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[07:06]	<datagram> Anyone awake?
[07:25]	<Mizcu> yah
[07:50]	<datagram> Hey Mizcu
[07:50]	<datagram> I had a question, but I figured it out myself : )
[07:51]	<datagram> Is there a program out that will determine qscan locations?
[07:51]	<datagram> I am writing a quick script for it
[07:59]	<Mizcu> I dont think so
[08:04]	<datagram> Hmm
[08:04]	<datagram> I'll finish it / release it after the tournament
[08:05]	<Mizcu> mm.. there might've been one for Q^4
[08:05]	<Mizcu> I am slightly unsure
[08:05]	<datagram> I kinda think jens has one
[08:05]	<datagram> Unless he did the math for his tutorial by hand...
[08:05]	<datagram> In any event, I have 10 more lines of code and it will be complete, I believe
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[09:08]	<Roy> Hi all
[09:09]	<Mizcu> h Roy
[09:09]	<Roy> Miz: Now I see why you are all crazy about civ4, its a nice game
[09:10]	<Roy> (The last one I played was Civ1, so i have to learn all over again)
[09:11]	<datagram> Hey roy
[09:15]	<Roy> Hrm, I'm very slow today, bruized my thumb yesterday
[09:16]	<Mizcu> If you need Civ-guiding, just ask..
[09:17]	<Roy> Heh, not much to ask I think, just trying stuff is probably best
[09:18]	<Roy> I'm currently playing at the lowest level, with realistic timing, so I have a lot of time to think about every move etc, and see it unfold, and I think its going well (I have a score of 1700 and the second below me 1200)
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[09:21]	<Mizcu> Either the second has been expanding well, or you a bit slowly, i have not yet met such high score from opponent when playing on lowest
[09:21]	<Roy> Heh, I'm the only one at war, and the other is expanding very well (I'm in a tight corner of the screen)
[09:22]	<Roy> But I almost wiped out the first kingdom, after that I'll have plenty more room to grow
[09:22]	<Mizcu> On other hand, i have unlearned recently the "tactics" i used with Civ2 and have become aggressive expansionist until about 500ad, after which i usually just use technological advantage
[09:24]	<Roy> Yeah, when you have lots of room to grow your in a advantage, its pretty safe to expand early on in the game, after that the borders are set and you'll have to really fight to expand the boundaries
[09:26]	* datagram is a Starcraft player from way back
[09:31]	<Roy> Ok, going to play a little, ciao
[09:31]	<Roy> (I'm really going to forget this cwset round now.. not started yet!)
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[14:09]	<elkauka> hi all
[14:10]	<datagram> Hey elkauka 
[14:10]	<elkauka> hi data
[14:10]	<datagram> Hows it goin
[14:11]	<elkauka> had a real funny  day
[14:11]	<datagram> How so/
[14:11]	<datagram> ?*
[14:11]	<elkauka> one of my friends comes up to may like this: heh, you know L337?
[14:12]	<elkauka> well i first thougth about this slang all the cs fellas use
[14:12]	<elkauka> but than he showed me a real programming language called L337
[14:12]	<elkauka> and he was damn proud about it
[14:12]	<Mizcu> I think i know it..
[14:12]	<datagram> Heh
[14:13]	<elkauka> a had a quick glance at it and said in return: heh, that looks like extanded brainfuck
[14:13]	<elkauka> and than i show him my brainfuck interpreter :)
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[14:14]	<datagram> Damn corewin
[14:14]	<elkauka> Mizcu: this one? -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L33t_programming_language
[14:15]	<elkauka> datagram: whats wrong with it?
[14:15]	<Mizcu> ah yes, i've pasted the same page here before
[14:15]	<elkauka> Mizcu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
[14:15]	<datagram> I am trying to write a qscanner optimizer, and am trying to match hullabaloo's routine, but corewin interprets the numbers differently
[14:15]	<datagram> I am 99% sure my code is not wrong
[14:17]	<datagram> So when I try to compare my numbers with corewins they are different
[14:17]	<datagram> the 6th location scanned by hullabaloo from my code is 5622
[14:17]	<datagram> (literal 5622, not relative)
[14:18]	<datagram> But the closest corewin has it at is 5640
[14:23]	<elkauka> you may have a word with the author of corewin than
[14:24]	<bvowk> greetings.
[14:24]	<datagram> I think it was the same problem that inversed ran into in the tournament
[14:24]	<datagram> I am going to try using pmars assembled code for the warrior in corewin
[14:36]	<datagram> Alright I'm just a jackass because pmars assembled code run in corewin does the same scans
[14:46]	<elkauka> :)
[14:47]	<datagram> Wait! maybe I'm not a jackass (lol)
[14:50]	<datagram> I think I  know the real problem
[14:59]	<Mizcu> http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html
[15:03]	<michal> I can't see it
[15:03]	<michal> DRM helmet is blurring my sight
[15:04]	<michal> (did I mentioned that my irc client sucks?)
[15:04]	<michal> (and my keyboard is all sticky)
[15:06]	<bvowk> eww.. 
[15:06]	<bvowk> why is your keyboard sticky?
[15:07]	<elkauka> cola does wonders on keyboards ... such as on cinema floors
[15:08]	<michal> I spilled tea with sugar on it a few days ago
[15:08]	<Mizcu> in short: DRM-program that Sony uses installs hidden stuff that cannot be uninstalled and that drains 1-2% resources 
[15:08]	<michal> I wonder why it came up now..
[15:08]	<elkauka> Mizcu: the is an uninstall prog oiut there
[15:08]	<elkauka> mom
[15:10]	<elkauka> http://www.heise.de/security/news/meldung/65688
[15:10]	<Mizcu> u-hum
[15:12]	<bvowk> I'd be seriously bent if I spilled something on this keyboard..
[15:12]	<bvowk> cost me 300 bux
[15:12]	<Mizcu> you bought Das keyboard?
[15:13]	<Mizcu> This wireless keyboard is half-dead anyway
[15:13]	<elkauka> 300 bucks for a keyboard?!? 
[15:14]	<Mizcu> Has taken more than just few cola-hits, i've sprayed with electronics-cleaning fluid and after it protecting stuff, and the p-stuff is to tacky that hairs get stuck in it
[15:19]	<bvowk> yeah.. its a kinesis ergonomic..
[15:19]	<bvowk> http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/elan.jpg
[15:20]	<michal> how do you use it? :)
[15:21]	<michal> I somehow cannot picture it
[15:21]	<Mizcu> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba/
[15:21]	<Mizcu> First time i've actually seen someplace selling that one
[15:24]	<bvowk> its actually pretty easy to get used to
[15:24]	<bvowk> my typing speed went up quite a bit after I got used to it..
[15:24]	<bvowk> took about 2 weeks
[15:24]	<bvowk> its *SO* much nicer on my wrists however...
[15:24]	<bvowk> I haven't had wrist pain since I switched
[15:27]	* elkauka waves
[15:27]	<bvowk> worth every penny :)
[15:27]	<bvowk> I actually got a few of them
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[15:40]	<Metcalf> Hi
[15:40]	<sascha> Hi John....Nice to see you
[15:40]	<Metcalf> :-) Thanks
[15:41]	<michal> so what are your thoughts about round 2? :)
[15:41]	<Metcalf> My thoughts? Something like "oh no!"
[15:43]	<sascha> not enough that two MAXPROCS are possible...8000/8 with pspace "no problem" but 8000/20-50 with pspace seems a thing of pure luck
[15:43]	<michal> without pspace?
[15:43]	<sascha> hope i get the right strategy to burn down chips entry...
[15:43]	<michal> you meant?
[15:43]	<sascha> yes...
[15:43]	<sascha> pspace is forbidden in rounds 2
[15:44]	<sascha> sorry, typo
[15:44]	<Metcalf> I have a couple of ideas.  I will probably try those, discover they don't work and write something standard
[15:45]	<Metcalf> Any idea what David Moore means here?
[15:45]	<Metcalf> ;strategy a basic imp/stone using a couple of innovations
[15:45]	<Metcalf> ;strategy found in published warriors
[15:45]	<Metcalf> ;strategy that have gone strangely unnoticed!
[15:46]	<sascha> the big difference between 8 and something between 20 and 50 is that standart strategies can work...coreclearpappers with a spl/mov/mov front can do very well with 40 procs
[15:46]	<michal> where is it from?
[15:46]	<Metcalf> Program "total crap" (length 39) by "some core war nerd"
[15:46]	<Metcalf> on the '94nop hill
[15:46]	<michal> I notice all innovations ;)
[15:47]	<Metcalf> I think I might have to censor the name when I include it on my website (logs / hof)
[15:47]	<Metcalf> I don't want google safesearch or parental control stuff blocking me.
[15:49]	<sascha> o.k, have to go....
[15:49]	<sascha> cu
[15:49]	* Metcalf waves
[15:49]	<sascha> cu at cwset ;-)
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[15:49]	<Metcalf> :-)
[15:49]	<michal> I will have to start coding today
[15:49]	<Metcalf> I think I would have noticed some neat new bit of code.
[15:49]	<michal> maybe it's old
[15:50]	<michal> maybe he was referring to his own warriors ;)
[15:50]	<Metcalf> Maybe it's something neat he spotted it Quicksilver or Uninvited!
[15:54]	<michal> http://redhanded.hobix.com/inspect/rubyCriesOut.html
[15:55]	<bvowk> hey metinator.
[15:55]	<Metcalf> :-)
[15:56]	<Metcalf> Hasta la vista Bvowky
[15:56]	<bvowk> 88.71%
[15:56]	<Metcalf> Just one day to go then?
[15:56]	<bvowk> no, it'll likely be all done later today
[15:56]	<bvowk> I've recruited some extra machines :)
[15:56]	<Metcalf> Nice :-)
[15:57]	<bvowk> but.. I expect postprocessing the score matrix will take at least 2 days
[15:57]	<Metcalf> Then what's the next project?
[15:57]	<Metcalf> Are you just going to give a hill link ranking?  1st down to 152,000th place?
[15:58]	<Metcalf> Or are you going to make one of these too? http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/hugetable.pl?hill94nop
[15:58]	<bvowk> Pk has been on about a optimal circle packing thing.. and I've got my evolver to restart..
[15:58]	<bvowk> and I've gotta kick some ass in nethack
[15:58]	<bvowk> met: a huge table like that would be about 40GB!
[15:59]	<bvowk> well..
[15:59]	<bvowk> 152,000 * 152000 * 3 bytes assuming  for the the ascii score matrix..
[16:00]	<Metcalf> Hmmm....
[16:00]	<bvowk> sorry.. 66GB
[16:00]	<bvowk> I'm willing to post it.. but I don't think you'll want to download it! :)
[16:01]	<bvowk> although, I think I might post a score matrix for the top 2000 or so if you like
[16:01]	<bvowk> thats only 11MB
[16:01]	<bvowk> he who asked to not be mentioned is likely going to try som'ing
[16:02]	<bvowk> maybe not the full run..
[16:02]	<Metcalf> <td bgcolor='#123456'>123</td> = 30 characters. over 660GB for the nice colour version
[16:04]	<bvowk> I think we'll start calling "he who asked not be mentioned" = sonaj..
[16:04]	<bvowk> sounds indian.
[16:05]	<bvowk> nobody better consider outsourcing their corewars projects to indian programmers btw, just look at the prime corewar realestate that indian guy it sitting on..
[16:05]	<bvowk> I propose an embargo!
[16:06]	<bvowk> cause when we make the front page of slashdot, corewars gets a million hits that go nowhere..
[16:08]	<bvowk> anyways.. I better go to work before I get outsourced myself. :)
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[16:11]	<datagram> scanlist.append((qptr+qz*(qc2-1)+qb2)%core)
[16:11]	<datagram> Does anyone see syntax errors on that line?
[16:11]	<datagram> It's giving me an error, but I don't see why
[16:11]	* Metcalf would like to outsource some of his corewar load!
[16:12]	<Metcalf> Hmmm... looks fine, what language? ;-)
[16:12]	<datagram> Python
[16:12]	<datagram> And yeah it IS fine.....I don't see what's wrong! lol
[16:12]	<datagram> python q.py
[16:12]	<datagram>   File "q.py", line 43
[16:12]	<datagram>     scanlist.append((qptr+qz*(qc2-1)+qb2)%core)
[16:12]	<datagram>            ^
[16:12]	<datagram> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[16:13]	<datagram> Its properly tabbed, all variables exist.....list.append() isn't rocket science....
[16:13]	<Metcalf> have you used a reserved word? I can't help I don't know python
[16:13]	<datagram> No because lines before it work for scanlist.append too
[16:13]	<bvowk> datagram: you've mixed spaces and tabs somewhere I expect
[16:14]	<bvowk> or you've missed a : on a block preceeding that
[16:14]	<datagram> No I checked the tabs
[16:15]	<datagram> Missed a : ?
[16:16]	<datagram> Ah there we go
[16:16]	<datagram> Wasnt even that line
[16:16]	<datagram> Line above it was missing closing )
[16:20]	<datagram> Oh my god this is making me want to claw my god damn eyes out
[16:20]	<datagram> These 2 locations are still screwed up
[16:20]	<datagram> Both off by 680
[16:20]	<Metcalf> :-(
[16:21]	<datagram> I even went so far as to copy the alrogithm directly for each scanned line from Jen's tutorial.....
[16:21]	<datagram> But not
[16:21]	<datagram> Jesus hates me :'(
[16:21]	<Metcalf> What are the constants in the qscan?
[16:22]	<Metcalf> Why not use MiniQ^3?
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[16:42]	<bvowk> pak?
[16:42]	* bvowk tries zlib on pak21..
[16:43]	<pak21> See the bottom of Core Warrior (vaguely embarrasingly
[16:43]	<pak21> as I haven't written any of it for /years/)
[16:44]	<Metcalf> Hi Phil! :-)
[16:44]	<bvowk> jebus! its phil?!
[16:45]	<bvowk> shocking.
[16:45]	<bvowk> what brings you here?
[16:46]	<pak21> Avoiding work, mostly :-)
[16:46]	<bvowk> ahh.
[16:47]	<Metcalf> :-)
[16:47]	<bvowk> anything interesting to tell us about?
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[17:13]	<datagram> python q.py
[17:13]	<datagram> [3356, 5334, 1248, 3226, 7748, 1534, 5640, 7618, 3408, 5386, 5396, 3278, 4332, 6553, 2224, 4444, 3844, 5579, 1736, 3470, 8184, 1970, 1980, 8053, 2204, 4181, 2496, 4473, 3070, 5047, 6679, 464, 1838]
[17:13]	<datagram> Boo yah.
[17:14]	<Metcalf> :-)
[17:14]	<datagram> Now......I CAN FINALLY OPTIMIZE
[17:14]	<datagram> haha
[17:16]	<michal> I didn't solve the 'hardest' problem in today's topcoder
[17:16]	<michal> due to java's braindead collections..
[17:16]	<Metcalf> What's topcoder?
[17:16]	<michal> (but I'm only learning java! yesterday I didn't know how to write hello world)
[17:16]	<michal> Metcalf: a programming competition
[17:16]	<Metcalf> Aha, I like those!
[17:16]	<Metcalf> I'm never very good at them though
[17:16]	<datagram> Its pretty cool
[17:16]	<datagram> Hehe
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[17:18]	<Fizmo> hi
[17:19]	<Metcalf> Hi Christian
[17:19]	<Metcalf> You just missed Phil
[17:27]	<Fizmo> Hi
[17:28]	<Fizmo> oh, really :-/
[17:28]	<Fizmo> haven't checked the log so far
[17:28]	<Metcalf> Can you think what David Moore might mean in his '94nop entry strategy lines?
[17:29]	<Fizmo> no idea
[17:29]	<Fizmo> maybe impish?
[17:30]	<Metcalf> Hmmm...
[17:30]	<Fizmo> Oversby's Impish
[17:33]	<Fizmo> BTW, the problem with compiling is because of a bug in pmars and not in CoreWin
[17:33]	<Metcalf> Oh?  Overflow or brackets?
[17:34]	<datagram> Hey Fizmo 
[17:34]	<Fizmo> hi datagram
[17:34]	<Fizmo> BTW, the problem with compiling is because of a bug in pmars and not in CoreWin
[17:34]	<datagram> I saw
[17:34]	<datagram> That's good news
[17:34]	<datagram> Tonight was "get driven crazy by qscan and wonder if it might be corewin" night until I finally fixed it!
[17:34]	<Fizmo> well, we just have to fix it in pmars, but I don't know who is responsible for bugfixing
[17:34]	<datagram> After the tournament I have a bunch of scripts to release : )
[17:38]	<Fizmo> yay, got it work :-)
[17:38]	<Fizmo> let's hope it will give some few extra points
[17:40]	<Metcalf> Fizmo: Got what to work
[17:40]	<Fizmo> a nice snippet to make bootstrapping small but fast
[17:40]	<bvowk> sonaj does alot of the bug fixes for pmars iirc
[17:40]	<bvowk> send him a bug report
[17:41]	<Fizmo> yes, that's what I'll do
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[17:42]	<Fluffy> :)
[17:42]	<datagram> Hello Jens
[17:42]	<Metcalf> Hi Fluffy
[17:43]	<Fizmo> hi Jens
[17:44]	<Fluffy> :)
[17:50]	<datagram> Night all
[17:51]	* Fizmo waves
[17:52]	<Fizmo> hmm, get less points than with the old version. So a snippet for nothing :-/
[17:52]	<Metcalf> Goodnight Datagram
[17:52]	<Metcalf> Which hill?
[17:53]	<Fluffy> hmm ... "some core war nerd" on 94nop
[17:53]	<Metcalf> David Moore
[17:53]	<Fluffy> :)
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[17:55]	<sascha> Hi
[17:57]	<Metcalf> Hi Sascha
[17:57]	<Fizmo> hi Sascha
[17:58]	<sascha> Hi Master of cwset...and possible Winner of cwset ;-)
[17:58]	<Fizmo> lol, who?
[17:58]	<Fluffy> me, of course ;-)
[17:58]	<Fluffy> Hi Sascha!
[17:58]	<Metcalf> Certainly not me
[17:59]	<sascha> Hi Jens
[17:59]	<sascha> Metcalf - Master of crazy ideas - magical snippets for the irct - and founder of some awesome scanner thingys like the zooom trick and oos....
[18:00]	<Metcalf> You've been reading my who's who entry!
[18:01]	<Metcalf> Has anyone seen this before? http://web.umr.edu/~bblaha/CEC2002_Paper.pdf
[18:01]	<sascha> no, that my personalö opinion
[18:02]	<Metcalf> Don't miss out the .75c scan loop then.
[18:02]	<Metcalf> Everyone told me it wouldn't work.
[18:02]	<sascha> are the who is whos ready.. ?
[18:02]	<Metcalf> Even now people look at the code and tell me it doesn't work.
[18:02]	<Metcalf> Only about 5 people.
[18:02]	<Metcalf> I am working on it slowly
[18:03]	<Metcalf> I will eventually link peoples names on the infinano and infitiny to their Who's Who entry.
[18:03]	<Metcalf> I can make the scheduler do it automatically
[18:03]	<Fluffy> Metcalf: Don't know the text and I've read a lot of texts about evolving
[18:07]	<bvowk> interesting.
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[18:16]	<Metcalf> Okay time to go.
[18:16]	<sascha> cu
[18:17]	* Metcalf waves
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[19:04]	<Fizmo> hi
[19:04]	<Fizmo> HI!!!
[19:05]	<Fizmo> Hi Phil, how nice to see you here  :)
[19:05]	<Fizmo> wow
[19:06]	<pak21> Hi...
[19:07]	<Fizmo> what a surprise :)
[19:07]	<Fizmo> How is going?
[19:16]	<pak21> Pulled out my IRC client for the first time in years :-)
[19:16]	<Fizmo> :)
[19:21]	<Fizmo> you missed John by just 10 minutes
[19:25]	<pak21> Had a chat with him a little earlier
[19:26]	<Fizmo> Heh, you remember Redcode Maniacs Tournament :)
[19:27]	<Fizmo> I actually organize a cw tournament which is still in progress
[19:29]	<Fizmo> wow, 7 years ago. That was the time I went to Finland
[19:30]	<Fizmo> well, time for me to leave.
[19:31]	* Fizmo waves
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[21:52]	<sascha> o.k, time to sleep
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