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[11:08] Join: michal joined #corewars [11:14] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:14] Join: brx joined #corewars [11:19] Join: Roy joined #corewars [11:30] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:35] hi [11:40] Join: brx joined #corewars [11:45] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [11:45] Hi [11:45] hi Nenad! [11:45] :) [11:45] I was online and I saw you here, so I thought - why wait until evening :) [11:46] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:47] Roy: so, what is left to do in the first issue of CoreExplorer? [11:47] did you plan any more articles? [11:47] Well I guess its kind of finished now right, we have everything? [11:48] well, I think so. [11:48] Jens said that we need to shorten the lines [11:48] for a good display [11:49] and we also need to correct some errors [11:49] Shorten it even more? Its already less width then the CoreWarrior if I'm corrent [11:49] * Roy is bad at correcting errors :( [11:50] I saw some small typos in my article, but I'll correct them once we finish the "beautification" part [11:50] first we need to put it all together [11:50] You have everything now? [11:50] The copy-paste it ;-) [11:50] *then [11:52] what about that "exploring mars" thing? [11:52] Ohw hmm, next issue :) [11:52] :) [11:52] I'm pretty busy, so I'm not going to write it today, might not even have time this week [11:52] Lot of things to finish for school so I can go on internship [11:56] ok. I'm sending you the current "finished version" [11:57] Join: brx joined #corewars [11:57] Roy: have a look at it to see if it's ok. if you think that we shouldn't change anything, post it to r.g.c. [11:57] Hello friends [11:58] hi datagram [11:58] I can proofread CoreExplorer if you'd like [11:58] My English is flawless : ) [11:58] :) [11:58] well, you are from USA, so that's not entirely true :) [11:58] hrm, I'll make some changes and post it.. ok? [11:58] Roy: ok [11:59] Did anyone see my post on r.g.c? [11:59] which one? [11:59] I still don't know how the tournament is going to work [11:59] well, it's simple [11:59] hmm, the version you send me is broken :( the lines are cut off [12:00] :( well, fix them [12:00] I understand how bracketing and tournaments work, but how we play doesn't make sense yet [12:00] Do we submit one warrior every match? Or one overall? [12:00] datagram: first, the qualification part, then quarterfinals, semifinals, .. [12:00] one warrior per matchup [12:00] New warrior every matchup? [12:01] yes [12:01] and also new rules [12:01] ? [12:01] each round, there will be different rules [12:01] different coresize, maxproc, maxlength, etc. [12:01] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:02] omg ;) [12:02] Roy: mail me the finished version once you're done with the corrections [12:02] datagram: will you participate? [12:13] Nenad: I just send it [12:13] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:13] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [12:13] Join: brx joined #corewars [12:14] Roy: well, ok. post it to r.g.c. [12:19] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:22] I will [12:27] Nenad, Yeah I guess so [12:27] Nenad, Someone's gotta make last : ) [12:28] :) [12:28] well, be more optimistic [12:28] it will be a weird tournament - so surprises will be possible [12:29] I've got to go. I'll probably be back tonight. bye! [12:29] * Nenad waves [12:29] http://static.flickr.com/30/52645631_0e57c82916_o.jpg [12:29] Do you guys in Europe celebrate Halloween? [12:29] MSG: [12:30] So far no [12:30] atleast here [12:30] Ah that sucks. Free candy is awesome [12:32] ..we have our own candy-begging day every year [12:32] Dunno about rest of Europe [12:33] which one? [12:33] Easter [12:34] begging? [12:35] to beg [12:35] see dictionary [12:35] our parents have hidden candy in the garden for example ... [12:35] -... [12:35] hidden candy? :S [12:35] Ah yes, rabbit-phenomenon [12:35] yes :) [12:36] Here its from old pagan times when Easter used to be day of witches [12:37] No, more info is not necessary [12:41] Heh that kind of lost/hidden candy [12:42] ok, I'm gone for a little while, ps. the first CoreExplorer is posted!! [12:46] Heh Roy you guys wrote Analize...it's analyze [12:46] Analize is buttsex [13:05] Hrm :) [13:11] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:11] . [13:11] . [13:11] . [13:11] . [13:11] . [13:11] . [13:11] ? [13:12] hi dear roy [13:12] im here:-) [13:13] hi, glad to hear that [13:16] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:26] Join: Jens joined #corewars [13:26] :) [13:27] hi Jens [13:27] :) [13:27] how ru today,jens [13:27] exhausted, but fine [13:28] why? [13:29] Well ... there was Jens ... there was the bicycle ... probably you can image, what followed ;-) [13:29] he analized too much :P [13:30] Hey, look, what found the way into my inbox ... CoreExplorer I :) [13:31] CoreExplorer ? [13:31] whats that? [13:31] hehe [13:31] caesar CoreExplorer on our newsgroup, its the new magazine for corewar beginners [13:32] caesar: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.corewar [13:32] can i download the ebook ver.? [13:32] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:32] no,i dont want see the newsgroup now:( [13:33] caesar: Isn't a ordinary text file enough? [13:33] hello? [13:33] ok...i think the mag for begining is with more pic,source code and more [13:34] hi,brx |i just can say hi for sb. use this way now [13:34] Roy: Who said, I've written that article [13:35] Nenad..? [13:35] You didnt..? :) [13:35] Roy: I've considered it a throw-it-away-draft and told Nenad to do with it whatever he wanted [13:35] for what,roy? [13:36] Join: sf joined #corewars [13:36] Hi all [13:36] hi,sf [13:36] Well, now its in the CoreExplorer ;-) things can go quickly [13:37] Wow, google adsense really seems to work, now all that is left is them actually sending me the money :-) [13:37] I have just found CoreExplorer [13:38] aha....how many dollers,roy [13:38] Roy: And Yatima isn't a scanner [13:39] i see the"CoreExplorer issue 1",its so welllll [13:39] Very very nice [13:39] so u see too,sf? [13:40] Yes in google groups [13:40] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:41] Ah, hehe you made it, not me ;) [13:42] Roy: Maybe someone should have proveread the text. I've already found some mistakes :( [13:42] Well yes, I read most of it, and still I find mistakes... but well [13:42] What my dad always says: "If you can do it better do it yourself" [13:43] * caesar have tired [13:43] But that is my point. I've only written a throw-it-away-NOW-draft for the text. It should've been read at least once before being published [13:44] i get down now,goodbye [13:44] * Jens waves [13:44] I'm available for proofreading providing I get a few days notice [13:44] * sf waves [13:46] Heh, we'll take the points for the next issiue [13:47] You can fix any faults and ask anyone who puts it on their webpage to use the fixed one [13:48] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:52] Clicking on your google-ads now Roy ;) [13:53] lol [13:53] which ads? [13:53] It was already standing on 4 dollars, with 7 clicks... very odd [13:53] The ones I added on the ICC2006 website (as a test) [13:53] Will it register more than one click from the save ip? [13:53] same ip-address I mean? [13:54] Roy: hehe ... didn't see any ... all were filtered out [13:54] I don't think so, multible clicks are allowed, BUT there is a big algoritme from google behind it, so they do have automatic-click-detection etc [13:54] Roy: Haven't seen an ad during the last weeks. Lucky me :) [13:54] I added it yesterday.. [13:55] Theres a few bucks more for Roy [13:55] Lol, you have to have 50 dollars+ to send it... some time to go I guess ;-) [13:55] sf if you click to often, roy will get banned from adsense/words/whatever [13:56] Roy: No, I can't see an ad :)) [13:56] Heh, so don't click too much :-O [13:56] I don't like adblocker in general [13:57] I can click from work too. Different ip-address ;) [13:57] I really love them. They make me feel being back in 1995 [13:57] I like flashblocker ... there are some sites that show so many flash ads, that my browser needs > 50% cputime ... [13:57] almost no ads ... only content [13:57] That's a ideologic question [13:58] You want the content, so live with the ads [13:58] But there is a drawback, no ads no money, no money no good content [13:58] Err.. what fiveop says [13:58] Lots of people have good content and no ads [13:58] Roy: The internet has existed before the invasion of ads. [13:59] If you have good content I'm willing to pay for it, but of course I prefer not to, because I still believe, that it isn't necessary for good content [14:00] Jens: You'd never pay for any content on any website [14:00] Because you know you can get it legaly, paying nothing. [14:01] But if the person who provides you with content you obviously like, cause you visit his page, want's to earn some mony with ads [14:01] fiveop: For "normal" content I agree, but when you are interested in "esoteric" information, it is sometimes necessary [14:02] ...to pay [14:02] It is a bit unfair to block this of ... it's a whole product he's providing (like tv, radio or books with recommendations at the end) ... [14:02] Why should it be unfair? [14:02] There should be some paypal buttons on some Corewar website, click here to donate money for the upkeep of the Corewar websites [14:02] Jens: what do you mean by esoteric? Can't think of any information, that isn't freely available on the net (that is avaible for purchase otherwise) [14:03] sf: should there realy? :P [14:03] And the money should be pooled and divided between the owners of the most important Corewar websites [14:03] fiveop: optional donations, lots of websites have them. [14:04] fiveop: The easiest answer is the following: Yes, a lot of information is free, but it takes a lot of time of find that information. Paying for getting the required information fast might be cheaper than gathering the information yourself [14:04] Yes but I don't like them ... such a private page costs about ... nearly nothing (just like my own), and if they are non commercial and don't provide any broadband service ... why bother [14:04] People with websites have to spend time on them, maybe pay for hosting, etc. [14:04] fiveop: where is your website? [14:06] sf: how about fiveop.de [14:06] ;) [14:08] You should send those tiny warriors to Metcalf & Birk [14:16] hehe ... I've just got another letter from my beloved "Nigerian friends", but this time they've actually translated the text into German [14:17] ... poorly translated of course [14:17] :-) [14:17] "A clear is a bomber with the stepsize one, resulting in a complete linear progressing coverage of the core with the payload.", is this definition correct? [14:17] Did you ask them to translate it? [14:18] err I always thought a bomber was a clear with gaps instead of a clear being a bomber without a step :) [14:18] why should I? The english versions are annoying enough [14:18] To annoy them [14:19] I know other things, which are far more interesting, to do in my spare time [14:19] There is a website somewhere about people who have been winding up the scammers [14:20] Yes, the first 5 minutes it is fun to read, but the that wears off [14:20] *then [14:21] My email is down today. [14:22] I far more love this site. Human stupidity at its best, amplified by a computer: http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/ [14:23] Customer: "I don't use DOS. What would happen if I deleted that directory?" [14:23] Student: "How much do Windows cost, and do you have to buy each one separately?" [14:24] "Clear is a bomber with step size of one" is what willvarfa says [14:24] We talked about that one a time ago [14:24] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:24] sounds logical to me [14:31] MSG: Quit: Think your current client is sexy? Check out Bersirc 2.2! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [14:33] hello. [14:33] I bet I won't drop out again. [14:33] How do you know? [14:33] * Roy bets brx is! :) [14:34] did you build that cantenna? :P [14:34] you may converse with me. [14:34] Jens: I doubled the connection quality [14:34] If you have that much RFI then you should just use wired connections [14:34] Jens: Hmm ... my connection has always the same quality :) [14:34] datagram: lol. [14:35] Yeah brx, the pringles antenna? how did that work? [14:36] have not built it yet :/ I just improvised with some aluminium foil an empty can and some wires. [14:37] and that worked..? [14:37] ...yup [14:38] Yippie ... I've just finished the first benchmark for my new MARS. It is definitely the slowest MARS ever!! 68.7 instructions/second [14:38] Jens: python? :) [14:39] yup [14:39] But it is quite readable [14:40] who will read it? :) [14:40] me [14:40] It already has a working PyGTK-GUI [14:40] Soon I can start to replace the Python-routines with C-modules to make it faster [14:44] Hmm ... but no pspace ... I leave that for the next version [14:58] Heh, I was about to say [14:58] Just push C [14:58] (through python) [14:59] and then? [14:59] You know you can call C code directly in Python right? [14:59] a then? [15:00] *and [15:00] Use Python for the GUI and have C code running as the literal PMars [15:01] But that wasn't the point of doing it. [15:01] I wanted a simple and clean MARS-implementation [15:01] That way you get the pretty GUI of wxPython and have fast C code doing the background stuff (much faster than python will) [15:02] I will rewrite some parts in C. That wait I still have the clean implemenation and some speed [15:02] or just use a language like common lisp and have everything but the gui expressed in beautiful code while retaining speed [15:02] Heh [15:02] You think Lisp is beautiful code? [15:02] Python is way cleaner than Lisp [15:03] datagram: it is the ancient way. [15:03] Staring at )))))))))) makes me want to gouge my eyes out [15:03] It is just another languages, nothing more [15:03] not really.. [15:03] datagram: you don't look at those. [15:03] (in my editor, parens get a color similar to the background so I hardly see them at all) [15:03] Jens, I'm pretty pro-python, you see [15:03] Haha [15:03] But they are still there [15:03] * Roy is getting pro-python [15:03] datagram: yes, but I don't even type them := [15:04] I can make all my text while and have the cleanest programming language around : P [15:04] white* [15:04] whitespace [15:04] datagram: say what you will. lisp's syntax is one of the simplest you will ever face. [15:04] Roy, w00t [15:04] Roy, Big on python or just starting? [15:05] datagram: Try to use some more languages and you might come to the conclusion, that all languages are just the same. Some problems here, some good things there. In the end they are all good as long as they do, what you want [15:05] datagram: and that is what beauty is. elegance, no redundant syntactical constructs. [15:05] Heh...I do C/C++/Python/Perl/PHP/VB/etc..etc.. [15:05] Assembly ;P [15:05] and I disagree with jens. [15:06] hehe [15:06] So do I [15:06] :) [15:06] C/C++ will always be the best, but Python is great for simplicity [15:06] hmm [15:06] There's a reason OS's are written in C/C++ and not other languages [15:06] I enjoy writing c. I don'T like c++ because it feels too unwieldly [15:06] Hehe [15:07] dirty, copy paste galore. :) [15:07] datagram: Think of that. How many OS's will you write in you entire life? 0? 1? [15:07] But that doesn't matter what I write that makes the language what it is [15:07] and the reason that os are written in c is that it is near the metal. [15:08] I am inconsequential [15:08] and you want to be on the metal. [15:08] while being portable. hence c [15:08] it says nothing about its expressiveness. and it is not very expressive. [15:08] But we can all get along...just as long as none of you do Java. [15:08] c++ was the java of 1996. [15:08] datagram: Try Brainfuck - http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ . It is simple. It is turing-complete. What else do you want? ;-) [15:09] I know what it is [15:09] 8 characters [15:09] They have Brainfork now too [15:09] Jens: is brainfuck "the same" as python? [15:09] Haha [15:09] brx: There are no big differences. [15:11] Jens: so what was the reason for using python again for your mars? [15:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Esoteric_programming_languages [15:11] Jens: instead of, say, brainfuck [15:11] Jens wants to get it done before 2015, of course [15:11] I wanted to use a language, that has a lot of support out there [15:11] datagram: is that a small difference? :) [15:12] Jens: that is the only reason? [15:12] so why not perl? [15:12] it's user base is greater. [15:12] or java [15:12] -' [15:12] Unclean! [15:12] Why not Lisp? [15:12] datagram: there is no big difference.. [15:12] I don't like verbose languages [15:12] Jens: it's user base is considerably smaller [15:12] datagram: me neither :P [15:13] If you guys aren't familiar, Stackless Python is also badass [15:13] its [15:13] http://stackless.com [15:14] Just another language. As long as it works, it is OK [15:14] *version/(insert your most favourite term) [15:16] Jens: apparently there are big differences between languages. some circumstancial, others inherent in the languages involved. if you want to have lots of support and libraries, you choose a language with a big user base. if you want clean code, you look for a language with high level constructs, maybe first-class functions and all those benefits and a coherent syntax [15:17] brx: No quite right. The only difference, I can see, language A might be better suited for a task than language B. Apart from that they are all the same [15:18] while I agree that it is possible to write functioning programs in all kinds of languages. I disagree with the statement that it makes no difference which language you choose. someone writing a mars in brainfuck will spend considerable more time doing it than another person of equal capability doing it in python. and that is because one of those languages was actually meant to be used productively [15:19] Just as I've said. Give a task, language A might be better suited than language B. [15:21] I agree with that statement [15:21] but it doesn't argue my point [15:23] I can only think of languages as a tool. Either it works well enough or not. If it doesn't work, I take another tool. [15:23] One might write a mars in python in a short time, and wait while playing with it, or take some more time converting to C and have quick battles ;-) [15:24] and some tools are inherently broken or misengineered in such ways that they should not be used in any situation [15:24] brx: A broken hammer might be still enough to drive in a nail. [15:24] Or you might just use it the wrong way brx, else it wouldn't be made/published etc :) [15:24] other tools are of superior quality. even though they can be applied to a greater set of tasks. [15:25] Jens: you might hurt yourself though. [15:25] Roy: oh please. brainfuck? java? [15:25] ;) [15:25] brx: Yes, but that can still happen with the best hammer ever [15:25] Jens: the probability of that happening are lower though [15:26] s/are/is [15:26] Java is pretty good tool to learn programming :) [15:26] brx: Yes. But how can you estimate such things when you deal with programming languages [15:28] Roy: Have already read the replies to the CoreExplorer I in r.g.c.? [15:29] the time you spend solving a problem and how much you had to go out of your way to please your language to do it. [15:29] Yes, they are good, Nenad will be proud I think ;-) [15:29] Roy: good tool to learn programming? there's a reason the MIT's introductory cs course is held in scheme. [15:29] * Roy actualy didn't do much [15:30] brx: Right. And where are we then? Given a task, language A might be better than task B. [15:30] brx: For MIT-nerds maybe scheme is better, but all the highschools I know teach Java [15:30] Jens: what if there is no task B? [15:30] *task B->language B [15:30] Roy: because java is trendy. [15:31] Jens: what if there is only one task? :) [15:32] brx: If you don't know man languages, you might have a problem. Fortunately that isn't the case for me:) [15:32] *many [15:33] Hey ... that is a programming language a like: LITHP [15:33] Jens: so, I don't have any problems then. however, I think you misjudge the number of task classes. [15:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun's_Tenth_Rule [15:35] gotta go, bye! [15:35] MSG: [15:36] brx: Greenspun's tenth rule is often quoted by Lisp evangelists ;-) [15:38] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [15:38] hi [15:38] Jens: I don't quote is as a lisp evangelist, it's the same for any highlevel language compared to c or similar. [15:38] hi brx [15:39]