[00:05] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [00:17] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:18] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [00:18] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:19] Join: brx joined #corewars [00:46] Part: michal left #corewars [00:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:56] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:56] Join: brx joined #corewars [01:10] MSG: [01:10] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:12] Join: brx joined #corewars [01:20] MSG: Quit: leaving [02:02] Join: brx joined #corewars [02:28] MSG: Quit: a good book will be nice. [09:14] Join: Neogryzor joined #corewars [09:14] hi, anyone awake? [09:15] Of course [09:15] What's up [09:17] i'm just looking for results [09:17] I can tell you A and C [09:18] But the others haven't been announced yet [09:18] i'm just looking for results [09:18] Nenad LAchi and X-Man dropped out [09:18] ret [09:18] t [09:18] this works really bad [09:18] ? [09:18] Why [09:20] Join: neo joined #corewars [09:20] this works really bad [09:21] Why? [09:23] i cannot access the logs. Do you know the results of the CSEC2005 QF? [09:23] i cannot access the logs. Do you know the results of the CSEC2005 ? [09:23] asd [09:23] ! [09:24] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [09:24] Still no results :( [09:24] Hi everybody! [09:25] Join: brx joined #corewars [09:25] Hello Jens [09:25] :) [09:25] hello. [09:25] And correct [09:25] We are doomed to know that you got knocked out for another 4 hours or so [09:26] hehe [09:26] Would he wait this long for Will's entry? [09:26] I assume he'd just start without him [09:27] I'll simply wait until Fizmo announces the results. Now I'm busily working on my MARS. [09:27] Once I get knocked out..in this round or the next, then I'll email you all the step program I made [09:27] It's fancy and such [09:28] hehe [09:28] datagram: Why not publish it on your homepage (in case you have one)? [09:28] i still have a headache from michal explaining his Rcmath ruby module [09:28] Don't have a site [09:29] brb, breakfast [09:29] Then it's time to get one ;-) [09:29] Nah [09:29] When the domain I want becomes free then maybe, but until then no [09:30] To wait until a domain becomes free ... good luck in your next live ;-) [09:30] brx, It's actually very easy to use [09:30] Join: Neooo joined #corewars [09:31] I even used it to make my optimizing go like 8x as fast or so [09:33] hmm ... what do you think of constantly reload http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/quali.htm until Fizmo publishes the results ;) [09:33] *reloading [09:33] ert [09:33] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [09:34] MSG: Quit: Physical Wreck IRC webscript: http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [EOF] [09:34] Join: Neeeooo joined #corewars [09:34] Just hack his box and steal the output from mars [09:35] do you know the results? [09:35] Fluffy, Or change your browser ID to WE WANT RESULTS FOR GROUP B [09:35] And THEN reload all over his page [09:35] So when he checks his connect log he'll see assloads of GETs from [your ip] [browser:WE WANT RESULTS FOR GROUP B] [09:36] Neeeooo, Lachi Nenad and X-Man lost [09:36] Neeeooo, That is all so far [09:36] i don't belive you [09:36] Topic Change: Fluffy sets topic: WE WANT RESULTS! NOW! [09:36] Haha [09:36] Should have thought of that yesterday [09:37] Neooo: Check the logs [09:37] what about group A? [09:37] * Neeeooo can't access the logs [09:37] Part: Neooo left #corewars [09:37] why not? [09:38] dunno [09:38] I don't understand why he doesnt believe me : / [09:38] I mean koth is up and running [09:38] *koth.org [09:38] simply, you are my opponent. All from you are lies :) [09:39] I'm telling you the results of other groups [09:39] Group B hasn't been posted [09:39] MSG: Quit: Physical Wreck IRC webscript: http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [EOF] [09:39] Opponents? I only have enemies! [09:40] Nenad out, really? [09:40] yes, Fizmo said so [09:40] and who else in A is out? [09:40] and brx won in his group [09:41] X-man [09:41] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [09:42] RESULTS!!!! [09:42] RESULTS! [09:42] err ... hi Fizmo [09:42] in a few minutes [09:42] I'll upload the results [09:42] please specify "in a few minutes" [09:42] :) [09:42] Haha [09:42] Hello Fizmo [09:42] Fluffy: Enough for you to get a nervous breakdown [09:42] Fluffy is going to start capping people if you don't post the results [09:44] RESULTS [09:44] are ready [09:44] published [09:44] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/quali.htm [09:45] done [09:45] must go [09:45] fd [09:46] Wow two oneshots in my group ... [09:47] X-man is really 8? [09:47] Your opponent in round 2 will be fiveop [09:47] Topic Change: Fluffy sets topic: WE HAVE RESULTS NOW ;-) [09:47] yep [09:47] datagram, good luck against Simon Wainwrigth [09:48] Haha, I mised?? [09:48] So sad [09:49] all entries should be reachable now [09:49] Hmm ... if I'm correct I have to face fiveop in the next round [09:49] just click on the name in the result tables [09:50] click on index page there is the tournament bracket [09:50] or on round 2 page [09:51] Jens: The winner of you against fiveop will meet either brx or el kauka [09:51] err ... lp ... I knew, I should have tried that hill earlier [09:52] Fizmo: you typoed the last line, where a bit in hurry, eh? [09:53] I tried to add a qscan to my warrior, but it was all downhill [09:54] Fizmo: I know, that it takes a lot of time, but do you have a table with the overall results (i.e. an inifinite hill with all submitted warriors)? [09:56] not yet, but I'll start it later [09:56] Wow ... group C is really close [09:57] Irony is that "John" really worked this time [09:58] Yes, especially for Zul Nadzri :) [09:58] Jesus [09:58] Tie fest! [09:58] I'm calling that group Men's Wearhouse from now on [10:01] MSG: Quit: Physical Wreck IRC webscript: http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [EOF] [10:05] Round 2 rules seem truly and fairly annoying [10:05] But interesting [10:07] heh, one warrior to meet those different settings ;-) [10:07] I haven't any clue either [10:07] what to use [10:07] I think, I already have an idea ... quite unusual [10:07] heh [10:07] Now it pays off, that I've made the Time Machine :) [10:08] Nevertheless that tournament brackets are quite uneven [10:08] They are just seeded [10:08] The favourites are all located in the lower haltf [10:08] Neo vs. Roy [10:08] Michal vs. Zul [10:09] and the winner will meet [10:09] Sascha vs. Chip [10:09] and the winner meets John Metcalf or inversed [10:10] fiveop: In case you are reading the logs. Let's us both submit simple imps. Then Fizmo won't know, what to do :) [10:11] I would do a lottery for decision then ;-) [10:12] The combination of two different stettings looks quite interesting. Why not make a hill with similar settings permanent [10:12] When will the round 2 settings be ready? [10:13] they already are [10:15] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/round2.htm [10:15] All I see on the r2 page is the empty brackets [10:15] Now it works [10:16] : ) [10:21] gotta go now. back later [10:21] * Fizmo waves [10:21] MSG: [10:23] Neat settings [10:28] When a process executes a SPL and you are at max processes, it just does nothing, yes? [10:28] Basically becomes a nop [10:28] yes [10:28] I must share with you: I no longer fear custom coresizes [10:28] :) [10:29] * Fluffy is away for a while [10:32] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:33] Join: brx joined #corewars [10:48] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [10:49] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:49] woot! :) [10:49] Join: brx joined #corewars [10:54] Hey fiveop, brx [11:00] Join: sascha joined #corewars [11:01] Hey, all german participants entered the second round....very nice... [11:02] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:02] Sorry, don't want to disturb all your meditation....O.K, back to CWSET.... [11:02] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [11:10] what to write, what to write [11:12] never have written something for the "big" coresize [11:14] Join: brx joined #corewars [11:15] so, B and D got wildcards? :) [11:27] http://fiveop.homeip.net/circle.mpg I'll beat Fluffy with this :) [11:32] Join: michal joined #corewars [11:32] Part: michal left #corewars [11:33] Join: michal joined #corewars [11:38] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:38] Join: brx joined #corewars [12:19] MSG: [12:33] hey datagram, congrats on making qualification. :) [12:38] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:39] Join: brx joined #corewars [12:41] brx, Heh, I mised : / but I guess that's good enough [12:48] brx, Congrats on winning your pool : ) [12:49] datagram: thank you. I was very lucky. ;) [12:49] Heh, many of us were [12:49] group B and D you mean? :) [12:49] In general [12:51] well true enough. [12:51] * brx stretches [12:51] round 2 will be fun [12:51] Heh, I don't have to face roy...but still have to face 1st of group C [12:51] Not where I wanted to be : / [12:52] from now on anything is possible. [12:58] Haha, if I did predictions for this round I would put myself as a loser [13:28] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [13:28] hi [13:29] :) [13:29] refresh the quali page [13:29] Already reading it :) [13:29] an look to the bottom of it [13:30] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [13:31] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:32] Fizmo: Now I know, why I really hate oneshots ;-) [13:32] Maybe I should make one, too :) [13:32] heh [13:36] Fizmo: Do you know, whether there is a benchmark out there to determine the speed of a MARS? [13:37] not really [13:37] Fluffy you can just write a timing piece of code and have to execute the same matches and note the differences [13:38] Fluffy: check the optimars dir in your optimax distrib [13:38] datagram: Yes, I know, but maybe someone has written already sth. similar [13:38] if your mars supports 'standard' interface, you could use bench.py included with fmars [13:38] btw. how does your mars work with psyco? [13:39] Got a complaint regarding the results I have to check now [13:41] michal: My mars has a similar interface, but not the same. [13:41] I haven't tried psyco yet. I'll "write" now a little benchmark-script and then I'll see, what I can do with psyco [13:41] it has to support -F and -r, and -bk (can ignore it) [13:42] hehe ... I'm not that far (yet). The pure Python version of the ICWS '88-MARS works without problems, but the C-version still has some bugs. [13:42] It doesn't even pass the validation program :( [13:42] can it be dowloaded somewhere? [13:42] Not yet [13:43] pretty please :) [13:43] I'll publish it, but not yet. [13:44] The first vesion will only have support for ICWS'88, a nice PyGTK interface (for debugging) and a "fast" version, which can be used for benchmarks/evolving [13:44] The current (and buggy) C-version is already faster than pmars :) [13:44] only 37% faster, but that's sth. :) [13:44] But that is only the debug-version [13:45] I think, I can speed it up a little bit after I've removed all the methods, that are needed for debugging programs [13:45] I think you already published python version? [13:45] so you could just give me the link [13:45] Yes, I has more bugs, than everything else [13:45] But the new mars isn't based on the old one [13:47] michal: http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/pymars/download/PyMARS-0.0.0.tar.bz2 [13:47] I've written it to understand how a MARS works [13:47] It's a virus! :P [13:48] And I've never corrected its bugs [13:48] By the way the new MARS has finally a name: The Yippie MARS [13:48] I really like stupid names :)) [13:49] yes [13:49] omg [13:49] Yet Another Fluffy Bunny Military Yippie Woot WTF OMG Something! [13:50] still checking if the compiling of warriors is the same in CoreWin and pmars [13:50] Fluffy: [13:50] >>> def timing(f,n): [13:50] ... print f.__name__, [13:50] ... r = range(n) [13:50] ... t1 = time.clock() [13:50] ... for i in r: [13:50] ... f(); f(); f(); f(); f(); f(); f(); f(); f(); f(); [13:50] ... t2 = time.clock() [13:50] I wanted it to name PyMARS, too, but then I couldn't stand that name any longer [13:50] ... print round(t2-t1, 3) [13:51] Fluffy, Yeah...I'm not a fan of Py names either..but that's all i can think of lol [13:51] datagram: time mymars [13:51] ? :) [13:51] timing(whatever_function(), n) [13:51] Just make a function that runs the literal program [13:53] Give me 20 minutes and I can tell you the speed of my mars, but I think it will be well below 200 instructions/second [13:53] Where is mars at? [13:53] ? [13:54] If I made a mars I'd just use python for the frontend and have everything else in C or C++ [13:54] Where is pmars at in terms of instructions/second? [13:54] I'll tell you then, too :) [13:54] I will be here [13:54] First I wanted to make a MARS to have a base for writing my own tests, now I'm still working on rewriting it as a C-module. [13:56] Ya can't turn down the speed of C :) [13:58] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:00] Wow!!!!! [14:00] ? [14:00] I dropped out. [14:00] David Moore has killed his '88 hill warrior Freight Train [14:01] PacMan as well [14:01] and Tangle Trap 3 [14:01] what? [14:01] why [14:01] and Stasis........... [14:02] Killed them just to kill them? [14:03] hmm [14:04] hmm, too [14:05] NOOOOOO............ [14:06] ARGHHHH........... [14:06] he's right. CoreWin and pmars compiles different [14:07] Complaint is accepted [14:08] I have to update Group C and the tournament brackets for Round 2 [14:08] who is right? :) [14:08] omg :/ [14:09] inversed developed his entry with corewin, but compilation of corewin and pmars aren't the same, so his warrior wasn't compiled correctly under pmars [14:10] and therefor his warrior wasn't working correctly [14:10] I used the compiled warrior from CoreWin and let it run again with pmars and scores are totally different now [14:12] hrm how do the compiled warriors differ? [14:13] any why have so many people used a nordic myth naming scheme? [14:13] Norse wins [14:13] That's why [14:14] datagram: I was thinking abh :) [14:14] I used an africa diety for my warriors name [14:14] The results of calculating the EQU values are different [14:15] Trippy [14:15] Does it calculate the order of operators differently? [14:15] hrm sounds serious enough to calculate the author of corewin and let him know about the deviation from pmars. :) [14:16] uhm... [14:16] contact [14:16] Chip [14:16] Chip wrote Corewin [14:16] Wow: First benchmark run is completed. The pure Python version has a speed of 350.27 instructions/second :) [14:16] Fluffy, Nice : ) [14:16] And pmars? [14:16] not calculate [14:16] The (buggy) C-Version killes itself while executing :( [14:18] Wah wah wahh [14:18] pmars: about 2700000 instructions/second [14:18] I'll contact Chip regarding this [14:18] Uhhh? [14:18] How is it so much faster? [14:19] Does the python version use graphics? [14:19] now, it is interpreted [14:19] *no [14:19] No I understand Python, but it shouldn't be that much of a difference [14:19] Yes, it should [14:19] 10k times slower?? [14:20] 331950 I/s pmars here [14:20] fiveop, That sounds more realistic [14:21] fiveop: How fast is your computer? [14:21] 3319502 [14:21] ! [14:21] ? [14:21] forgot a 0 somewhere in the calculation :P [14:21] (20*80000)/time [14:22] 2 warriors (papers) in 20 rounds where noone gets killed with 80000 maxcycles [14:22] datagram: Have you every tried to process hugs amounts of data with python or write a compression program with it. Then you'll see, that it isn't suited for some kind of tasks [14:22] time was 0.482 ;) [14:22] http://stackless.com [14:22] And writing an interpreter with an interpreter is always a bad idea [14:22] py2exe it : ) [14:26] exe? [14:26] ;-) [14:30] * Fluffy is now compiling psyco .. [14:38] With Psyco: 570.41 instructions/second :( [14:39] done [14:39] there are some changes in the tournament brackets now# [14:40] argh ... that's UNFAIR [14:40] omg omg :/ [14:40] How can I win against JM [14:40] err Roy [14:40] sorry [14:40] I also announce that player who use CoreWin must tell it to me, that I will use the CoreWin loadfiles [14:40] Metcalf ... I'm doomed! omg! [14:40] I use corewin, but I don't see what would change [14:40] unless the bug is fixed [14:41] Because I send you my code, not the compiled versino [14:41] version* [14:41] I'll test it also, if there are differences [14:42] I can compile it by myself with CoreWin ;-) [14:42] Okay [14:42] I like where I'm at now... [14:42] Maybe we can let it go <_< [14:42] >_> [14:42] * Fluffy pokes Roy into both of his eyes to make sure, he stays blind and cannot win [14:42] <_< [14:42] Kick him in the balls, that will be more effective [14:42] * Fluffy pokes again ... just to be sure [14:43] datagram: No, maybe he wants to have children some day [14:43] sorry for all the trouble, but I want to be fair if bug is observed [14:43] How can we know, that there was a bug ;-) Maybe you didn't like the fights for round 2 ;-) [14:44] roy against jens? :) [14:45] Me against Metcalf :/ [14:45] elkauka: I know, that you can easily kill all of brx' warriors! I'm very sure!!! [14:46] where is kauka? [14:46] he'll propably read the logs [14:46] brx: How about "not here" as an answer? [14:46] Roy! I knew it! I knew it! [14:46] argh [14:48] Fluffy: you are always hostile [14:50] Me? I'm the most harmless person, you can imagine [14:52] Fluffy: be sure to beat roy. [14:52] Fluffy: I remember a promise I made :) [14:53] Which one? [14:54] 18:14 I will try to win my group to maximize my chances to kick you out after the first round ;) [14:54] sadly, that isn't possible (statement made before lottery) :) [14:57] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [15:00] * Fluffy is away for a while ... [15:03] Join: Neogryzor joined #corewars [15:05] congrats to brx [15:06] hi Neo [15:07] I had re re-run some results, so your opponent will be Simon Wainwright [15:07] and not Roy [15:07] hi Fiz [15:08] good :) [15:08] hi neo, thank you [15:08] a different copilation between CoreWin and pmars was found, leading in a not properly working entry [15:09] what was compiled differentely? [15:09] michal: inversed's entry [15:10] The results of calculating the EQU values are different [15:10] if there are used some */+- [15:11] the 'zofs' equ? [15:15] yes [15:16] Simon's Fenrir looks like holograph.. [15:18] . [15:18] 7 [15:18] 6 [15:18] 5 [15:19] 4 [15:19] really? [15:19] I haven't chaeck so far, but it sounds reasonable [15:20] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [15:23] uy [15:25] so [15:25] MSG: Quit: Physical Wreck IRC webscript: http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [15:25] Join: Neo joined #corewars [15:26] so in round2 the entry must compete in both -p 8000 and LP settings! [15:27] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:28] MSG: Client Quit [15:28] Join: brx joined #corewars [15:30] yes [15:35] phew, organizing a tournament is really time consuming [15:35] :) [15:36] You just need to create a script to do it for you : ) [15:39] do you want to replace Fizmo with a very short python script? :) [15:43]