[00:01] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:01] Join: brx joined #corewars [00:06] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:07] Join: brx joined #corewars [00:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:55] Join: brx joined #corewars [01:35] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:35] Join: brx joined #corewars [01:59] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:59] Join: brx joined #corewars [02:07] having trouble staying connected brx? [02:07] linux'll do that to you :P [02:08] bvowk: do I have to tell you the sad story about thomas, karo and chop face? [02:09] don't get started.. you'll just drop off irc again and I'll miss the ending. [02:09] actually, piggybacking a neighbour's wlan with insufficient equipment will do that to me. [02:09] hrm.. [02:10] www.netgate.com [02:11] they've got really cheap 200mW wireless cards.. with pigtails.. [02:11] you can strap a 12dB yagi on that little beastie.. [02:11] and when you're not sending packets, it'll warm your coffee [02:12] my buddy has the 12dB yagi.. that little beast can *CONNECT* to the wavelans at work from my balcony.. [02:12] thats across a river, and bounced off an office building.. [02:13] (although, only in clear dry weather) [02:16] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [02:16] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:35] MSG: [03:35] Join: aFlag joined #corewars [03:35] hi [03:37] i'm having a hard time in compiling X support for pmars [03:40] on a mac? :) [03:41] do you have X11 installed? [03:42] bvowk: I remember helping a macos user compile pmars.. #ifdef voodoo got in the way. [03:42] iirc [03:45] no, on linux [03:45] yes, i have [03:45] i can only compile it if i link to svga stuff [03:45] and then, when i run it, what i get is not a pretty x11 screen, but something that's always fullscreen and all [03:46] i'm not sure it was supposed to be like thaat [03:49] Join: brx joined #corewars [03:50] aFlag, whats your make file look like? [03:50] I'm only really interested in the CFLAGS and LDFLAGS (iirc) lines.. [03:50] hum, i think i've got it now, i think i was supposed to define XWINGRAPHX on config.h [03:51] i had only GRAPHX [03:51] what version of pmars? [03:51] yeah, now it's working :) [03:51] 0.9.2-5 [03:51] is it old? [03:52] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:52] no, thats good :) [03:52] just gimme one second.. [03:53] so your CCFLAGS line should look like: [03:54] -DXWINGRAPHX -DPERMUTE -O -DEXT94 [03:54] and LFLAGS should have something like [03:55] -lX11 -L/usr/X11R6/lib [03:55] and then what error does it give you with that? [03:55] i've got it working i didn't have -DXWINGRAPHX [03:56] that isn't running X mode tho then :) [03:56] thats SDL I think [03:57] i don't know, i think it's x11 becuase now it has that -display option and all [04:04] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [04:05] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:11] MSG: Quit: Leaving [04:18] Join: brx joined #corewars [04:20] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:27] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [04:30] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:32] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:33] Join: brx joined #corewars [04:37] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:38] Join: brx joined #corewars [04:42] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:43] Join: brx joined #corewars [04:48] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [04:48] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:53] Join: brx joined #corewars [04:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:14] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [05:17] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [05:32] Join: brx joined #corewars [05:35] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:05] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [06:08] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [07:31] Join: brx joined #corewars [07:33] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [07:47] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:49] Join: brx joined #corewars [07:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:30] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [08:31] Hi fiveop [08:35] hi [08:36] How goes it [10:36] Join: Roy joined #corewars [10:47] 55% to go... (till I have Civ4) [10:54] ? [10:54] What's up Roy [10:55] I'm downloading Civ4, just to see what the buzz is all about [10:55] ("greatest game ever period" etc) [10:56] Ah [10:56] How big is it? [10:57] Uhh about 1,3 Gb I think [11:02] Wow, the Python/XML support is cool in Civ4, you can just expand the game with that!! [11:03] : ) [11:04] And they are going to release the SDK in 2006, then you can truely change EVERYTHING, from the AI of the game to the network connection etc [11:05] Nice idea.. [11:07] Very cool [11:08] That way Civ4 could also become a really cool platform for AI-programming-competitions, build the best bot, and play online Civ4 against other bots [11:49] Ohw wow, Fizmo pushed Kryne off the hill...man..poor Nenad :-( [11:49] Haven't seen him around for a while now [12:02] MSG: [12:29] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [12:29] :) [12:47] Join: michal joined #corewars [12:49] MSG: Client Quit [12:49] Join: michal joined #corewars [12:50] Join: katafutr joined #corewars [12:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:57] Nick Change: katafutr changed nick to michal [13:34] * datagram sighs [13:34] Hello Fluffy [13:49] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [13:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:55] MSG: Quit: Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ [14:46] hrm. [14:48] I posted a whole pile of my corewars stuff... www.math.ualberta.ca/~bvowk/corewar.html [14:48] I posted my huge hill scoring widget, and my benchmark maker, and the script to wrap the evolver software to make it the "autonomous evolver" [14:49] and some random widgets.. [15:10] MSG: [15:14] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [15:16] Join: Metcalf joined #corewars [15:16] Hi [15:17] Welcome back Bvowk [15:19] Hey John! [15:19] Anything new today? [15:19] As far as? [15:20] Hmmm... anything in the Corewar world since yesterday morning? [15:23] Doubtful [15:23] I am slightly less newb, but still mostly newb [15:23] But that's not newsworthy [15:23] Hows the round 2 entry coming along [15:24] hey met.. [15:24] Oh, I ought to start soon [15:25] I'm 76% done my huge run.. [15:25] I dunno if thats newsworthy :) [15:25] I haven't tossed a coin yet [15:25] Which huge run? Big nano round-robin? [15:25] You switched the autosubmitting evolver off :-( [15:27] yeah.. [15:27] big nano roundrobin (of doom!) [15:28] yeah, I switched it off until the scoring of this roundrobin is done [15:28] and then I'll start it back up again [15:28] I needed to free up some inodes and clear out some cruft. [15:28] :-) [15:28] I hope you are planning on publishing the results. [15:29] he who asked to not be mentioned is contemplating doing up som maps for my big hill too : [15:29] ) [15:29] why did he ask not to be mentioned? something to do with google and logs? [15:30] I think he's been drinking too much coffee and is paranoid. [15:30] A Som map for that size hill would be very interesting. [15:30] or, it might just be a huge jumble :) [15:30] I would like to see a Som map for the infinano hill actually [15:30] I posted a bunch of the utilities I use to my website met.. [15:31] Well it would be lots of meaningless numbers scattered all over the place. [15:31] Did you include all the published hand-written warriors? [15:31] It would be interesting to see which hand-written are most similar to evolved, and which are most dis-similar [15:33] JAT looks like a scanner :-) [15:36] Metcalf: what's a som map? [15:36] I didn't include all the hand written warriors, but there are a few [15:39] sorry dude :( [15:39] bbiaw [15:40] Self Organising Map [15:40] fiveop: can you read a postscript file? [15:41] yes [15:41] Nick Change: fiveop_ changed nick to fiveop [15:41] ah I think I downloaded one somewhere [15:41] Here is one http://corewar.co.uk/ithsom.zip [15:41] and I didn't now how to "read" it [15:42] yes I saw such a thing, but as mentioned can't understand it ;) [15:43] but now, back to uni ... :/ [15:44] warriors are grouped close to warriors which score similarly [16:12] Join: Neo joined #corewars [16:12] hi [16:12] Hi Neo [16:13] how is it going? [16:14] Okay, I've got a bit more time available now. How's it going for you? [16:15] okay, but now i've got a bit less time available :/ [16:16] i see the only one testing on the LP hill is Roy, i expected to find more tests [16:16] I haven't started yet [16:17] who is your opponent? [16:18] Erm... let me just double check! [16:18] fiveop [16:19] Thanks :-) [16:21] ;) [16:25] I am off to bed [16:25] Good luck to all y'all [16:25] same there [16:26] Good-night Datagram. Thanks, good luck to you too [17:00] * Metcalf waves [17:00] * Neo waves [17:00] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [17:05] hrm. [17:07] hrm [17:12] how goes neo? [17:17] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [17:17] hi [17:21] hi [17:22] bvowk, fine. Didn't want to try your luck on the CSEC tournament? [17:22] I was on vacation [17:23] nice, that is as good as redcoding :) [17:24] it wasn't too bad actually :) [17:24] I'm trying to avoid playing too much in the nethack tourny this year [17:24] last year I had a game where I killed pretty much everything killable.. [17:24] 6 days of straight nethack.. I don't think my carpel tunnels have recovered yet.. [17:26] * Neo doesn't find a translation for "carpel" [17:26] 6 days... sounds freak! [17:28] Neo: carpal tunnel [17:30] * Neo finds "carpal tunnel syndrome (Medicine)" [17:31] yes [17:31] yes.. [17:32] ok, fixtures for the Second Chance Event are ready [17:32] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [17:32] :) [17:32] ok, fixtures for the Second Chance Event are ready [17:33] Nenad Tomasev vs. John K. Lewis [17:33] LAchi vs. Fizmo [17:33] greets jens [17:33] Hi Jens [17:34] hi Fluffy [17:34] Fizmo: Will the winner re-enter the tourney or it will be a parallel one? [17:35] Fizmo: second chance event? [17:36] ah found it [17:36] it will be parallel [17:36] fighting for 5th place in the tournament [17:37] For those who would like to continue the tournament [17:38] good idea [17:39] i have to go now [17:39] bye all [17:39] * Fizmo waves [17:40] MSG: Quit: Physical Wreck IRC webscript: http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [EOF] [17:40] Updated player profile of John K- Lewis [17:42] Neo == JKL? [17:42] and who's JKW? [17:44] not Neo ;-) [17:46] Yay ... finally it works :) [17:46] err ... wrong window [18:00] Join: michal joined #corewars [18:00] MSG: Client Quit [18:01] Join: michal joined #corewars [18:06] gotta go now, maybe back later [18:06] * Fizmo waves [18:06] MSG: [18:07] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [18:07] hi [18:10] hi [18:10] Hi everybody :) [18:15] hello Fluffy [18:17] Still working on that damn MARS. I cannot pin down the bug (bugs?) in the C-implementation of the MARS. [18:18] did you try implementing checksums? [18:18] this way you could compare output with pmars [18:18] instruction by instruction [18:18] But at least now the debug-version of the MARS is faster ... about 6000 instructions/seconds (350 i/s in the previous version). That should be fast enough for debugging program [18:18] it really helps :) [18:20] I have already written a little test suite for the debug-version and it works well enough. [18:20] the idea is to print core checksum after each simulated instruction [18:20] I could send you a pmars copy that implements this [18:21] The problem is, that I cannot reproduce the conditions under which the wrong result is calculated (wrong score for pmars -P warrior1.red warrior2.red). [18:21] or you could download it from Joonas' page, if it's publically available [18:23] I've taken several warriors and let them fight against each other (in pmars) and have logged the executed instructions (+position of executed instruction). My MARS produces the same results. [18:23] Every time! [18:23] At least the debug-version does that. [18:24] so what is the problem then? :) [18:25] I have another MARS (a faster version, implemented as a C-module), which sometimes doesn't produce the correct results. [18:25] somethimes! :) [18:25] yes, sometimes :( [18:26] but at least it's fast [18:26] faster than pmars, slower than fmars, but fast enough [18:26] and buggy ;-) [18:27] how fast? [18:27] The buggy version? [18:27] yes [18:28] about 4.2 Megainstructions/second [18:28] hehe ... I love that megainstructions ;-) [18:28] how fast is your pc? [18:29] got 1GHz here with 3.5 MIs with pmars! :P [18:29] so about 29 cycles per instruction [18:29] that's fast ... [18:30] we should implement a hardware Mars ... with USB or something! :P [18:30] I have 2x500Mhz and use both processors [18:31] pmars on one processor: about 2.7-2.9 megainstructions/sec [18:31] how do you test it? [18:33] time pmars -r xxx warr1 warr2 ? :) [18:33] At the moment I take Freight Train v0.2 by David Moore and do a "pmars -r 1000 -F 2000 freightrain.red freightrain.red" [18:33] with two warriors that tie 100% [18:34] and how do you know how many cycles does it take to finish [18:34] from my mars [18:34] ah. [18:34] so what is the total number of cycles? :) [18:35] good question ... never have printed it ... one moment [18:35] rounds * 80000 (* 2?) on 94nop ruleset? [18:35] if they tie 100% [18:36] They tie the first round, but after that I don't know [18:38] michal: Forget the numbers ... my MARS cannot count :( I should have tested it, too before anouncing any results. [18:45] Results: 0 0 2000 [18:45] real 0m47.163s [18:45] user 0m47.067s [18:45] sys 0m0.010s [18:45] (2*80000*2000)/47.163 [18:45] 6784979.75107 [18:45] Did you take two imps? [18:46] warrior is some paper/stone from brx where the paper doesn't replicates after some time or so ... :P [18:48] so pmars on 1000GHz machine with around 6.7 MIs ;) [18:53] http://fiveop.homeip.net/mis.mpg :) [18:59] * elkauka waves [19:00] * fiveop waves [19:00] Part: elkauka left #corewars [19:06] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:38] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [20:11] Join: sascha joined #corewars [20:42] Part: Core29 left #corewars [20:42] meh. [21:17] MSG: [21:24] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:10] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [22:42] * fiveop waves [22:42] MSG: Quit: humhum [22:58] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:59] Join: datagram joined #corewars