[03:24] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [06:26] Join: Prawn joined #corewars [06:27] Hi all. [06:33] MSG: Quit: User pushed the X - because it's seXy! [06:44] Join: datagram_ joined #corewars [06:46] Join: PrawnJuic joined #corewars [08:07] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [08:21] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [08:42] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [08:46] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:20] Join: pak21 joined #corewars [09:55] MSG: [12:19] MSG: Quit: Leaving [14:38] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [14:38] Hi [14:39] h Jens [14:40] I "just" managed to find my old laptop and to install Debian on it. Seems to work well enough :-) [14:40] It is quite a change to use a prebuild system again [14:41] Join: sayembara joined #corewars [14:42] Hi sayembara! [14:42] hi ! [14:43] doing some coding? [14:43] Who? Me? [14:43] yes [14:44] No, just trying to remember how to use Debian. [14:44] It's been a long time since I've used it the last time [14:44] nice stuff....hope you can remember and rcallwht's missing :) [14:45] Morning [14:45] morning ! [14:46] ok...see you later. going to fine tune my psapcer. so little space, so much to put. [14:46] It works well enough, but I prefer to install everything myself. Normally I would use LFS, but on a machine with 133 MHz it would take quite a long time [14:46] * Fluffy waves [14:46] Hi datagram! [14:47] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [14:48] Sup [14:48] Are you in losers bracket this round or did you drop out? [14:49] You mean for the Second Chance Tournament? My warrior is almost ready :-) [15:01] bbl [15:01] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [15:50] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [15:57] Jens returns! [16:01] Yes, now with a fully functional Debian :-) [16:10] Heh [16:10] I'm a slackware dude [16:10] But I hear good things about Debian [16:10] Realistically I'd probably run FreeBSD over Debian if I had to pick, though [16:11] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [16:11] Hi willvarfa! [16:11] I believe that's the next laptop [16:11] A FreeBSD laptop [16:11] But not for a few months [16:12] datagram: Normally I'd take LFS, but I didn't want to wast too much time with that slow laptop. [16:12] hi folks [16:12] datagram: And accidentally I already had a net-install CD for Debian. [16:14] Hehe [16:14] Whatever works [16:14] I really don't ask much of any system I use [16:14] Just like........vi [16:14] But that's about it [16:15] I need a like dual core sempron so I can run vi at max settings : P : P [16:23] Fluffy: LFS ... ;) [16:24] yes? [16:30] Goodnight gents [16:30] Fluffy, Who are you playing this round? [16:31] Well, I'll check my logs when I wake up [16:31] Night [16:42] * willvarfa stretches [16:48] I need a faster processor anyway.. [16:49] XP 3000+ 89e cheapest [16:50] why? [16:50] Civ 4 doesnt run smoothly [16:50] should have known that it's cause would be game :) [17:07] MSG: Quit: hometime [17:07] and if optimax gets also faster, thats only a bonus ;) [17:08] civ4 any good? [17:08] i like it [17:10] sort of modified civ 3 [17:10] uses Python for scripting so its supposed to be easy to mod [17:12] however because of the 3d-graphics its a bit heavy for a civ [17:19] it looks much the same as civ2, but 3d [17:19] is the game the same? [17:26] * willvarfa waves [17:26] MSG: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919] [17:47] Join: RoyAway joined #corewars [17:48] Miz: Civ4 is really hard on my laptop too... bit slow, especialy in later stages of the game (when you are at war with 3/4 countries) [17:48] Nick Change: RoyAway changed nick to Roy [17:50] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [17:51] hi@all [17:51] hi enemy :) [17:52] hehe hi arch enemy [17:52] Wow, optimax is telling me I got a score of 158.25.... [17:53] But I think thats a malfunction of some kind, the stonestep is 17 :-S can't be optimal!!? [17:54] arrows scan step is 18 [17:55] Well yes, scanstep, but a stone... [17:56] Hi Roy, elkauka :-) [17:56] hi fluffy :) [17:57] hi JENS :-P [17:57] Sorry, I just can't call a grown man fluffy all the time ;-) [17:58] Why not? [17:58] Just think of me as a little boy and then everything should be ok ;-) [17:59] Heh don't know, thats just wrong.. and its probably even more wrong when I think about a little boy! [17:59] hmm [18:01] was the 158.25 for your 3rd Hulla? [18:09] Yeah [18:09] But only 250 rounds, so.. [18:10] then try it on 94nop :-) [18:10] noo.. [18:10] yes [18:11] he roy: what do you send for the quater finals? [18:12] I'll send a nice stone/imp I hacked up, you? [18:12] (I'm not stupid...) [18:13] Even though I look and sound so ;-) [18:13] well, it was worse an try [18:16] Fluffy: any tips how to beat roy? [18:17] besides: has anybody heared something form brx since the last round? [18:17] yes [18:17] try to win ;-) [18:17] But apart from that I don't really know [18:17] aww, thats a lousy hint [18:17] How about me sending you the code of HFB [18:18] is hfb already published? [18:19] hmm ... no [18:19] no use to send it to me, if you wont it to be published [18:19] Maybe you should take Hullabaloo and remove the qscan [18:19] Roy would never think of that [18:20] :) [18:22] What a great idea Fluffy..!! [18:22] But you should take into account, that I've lost against Roy [18:23] How about using vamps are back? [18:25] thats to obvious [18:25] Then take some other of Roy's warriors [18:25] So is sending Hulla or Maelstrom :-) [18:26] Hehe, that would be unfair ;-) [18:26] or both with a p switch :) [18:26] Ask fizmo for Mandra's code [18:26] Or mke your own version..! [18:28] No, that you be obvious ;-) [18:29] How about a pspacer (Hulla+some scanner), which switches on tie/loss [18:30] You mean evening breeze? [18:30] (see draft hill) [18:30] Does it fit into 50 insns? [18:31] No idea, lost the code :-( [18:31] hmm [18:31] But its just Moore's warrior with Hullabaloo instead of his stone+paper [18:32] Easy to reproduce [18:34] Cool, I was looking for some parts for a robot I wanted to make, but they wheren't available outside the US, so I could only order them via creditcard, but now I found a website that made almost the same part, and they are going to send me four samples!! [18:34] (Thats enough for two robots, yay!) [18:36] What is your robot for? [18:37] Fun :-) [18:37] Jens> I send a test to 94nop... [18:38] Its going to be a very small BEAM robot [18:39] Well, what do you know, its likes the bunny [18:42] hmm ... let's wait until the dat ... or does the dat kill your warrior? [18:42] yup it kills it, but I say it was 3 points better, thats good [18:43] When your warrior fought the hill and you go to the huge array you can see the scores as-would-be datted [18:43] So will you kill HullabaTwo? [18:43] Naaah [18:43] Not for those silly 3 points [18:43] hehe ... that will be tough [18:44] I mean not killing H2 [18:44] because you probably have to wait a lot of time before H3 is pushed off [18:44] Well yeah, I can live with that.. [18:45] Otoh its not the oldest warrior I have on the hill [18:46] I think I never had the oldest warrior on the hill... [18:47] Nick Change: Roy changed nick to RoyAway [18:47] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [18:47] hi [18:47] Gone for a while, last evening I'll see my sister this year (ack!) [18:47] Hi Fizmo! [18:48] hi Jens [19:09] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [19:10] hi [19:10] Hi [19:11] I saw your discussion on log regarding PIN [19:11] and? was JM right? [19:11] the #0 field won't be shared by both warriors [19:11] oh... so, normal pspacing is still an option, then [19:11] so the results for each round will be independant for both warriors [19:11] but all other p-space fields will be shared [19:12] well, that shouldn't be a big problem [19:12] well, you can write p-warrior but it may have some risk, because the opponent has access to your values as well ;-) [19:12] not a big chance of chooding the same number. and I'm not very afraid of brainwashing [19:13] yes, I think, that Nenad it right [19:13] so, what - while he wastes time trying to alter my values, I'll kill him conventionally [19:13] if you take the time to brainwash you opponent you will be probably dead soon [19:14] well, you have to spend just the first round to see if the opponent uses p-space or not [19:14] hmm [19:15] and if you rely on brainwashing and someone sends a nop warrior, you're dead meat [19:15] nice warrior, Fizmo. HFB likes it. Unfortunately it won't be long on the hill [19:15] since those routines take space and time in your warrior... [19:15] heh, I think now you start to understand the PIN snippet. p-space could be a big advantage but also a big risk [19:17] yes... well, I'll just toss the dice, and if it lands on an even number, I'll make a pspacer, if it is odd, I'll send a nop entry [19:18] heh. the hill is aging [19:19] yup ... sent another one and the hill will be older :) [19:20] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [19:21] How far are you with your oneshot-tutorial, Nenad? [19:21] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [19:21] I think that I'll join the party and send some warrior tests myself now [19:21] back [19:22] Fluffy: I've been spending most of the time these days with my girlfriend, so I didn't do much ... but I will continue soon [19:23] I'm mostly working on some tests for the tutorial, not so much on the text in tutorial [19:23] = warriors to write about [19:24] I've experimented a little with oneshot -> clear/imp today, but didn't make a good one yet [19:25] I'm not sure what's the best way to launch imps, how many processes to give to the spiral, etc. , to use ssd or dclear... many things to test [19:25] now i am depressed [19:25] ? [19:25] why? [19:25] We lost on the map we are strongest map, the attack took 18 mins, then attacked at 4.. [19:25] then they chose the map everyone in clan hates [19:26] still playing et? [19:26] yah [19:27] we have an own server now for the lectures :) [19:28] Jens: I'll try feeding HFB a little now with some sai ... but I don't think they'll be good enough to remain on the hill [19:30] Nenad: I also have made a oneshot -> clear/imp [19:30] :) [19:31] just 112 points against the 94nop fsh, so not very good [19:31] maybe i should start making the warrior now.. [19:31] Fizmo: the problem with my test was that it tied way too much [19:32] and lost to scanners more than expected [19:32] so, i'm not sure if I can actually make it work well [19:32] yep, and the scores against stone/imps aren't that exciting as well [19:34] Nenad: Now you really want to age the hill :) [19:34] :) [19:35] I only need 6 more challenges to have my first +150-warrior :) [19:36] I still cannot believe, that it is my first warrior, which is older than 20 :) [19:36] well, you're not making any new ones, so that is understandable [19:36] pure luck, pure luck [19:36] :) [19:36] ;-) [19:36] pure optimax, pure optimax ?;) [19:37] Fizmo: when is the next CoreWarrior issue going to be ready, do you know? [19:37] nenad: I'm busy, but of course you're right. [19:39] sai can't possibly survive on the hill now - 4 warriors there ready to shred them to little pieces [19:39] Fizmo: It wasn't pure luck. I've simply collected all types of papers and tested a lot of combinations [19:39] ... and found a good one :) [19:41] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [19:49] I've got to go... [19:49] * Nenad waves [19:49] MSG: [19:50] * Fluffy waves [19:50] Hi Core29! [20:01] another one for the 94nop [20:03] :) [20:03] Part: elkauka left #corewars [20:06] hmm ... close [20:08] outta ideas.. [20:13] Join: Core29_ joined #corewars [20:14] that looks better [20:16] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:18] hi! [20:18] hi [20:19] how is going? [20:20] well...not that bad [20:20] but too much work [20:20] too little spare time [20:20] you know [20:20] like most of us, I guess =) [20:21] next week to go...then 2 weeks holiday [20:21] and time to play around with pmars... [20:26] So then we'll see you soon on the hills then ;-) [20:27] I hope so ... [20:27] I think, corewars is really hard to master [20:28] I remember my first contact - i read the article in "spektrum". It's the german version of Scientific American. [20:28] well, it's not that hard to understand but pretty challenging to enter the hills [20:28] ya [20:29] heh, yes. That was my first contact to corewar too [20:29] Or you could just optimax your way to the hill.. [20:29] Thats how most people do it ;-) [20:29] I was a child then, but later when I had my amiga I had a corewars-shareware version... i swapped disks with warriors with a friend [20:29] there was also the possibility to order a windows programm [20:29] that was pretty cool [20:29] really? [20:30] can't remember... [20:30] hey, could it be that we already had years ago a small email contact? [20:31] mh...I don't remember that, either... [20:31] sure? [20:31] I remember to email with someone who has wrote his own corewar emulator [20:31] but I don't remember if it was for Amiga or C64 [20:32] nah, that's not me... [20:32] I'm sure I am *not* able to program that thing... ;-) [20:32] I just begin to understand how the new standard works [20:33] on my amiga I had '88 standard [20:33] Quake 4 warez-loads gone over 2 million at *beep* [20:35] Nick Change: RoyAway changed nick to Roy [20:36] Mizcu: Why should anybody would download that? [20:36] hehe [20:36] Probably I'm asking the wrong person [20:37] Because its *HOT* *NEW* , it has big name, and its "free" [20:37] i dont give a damn about it either.. [20:37] Then we have different definitions of "free" ;-) [20:38] notice that i used " " [20:38] yes, that is why I used them, too ;-) [20:41] grr ... I've just remembered, why I didn't want to use linux-distributions in the first place [20:41] they are only fine as long as you don't want to make it differently from the distribution's way :( [20:51] ok, time for me to go [20:52] * Fizmo waves [20:52] * Fluffy waves [20:52] MSG: [21:08] time to go, too [21:09] * Fluffy waves [21:09] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [21:16] MSG: [21:59] MSG: [22:00] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [22:28] n8 [22:28] MSG: Quit: humhum [22:46] Join: Roy joined #corewars