[00:02] MSG: Quit: michal [00:15] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:27] Join: datagram joined #corewars [01:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:46] Join: Moonwolf joined #corewars [02:47] MSG: Client Quit [06:30] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [06:38] fiveop, Get my email? [06:39] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [06:43] yes thanks [06:44] currently reading both versions, to see what I've done wrong ;) [06:55] Heh, it was easier to just change it instead of using some fancy program to make red marks [06:56] I've opened it in two emacs buffers, it's quite easy to spot the changes [07:05] Ah cool [07:05] You can do vicomp too [07:05] vidiff* [07:07] VIMDIFF [07:07] There, third time's a charm [10:42] How is it plausible to benchmark for the tournament? [10:42] Since most if not all warriors I have are for specific coresizes [11:26] Join: Roy joined #corewars [11:26] Hi all [11:27] datagram: The only way to test your warriors this round is to make your own benchmark [11:32] The basic ideas are already made, just take some tiny warriors and normal warriors, cut them a bit and make them work well in a bigger/smaller enviroment.. Once thats done you can see what strategy/warrior scores best and try to optimize that warrior (or others) to beat the enemy! [11:32] (*enemies this round) [11:33] Ok, I'm off again [11:33] Join: michal joined #corewars [11:33] Hi michal [11:34] hrm, he's not responding, then I'll continue with leaving :-) [11:34] * Roy waves [11:34] MSG: Quit: Leaving [11:55] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [12:05] Join: Jens joined #corewars [12:06] Hi everbody! [12:06] Hmm, only one esteemed enemy is there ... [12:08] datagram: Still awake? Already working on a warrior? [12:10] Join: caesar joined #corewars [12:19] Yeah [12:20] I started working on [12:20] Only now did I realize how short 38 lines is : ) [12:20] I was going to actually add in a qscan for the first time, but it is too big [12:20] tell more :) [12:21] ? [12:21] MSG: Quit: GoodBye , My Friends... [12:21] The more I know, the easier it becomes to beat you :) [12:21] You aren't in my pool anyways [12:22] no? I thought so [12:22] Oh yeah nevermind [12:22] I thought you were in C or D [12:22] We are both in Group B [12:23] Maybe you should take a tiny qscan from warrior on Koenigstuhl. Digital Swarm has a very good one. [12:23] We'll see [12:24] Yes, we'll see esteemed enemy ;-) [12:25] You are creepy, Jens [12:25] Well, what else am I supposed to be? [12:25] ;-) [12:26] We can spy on Roy together or something [12:26] <_< [12:26] >_> [12:26] If I scare everyone enough, I might win without submitting any warriors at all [12:26] or just an imp [12:27] How about this: "Send a warrior and I will clear all your cores!" [12:27] What do you think? Good enough? [12:27] Dunno [12:27] Say like, I will drop your d0x if you try to beat me [12:28] Then I'm safe, because I won't TRY to beat you. I'll simply do it ;-) [12:31] Hmm ... have I already won? [12:33] I am shooting for 3rd place in our group [12:33] That is the safest/most realistic location [12:34] Why should we deal with reality? Let's simple assume we'll become first and second, ok? [12:35] That's silly [12:35] I don't want 4th because it would mean facing Roy round 1, that's all [12:36] oh ... haven't looked at the info for round 2 yet [12:44] Group B, 4th place --- Battle SR4 --- Group C, 1st place [12:45] Who is Sapan? [12:45] He is the only one not on the player list [12:45] Don't know [12:46] I guess that means he not pro then, if you don't know him [12:46] That's good news for me! heh [12:55] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [12:55] Hi everybody! [12:56] any progress with your warriors of doom for the qualification round? [12:58] hmm... it appears that all redcoders here are busy... [13:00] We're here [13:01] :) [13:02] did you make something? [13:03] or are you still considering strategic choices? [13:11] I'll be back later... [13:11] MSG: [13:26] I am making something [13:26] rg [13:26] Arg* [14:05] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [14:08] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:12] Join: caesar joined #corewars [14:12] hi [14:15] Hello caesar [14:15] But I am going to bed...so goodnight [14:18] g'night datagram. [14:42] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [14:50] MSG: [15:05] MSG: Quit: GoodBye , My Friends... [15:18] MSG: Quit: michal [15:26] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [15:28] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:36] Join: michal joined #corewars [15:53] Join: zubr joined #corewars [15:53] Nick Change: zubr changed nick to Metcalf [15:53] Hi [15:54] Hi (current) emeny #1 ! [15:54] *enemy [15:54] :-( [15:54] hehe [15:54] :) [15:54] So you don't want to cooperate and make mutually hand-shaking warriors? ;-) [15:54] It will change in a week ... after the qualification round [15:54] How? Pspace isn't allowed! [15:55] There are other means! [15:56] We are not in a good group - 2 of 6 will be knocked out [15:56] Oh well, I have two other players to hand-shake with me. It should be enough [15:57] Why aren't we in the same group? [15:57] Yes :-) [15:57] ? [15:57] But if I hand-shake with the two others, all three of us should get through :-) [15:58] Hmm ... and if I spread enough fear, I might be the only one to submit a warrior in our group ;-) [16:15] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [16:15] Hi [16:15] Join: asw joined #corewars [16:15] Hi Nenad [16:15] Hi Sasha [16:15] Hi Sasha [16:16] hi John! [16:16] * asw waves to Nenad [16:16] So, what's new? [16:16] JM: have you decided what to use already? [16:17] No. [16:17] I am running some tests, if you are talking about qualification [16:17] I've almost finished mine ... just a little optimization and fine tuning left to be done. [16:18] but the warrior could be submitted as is, I think [16:18] I will write and optimize 6 warriors per day, then pick the best one at the end of the week. [16:18] JM: is it a good approach? [16:18] it's not about picking the best warrior, at all [16:18] Which group are you in Nenad? [16:18] it's about defeating the ones that are submitted against you [16:18] A [16:18] with Sascha [16:18] and Michal [16:26] and almighty brx :) [16:27] Hi Nenad, asw :-) [16:28] Hi Jens [16:28] Metcalf: Are you really writing that much warriors? [16:28] Jens: are you not? [16:28] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [16:28] Hi Fizmo [16:28] hi [16:28] Jens: yes, I wish I had time to write more [16:28] Hi Fizmo! [16:28] Hi Christian [16:29] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:29] Are there self-fights in qualification? [16:29] Nenad: It is a little bit much. I only work on two ideas. [16:29] I work on ... uhmmm 6 ideas, I think [16:30] I'm working on 10 ideas, with about 4 variants of each. [16:30] Wow! That settles it. I'm lazy! [16:30] Now Roy is going to come and say he has 20 ideas and 6 variants for each of them [16:31] How about using an evolver and saying: "I'm working on about 10000 ideas." [16:31] Jens: you might be facing Roy later :) [16:31] in the 0.125 finals [16:32] Nenad: I know, but for now I only have to deal with enemy #1 [16:32] and that is? [16:32] JM - The Great Menace [16:32] ;-) [16:32] heh, I think it will be a very close battle in each group, because our beginner are all highly motivated [16:32] yes... [16:32] Yes, I am afraid of them most of all [16:33] and they can simply use other peoples warriors... [16:33] :-( [16:33] Nenad: Apart from that there are enemy #2, #3 and of course #4 and #6 [16:33] originality is not a prerequiste here :( [16:33] Jens: ? [16:33] There are 5 opponents in my group ... hence enemy #1 ... #5 [16:34] well, why #6 and not #5 [16:34] do you want to be fifth [16:34] oh ... that was a typo [16:34] it is an omen :) [16:34] hehe [16:34] so you'll end up being fifth and not qualify ... too bad... [16:35] hmm ... according to my prediction of the future that won't happen [16:35] :) [16:35] Join: Roy joined #corewars [16:35] Hi winner [16:35] I'm working on a million ideas [16:35] Hi future enemy # 1 [16:36] But non of them are about CW ;-) [16:36] hehe [16:36] Roy: sorry about that imp nightmare :) [16:36] * Roy has to make some php files and some uml diagrams VERY quickly [16:36] you should make it stronger next time [16:36] Don't mind, it was a stupid paper :-P [16:36] (it was the paper from Halcyon, best anti-imp paper I could find) [16:36] well, papers usually ARE stupid [16:37] HFB? [16:37] Hi Roy [16:37] Its not published :P [16:37] Hi JM [16:37] HFB might be stupid, but powerful ;-) [16:37] it is so in the real world, too [16:37] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [16:38] therefore, the more stupid the warrior, the greater the power that he wields [16:38] Stupid people are usualy powerful look at Bush (my first and only political statement ever) [16:38] :) my thoughts exactly [16:38] hmm ... it would be nice to have a hill with the setting for the qualitfication round [16:38] no... [16:38] yes [16:38] no... [16:38] Why not? [16:38] :) [16:38] * Roy thought about that too [16:39] There I could test all my benchmark warriors! [16:39] You could test your benchmark warriors to see if there are as good as everyone else's benchmark warriors! [16:39] well, wouldn't you want to NOT test your entry at such a hill? [16:39] Not only that [16:39] Hmmm... same idea as Roy. [16:39] You could scare your opponents [16:39] Not test the entry, test the benchmark ;-) [16:39] well, you'll let others see that you have a better bench, and they'll try improving theirs [16:39] There is still the RF23-hill at SAL [16:39] Or send imps and amaze everybody in the real tournament [16:40] how about replacing it with a hill with new settings [16:40] :-( [16:40] * Roy votes for that! [16:40] why replacing? [16:40] Joonas: Please read the logs :-) [16:40] Why not... its not used much anyway [16:40] * Metcalf doesn't like it when hills vanish, even quite hills [16:40] just add a new one [16:40] The history is nice [16:40] BTW, you saw the posting on r.g.c about a beginner warrior? [16:40] (of the hill) [16:40] Nenad: Then we'll have 100 hills after some tournaments [16:40] Hi Fizmo [16:40] Jens: so, send him the mail if you want [16:41] hi Roy [16:41] Yeah, nice Stone/Scanner (and delete the word scanner) [16:41] ? [16:41] I wondering how both components will start [16:41] Answer: not :) [16:41] org stone [16:41] end scanner [16:41] was still inking what has the higher priority [16:41] CoreWin just fires up the stone [16:41] thinking* [16:42] I've already replied per email and have given some hints [16:42] Fizmo: were there any new prediction lists in the meantime? [16:43] wtg Jens, but replying on r.g.c might be better :-) then we'll know that you replied and everybody can learn from the reply [16:43] JM: it seems that you'll be facing Roy in the final, according to those :) [16:43] Heh, maybe we'll face eachother earlier... [16:43] I doubt I'll get that far. [16:43] Roy: Have thought about it, but decided against. [16:44] Why's that? [16:44] I think everyone who qualifies has the same chance of making it to the final, 1 in 8 [16:45] 1/16? [16:45] 1/16 winning, 1/8 reaching final? [16:45] It depends largely on the strategy you choose and how good you know the enemy [16:46] Roy: if you could choose an opponent in the final, who would it be? [16:47] * Roy because you make oneshots and I make papers..? [16:47] * Nenad makes more than just oneshots [16:48] Probably me! Roy would love to beat me in the final, on top of already killing my best warriors on 94nop [16:48] ? [16:48] Reepicheep? [16:48] Uninvited? [16:48] http://corewar.co.uk/killers.txt [16:49] oh, relax... these days most of the old warriors get killed by me... so I'll kill your next best warrior :) [16:50] I haven't got a good one anywhere except nano. [16:50] tiny? [16:50] Hmmm... I suppose some of the tiny warriors are okay ;-) [16:50] 88 hills? (tourney 88) [16:51] The icws hill oneshot isn't that good - it does well because of all the old code on there. [16:52] Who would you want to be against in the final Nenad? (and JM?) [16:52] * Nenad would like to fight Roy or Chip [16:53] Nenad: Yes, I got a new prediction [16:53] Nenad: I would like to win ;-) [16:53] * Metcalf doesn't mind, I have the same chance against any opponent [16:54] I could write a fantastic scanner, but it could be easily beaten by an average stone [16:54] Then err submit Maelstrom in every round :-P [16:54] lol [16:54] It beats 95% of the warriors or something :-) [16:54] it is beatable, too [16:54] if everyone else decides to submit papers... [16:55] antiimp papers... [16:55] It beats some anti-imp papers, but is weak against some oneshots and clears [16:56] The question is, whether a core of 3800 has more or less the same properties as a core of 8000. May 3800 is just enough to make other types of warriors strong than before. [16:56] Why did I say that... now everybody is going to submit clears and oneshots :-( [16:56] Roy: because you're bluffing, of course [16:57] Iocaine Powder.. [16:57] OK, 90% of my warrior is complete ... Now it has a name [16:58] FluffyFish? [16:58] Is Iociane Powder published? I have been looking for it [16:58] Nenad: No, "Evidence of Inability" [16:58] well, that only goes with the theory of you being fifth [16:59] Iocaine Powder? I know that from the Roshambo programming competition, its from the movie:"The Princess Bride" [16:59] My girlfriend likes that book [16:59] Nope, as you are probably aware of, I've developed a detailed theory (and tested it of course) about choosing good names. [16:59] EoI is far more better than HFB !! [17:00] Iocane Powder won a tournament once [17:02] A redcode tournament? [17:02] Jens: it should be if you want to win :) [17:04] Nenad: Yes, I've intentionally left out on part of the name ... whether it is or isn't evidence of my (!) inability ;-) [17:04] we'll see [17:06] Roy: yes, it was a multi-warrior LP tournament [17:06] Does anybody have the sources of YACE. I can't find them :( [17:09] If you have, please mail them. I want to work on 10001 ideas now [17:10] 1 I already have [17:10] Nick Change: Fizmo changed nick to Fiz_afk [17:13] Jens: when are you going to send something new to 94nop? it would be nice to age the hill a little more [17:13] At the moment I'm working on some ideas for '88, but nothing for 94nop. [17:13] Judodudo: Yeah! Thanks to Jens Gutzeit, it now has a 45% win rate, as opposed to [17:13] a mere 20% before [17:14] :) [17:14] ? [17:14] at rgc [17:14] hmmm ... first a stone ... then a scanner [17:15] Fizmo: did you hear from Sapan yet? [17:16] I've got to go now... Michal and Sascha are probably working on their entries :) [17:16] * Nenad waves [17:16] * Jens waves [17:16] * Metcalf waves [17:16] * Nenad wishes good luck to group B! [17:16] Thanks :-) [17:16] MSG: [17:24] Fizmo: be sure to ask that new guy to join! [17:24] (the tournament) [17:32] Okay, time to go [17:33] Nick Change: Fiz_afk changed nick to Fizmo [17:34] hmm, I have to go now [17:34] * Fizmo waves# [17:35] * Metcalf waves [17:35] MSG: [17:35] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [17:53] People, be sure to click some more ads in the ICC2006 website ;-) [17:54] If I would see them, I would click ;-) [17:57] time to go [17:57] * Jens waves [17:57] * brx_ goes hrm [17:57] Part: Jens left #corewars [17:57] * brx_ waves [17:57] The total amount collected is now 15 dollar :-) I need about uhm 50 to make a payment to me ;-) [17:58] the act of writing a warrior is so cumbersome, especially if you have to make a bench first. [18:29] MSG: [18:34] MSG: [19:22] brx_: training! :) [19:48] Join: Roy joined #corewars [19:48] Writing a benchmark is indeed a good training [19:49] But how do you know if your benchmark is any good... :-) [19:58] MSG: Quit: humhum [20:10] Roy: he was talking budo [20:18] Part: michal left #corewars [20:40] hmm, have to make a hard choice [20:40] Who is here (online) and has knowledge about mobile phones? [20:41] Which shall I choose: Nokia 3230/Nokia 6230i... [21:57] Join: Core29_ joined #corewars [22:00] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:31] MSG: