, to get a good fund "corewar" isn't the best subject, we should discuss things like "Nano technology" or "Ethics" or "Cloning" or "The enviroment" [10:26] hm ... sounds at first quite unrelated ;) [10:27] The Ethics of Corewar, The Cloning of papers, The enviroment..8k [10:28] ... :) [10:30] why should it be difficult to found at least something like "international corewar "? [10:32] btw. you forgot "Datamining- and Searchtechnology" :P [10:33] How about "The Ethics of Cloning Papers about Datamining and Searchtech"? [10:33] Then we'll get rich, again... its all in the name ;) [10:35] dob: undisclosed [10:35] soso [10:35] Where do you actualy found a international organization :-S [10:36] hmhm [10:36] dunno? [10:36] me neither, and how much does it cost :) [10:37] Heh, while googling: [10:37] "Croatian gays and lesbians found an organization"....ggrrr, if even they can do it! [10:37] http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&c2coff=1&q=how+to+found+a+international+association&spell=1 [10:37] doesn't help :/ [10:38] nope [10:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_organization [10:40] non-government organisation [10:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-governmental_organization [10:42] NGO [10:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_voluntary_organization [10:43] that always sound related to something like "development aid org." etc. [10:44] Yeah.. maybe we should just find a good example, and then ask how they did it:) [10:47] like the ... FIFA? :P [10:47] Err... no, like something smaller [10:49] We already have/had the International Core War Society... [10:50] have? [10:50] so where's the problem? :) [10:50] from the wiki: The ICWS is currently defunct. [10:56] bbl [10:57] who had founded it? [10:57] http://corewar.co.uk/history.htm [11:12] hm [11:14] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:28] maybe we should revive it [11:30] Why? [11:31] why not? [11:31] I mean, what should be its task. [11:32] It is no longer necessary to have a "central organ" to keep the cw-community together. [11:33] not yet, you mean? [11:33] (perhaps never) [11:34] If the internet with its possibilities isn't enough to keep a cw-community together, why should then a new ICWS can? [11:35] hmhm [12:05] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [12:05] Hi [12:05] Hi Nenad! [12:07] heh. this is the first day after two weeks that I hadn't run optimax... :) [12:07] hi.nenad:) [12:08] Jens: what do you think about Roy's suggestion for 2006 meeting? [12:08] will you attend? [12:08] Interesting, but no [12:08] well, probably no [12:08] :( [12:09] Jens: why? [12:09] time [12:09] you study, don't you? [12:09] heh,it's great meeting:) [12:10] MSG: Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ [12:10] weg [12:11] fiveop: where are you from (I mighjt have asked this before, but I don't remember) [12:11] *might [12:19] Join: Jens joined #corewars [12:20] :) [12:21] i download a german magazine<> [12:22] i try to learn some german lang. [12:22] caesar: As far as I know, learning English should be easier [12:24] maybe that,but i like german too [12:27] Join: Roy joined #corewars [12:27] * Roy is back [12:27] Hi Roy! [12:28] hi, still trying scanner stuff :) [12:28] :) [12:32] hmm, I just made some apple-banana-walnut beignets! [12:33] MSG: [12:34] I might still be able to get some money from this city [12:34] (for the ICC2006) [12:34] that would be nice [12:35] Max 3.500 euro, should be more then enough if we get it ;-) [12:35] I also already arranged a beamer, that was the smallest problem [12:36] And I set my eyes on a very nice complex to hold it, its in Delft (from the porcelein) and its a historic building next to a castle-tower [12:36] Easy to get to as well, and very pretty and cultury, and cheap :) [12:36] :) [12:40] well, I guess that all that remains is to see how many people are interested... [12:41] And actually getting the money :) maybe some of you might hold a lecture, and I even get some money to invite you (??) just brainstorming [12:42] :) that is a nice idea [12:43] we could also try to find some actual sponsors for the meeting -some more-than-healthy-rich company from the world of technique or software engineering [12:43] I'll say like: "We HAVE to invite dr. Nenad, he is the expert in the found of oneshots, he must hold a lecture about it!" [12:44] Nenad: I was already thinking about that, for example the company that organized Gridwars (they have money to spend, they hold a little contest and gave away mainframes and free t-shirts) [12:44] Parallel processing has something to do with corewars (a little..) [12:44] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [12:44] yes. we must make some TShirts for the meeting, too :) [12:44] Heh ssssst, that was my gift surprise :( [12:45] tshirts....cool [12:46] hey,roys, when the meetting end,could send me some pic about the meetting [12:47] Yes, I'll make a website with pictures [12:47] But not so fast, its now all just a proposal/idea, have to work things out [12:47] :) thx [12:56] we should be finishing the CoreExplorer, btw [12:56] Mizcu: did you make that report? [12:56] or should we take over? [12:57] Join: brx joined #corewars [12:57] yeah.. [12:57] hello [12:57] hi roy. [12:58] hi brx [13:01] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [13:01] hi elkauka [13:01] Mizcu: 2ndgig 25 [13:01] brx: from LMF? [13:01] there are 25 and 26 RAW.. [13:01] hi@all [13:01] Mizcu: yes [13:01] Mizcu: lmf [13:01] gotta dl tomorrow [13:03] Hi elkauka, brx, Mizcu! [13:03] Hi Jens/elkauka/brx/Mizcu/Nenad! :) [13:03] hehe [13:03] hi everyone [13:04] It might become an interesting problem to greet everyone, when #corewars is moore crowded [13:04] hopefully, it will be more crowded soon [13:04] I mean apart from a "lame": Hi all [13:04] it's not lame. it's lazy. [13:05] well, just make a list of all corewar players and copy/paste it into the greeting [13:05] if someone's not there, who cares :) [13:05] Or get an script for your irc-client.. [13:05] * brx writes a perl script for that [13:06] Mizcu: I'd be writing that script. yes. but you are right. I will not touch perl without a better reason [13:06] brx: How about writing a perl script, that notified #corewars, when a new warrior enters a hill [13:06] Now you have a better reason ;-) [13:07] Jens: that's a nice idea [13:08] http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~mtr/roy/ICC2006/ [13:08] I like the png roy. [13:08] made it yourself? :) [13:09] One of my abstract drawings ;) [13:09] Also notice how Holland is 3x the size it normally is :) [13:10] Where is Luxembourg? [13:10] some questions. why/how should something like the icc be funded or sponsored? [13:11] where is lichtenstein? [13:11] Because we exchange information and hold lectures, education can be sponsored [13:11] Vatican! [13:11] lichtenstein/vatican/monaco/luxenbourg just dissapeared ok? :P [13:11] Who has invaded them? [13:12] Amerika [13:12] their landmass has been sucked up by Holland [13:12] Shouldn't you include them the front-lines, too? [13:12] Roy: I am sure that depends on the number of people attending too. [13:12] Everything is owned by the US, those are just state-lines [13:13] brx: Yes it might, no idea, I never looked at anything like that...until yesterday morning [13:14] Thankfully i've removed HOI from this computer, i just got a hankering to start conquering Luxemburg w/ Netherlands.. [13:14] Roy: By the way, how is that red-white-darkblue country called? And why is it red, white and darkblues? [13:14] Roy: Is its name ICC2006? [13:14] it might be possible to look for similar events and approach the organizers if they'd be interested in funding and harboring the icc [13:14] Roy: Funny name, I think :) [13:14] darkblue is Holland/The Netherlands, the red/white/lightblue is luxenbourg [13:15] ICC2004 was Fizmo's meeting, so naturally this is ICC2006 [13:15] Roy: No, no, I meant: Is this country called ICC2006? [13:16] Ohw hmm yes! :) [13:16] Its my new country' [13:16] hehe [13:16] If you own a country, why not give us all a free ride to ICC2006? [13:17] You should have the money then [13:17] Err.. no import money from now! [13:17] (the trip TO ICC2006 isnt free..) [13:18] I already got one sponsor btw, RIAGG Rijnmond (they treat crazy people) will lend me their beamer :) [13:19] wow :) [13:20] Its a start ;-) [13:21] see above. while it might be impossible to get a funding for a separate event like the icc with only a small number of attendees [13:21] it might work out to ask the organizers of some other related event to harbor the icc [13:21] I am not sure though. [13:22] It might, that could be plan B. First I want to try and made a event myself [13:23] of course [13:23] With a professional look, and maybe invite other fields of the ICT to the lectures too [13:23] never argued otherwise :) [13:23] ict? [13:23] IT == ICT [13:23] * brx nods [13:24] Thats why I mailed Engineered Intelligence, they spend a lot of money making parallel computing more widely known [13:25] This is a very cool location http://www.kruithuis.nl (found the URL! YAY) [13:25] 9,55 euro per night per person [13:41] looks good [13:58] Join: datagram joined #corewars [14:16] Nenad, Roy: Preliminary Congrats for almost being koth :) [14:17] Very good result! I love it [14:21] Nenad, Roy: quite close [14:21] :) [14:21] Well, if Larger then Inf is pushed off we'll drop a bit [14:22] What is the zooom trick? [14:23] a speed trick in cds scanners [14:23] See the scanner Zooom (by John Metcalf) [14:24] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [14:24] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:24] Normal clear-directed-scanners clear the core while scanning, this makes them slower [14:24] datagram: http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/94/HILL/zooom.red [14:24] Zooom starts clearing the first time it finds something (not from the start like most CDS do) [14:25] yes, zooom is really nice... various mechanisms have been developed to speed up scanners - look at Stalker, too (or Via Nocturna) [14:25] Or Lux, with the smallest and fastest so far ;-) [14:28] lux? [14:28] Our new warrior, see the hill ;-) [14:28] hill? [14:28] ;-) [14:29] :) [14:35] *bling* [14:35] another useless weird idea [14:39] * elkauka waves [14:39] bbl [14:39] * Nenad waves [14:39] Part: elkauka left #corewars [14:40] Goodnight [14:41] bye [14:41] brx [14:41] fiveop [14:42] Nenad: I'm from Ilmenau/Germany [14:43] I guesseg you were from Germany (since you said "weg" after Jens left) [14:43] *guessed [14:43] but wasn't sure... [14:44] you could've been from Osterreich... :) [14:45] Nenad: me and fiveop used to have the same ip. [14:46] hmm.. this seems promising.. 127 wilfiz without qscan or boot [14:49] Nice, paper? [14:49] Stone/imp [14:50] But there's a catch in its score [14:50] hm [14:50] (that i wont reveal until it hits 'nop, or i give up) [14:51] lectures at icc2006 ... perhaps i've heard enough at university to talk about some interessting math topic (If there's anything you don't know, that I can provide ...) [14:53] it is time to improve corewar math a little bit [14:53] what? [14:53] well, to analyze steps with a little more math... [14:53] and not that much bruteforce [14:55] hasn't that been done before? [14:55] there is a paper floating around [14:56] cwmath? [14:56] it isn't finished [14:56] some chapters are missing [14:56] and there could be more chapters, of course [14:56] Part: caesar left #corewars [15:07] fiveop: ham is in #haskell [15:20] Part: Jens left #corewars [15:22] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:25] Join: johnkw joined #corewars [15:25] happy microsoft sploitpak day [15:26] :P [15:26] heh, hi jkw [15:26] :) [15:26] :) [15:33] Join: Jens joined #corewars [15:52] hey roy.. my wife wants to know if your SO knows you've invited all of corewars creation.. [15:53] SO? [15:53] significant other.. [15:54] wife/gf/whatever you like [15:56] ... I've got to go now. bye! [15:56] * Nenad waves [15:56] MSG: [15:58] Err no, I haven't told my girlfriend yet, but she's invited too, and so is your wife if she wants to hang out with geeks ;) [16:06] the probability of barkley showing up after he has learned that I am likely to attend is 20.9% [16:06] maybe lower :P [16:10] probably lower, I might have overestimated his interest to show up at all. [16:10] on second thought it might be closer to 3% [16:11] heh [16:12] well, since its travel to pretty much the exact opposite side of the world... its not likely :) [16:12] but it would be kinda cool [16:16] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:17] Join: brx joined #corewars [16:32] y. But these two last expectation is y. But these two last expe [16:32] are evidently the same with my original expectastion, the val [16:32] and therefor P + y = x. But y is to x as N - b is to N. Wher [16:32] N is to b, and N (the probability of my obtaining N) is P . [16:32] x [16:32] b [16:32] he should have learned writing. [16:32] ? [16:33] I am reading "an essay towards solving a problem in the doctrine of chances" [16:33] by bayes [16:33] and he has a very quirky writing style [16:43] * Roy is back [17:01] MSG: [17:19] Yippie!! Long live MySQL indexes :))) [17:19] ...? [17:20] The biggest problem of the Core War Time Machine was, that it took too long to get the results out of the database. [17:20] Generating a page with a complete hill took more that 0.4 seconds. Now it is down to 0.04 - just by adding just another index :) [17:23] And I already thought of using a page cache .... stupid me ... as always :) [17:23] Ah, that is nice yeah [17:23] Yes, I can really see, how it enlightens your world ;-) [17:24] lux :) [17:24] * Roy learned some latin today [17:26] I've just imported all data for 94draft into my database at home. It seems, that the hill isn't that popular anymore :-( - 2002 - 216 successful challenges, 2003 - 231, 2004 - 120 and 2005 - 47 (until August) [17:26] lux orbis terrarum (??) [17:26] yeah, its falling :( [17:26] You should be very careful with that. Latin grammar is hell [17:27] * Roy knowns no grammar [17:28] Hmm ... I need JM to be here [17:28] He should have the remaining data for 94draft (Aug 05 - Oct 05) [17:28] 94nop is getting impopulair too I think.. [17:30] Maybe, but most of the data for the hill are just successful challenges (!). Unfortunately there is almost no data about the real number of challenges. Probably the hill are just becoming more difficult to enter [17:31] No, most entries send at the moment get on the hill if I'm right.. [17:31] Maybe at the moment, but in general ? [17:31] No idea, I don't think its harder [17:32] I just had another thought. How about making 94nop the youngest since years [17:32] It already is/was :) [17:32] We should get rid of all the old warrior (say all warrior +120) [17:32] KL is about to die soon, Thingamabob is hanging... [17:33] all 100+ warriors... good idea [17:33] No +120!!! [17:33] (hehe, I know what you are up to ;-)) [17:33] But look at the age-graph of 94nop. If they really die, we might have the youngest hill since January 1999 [17:34] Yes, we already have a super young hill [17:34] Now we "only" have the youngest hill since Jan 2000 [17:38] The hill is getting older now isn't it..? [17:38] average hill age, today: 90 [17:38] The hill being young points at a easy hill to enter [17:38] Oct 6, 2005: 83 [17:39] Easy to enter high, not enter at position 19/20 and being pushed off next challenge [17:42] hehe, now I know, why the hill is so young [17:42] It is your fault, Roy ;-) [17:42] You've killed Hullballoo [17:43] No thats actualy your fault :) [17:43] Why? [17:43] Did I force you to? [17:44] No, but err well I don't know, its not my fault, I didnt kill SoV :) (thank god) [17:44] I killed most other old warriors :-D [17:45] But you are one of the two top-killers! [17:45] JM has killed 2 +1000-warriors and you, too [17:46] JM (SoV, Blacken) - Roy (Reepicheep, Uninvited) [17:47] Killing SoV and Blacken probably weighs more ;-) [17:47] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [17:48] Much more! I only killed Reepicheep and Uninvited (both from JM) to punish him ;-) [17:48] hehe [17:48] that sounds evil [17:48] But it isn't.. [17:48] Maybe I should sum up all the age of all killed warriors [17:49] Then we'd have the CW-Killer No. 1 [17:49] Roy: btw, I just sent my Chimera to 94x to test a step [17:49] Ah, hi Nenad, good luck [17:49] well, I hope that I'll find a good cds step for X soon [17:50] Nenad: Have a coffee (or your favourite other drink) while are waiting for the results [17:50] Normal X goes pretty fast [17:50] Hmm ... don't think so [17:51] Maybe you are living in a different world with slower clocks ;-) [17:52] No, I'm just relaxed/lazy [17:54] heh. I was destroyd by pspacers... but several s/i got beaten [17:55] The version I send you scored 127.8 ;-) [17:55] but not the same scanner [17:55] this isn't lux [17:56] I'll try it in lux now... [18:11] I'm taking the Core War Time Machine offline now for some updates. [18:16] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [18:17] evening all [18:17] hi Will [18:17] Hi willvarfa! [18:17] much up? [18:18] asw, are you lurking today? [18:18] hi will [18:19] hrm [18:19] its wil. [18:19] hello Roy, Barkley [18:22] Roy, very interested in ICC2006; missed ICC2004, and want to make up for it too [18:23] Just like me :) [18:24] nice page, btw [18:24] good map; make it yourself? [18:24] Heh, made that yesterday in about 10 minutes, including the map [18:24] stylish [18:25] We already discussed that map, Holland being 3x normal size, missing small countries like luxenbourg/monaco etc :-P [18:25] ah oops, sorry :-) [18:26] Now I'm trying to get sponsering or other kind of funding [18:27] Without it I might ask 20 euro pp (for two nights sleep) [18:27] where were you planning on putting everyone? [18:30] is there a sheraton close by? [18:31] e20/night? bargin! [18:32] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [18:32] hi fellas [18:32] :) [18:33] No, I have something at 9,55 per night, exclusive dinner etc [18:33] Just sleeping and a room for presentations etc [18:34] Roy, where exactly will be the ICC2006? [18:35] Hopefully it'll be in Delft [18:35] How is the next train station called? [18:35] Delft is right in the middle of Den Haag/Rotterdam/Amsterdam and pretty good accesable [18:36] Delft Central station by train, its between The Hague station and Rotterdam [18:36] :) [18:37] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [18:37] * Nenad waves [18:37] MSG: [18:37] The place I was talking about has a building for 12 people/24 people and more, and its really old and pretty, and has a tower :) [18:37] And a kitchen and sanitair etc [18:38] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [18:39] * elkauka wonders about kde's nervous breakdown [18:40] * Roy is angry at Windows... [18:40] * Jens just loves his Linux system for being so nice to him :) [18:40] It keeps bugging me, all day now, every 10 minutes: "Updates are installed, would you like to reboot?" [18:40] hehe [18:40] NO! I'm busy, stop ignoring me! [18:40] "stop annoying me, ignore me!" [18:41] * willvarfa has been through freebsd and linux hell [18:41] And now uses what? [18:41] willvarfa: macos? :) [18:41] MS DOS [18:41] CP/M? [18:44] * willvarfa has now installed Knoppix to harddisk [18:44] but that took three attempts [18:44] and it still doesn't edit video clips properly [18:46] why did you do that? :) [18:46] argh [18:46] (install knoppix to hd) [18:48] well ubantu was all promise, everyone said it was great, and it basically didn't have anything [18:49] not even a compiler [18:49] so I didn't get very far, having to download and install everything manually [18:49] I was really surprised; it was too spartan to be useful "out of the box" [18:49]