[07:59] Join: sayembara joined #corewars [08:00] MSG: Client Quit [10:31] Join: caesar joined #corewars [10:32] hi [10:32] hi [10:32] how r u.brx [10:33] what's the"csec2005"? [10:34] a tournament [10:34] :) [10:34] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/ [10:34] try the link [10:34] ok [11:00] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [11:44] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [11:59] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:11] Join: datagram joined #corewars [12:36] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [12:38] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [12:38] MSG: Client Quit [12:47] Join: sf joined #corewars [12:47] Hi [12:50] Hey [12:50] hi sf [12:51] You're both in the tournament aren't you [12:51] I am looking forward to it [12:51] Yes [12:53] Brx: do you still live with fiveop? [12:53] sf: not anymore [12:53] why? [12:53] Aha, so it won't matter if you are allocated a one-on-one battle against him! [12:53] Otherwise you would have to take security measures :-) [12:54] heh [12:54] Who is X-Man? [12:54] I don't know. hey, my profile has been updated! [12:58] You're looking away! [12:58] I liked what I saw [13:00] so it is rather impossible to make a picture of me watching something I enjoy. [13:00] Someone who didn't mind getting web could have taking it [13:00] *wet [13:01] the observer changes the outcome of the experiment. just by being there the photographer is unable to take a picture of me in a certain state. tricky [13:01] and he did get wet :) [13:09] I seem to have a player profile too [13:10] verily [13:10] The stuff must have come from the who's who [13:10] * sf wonders when the who's who will be updated [13:13] When I registered I included my information for Fizmo, did you do that? [13:13] No [13:13] I didn't give him much, though, because I think it's better to not let others know what strategies I like : P [13:13] I like oneshots and scanners [13:13] datagram: true enough [13:13] Plus, I suck, so there's no good warriors of mine to note or anything [13:14] same here. [13:14] Though Simon is doing OK on 94m [13:14] Age 12-13 I believe [13:14] I'm not good at writing anything else [13:15] If you make the right choice, you can beat someone who has been playing corewar longer than you [13:15] I hope p-spacers aren't allowed. That will make one-on-one battles boring [13:15] I hope they will be allowed, then I'd have a really nice trick up on my sleeves against clears. [13:16] :-( [13:16] on the other hand, I am lazy. [13:16] I wouldn't be surprised if I dropped out in qualification [13:16] :-( [13:16] Unfortunately 5 players will [13:17] let's see...... [13:17] me, datagram, fiveop mmmh who else? :) [13:17] I suppose it depends which group you end up in [13:17] just kidding [13:18] of course [13:18] I don't even know how much time we'll have to write the warriors [13:18] 1 week I think [13:19] that's enough for those experienced pros to play out all their advantages :) [13:19] And they might still make the wrong choice. [13:19] If one of them chooses paper against my scanner, I win! [13:19] Even if their warrior is better overall [13:20] yes, but if they made the right choice the chance that they are going to fail is tiny [13:20] :) [13:21] (even if I chose to write a scanner and my opponent wrote a paper.. it is quite likely for me to fail) [13:22] interestingly none of my scanners are good against paper. [13:22] :-( [13:22] they are only good against other scanners [13:22] * brx chuckles [13:22] How about a oneshot [13:22] I think I could make an acceptable oneshot [13:23] If I qualify, the first think I'll do is look at my first opponents published warriors [13:23] what if you go up against me? for all it's worth, I am an enigma (tm) [13:23] ;) [13:23] They will surely write something with a strategy they are familiar with [13:25] I think I would write a oneshot [13:26] cool [13:26] because, given that I am rather naive about the nuances of specific strategies I am likely to write stones [13:26] We don't even know what the rules will be though. [13:26] ya [13:27] Fizmo might initialise the core with garbage, then oneshots wouldn't be much good [13:27] scanners generally.. [13:28] I don't think he would do that. it'd be a paper only round [13:28] :) [13:28] It has been done before [13:28] and? was it a paper only round? [13:28] I don't know what won [13:29] without scanners having merit, there would not be any reason to write stones.. [13:29] only paperkilling papers [13:29] :) [13:30] How about plain sd clear? [13:30] of course [13:31] Actually, I can think of the ideal warrior [13:31] CIA [13:31] what is cia again? [13:31] Bomber -> sd clear [13:32] mm [13:32] If the bomber hits something containing processes but something doesn't die off completely the it goes to sd clear [13:32] it would need to be good [13:34] well we'll see. [13:35] I am sure fizmo has some surprises for us [13:35] I hope so [13:37] maybe qualification is going to be a nano round! [13:38] now wouldn't that be fun? [13:39] I think I'm all right at nano [13:39] I published some warriors on my home page. I have one age over 100 now :-) [13:39] Join: Philb joined #corewars [13:40] Hi Phil [13:40] hello [13:40] Are you going to join the tournament? [13:40] Hi. CIA? Piltdown is better (my view) [13:40] I will have a look [13:40] No - very sadly as it seems like fun, but I don't have the time. [13:41] * caesar waved [13:41] MSG: Quit: GoodBye , My Friends... [13:41] has Fizmo made the draw? I guess not or you wouldn't have asked. [13:41] He makes it tomorrow [13:42] perhaps X-man is Ragman-X ? [13:42] Who is Ragman-X? [13:43] He wrote one of the warriors on the Wilkies benchmark. An Imp, I forget the name. [13:44] Make that a scanner. Porch Swing (Randy Graham) [13:46] Looking at is profile obvouyl not as has him starting cw in Oct 2005. Ii think that's fairly recent? [13:47] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [13:47] Hi Mizcu [13:48] hi miss q. [13:48] Hi Mizcu [13:48] hi peeps [13:49] This will be the first normal tournament for a lot of players [13:51] When people say achievements like "94nop KOTH" what do they mean? [13:52] They were on the hill or in first place? [13:52] Must mean in first place. [13:52] * Philb would expect that [13:52] Inversed had a 94nop KOTH? [13:53] probably not Datted [13:53] After a successful challenge or after a dat should count [13:53] Not after an unsuccessful challenge though [13:53] I've had KOTH on non-datted 'nop [13:54] I've never stayed on the 94nop hill for very long [13:55] I think I have only been king on the multiwarrior hill [13:57] Good-luck, I mean extreme cunning, for the tournament [13:57] * Philb waves [13:57] Part: Philb left #corewars [13:58] MSG: Quit: I don't like you. But Bersirc 2.2 does. Try it out now. [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [14:04] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [14:07] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:01] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [15:37] Part: elkauka left #corewars [16:04] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [16:04] hi [16:10] huhu [16:12] hi :) [16:27] be back soon [16:27] MSG: [16:30] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [16:31] MSG: Client Quit [16:31] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [16:33] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:39] Join: Moonwolf joined #corewars [16:46] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:55] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [16:55] back [16:55] hmm, I missed moonwolf [17:07] Join: sascha joined #corewars [17:09] Announcement of the Groups and the rules is tomoorow at 3pm german time ? [17:15] hi Sascha [17:15] yes, that is [17:15] Hi, very slow line today ;-) [17:15] heh [17:16] I hope i can be there... [17:16] but parallel announce on r.g.cw ? [17:16] I still prepare the qualificion round site ;-) [17:16] yes [17:17] i'm quite nervous...did you have all rules-sets together ? [17:17] The rules I may publish earlier, but the "group lottery" I'll do at 3pm [17:17] :) [17:17] hello Fizmo, sascha [17:17] Nick Change: brx_ changed nick to brx [17:17] hi brx... [17:18] just one is missing [17:18] what ? who ? [17:18] still working on the rules for the semi-finals [17:19] rules for all other rounds are ready [17:20] post it on private channel and i will help you - i'm sure i don't reach semi-final [17:20] I try to increase the complexitiy over the complete tournament [17:21] I think the rules for the finals will be the most complex but also most interesting one ;-) [17:25] still 21,5 player for the tournament [17:25] ,5? [17:26] player without keyboard [17:26] .. i see [17:28] got an email, but not sure if I interpret it right [17:29] have to go... [17:29] cu [17:29] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [17:29] so I'll add him with a questionmark for tomorrow, because not sure if he'll answer until monday [17:29] * brx waves! [17:36] phew, site is ready for tomorrow :) [17:37] good work, I am looking forward to it [17:40] thanks :) [17:40] :) [17:40] (so.. will you tell me the rules in advance? :) [17:42] Nick Change: fiveop_ changed nick to fiveop [17:46] ;-) [17:46] I think there isn't any advantage to know the rules a day earlier ;-) [17:47] perfect :) [17:49] perfect? [17:49] erhm [17:50] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [17:50] Hi [17:50] hi [17:50] I am just blabbering, don't mind me please as I am somewhat busy getting drunk and myself into prison :) [17:50] np. still busy too with some beer ;-) [17:51] How is going Nenad? [17:51] nice [17:51] some work on lp today [17:52] looking forward to the group lottery tomorrow :) [17:53] yes, I saw. Nice score :) [17:53] yes, I am too. I hope it will be quite equal groups good mixed with pros, semis and beginners [17:54] hopefully... [17:54] it is RANDOM, you know. [17:54] yes, it is random, everything can happen [17:56] nice s/i, btw [17:56] "bite the bullet" [17:56] thanks :) [17:56] I've got several s/i on hold, waiting for some more room on the hill [17:56] 4 of them, to be precise [17:57] I didn'T expected that it scores. I found this in one of my first optimax directories [17:57] just 500 Randries to get around 142 pts [17:58] quite uncommon stone, didn't remember where I got that [17:58] heh [17:58] I've got one "weird", too [17:58] I was experimenting a little with stones [17:59] score of 141, even though it doesn't go into coreclear phase [18:00] it hits almost every cell with a bomb, though, so it doesn't matter much [18:01] I've also got one similar in its functioning to Baseline, with a decent score of 143,2 (although not fully optimized) [18:02] have you seen Halcyon on 94nop Koenigstuhl? [18:02] Yes, that one in baseline is very nice [18:03] no?! I immediately look to it [18:03] no2 [18:03] WOW [18:04] after Halcyon, WaterDragon and Eccentric, you'll probably need to update your optimax bench fsh94nop list of warriors [18:04] Eccentric is published as well [18:05] yes, I urgently have to update the 94nop fsh [18:05] I've sent some of my warriors to C.Birk, too [18:05] but only as "test entries" [18:05] so they won't be published yet [18:06] I'll see how good they are, though [18:06] Lavos, CrashAndBurn, Starfall... [18:06] and Luxaeterna [18:07] hmm, I ought to publish also some of mine as well [18:08] Elven King, for instance... it died, so... [18:10] I'll do it soon ;-) [18:10] did you get any new applications for tomorrow? [18:11] or is it still 20 competitors? [18:11] 0.5 new [18:11] ? [18:11] got a feedback to my email promotion, but not sure if I interprete the email right [18:11] from whom? [18:11] will you say who it is? [18:12] so I asked him but response may come on monday [18:12] Sapan Bhatia [18:13] the maintainer of corewars.org [18:13] :( Lukasz Grabun didn't apply... [18:13] no, he's very sorry but can't participate [18:13] I thought that he might, after coming here a couple of days ago [18:13] sad. [18:13] yes ,it is :-/ [18:14] but I hope he will show up again [18:14] yes. I was misfortunate not to be here when he came. [18:14] I was also hoping for another redcoder form the past [18:15] but I got either no or negative answer :-( [18:16] Nenad: after he left irc me and roy were still chatting a little, roy was rather thrilled to see lukasz submit an entry to 94nop :) [18:17] brb [18:43] * Nenad waves [18:43] MSG: [18:43] * Fizmo waves as usual too late :-/ [19:11] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [19:11] hi [19:11] hi [19:11] how is going? [19:12] fine [19:12] vamps are still in top ten [19:14] :) [19:14] next goal seems to me reaching age 200 [19:19] yes [19:30] I'm quite optimistic that it can reach 200 [19:35] Join: michal joined #corewars [19:35] hi Michal [19:36] hi [19:36] Join: sascha joined #corewars [19:36] how is going? [19:36] back again... [19:36] hi Sascha [19:36] hi... [19:37] just got my irc client fixed [19:37] and waiting for cwset :) [19:38] :) [19:38] I am nearly ready for tomorrow [19:38] rgc announcement is prepared [19:39] website is prepared for uploading tomorrow [19:39] hm [19:40] it would be nice to have a direct link to cwset on corewar.info [19:40] possibly as a 'topnews' [19:40] oh yes, that's a good idea [19:44] done [19:44] I am wondering why I haven'T done that earlier :-/ [19:51] just had a thought [19:53] If we'd take a bunch of warriors and mark down the times every match was won, the results, atleast i think, would on average have highest positions in two sweet-spots [19:53] One earlier, one very late (when scanners switch to their end-game) [19:55] If one would take a paper, and and calculate how many of each silk in paper-struct would've been run in total at the sweet-spot, you would get at a percentual result of which step-size would have most probable effect on results [19:55] And that result could be used in fine-tuning the temperature of simulated anneling [19:56] And by each silk in a paper-struct, i mean including their offspring and the relative position of silk in a paper. [19:56] I think the earlier ones are because of auickscan and lucky hits, while the later one dependes of good constants [19:56] how does a non silk paper look like? [19:57] curptr mov #6, #6 [19:57] add.a #1113, newptr [19:57] loop mov jmn loop, curptr [19:57] spl @curptr,}curptr+1 [19:57] newptr jmz 7347, *0 [19:57] end loop [19:58] thanks [19:58] as an example for a paper under LP hill conditions (max. processes of just 8) [19:58] each runs with a single process [19:59] but there are also some which runs multiple processes, suitable for 94nop hill [20:01] I dont really think about the earlier ones being that important [20:02] no, they aren't [20:03] I think they will mainly depend on the used -f number [20:10] * elkauka waves [20:11] Part: elkauka left #corewars [20:19] Part: michal left #corewars [20:23] I will go now [20:23] * Fizmo waves [20:23] MSG: [20:28] 63 57 80 against SOV with a hyper-aggressive paper with weak stone.. [20:29] o.k, time to sleep..get some before to tomorrow when the sleepless cwset-time begins... [20:29] * sascha waves [20:29] Part: sascha left #corewars [20:30] I will just wait until it is 3 pm [20:30] no need for sleep. [20:30] (it's more fun that way.) [22:11] MSG: Quit: humhum [22:29] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:43] Join: datagram joined #corewars