[03:47] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [06:04] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [08:03] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [08:25] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [08:26] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [09:24] Join: Roy joined #corewars [09:43] Join: Jens joined #corewars [09:43] :) [10:10] MSG: [11:52] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [13:06] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [13:06] Hi [13:06] Hi Nenad [14:18] * Nenad waves [14:18] MSG: [14:26] Hello [14:27] I am going to bed though [14:27] g'night then [14:27] night [14:36] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:36] hullo :) [14:37] hi brx [14:37] hi Roy [14:38] * brx gets the new cvs emacs [14:38] * Roy is playing with Blackens source code.. [15:06] http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~candolin/scheme/beauty.html [15:06] scheme is *so* beautiful [15:07] argh, thats unreadable :P [15:07] Roy: I don't think a normal human being can parse that easily ;) [15:12] http://jonripley.com/brainfuck/games/adv.b <- brainf*ck is also unreadable :) [15:15] that's cool. I can use all of this as alternative sample input to my current project :) [15:37] '"In the beginning there was the MOV" and the core saw that it compiled [15:37] correctly.' [15:37] * fiveop laughs [15:37] ;) [15:41] fiveop: where from? [15:43] r.g.c. [15:56] http://www.nada.kth.se/~matslina/awib/awib-1.0rc4.b [15:58] I think, we should change the name of this cannel [15:58] How about "(Other languages) vs. LITHP" [15:59] err ... "(Other languages) vs. LISP" [16:01] Jens: you are too negative. I have always been a major distraction to #corewars even before you first joined here ;) [16:03] brx: If you wouldn't have said it, I would've never noticed [16:04] Jens: that is correct, except you actually read the #corewars logs from before your first join- [16:05] http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/bf-source/prog/decss.bf [16:07] brx: You should have noticed, that I always tell the truth. [16:07] brx: ... especially about LITHP ;-) [16:08] brx: Sorry ... my keyboard doesn't work properly [16:08] Jens: yes, it has a lisp. [16:09] so jens, are you looking forward to the set? [16:09] ? [16:09] single elimination tournament [16:10] yup :) [16:11] it's been a long time since I have last participated in any cw related tournament [16:11] I am rather excited. [16:12] hmm ... your page isn't ready yet :( [16:12] I am mostly interested in surviving the qualification phase [16:12] (if there'll be one) [16:13] As usual I'm mostly interested in winning and destroying earth [16:13] hmm .. forget about destroying earth [16:13] I would never let you pass, I hope you realize that. [16:14] I will try to win my group to maximize my chances to kick you out after the first round ;) [16:15] Sorry, you were saying? The last two sentected of yours were only garbage on my computer [16:15] *sentences [16:15] ;) [16:15] heh [16:17] It is time of play a little bit on 94nop. At first some testing ... [16:21] is anything known about the rules for set already? [16:22] Yes [16:22] There will be rules and you'll know them shortly before the SET starts ;) [16:23] great :) [16:33] Part: Jens left #corewars [16:44] Join: sf joined #corewars [16:44] Hello [16:47] hi sf [17:15] ohw joy, Ian Oversby is impressed by my reverse engineering and said: "The code is ready to be posted", so I won't hesitate any longer, and send it to r.g.c :-) [17:15] sov? [17:16] Blacken [17:16] :) [17:17] :) [17:17] It isn't on google groups yet [17:19] I am currently trying to explain on-speed (and corewars) to a newbie [17:19] No not yet, one or two slight changes before I'll publish it [17:19] have been talking about the spl instruction for 15 minutes now [17:20] (actually, I have shifted from on-speed to an imaginary warrior containing only the single instruction spl 0, 0) [17:21] ;redcode [17:21] ;name single split [17:21] ;author S.Fernandes [17:21] spl 0,0 [17:21] end [17:21] Now it's no longer imaginary! [17:21] woo! nice.. how does it score? [17:21] yes, sorry, I forgot to mention your name [17:21] since you are its author :;) [17:21] :) [17:23] Need to buy some phone credit now [17:23] * sf waves [17:23] MSG: Quit: Yummy, like ircing on a cake! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [17:23] maybe I should talk about a coresize of 1 [17:28] look at r.g.c, Blacken is back! [17:39] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [17:39] evening all [17:40] hi will [17:42] how goes things? [17:42] fine, how are you? [17:43] Topic Change: Roy sets topic: Logs are back, and Blacken is back! www.koth.org/irc-logs/ [17:44] hi will [17:44] Roy: he has understood the imp [17:44] wow [17:44] he also understands processes [17:45] Now send him to the tutorials etc [17:45] I sent him to this place [17:45] I sent him the url to dewdney's original article [17:46] I have just put my foot through my floor [17:46] not good [17:46] willvarfa: hum? [17:47] renovating my back hall, laying a new floor; slipped between the joists [17:48] aaai...doesn't sound good no [17:48] ouch. [17:49] I never actualy read those Dewdney articles.. [17:49] Roy: I did, they are inspiring [17:49] in a way [17:49] make you *want* to play this game :) [17:49] he is going to show up here soon, I hope you'll be here to help me give pointers and answering some questions [17:50] who, Dewdney?? [17:50] .. no, not dewdney ;) [17:51] willvarfa: the guy I am trying to get to play cw [17:51] I explained some fundamentals like processes, the circular nature of the core etc [17:52] (the difference between processes and instructions..) [17:53] I also showed him two warriors and explaind them to him [17:53] sf's famous "single slit" and the infamous imp [17:53] +p [17:53] * brx bluches [17:53] *blushes [17:53] hehe, sf's famous single slit (giggles) [17:54] Join: |soulless joined #corewars [17:54] does dewdney know how to operate an irc client? [17:54] <|soulless> allu [17:54] ah there he is. [17:55] |soulless: meet Roy and willvarfa. [17:55] <|soulless> :) [17:55] Roy is a somewhat successful cw player and willvarfa wrote a program to generate warriors. [17:55] Join: Neogryzor joined #corewars [17:56] perfect timing neo. [17:56] hello :) [17:56] Hi soulless [17:56] <|soulless> oha >.< [17:56] <|soulless> hi [17:56] hi, i'm just in a quick visit to see what's going on? [17:56] brx: I think he does, if I recall right he mentioned reading logs [17:57] ah, we have a really fresh cw newbie present [17:57] * brx points at |soulless [17:57] <|soulless> ~~ [17:58] <|soulless> but i allready know what a mov is xD [17:58] welcome [17:58] <|soulless> :) thank u [17:59] Join: sascha joined #corewars [17:59] hello sascha :) [17:59] * willvarfa afk [17:59] hi sascha [17:59] Hi 2 all [17:59] And brx told us you also know what a spl is :) [18:00] So, lets hear it, what does a spl do? [18:00] Roy: you are so mean :) [18:00] <|soulless> oh.. not again [18:00] <|soulless> xD [18:00] <|soulless> was difficult enough to explain in german [18:01] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [18:01] hi [18:01] aber tun Sie es auf Deutsch dann [18:01] well try it anyway. I suppose Roy is able to explain it better than me. [18:01] hi Fizmo [18:01] <|soulless> ^^ [18:01] Hi Chris... [18:01] <|soulless> hm well... [18:01] (hrm, babelfish doesn't speak german very good I think) [18:02] Hi fizmo [18:02] Roy: it parses [18:02] <|soulless> args [18:02] <|soulless> brb [18:02] * |soulless afk [18:02] hi [18:03] * brx points fizmo to |soulless, a fresh newbie. [18:03] <|soulless> kay re [18:03] <|soulless> lets try [18:03] Aber ich spreche auch ein bichen deutsch :-) (I'm a german newbie) [18:03] hi Fiz [18:04] hi@all [18:04] :-) [18:04] Heya, Blacken is back.... [18:04] roy posted its source to rgc [18:05] <|soulless> a spl: splitts a process. pro.1 points at the spl itself and the pro2 points at next field in the core.. a dat because theres no instruction there [18:05] * brx giggles [18:06] <|soulless> Oo [18:06] <|soulless> and dont laugh brx :> i forgot evrything [18:06] <|soulless> perhaps i should read the guide first xD [18:06] almost, the first proces points at the next instruction, and the second points at itself (right? or I'm going crazy) [18:07] <|soulless> ~~ *ashamed* [18:07] <|soulless> hm close one xD [18:07] heh, it just splits a process, pretty simple :) [18:08] (once you get used to it) [18:08] <|soulless> ya.. took me some time [18:08] <|soulless> right brxi? :> [18:09] heh, took me about two years to fully understand it, it becomes very confusing with the >,<,},{,@,* (adressing modes) [18:09] (but I'm a bit slow) [18:09] heh, well the same here ;-) [18:10] <|soulless> ... [18:10] <|soulless> nice to know [18:10] <|soulless> xD [18:10] as you can see, even the pros of today had their problems in the beginning [18:11] <|soulless> as evryone ~~ i think [18:11] so lighten up, read the guide and consult www.corewar.info/beginner.htm for more material and ask in here whenever you have a question on your mind. I am sure the lot of us is glad to help. [18:12] <|soulless> :) ya brx [18:13] shit! i have found Fizmo's mail about CSEC2005 in the "undesired mail" inbox [18:16] really?!? [18:16] I hope only in your inbox :-/ [18:17] I just sent it to a lot of player hoping for some unexpected combacks of some few corewar gurus [18:17] there have been some lurkers exposing themselves on rgc [18:17] I was rather surprised to be honest :) [18:18] Grabun, I would love him comming back [18:18] i liked grabun. [18:18] I remember having interesting and funny talks about css and his website layout ;) [18:18] yeah, it would be great [18:19] yeah a lot :) www.grabun.com [18:20] when was the last time grabun was spotted here? [18:22] he was here one or two times after he left.. have to check the logs [18:22] yes, that would be :) [18:25] Maybe I'll mail him... tell him all the good new news [18:26] Roy: like? [18:26] <|soulless> kk gtg now.. see ya next days :) [18:26] <|soulless> bye [18:26] see you [18:26] what happened to dwarf's corner? [18:26] MSG: <|soulless> Quit: • :: ซซซ (Gamers.IRC) ปปป www.gamersirc.net :: [18:27] I sent Lukasz an email. Maybe he'll give a lifesign [18:28] * Roy mailed him too [18:29] :-) [18:29] brx: like Blacken being back, and ICC2006 and CSEC2005!! [18:30] Corewar is alive! [18:30] It sure is! [18:31] i don't even know what the csec is :) [18:31] oh wait, I am participating. [18:31] ;) [18:31] heh [18:32] i have to go now [18:32] c.u. all [18:32] fare well neo [18:32] cu [18:32] * Fizmo waves [18:32] * Neogryzor waves [18:32] MSG: Quit: Physical Wreck IRC webscript: http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [EOF] [18:42] even if I don't participate on CSEC2005 I found it quite thrilling to think of possible pairings [18:43] yes, like brx vs metcalf [18:43] * brx chuckles [18:44] still 16 player for the qualification round [18:44] I am hoping for at least 4 more [18:45] yeah... come on people, join! fiveop, is he joining? [18:45] he is [18:45] good, more people..! [18:45] log_guy, you joining?? :P [18:45] he's already with the 16 people. :) [18:46] ...log_guy? :o ;) [18:46] yes, fiveop is [18:46] what about the evolvers? ;) [18:46] will this be a tournament where they can participate? mh fiz? ;) [18:50] yes, they can [18:51] I posted that on r.g.c. now inviting all beginners and evolvers [19:00] will the source of the warriors be published? [19:01] I hope so, it'd be interesting. [19:01] yes, they will [19:01] after each match, or at the end? [19:01] after each mach [19:01] *match [19:02] * Fizmo is afk for a while [19:02] will it be possible to recycle warriors? use the round 1 warrior for round 2? or will the rules be different [19:02] Nick Change: Fizmo changed nick to fiz_afk [19:02] the rounds will be different [19:03] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/schedule.htm [19:05] * willvarfa waves [19:05] MSG: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919] [19:06] bbl [19:13] gotta go ppl! [19:13] ciao [19:13] MSG: [19:26] Nick Change: fiz_afk changed nick to Fizmo [19:26] I have to go now [19:26] * Fizmo waves [19:27] MSG: [19:30] Join: lgrabun joined #corewars [19:30] mwahahahahaha [19:32] ok [19:32] anyone here? [19:33] hi, lukasz... [19:34] oh [19:34] so actually there *is* someone alive [19:34] good to know that [19:34] hi sascha [19:35] erm [19:35] how is it going? [19:35] :-) [19:35] thanks, and you ? [19:36] so far so good [19:37] anything new? [19:37] I've received two most friendly emails today [19:37] oh, so many things... [19:37] namely? [19:37] yeah, they want to invite you to the cwset2005 [19:39] I've forgotten all the rules, I guess [19:39] [20:19:38] Grabun, I would love him comming back [19:39] [20:19:49] i liked grabun. [19:40] * lgrabun pats brx [19:40] no, after round 24 of frenzy, fizmo created a single elimination tournament, just for all players..no complex rules, just a simple round where you now your opponent. k.o.system, you know [19:42] hm [19:42] i've skimmed the text, yes [19:43] basically, i don't think i can compete any of you guys, after all this time, nonetheless, it'd fun to give it a try [19:43] why not, huh? [19:43] there are some newbies and some oldies..we hope for some evolvers too. [19:44] where exactly *is* blacken? [19:44] in the rec.games.corewar... [19:45] reverse engineered by roy [19:45] apart from supa dupa evolving algorithms, any new ideas as far as redcode is concerned? [19:45] * lgrabun takes a look [19:46] * lgrabun melts [19:46] aw [19:46] stone/imp [19:47] some of us are just approaching score surfaces for tiny, just to look for ideal steps for paper scanner and so on.. like that [19:47] any good pmars interpreter for windows xp? [19:48] corewin i guess [19:48] on www.corewar.info are the links for it [19:49] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/score_surfaces/index.en.html [19:49] oh dammit [19:50] it will take ages to re-learn all these things [19:50] last link for exaple of a score surface of a paper spl/mov/mov/djn agaibnst a stone...where all possible kombo of the two steps are fought [19:51] looks like they (the scores) form a pattern [19:51] for whatever reason [19:52] yes...with that real data we want to create algorithms to get only good constants for optimizing.. [19:52] step-pairs where pstep2 = k*pstep1 are overwriting themself to early.. [19:53] good scores are represented with ... color? [19:53] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [19:53] hi [19:53] hi [19:53] the red area are the best score...click the picture to make it bigger. [19:54] ok, now i see it [19:54] so, basically there're steps that work best against one warrior [19:55] and there's a set of steps that do the same against other warrior [19:55] MSG: Quit: Kopete 0.9.0 : http://kopete.kde.org [19:55] Join: Metcalf joined #corewars [19:55] Hi [19:55] Lukasz, Hi :-) [19:55] Hi Johny boy [19:55] lol [19:56] I haven't seen you here for a long time. [19:56] i was to ask whether anyone from the old time veterans (except Christian about whom I know he's active) shows up here [19:56] *very* long time, actually [19:57] Join: Roy joined #corewars [19:57] Hi Roy [19:57] Lukasz! Metcalf! :) [19:57] Joy : [19:57] :) [19:57] lol [19:57] Will is sometime here too, and Phil Thorne [19:57] Joonas? [19:58] MIchal too. [19:58] Hi Roy [19:58] Joonas isn't here often :-( [19:58] brx/bvowk... [19:58] i guess he's a busy man, isn't he [19:58] I'm pleased I dropped in today, I was about to walk past the internet cafe! [19:58] How's life treating you? [19:59] The life, you mean [19:59] ok, i can bear it :-) [19:59] JM: Did you see Blacken>code on r.g.c [19:59] things look pretty fine, actually [19:59] No [19:59] Going to look now [19:59] roy: how did you come up with the constants? [19:59] looks like an impossible job for me [20:00] Well, Ian somehow retrieved the compiled code, and from there I can see which line is added, so what the constants are for the bomber [20:00] The hardest part was getting the imp boot right and the qscan (that last being a real pain in the *ss) [20:01] oh, and by the way, do you know that Winnie the Pooh is 79? [20:01] I guess you don't :-) [20:02] http://psc.disney.go.com/guestservices/8720.html <- first question [20:03] lol [20:03] Google knows everything, and 1921...thats not 79 years isnt it? [20:04] the first edition was printed in 1926 [20:04] they count the "age" of W-t-P from that day [20:05] * Roy forgot you where such a smart-ass, and W-t-P fan :) [20:05] * Metcalf only read The Tao of Pooh [20:05] hehe, actually i read that bit online a minute ago [20:09] So Lukasz, any warrior plans? :) [20:09] The hill is actualy lacking your name, thats been different in the past [20:10] that's been quite different, indeed [20:10] i really don't know, Roy. [20:10] So many things I've forgotten :-( [20:11] Actualy your name isn't on ANY hill (thats a big surprise) [20:12] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [20:12] Hi Will [20:12] it's been erm [20:12] two years? [20:12] Nah, not that long...(I think) maybe one? [20:12] Have you looked at the nano hill Lukasz. [20:12] it's been almost one and half an year since the wedding [20:12] The battle of the 5 line warriors - evolved vs. hand-written [20:13] You where still here when you went to Newcastle, when was that? [20:13] what's the link? [20:13] sal.koth.ualberta.ca? [20:13] yup [20:13] does not work [20:13] http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/hill.php?key=nano [20:14] nano is fun (ruled by JM and evolvers) and also tiny-lp [20:14] http://corewar.co.uk/nano.htm [20:14] of course, of course [20:14] JM is the KOTH :-) [20:14] hek [20:14] hello Lukasz! [20:14] keeping well? [20:14] hi willvarfa [20:14] too well, actually [20:14] :-) [20:15] too well? [20:15] about 30 pounds too well, yes [20:15] ah, martial bliss :-) [20:15] Lukasz, be sure to read our new CoreExplorer, the CoreWarrior for newbies like you ;-) [20:15] well fed, good [20:15] why, thank you willvarfa [20:15] Any kids in the two years..? (hey, its possible) [20:16] no, thank you also :-) [20:16] plenty of new names, I see [20:17] I was forced by brx [20:17] forced? [20:18] He told me about corewars again and again ... and so I was forced to play a bit with some instructions ;) [20:18] * lgrabun pats brx once again [20:18] brx told me you could be very good at this, better then JM and me... but you just lack the will to program :-) [20:19] me? [20:19] of course dummy :) [20:19] better that roy and john combined together [20:19] why not :-) [20:20] I'm lazy ... like him ;) But I don't think I'm creative enough to build nice warriors :/ [20:21] Nobody is, even Blacken was stolen and optimized (Ian told me today) [20:21] But those little incrementing steps make the warriors better and better, like a human evolver ;) [20:22] are emails harvested from koth? [20:22] Roy: the orginal strategy lines from Blacken aren't included in the copy you posted [20:22] Lukasz: use ;url http://www.grabun.com/ [20:22] I couldn't find the original strategy lines quickly, I just took the ones from the Hall of Fame [20:23] oh, thanks [20:23] I have them. I'll bring then next time I'm here. [20:24] then EQU them [20:24] Okidoki [20:25] I can't quite recall them exactly from memory, something like "the stone from Defender" [20:26] who is lgrabun [20:27] restricted data [20:27] wow.. Blacken is based on Nine Seven Six [20:27] it is the real grabun? [20:27] not a fake again? [20:28] To quote Ian: "What you may or may not noticed is the inspiration - Nine [20:28] Seven Six [20:28] by Myer Bremer - he seems to be where I steal most of my ideas from :) [20:28] Harmless Fluffy Bunny? [20:28] lukasz: Heh, Jens his warrior, pretty good paper, based on nPaperII [20:28] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:28] lgrabun: jens has introduced us to good warrior names too. [20:28] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [20:29] * brx reads the log [20:29] Jens is the proof that a good name can get you on average 3+ points extra on the hill ;-) [20:29] Roy: you lied [20:29] * Roy never lies :-O [20:29] (might not be true) [20:30] fiveop: brx said something like that, but he can't motivate you, so now I'm trying to do just that [20:32] I've to get a better "Diplom" then any other of my costudents [20:32] haven't got that much time :P [20:33] sigh, whats more important, a diplom or corewars :-) [20:34] the former [20:34] and i know what i say, belive me [20:34] okay, fiveop, Roy. here is the original excerpt. [20:35] lg: it was just a joke, of course its more important!! [20:35] well, you never can tell with cw, you know [20:35] * Roy can... its just a game [20:36] I've overcome a mmo addiction (perhaps :P), I'm immune [20:36] lol [20:36] * Roy had mmo/mud/cw addictions... but they never got in my 'school' addiction [20:36] immune [20:37] i could stay awake for nights and optimize constants [20:37]