[02:00] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [02:18] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:43] Join: caesar joined #corewars [10:43] Join: brx joined #corewars [10:53] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [11:23] Join: michal joined #corewars [11:36] Join: Roy joined #corewars [11:55] let's see how many people will arrive during the next hour ;) [11:55] I hope a lot :-) [11:55] I [11:55] I'm already testing with 3800 size ;-) [11:56] 3800 size? [11:56] The rules for this round, see r.g.c [11:56] pmars -s 3800 -c 38000 -p 3800 -l 38 -d 38 -r 380 [11:56] Round robin, in the qualification [11:58] PIN? [11:59] No PIN, no Pspace [11:59] Thank god, not so much to worry about [12:00] hm [12:01] is thjere any friendly optimax tutorial? [12:01] I have problems with using this beast [12:01] and getting it to run with fmars [12:03] err no idea about a tutorial, there is some about it on fizmo's site [12:03] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [12:03] Hi everyone! [12:03] hi [12:04] Roy: what's PIN? :P [12:04] PIN is...err.. a way to communicate/share PIN numbers [12:04] uh P-Space [12:04] If two warriors have the same 'PIN' number, they have the same p-space [12:05] they are married [12:06] Roy: when should we publish the next CE issue? Next weekend? [12:07] Err.. probably I don't have any time this week, a lot of work to do :( [12:08] oh [12:08] rules! [12:09] :) [12:12] when will the entries be due? [12:12] oh, one week [12:12] * brx goes fetch breakfast [12:13] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [12:14] hi [12:14] hi! [12:14] the rules are on rgc [12:14] go have a look [12:16] first round? [12:16] yes [12:17] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [12:17] hi [12:17] hi Fizmo [12:17] hi fizzer [12:18] Nenad: Sorry, I had that wrong in mind :-/ [12:18] never mind :) [12:18] btw, I've just sent you preliminary prognosis. [12:18] for the final rankings [12:18] I'll correct that n r.g.c. soon [12:19] What was wrong..? (hi fizmo!) [12:20] I wrongly stated Neo with the idea, but I got that from Nenad [12:20] Ah ok [12:20] So, Big thanks to Nenad for the idea [12:20] :) [12:22] well, a little more than half an hour now until the groups are determined... [12:22] but the rules suggest that anything will be possible in this round [12:24] Ok, I'm making a list too..! [12:24] * elkauka too [12:25] I'll make a list too [12:26] * Roy is afk for a little while, going to watch the A1 race [12:26] (go holland!) [12:30] hi,how can i load a dll in mirc:) anybody know that [12:33] interesting how different the prognosis of just 3 persons (Nenad, Roy, me) are [12:34] did you got my list? [12:34] yes, arrived [12:34] ok...i think i slove the probrem by slef [12:35] * elkauka uses no mirc - kopete rules! [12:35] Fizmo: do you have a prelimunairy average list? [12:36] no yet [12:36] just collected the lists now [12:37] 23min left [12:37] Fizmo: use excel, or something like that. you can calculate it in a min. [12:38] and update it just as easily [12:39] still preparing an excel file [12:39] ;-) [12:39] Join: sf joined #corewars [12:39] Hi all [12:39] hi sf [12:39] the rules are at rgc [12:40] Rules? [12:40] and you need to send to Fizmo your list of expected final rankings [12:40] yes. rules for qualification round [12:41] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/quali.htm [12:43] :-) [12:43] I'd like to be in groups A or B :) larger hills are more stable in terms of a chosen strategy [12:44] Heh, me too [12:45] But in bigger groups you have the change of being 5th and being knocked out (right?) [12:45] How many entrants now? [12:45] oh. so in C and D you can't fall out? [12:46] I don't think so, those nr.4 continue [12:46] heh... that's a little unfair... maybe if 6 no4 + no5 would be roundrobinned together to see who falls out... [12:47] That would be better yes, Fizmo..? [12:49] 22 palyer [12:49] two groups with 6 player and two groups with 5 player [12:49] oh. yes. [12:50] so in every group someone falls out [12:50] yes [12:50] and in A and B 2 of them [12:50] yes [12:50] Join: sascha joined #corewars [12:50] Join: Philb joined #corewars [12:50] hi [12:50] hi Sascha, fiveop [12:50] hi [12:50] So is it better to be in a smaller group with a 20% chance of falling out or a bigger group with 33% chance of falling out [12:50] Hi cw-maniacs... [12:50] hmm, I think it will depend on you opponents [12:50] Hi Sacha, Philb [12:50] Hi Philb [12:51] Hi Sascha, sf ... everyone [12:51] 15 people here, nice :-) we want more! [12:51] sascha, Philb: the rules are at rgc [12:51] 9min left [12:51] Got the first preliminary prognosis (4 players sent me his lists) [12:51] ok. show it [12:51] I'm here for the lottery [12:51] I have my ticket! [12:52] hey [12:52] back :) [12:52] hi brx. [12:52] What do you want fizmo, predictions for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place? [12:52] for all of them [12:52] 1-22 [12:52] for all [12:53] Christian: did you see the comment in the logs about calculating 2nd and 3rd place? [12:53] omg :) [12:53] 22nd is Sapan Bhatia but with a questionmark so far [12:53] sf: no [12:53] Only one Warrior per round ? [12:53] yes [12:54] for all people. when do you want them fiz? [12:54] yes, only one warrior [12:54] hmm -l 38...pretty short.. [12:54] 38 lines is more then enough IMO [12:54] brx: during this week [12:54] Without a qscan almost no warriors are bigger then 38 lines [12:55] Roy: who says you can't have a qscan? :) [12:55] :) [12:55] 33lines? [12:55] Fizmo: continue with the list, please [12:55] Nobody says you can't have that, but that takes quite a few lines :-) [12:56] well, there are tiny qscans [12:56] There is a qscan in 5 lines on the nano hill [12:56] 38 lines is enough for a stone + Q3 [12:57] * brx is anxious [12:58] Fizmo: the list? [12:58] Ok, no-one likes a stone+Q3. Q4 for stone :) [12:58] 1 min left [12:58] well, the choice of strategy will be the greatest problem [12:59] p switch [12:59] no pspace [12:59] read the rules... [12:59] or did I remember wrong? [12:59] p space is allowed(even pin) [12:59] :) [13:00] no p-space is not allowed ;-) [13:00] p-space: disallowed [13:00] [13:01] ok, my wife is ready to give me the 'tickets(?)' [13:01] They will be round robin assigned to the groups [13:01] * brx sends a silent prayer to heaven [13:01] Let's start with the fist player for Group A [13:01] ok [13:02] brx [13:02] first in Group A is brx [13:02] brx: The prayer helped, got picked first ;-) [13:02] .. [13:02] * brx bows [13:03] first in Group B is German Labarga [13:03] Roy: oh screw you :P [13:03] Isn't moonwolf taking part? Moonwolf was here [13:03] Predictions sent ;-) [13:03] first in group C is Roy van Rijn [13:04] ok. so we don't want to be in that group [13:04] C... the poule of death :-O [13:04] first in group D is John K. Lewis [13:04] I imagine a poule with me/John/Simon/Michal :-( [13:04] Roy: heh [13:05] second in Group A is Michal Janeczek [13:05] michal wants to be in D. [13:05] that lazy man [13:05] NO [13:05] second in group B is Will Varfar [13:05] :) [13:05] second in Group C is LAchi [13:06] second in group D is el kauka [13:06] Join: michal2 joined #corewars [13:06] third in group A is X-man [13:07] third in group B is Jens Gutzeit [13:07] third in group C is inversed [13:08] third in group D is Chip Wendell [13:08] /me sighs [13:08] fourth in group A is Sascha Zapf [13:09] fourth in group B is datagram [13:09] fourth in group C is Simon Wainwright [13:10] fourth in group D is Mizcu [13:10] fifth in group A is Nenad Tomasev [13:10] (sigh) [13:11] heh. [13:11] fifth in goup B is John Metcalf [13:11] Part: michal2 left #corewars [13:11] fifth in group C is fiveop [13:12] fifth in group D is Zul Nadzri [13:12] heh [13:12] sixth in group A is S. Fernandes [13:12] sixth in group B is Sapan Bhatia [13:13] Group A - brx, Michal, X-Man, Sascha, Nenad, S. Fernandes [13:13] Group B - German, Will, Jens, datagram, John M, Sapan [13:13] As good sf :-) [13:13] Group C - Roy, LAchi, Inversed, Simon, Fiveop [13:13] Group D - John K L, El Kauka, Chip, Mizcu, Zul [13:13] (wanted to say:) aahh, good sf [13:13] Looks like I might not have a chance :-( [13:13] * Roy fears Simon :-( [13:14] Sascha and Michal ... tough group [13:14] It is better to be in the group with those you fear [13:14] Because you won't come up against them again until the final [13:14] sf. [13:14] brx, sf: good luck [13:14] sf: you don't have a chance? oh please. :) [13:14] nenad, sascha michal. this is going to be fun. [13:15] interesting groups [13:15] Group D might be the closest I think, intresting group [13:15] brx: My oldest warrior on 94nop was about 10 [13:15] sf: so was mine. at most. [13:15] and I *do not remember* which one it was [13:15] And I am in a groups where 2 players will be knocked out :-( [13:16] yes [13:16] when I read my name coming out first I just knew it. [13:16] no need to get nervous. you still have pretty good chances [13:16] brx: Going by hill performance, that is between me, X-Man(?) and you [13:16] sf: yes. [13:17] although I might be able to irritate michal enough to worsen his performance I do not think that will be enough [13:17] ;) [13:17] but try that anyway :) [13:18] from group a me and brx will be knocked off [13:18] I'll optimize my strategy to take him with me [13:18] ok, you want to see the preliminary expectations list? [13:18] yeah [13:18] * Nenad thinks that michal has a good sense of humor [13:18] so he won't annoy you [13:18] Fizmo: of course [13:19] MSG: Quit: GoodBye , My Friends... [13:19] how many players gave you the lists so far? [13:19] 4 so far [13:19] Did you get mine? [13:20] what are you talking about? [13:20] Will ther list published beofre cwset ends ? [13:20] michal: ;) [13:20] * brx compiles the list [13:20] you want them per mail I suppose? [13:20] these expectation lists? [13:20] but there is one more I haven't used [13:20] yes [13:20] michal: a list of expected final rankings - you should send ti to Fizmo [13:20] *it [13:21] I think after the groups are know its easier to guess who will go on to the top... [13:21] well, I'm not sure. [13:22] Roy van Rijn 1,75 [13:22] Chip Wendell 4,25 [13:22] John Metcalf 4,25 [13:22] Nenad Tomasev 5,00 [13:22] Michal Janeszek 6,25 [13:22] Zul Nadzri 7,25 [13:22] Sascha Zapf 7,75 [13:22] German Labarga 8,25 [13:22] Jens Gutzeit 9,75 [13:22] el kauka 10,25 [13:22] LAchi 10,50 [13:22] Simon Wainwright10,75 [13:22] Mizcu 12,50 [13:22] Will Varfar 12,50 [13:22] John K. Lewis 13,00 [13:22] S. Fernandes 16,25 [13:22] fiveop 16,50 [13:22] brx 16,75 [13:22] inversed 17,00 [13:22] datagram 19,50 [13:22] X-man 21,00 [13:22] Damn, the pressure! :-o [13:22] :) [13:22] that is chance of win 1:nn [13:22] :) [13:22] Roy: haha :) [13:23] Roy is favourite! [13:23] will this table be actuallized with each list you get ? Fizzer ? [13:23] well, yes [13:23] The odds for inversed look good if we are making bets - 17 to 1 [13:24] o.k, just looking at the scheduler and will type my list, that's quite a little bit of fun... [13:24] Part: Philb left #corewars [13:25] yes, and taking a look at some past tournament's results [13:25] Where is the profile of sapan ? [13:25] don't know him - or nickname ? [13:26] He played years ago and owns corewars.org [13:27] no profile prepared so far :-/ [13:27] will come soon [13:27] well based on the predictions one could count the strength of each group [13:27] heh. that would be fun [13:27] calculate* [13:28] the average strength, that is [13:28] Two people in my group have a lower prediction! [13:28] sf: see :) [13:28] All people in my group are lower :-( [13:28] (j/k) [13:29] Roy: so, if you don't win, you'll disappoint us all :) [13:29] Sorry people, I'll do my best! [13:30] All four opponents might conspire together Roy, watch out [13:30] Roy: If you'll be 1st the next mach would be against the 4th of group B [13:30] will varfar? [13:31] Maybe John Metcalf, Neo, Jens, Will [13:31] :) [13:32] heh, second round: Roy van Rijn vs. John Metcalf [13:32] elkauka: so, my group competes against your in the 1/8 finals [13:32] Noooo :-O [13:32] What if a one-on-one battle is a dead tie? [13:33] it won't be... probably... [13:33] I'll let it run until a winner is declared [13:33] and what if that can't happen? [13:34] like mov0,1 vs mov 0,1 [13:34] Maybe you should install a margin, if the scores are close (lets say within 0,5%) it'll be run with more rounds, and that until -F is reached [13:34] michal: so, submit an imp, then [13:34] lol [13:34] I would be happy about it [13:34] Roy: that's what I've planned [13:35] if both warriors submit dat 0,0? [13:35] Nenad: we meet in the second round if you do 4th place :)))))) [13:35] even better! [13:35] :))) [13:35] Someone in my group submit dat 0,0 [13:35] I won't be expecting it so you'll catch me by surprise [13:35] got my list [13:35] sf: you can try dat Sorry, not going to fall for that one! [13:36] Err Nenad: you can't kill with that :-) [13:36] well, you can [13:36] You'll die instantly [13:36] I'd dies before the opponent executed the decremented line [13:36] The other won't have time to die before you [13:36] :( [13:36] yes. true [13:37] then for 38 nop {a, :) [13:37] Okay, so who in my group wants to conspire against Nenad? We'll calculate between us what to submit ;-) [13:38] I want to [13:38] so, tell me what you'll send to kill me [13:38] Okay, that's one. Anyone else? [13:38] I won't double-cross you, honest! [13:38] CLP [13:38] then I'll try to kill myself better :) [13:39] * brx raises his hand [13:39] then you should send the dat {a, I hope there are going to be great surprises [13:39] I don't [13:39] would be reat if x-man wins :) [13:39] and Roys finishes last :) [13:39] :P [13:39] like nenad dropping out together with michal [13:39] heh :) [13:39] as an absolute beginner I wouldn't expect that x-man wins [13:40] fizzer: do you place the expected results list on your page? [13:40] I'm glad I'm not in group C [13:40] I would like best to be in C [13:40] maybe fiveop wants to switch groups? :) [13:40] Would be fun to see how good the list is compared to the results, and which player is closest to the real results [13:41] you [13:41] No, which prediction it closest [13:41] Yeah I so am going to newb out [13:41] I predicted myself at 4.. [13:41] I can't even play on a normal core :P [13:41] Aren't you taking part Christian? [13:41] Someone else could run your battles [13:41] oh. well, mine looks pretty much like the average list [13:41] yes, join group C :) [13:41] What are the odds against me passing the first round [13:42] 1:19,5 [13:42] are the final odds [13:42] same here sf [13:42] I would love to be in C [13:42] and yes [13:42] please swap with fiveop [13:42] :P [13:42] Roy: I predicted you to be at 4 too [13:42] Datagram I think you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting through qualification [13:42] Fizmo: you've got some new lists. Show us the average scores updated now [13:43] Fizmo: Right away please! [13:43] *average ratings expectations [13:43] I have a busy ass week, too [13:43] Fizzer has more to do then the players... [13:43] datagram: you're not the only one [13:43] my mail's out too [13:44] first i must solve the "how get i good steps against unused settings" - problem [13:44] I am finishing a security audit for a company + making travel plans for next month + school [13:44] sascha: you can't [13:44] good steps in general you can [13:44] ok, time for the second A1 race [13:44] but since there are only a few opponents.. [13:44] lets see if the Netherlands can improve! [13:45] Fizmo: got my mail? [13:45] Sascha: convert several warriors to coresize 3800 and optimize them all against each other. [13:45] not yet [13:45] Then use them as a benchmark [13:45] sf: a good proposal, if you have a lot of time [13:45] * brx glares at sf. [13:46] I don't have a lot of time for this round :( a couple of hours testing at most [13:46] * sf suddenly feels more confident [13:46] enough for some 20 test warriors, not more [13:47] :) [13:47] :) [13:47] Fizmo: do we get to see individual players predictions? So we can keep track of who was closest? [13:48] sf: probably best to keep them anonymous [13:48] sf: hope not :) [13:48] At least I will be able to see if my opponent underestimates me [13:48] Fizmo: copy/paste the updated predictions here as soon as you finish. :) we're anxious to see them [13:49] ok :) [13:50] sf: you're actually a little higher in my list than in average [13:50] Nenad: you too in my list [13:52] * sf waves [13:52] MSG: Quit: "Help! I've been g:lined from my mIRC!!" Bersirc 2.2: less n00bs [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [13:52] * Nenad waves to sf [13:53] is there a linux version of corewin (at least the name says "no") [13:54] Join: Jens joined #corewars [13:54] Hi [13:54] hi jens [13:54] I assume, I have missed all the fun [13:55] Jens: yes [13:55] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/quali.htm [13:55] Jens: I was pulled out of the hat *first* [13:55] Unfortunately I couldn't earlier [13:55] *come earlier [13:56] I am interested in your group's results [13:56] ? [13:57] Jens: see above link, you are in group B. the second group with 2 people dropping out. [13:57] * Jens is now reading everything, he's missed [13:57] Hi Jens [13:58] jens that gonna be alot :) [13:58] * Jens can read fast [13:58] Jens'll go to the next stage... [13:58] Hi Jens, tough group. John, German and Will.. [13:59] sascha: well, also two beginners there, so [13:59] Yep, you're right... [13:59] Fizmo: I've got to go in 5 mins, so please c/paste the current updated prediction list before I go [14:00] sascha: yes, it is a tough group. I'm a member of it ;-) [14:00] Jens: you might end up fighting Roy [14:00] hmm [14:00] Attention: here is the next prediction: [14:00] Roy van Rijn 2,2 [14:00] Chip Wendell 3,3 [14:00] John Metcalf 4,2 [14:00] Michal Janeszek 5,0 [14:00] Nenad Tomasev 6,3 [14:00] Zul Nadzri 6,8 [14:00] German Labarga 7,0 [14:00] Sascha Zapf 7,5 [14:00] LAchi 10,2 [14:00] Simon Wainwright 10,8 [14:00] Will Varfar 11,7 [14:00] Jens Gutzeit 11,8 [14:00] John K. Lewis 11,8 [14:00] Mizcu 12,3 [14:00] el kauka 12,8 [14:00] brx 15,5 [14:00] S. Fernandes 16,0 [14:00] inversed 16,2 [14:00] fiveop 17,0 [14:00] datagram 19,5 [14:00] X-man 20,2 [14:01] damn, i lost some places [14:01] me too [14:01] Heh. it would be fun to see the predicitons after each round :) [14:01] Fizmo: What is that? [14:02] Jens: player predictions [14:02] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:02] Jens: you're 12th atm [14:02] Jens: each player gives a prediction of who wins [14:02] anyone wants to compile group strength predictions? [14:02] ah [14:02] above is the average [14:02] of all predictions [14:03] our group has 11.75 [14:03] A: 11.75 [14:04] and the other groups? [14:04] Jens: Maybe you could also prepare a prediction table for all player [14:04] well, Sapan isn't predicted [14:04] but without him: [14:04] B: 10.84 [14:05] C:11.28 [14:05] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:05] D: D: 9.34 [14:06] so D is the toughest [14:06] good we have brx in our group [14:06] ;) [14:06] thanks to hear that [14:06] :) [14:06] it seems that A and B are the easiest by that score, but we have two players dropping off [14:07] I've got to go [14:07] * Nenad waves [14:07] MSG: [14:07] cu [14:07] to late [14:08] Fizmo: got my mail? [14:09] gee, i have the lowest prdicted score in my group [14:09] * elkauka is scared [14:10] me too ;) [14:10] fiveop: yes [14:11] Attention: next prediction [14:11] Roy van Rijn 2,4 [14:11] John Metcalf 4,1 [14:11] Chip Wendell 4,3 [14:11] Michal Janeszek 4,6 [14:11] Nenad Tomasev 5,5 [14:11] Zul Nadzri 6,9 [14:11] German Labarga 7,1 [14:11] Sascha Zapf 7,1 [14:11] LAchi 10,0 [14:11] Simon Wainwright 10,3 [14:11] Jens Gutzeit 11,1 [14:11] John K. Lewis 11,4 [14:11] Mizcu 11,5 [14:11] Will Varfar 12,5 [14:11] el kauka 13,1 [14:11] inversed 14,4 [14:11] S. Fernandes 15,3 [14:11] brx 15,8 [14:11] fiveop 17,4 [14:11] datagram 19,0 [14:11] X-man 19,9 [14:11] now it contains predictions from 8 players [14:12] yay [14:12] soon I'll be on top :) [14:13] first eight places are quite near to my prediction... [14:15] Join: sayembara joined #corewars [14:16] the last prediction for today: [14:16] Roy van Rijn 2,2 [14:16] John Metcalf 3,9 [14:16] Chip Wendell 4,3 [14:16] Michal Janeszek 5,1 [14:16] Nenad Tomasev 5,7 [14:16] Zul Nadzri 6,5 [14:16] hi..am I too late? :) [14:16] Sascha Zapf 7,0 [14:16] German Labarga 7,7 [14:16] Simon Wainwright 10,2 [14:16] Jens Gutzeit 10,2 [14:16] LAchi 10,8 [14:16] John K. Lewis 11,9 [14:16] Mizcu 12,3 [14:16] Will Varfar 12,6 [14:16] el kauka 12,9 [14:16] inversed 14,3 [14:16] brx 14,9 [14:16] S. Fernandes 15,6 [14:16] fiveop 17,1 [14:16] datagram 19,1 [14:16] X-man 20,0 [14:16] Hi Zul [14:16] just a hour too late [14:16] Hi Fizmo..please proceed .. I know. [14:17] In the players predictions for the tournament win you're on 6th position [14:18] Wow... quite high. I am not good at prediction [14:20] You're in Group D together with John K. Lewis, el kauka, Chip Wendell and Mizcu [14:20] o.k, have to go......cu on battlefield.... [14:20] * sascha waves [14:20] cu sascha [14:20] * Fizmo waves [14:20] :) [14:20] see ya sasscha [14:20] Part: sascha left #corewars [14:21] hehe ... I think, that I have read now everything ... [14:21] michal: I will see you fall. [14:21] sayem: The groups and rules are: [14:22] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/quali.htm [14:22] Fizmo: How about using a fixed F-value ;-) [14:22] Group D is a very challenging group! I'll visit and read the rules ..just minute... [14:22] Jens... or -f ? [14:24] hmm ... I think, I have a better idea. We sould officially introduce ;I_am_John_Metcalf [14:24] That way everybody, who uses it, would instantly win ;-) [14:24] I has been a secret too long. I has to be made publicly know [14:25] *known [14:25] Fizmo..for qualification round...is it round robin....doesn't stated anywhere. [14:25] I has? :P [14:25] jens is john? hmm... [14:26] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:26] sayembara: It is meant to confuse the MARS, but not to change my name ;-) [14:26] sayem: Yes you're right. I forgotten to copy that part [14:26] 3800 core.... no warrior to fight, no warrior to cut&paste *duh* [14:27] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:27] Fizmo: Do you have any plans for releasing the source of the warriors? [14:27] Jens...I see...if name==john, win instantly :) [14:28] one can use existing warriors and adjust them to coresize. But which to use: tiny hill or 94nop hill warriors ;-) [14:28] That is the other way, but my current theory is, that every MARS is quite confused, when it realizes, that the warrior is written by JM [14:28] Fizmo.... no problem..easily inferred [14:29] Jens: something to do with his alias maybe ("corechild") maybe the mars feels some paternal affection [14:29] Jens, nice theory. I would produce another MARS. If name==zul, shift win probability toward zul [14:30] sayembara: hehe ... currently I'm writing on a MARS, but I don't think it will contain such "limitations" [14:30] sayem: refresh the page: I included that with round robin and fixed the typo in your name [14:31] brx: Maybe the MARS is simply annoyed by the mass of challenges. I remeber to get more than 60 challenges for 94nop by JM on ONE day [14:31] heh [14:31] brx: The MARS is so annoyed, it simple doesn't bother to lets the warriors fight and JM win [14:32] fizmo...the 'round robin' is there :) [14:36] fizmo....a one one warrior this time? normal practice is two warrior submission [14:37] just one warrior [14:37] may be should write it on the page...just in case [14:37] i feel the pressure already... :) [14:37] yes, that would be good. Thanks :) [14:38] I'll post this additionally also on r.g.c. [14:38] good idea [14:39] please post the latest predictions too [14:40] my group-mates are here ! [14:40] * Roy is back... [14:40] The Dutch driver just knocked out the german car ;-) [14:41] lol [14:41] Hi Roy! [14:41] it's an omen [14:41] my group"mates" are gone [14:42] brx: Congrats, now you are the winner ;-) [14:42] now you have to pay for the service [14:42] brx...they have started testing warriors..what are you doing here ;) [14:42] sayembara: I can always pay michal to let me through [14:42] :) [14:42] sayembara: Researching the various things to confuse a MARS to let him win ;-) [14:43] has anybody really exploited a mars bug to get koth in the past? [14:43] You should ask JM about djn.f-stream :) [14:44] elkauka: What about the big hill-wipe :-O [14:44] jens I hope I can use , temporarily, the name John in this round robin [14:44] roy:big hill wipe? [14:44] sayembara: You have to take another factor into account. Always choose a good name for the warrior. That way you can also win. [14:44] wiping the big hill...that is my favourite hill [14:45] sayembara: I've tested this theory several times on 94nop and it has always worked for me [14:45] elkauka, there is something about it on Metcalfs website (old logs) [14:45] thx [14:45] It was before my time... [14:45] jens good name? like 'anything for a rich girl' [14:46] according to corewar.co.uk : "dark return of test" ought to be a good name :) [14:46] sayembara: No, JM doesn't choose good names. Just think of his "t.a.t.u.-girls rule" [14:46] hehe [14:47] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [14:47] hi Mizcu [14:47] hi b [14:47] already checked your group? [14:47] hi [14:47] nada yet [14:48] heh [14:48] sayembara: http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine94nop/2003/01/18/10/07/57.en.html [14:50] yuck.... don't like that warrior name...ugly [14:50] elkauka/sayembara: Just take "Harmless Fluffy Bunny". Everybody thinks, it is just a little cute bunny. And on top of that it is also harmless AND fluffy. What else can you wish for? [14:50] HFB is an almost perfect name for a good warrior :) [14:51] err ... did I mention, that it is one of my warriors ;-) [14:51] jens , if i have a warrior on that hill, i command it to beat any bunnies [14:52] Try that and you will loose. Fluffy things are unbeatable! [14:52] i just can't beat Roy's warriors on that hill....tough [14:52] jens i surrender for now..can't stay on that hill..too hot for me [14:52] hehe [14:54] i have to go now..want to create some theories before creating some test warriors. my group is tough! [14:55] Time to go ... maybe I'm back later [14:55] * Jens waves [14:55] Part: Jens left #corewars [14:55] MSG: Quit: until [14:56] I wouldnt say so.. [14:56] Mizcu: my group is tough :( [14:57] Mizcu: they are already making fun of me! [14:57] Blueberry tasting energy-drink, =/ [14:58] brx: will and datagram in same group with Neo and Met, quit complaining [14:59] that's four people! [14:59] * brx is afraid of nenad [14:59] miz and me have to face chip. thats tough! [14:59] look at me.. I am shivering :) [15:00] I got somewhat easy group ¬_¬ [15:00] elkauka: he thinks your group is easy. :) [15:01] brx, surrender now and spare yourself shame of defeat! [15:01] brx: you only need to beat FatalC and X-Man or Zapf, no big deal [15:01] it's not too late [15:01] Mizcu: I will beat xman. fatalc I am not sure about [15:02] given that michal drops out as 5th, I might have a chance [15:02] ;) [15:02] * elkauka is still sure x-man wins the tourney :) [15:02] michal: you of all people I fear the least [15:02] michal: your fever-induced trance will not get you far [15:03] you will be defeated [15:03] I see it [15:03] I can already see you making excuses for not making qualification :) [15:03] * brx pats michal on the head [15:04] My whole goal is just passing qualifiers [15:04] I know I won't make round 1 [15:04] Mizcu: at least you don't have any trashtalking michals in *your* group ;) [15:04] I speak only the truth [15:04] michal: it's your fever again. [15:04] heed the warning and go no further! [15:05] lol [15:05] first time we got trolls in here. here is you fish guys: <°)>>>< [15:05] I've calculated based on the predictions the group strength [15:05] Group A: 11.38 [15:06] Group B: 10.70 [15:06] Group C: 10.92 [15:06] Group D: 9.58 [15:06] Group D is a very hard group.. Fizmo, you could also calculate the difference between people in the groups [15:07] Michal Janeczek 5,1 [15:07] Nenad Tomasev 5,7 [15:07] Sascha Zapf 7,0 [15:07] brx 14,9 [15:07] S. Fernandes 15,6 [15:07] X-man 20,0 [15:07] Hmm, there was a few years ago speech about corewars-gambling ;) [15:07] Anybody wanna place bets ?;) [15:08] Heh, you won't make money betting on me, even if god forbidden I'll win :-) [15:08] John Metcalf 3,9 [15:08] German Labarga 7,7 [15:08] Jens Gutzeit 10,2 [15:08] Will Varfar 12,6 [15:08] datagram 19,1 [15:08] Sapan Bhatia -.- [15:08] Group C [15:08] Roy van Rijn 2,2 [15:08] Simon Wainwright 10,2 [15:08] LAchi 10,8 [15:08] inversed 14,3 [15:08] fiveop 17,1 [15:09] michal: just watch and learn [15:09] Chip Wendell 4,3 [15:09] Zul Nadzri 6,5 [15:09] John K. Lewis 11,9 [15:09] Mizcu 12,3 [15:09] el kauka 12,9 [15:10] quite close to miz [15:10] Roy: you seems the big favourite in Group C [15:11] Yes, big gap.. good to hear, I'll probably make the second round [15:12] well, we'll see in a week how good these predictions are [15:12] I like how I gimp into 5th [15:12] I have to make 4th to stay in don't I [15:12] yes [15:12] Damnit [15:13] I'm going to like, make a bunch of crappy warriors to beat up [15:13] I am barely on 4. but I believe those predictions to be skewed really. [15:13] So I feel good about myself [15:13] about me there is next to no sample data for example ;) [15:13] I intentionally left it blank [15:13] well, if you get fourth it seems that you'll meet Roy van Rijn in the second round [15:14] Yeah that's sad [15:14] Where's seeding when I need it [15:14] Fizmo: and I might meet wendell [15:15] datagram: just think of it as early chances to wreak havoc with the prediction list :) [15:15] I'm going to have to mail all of my group sleeping gas envelopes [15:15] And knock them out for 2 weeks [15:15] By then they'll all disqualify themselves [15:15] Fizmo: will those lists be updated when the first people drop out? :) [15:17] maybe for each round you all could send a new prediction with the remaining player [15:17] * brx nods [15:17] I would update that [15:18] Would be interesting to see the changes over the complete event [15:19] If i get last on group 4, i will meet either Nenad or Michal.. [15:19] good luck then :) [15:20] good luck miz :) [15:22] if you kick me off miz, we meet each other one-o-one at ET [15:23] ET? [15:23] return to castle wolfenstein: enemy territory [15:23] And if i get first, i might meet Brx and he knows me too well for me to outsmart him [15:24] Mizcu: I might rank higher than 4th. it depends. [15:24] Hmm, maybe CS, so that I can at least make a non-cw one-o-one with someone;-) [15:24] Mizcu: but of course you are right. I can read you :) [15:24] michal: I can read you too. stop grinning. [15:29] you only think you can [15:29] but your fate is sealed [15:31] I have not yet decided if I am going to pay you [15:31] Not much chat about group C yet, I'm glad about that ;) [15:32] Roy, you're doomed [15:33] Not this first round, I'm well prepared, I have a good benchmark now [15:33] I have the worst headache : / [15:35] If you would ask me in which group I would like to add myself, it would be a tough decision [15:35] I think my group is probably the best for you Fizmo.. [15:35] Fizmo is allowed to play? [15:36] but he can see everyone else's warrior code : P [15:36] no, I don't participate :-/ [15:36] I will hold one so you can play and I can sit out [15:36] Deal? [15:37] heh, I think I will cross my fingers for you [15:37] yes I will need it [15:37] With my schedule for the next few days it'll be a wonder if I even get time to MAKE a warrior [15:38] I think one could make a warrior within some minutes, but the chance to score good with it is very low [15:38] Well yeah I can type mov 0,1 pretty fast : P [15:38] lol [15:39] heh [15:40] ok, I have to go offline. But I'll be back later the evening [15:40] so far it was very enjoyable and thrilling :) [15:41] :) [15:42] The suspense is killing me [15:42] * Fizmo waves [15:42] * Roy waves [15:42] bbl [15:42] * elkauka waves [15:43] MSG: [15:43] cu [15:43] Part: elkauka left #corewars [15:48] warrior 1 finished [16:06] MSG: Quit: humhum [16:06] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [16:08] MSG: [16:45] Goodnight [16:46] night data [17:03] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [17:04] hmm.. this is interesting.. [17:04] (no, i wont tell anything) [17:05] ;) [17:06] I could cry. [17:42] so what is the deadline? [17:42] Join: Roy joined #corewars [17:42] saturday [17:43] no its sunday :P [17:43] sunday. [17:43] hi all [17:43] hi roy [17:43] (sunday today) no idea what you where talking about :) [17:43] the deadline [17:43] it is saturday [17:43] Ah k, good to hear [17:44] aaargh, this is so cool (flash needed) http://www.pwned.nl/ayb/ [17:45] ... no qs and the warrior is 50 lines [17:46] I am doing something terribly wrong [17:46] * brx has forgotten how to write warriors [17:47] How come..? [17:47] I don't know. my code is full of loops and conditionals. [17:49] I don't know what you are making, but sometimes looks are good ;-) [17:49] though it is totally useless, it is already proving to be michal's doom. [17:50] Nice :-) [17:50] * brx nods :) [17:50] I'm also fearing this round :-( all my oponents are quite and never on IRC (it seems) [17:50] you are not fearing this round [17:51] Actually I am, I can only fail, never win [17:51] that is true [17:51] it's the opposite for me [17:51] people expect me to fail utterly [17:51] Yeah, that actualy is a much better position to be in [17:51] it actually makes no difference :) [17:53] It shouldn't no.. [17:53] Join: Metcalf joined #corewars [17:53] Hi [17:53] Hi John [17:53] Anything new? [17:53] yes? [17:53] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/quali.htm [17:53] Looks like I have a tough group [17:53] r.g.c, the groups are known and the rules [17:54] You could have it worse, group D is a killer IMO, and I predict it to be very close [17:54] I need a benchmark and am too lazy to do one [17:54] this will be the end of me [17:56] * michal will prepare a benchmark for food [17:56] I can't remember who mentioned the birthday paradox, but the first example is in the who's who [17:56] Hmmm... I have plans too [17:57] Who..? [17:57] Not quite a benchmark [17:57] Tuc and Anton [17:57] * Roy has a benchmark [17:58] also martin ankerl and I [17:58] Oh? I haven't got Martin in there yet [17:58] He should be of course [17:59] It will take some time to get around everyone [18:01] I think I might disappoint everyone who bets on me getting a good place [18:02] * Roy fears the same thing [18:02] Depends who I come up against and if I make the right choice. [18:02] It doesn't matter how good my warrior is, if it is the wrong type [18:03] Strategy choice really increases the luck-factor this tournament [18:05] Hmmm... how come El Kauka's favourite strategy is scanner, but none of his favourite warriors are? [18:05] Haven't I written enough to choose from? :-( [18:05] hehehe :-) [18:05] How come my favourite strategy is paper/stone/paper but none of my warriors are that? [18:06] Then again, my favourite strategy is scanner and I've only ever written one which did well [18:06] Well, because i havent been able to shape then into form id like to.. [18:06] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [18:07] Scanners are very hard to make, and only work sporadicly :-) [18:07] Depends on the hill, lot of papers and they are succesfull [18:07] Hi Christian [18:07] hi all :) [18:08] Solo4 being koth I'd say the hill is ready for some more scanners [18:08] Or a little stone ;-) [18:08] Christian: what's this at the bottom of my player info page? [18:08] "© 2002-2005 corewar.info. All Rights Reserved" [18:08] I think my girlfriend has copyright to that pic ;-) [18:09] uhmm, it's from my default website design [18:09] :-) [18:09] didn't thought of that [18:10] Any comments to your group? ;-) [18:10] Only joking... as long as you don't try to prosecute me for using my own picture [18:11] :) [18:11] Yes, I have a 33% chance of dropping out, compared to persons in group C and D having a 20% chance. So I'm just going to have to try that little bit harder [18:15] I still vote for a extra group for all last and second last coders, one more round robin to let the highest 6 go [18:16] I was planning this in the case that I didn't get filled the groups with at least 5 player [18:17] then all 4th and 5th places of each group would to another round robin while the best 4 would go to the next round [18:17] It would be nice to find another two players to make 6 in each group [18:18] that was my goal, but I failed [18:19] There still is some time left (if they code quickly) [18:20] Hmmm... only a few hours gone... they haven't lost much time [18:22] Group D is pretty well balanced [18:24] Yup, what I thought too [18:25] but the prediction for the first four in group D is the most hardest one, beside group A [19:00] heh, everbody seems busy in writing an entry ;-) [19:00] * brx is busy crying [19:02] heh, don't fall in hectic there are some few times left until deadline [19:07] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [19:07] hi [19:07] Fizmo: I am not hectic :) [19:07] Hi El Kauka [19:07] guess its time to change the channel topic [19:07] hi metcalf [19:09] hi el [19:11] Update of the player prediction: [19:11] Roy van Rijn 2,2 [19:11] John Metcalf 4,0 [19:11] Michal Janeszek 4,7 [19:11] Chip Wendell 4,8 [19:11] Nenad Tomasev 5,4 [19:11] Zul Nadzri 6,3 [19:11] Sascha Zapf 6,8 [19:11] German Labarga 7,8 [19:11] Jens Gutzeit 9,7 [19:11] Simon Wainwright 10,1 [19:11] LAchi 10,6 [19:11] Mizcu 12,0 [19:11] Will Varfar 12,2 [19:11] John K. Lewis 12,4 [19:11] el kauka 12,5 [19:11] inversed 13,3 [19:11] S. Fernandes 14,9 [19:11] brx 15,1 [19:11] fiveop 17,1 [19:11] datagram 18,9 [19:11] X-man 19,7 [19:11] How many votes now Christian? [19:12] 10 votes [19:12] maybe this looks better: [19:12] Roy van Rijn 2,2 [19:12] John Metcalf 4,0 [19:12] Michal Janeszek 4,7 [19:12] Chip Wendell 4,8 [19:12] Nenad Tomasev 5,4 [19:12] Zul Nadzri 6,3 [19:12] Sascha Zapf 6,8 [19:12] German Labarga 7,8 [19:12] Jens Gutzeit 9,7 [19:12] Simon Wainwright 10,1 [19:12] LAchi 10,6 [19:13] Mizcu 12,0 [19:13] Will Varfar 12,2 [19:13] John K. Lewis 12,4 [19:13] el kauka 12,5 [19:13] inversed 13,3 [19:13] S. Fernandes 14,9 [19:13] brx 15,1 [19:13] fiveop 17,1 [19:13] datagram 18,9 [19:13] X-man 19,7 [19:13] indeed it does [19:13] 3 of the bottom 6 are in the same group, so I am willing to be this won't be the final ranking! [19:14] I don't like being at the bottom, I am insulted :) [19:14] I'll update after each round the prediction. So please feel free to send me your new ones [19:15] heh, wait until you successful pass the qualification [19:15] Be first in the qualies and jump to the top of the list [19:15] Join: sascha joined #corewars [19:15] Hi Sascha [19:16] I am sure you will jump up in the predictions [19:16] hi Sascha [19:16] Hello John...+ [19:16] I'm planning on being third/fourth, just to confuse people, and dropping some on the list before I bet huge amounts of money on myself (muahaha!) [19:16] Everybody happy with his group ? [19:17] Hmmm... I'm not confident [19:17] Mizcus anti-predictions: inversed will be higher, Will will be lower [19:18] My prediction: Simon will be higher, LAchi will be lower [19:18] My predictions, I will be lower, inversed and sf will be higher [19:18] Ohw, and JM and me will be much lower [19:18] And fluffy bunny wins :-) [19:18] Christian, do you remember previous tournaments having naming schemes? [19:19] yes [19:19] We should have a naming scheme here, one which doesn't allow for "fluffy" anything! [19:19] lol [19:19] Yeah, naming schemes are pure fun [19:19] I might have a better chance then ;-) [19:19] Part: elkauka left #corewars [19:21] I only hope that Jens will optimize his warriors using his own simulator [19:21] :) [19:22] Yes, I vote for naming schemes too! [19:22] Even THIS round! [19:23] I vote against [19:23] I have too many good names to give up the advantage [19:23] Ignore michal, he is against everything (anti-person) [19:23] I vote for a voluntary naming scheme. [19:24] You can join in if you wish. [19:25] Ok, how about 'Norse Mythology' as naming scheme? [19:27] http://namingschemes.com/Norse_Mythology <- lots of names ;-) [19:27] "Tendrils of Ymir" :P [19:27] http://namingschemes.com wow, its a good page [19:29] Nice page Roy [19:30] http://namingschemes.com/Vomit_Synonyms [19:31] technicolor yawn is a favourite [19:32] Does anyone know who miikaawaadizi is? [19:32] http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/player.php?player=127 [19:33] Oh, don't worry, I figured it [19:34] Yggdrasil - Giant ash tree that links and shelters all of the worlds [19:41] ping? [19:41] ponG? [19:41] timeout [19:41] ok, still some connection :P [20:02] * Metcalf waves [20:03] * Fizmo waves [20:03] * sascha waves [20:04] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [20:05] no good.. [20:06] no good [20:07] this one will need a lot of pondering and analyzing [20:35] It seems i have an mp3 that Jens might not like.. Insane Behavior - Fix the Fluff [20:38] ok, time to go for me. I wish you all happy programming [20:38] * Fizmo waves# [20:38] * fiveop waves [20:39] MSG: [21:13] n8 [21:13] MSG: Quit: humhum [21:19] MSG: [21:54] * sascha waves [21:54] Part: sascha left #corewars [21:56] Join: Core29_ joined #corewars [21:59] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:42] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:47] Part: Core29_ left #corewars [22:55] Join: datagram joined #corewars [23:57] MSG: