[06:48] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [07:49] Join: thedog- joined #corewars [07:49] loa ll [07:51] HI [07:51] how are you datagram [07:51] Working on some stuff, but good I suppose [07:52] I try to understand some school cases from codewarrior newsletter [07:52] If you need help I am here [07:52] I am working on a corewar presentation at the moment... [07:53] yes, i am bit disappointed by some pointers imbricated in spl and dat codes. can i flush an example here ? [07:53] Sure [07:53] start spl 1, <300 ;\ [07:53] spl 1, <150 ; generate 7 consecutive processes [07:53] mov -1, 0 ;/ [07:53] silk spl 3620, #0 ;split to new copy [07:53] mov.i >-1, }-1 ;copy self to new location [07:53] mov.i bomb, >2005 ;linear bombing [07:54] mov.i bomb, }2042 ;A-indirect bombing for anti-vamp [07:54] add.a #50, silk ;distance new copy [07:54] jmp silk, bomb dat.f >2667, >5334 ;anti-imp bo [07:54] 1- what is the use of the <300 and <150 imbricated in the spl codes at the beginning [07:54] Since the b-field does nothing you can use those instructions to turn a dat 0, 0 in the core to dat 0, -1 [07:54] And if a scanner sees that it will bomb it [07:55] It's called core coloring [07:55] 2 - why dat. >2667, >5334 is a better antiimp than dat #0,#0 ? same reason ? [07:55] ok :) [07:55] The 2667 and 5334 are anti imp numbers [07:55] They break up the imp spiral [07:55] because there are double of each other ? [07:55] ok [07:55] Because the imp spiral is a group of processes that works together to move through memory [07:56] but if you mess up it's order in the tail or the executing instruction it misplaces the next instruction and the spiral falls apart [07:57] I made an anti-imp scanner 1 shot blast but it looses say 20% of the time, how can i optimise it ? is there a better instruction than dat for killing an imp ? [07:57] Well [07:57] There are different ways to kill imps [07:57] Killing it with dat is as effective as anything else [07:57] Killed is killed [07:58] sure [07:58] But if you try SSD clear against imps it is not as effective as SJD (something I used in the tournament round that just went by) [07:58] i guess slowing it down is much more effective with a spl 0 [07:58] Not always [07:58] SSD can make it so that you help the imp by helping it regenerate [07:59] SJD ? SSD ? sorry, i don't match these [07:59] SJD works better by throwing the processes around memory [07:59] spl-spl-dat clear [07:59] spl-jmp-dat [07:59] spl the imp to a jmp that goes to a dat ? [07:59] Look at [08:00] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/cwset2005/quarter/planter.red [08:00] Run it in corewin/pmars [08:00] And you'll see it does a spl and jmp clear at the same time [08:01] the Core Clear SJD section ? [08:01] Yeah [08:02] o i gonna run thru this [08:02] thks for your info [08:02] np [08:02] Have you read the imp paper? [08:03] http://www.koth.org/info/chapter1.html [08:03] i guess immediate values come from standard optimisation ? [08:03] They're coresize specific [08:03] The anti imp things in dat are specific to 8000 [08:04] Because the step sizes for an imp to work are 2667 (3 point imp) in 8000 cores [08:04] i took the corewarrior newsletter from the beginning :) [08:05] Cool [08:05] explanation are interesting but often use implicit knowledges that beginners don't understand [08:05] I am a beginner as well [08:05] Maybe more of a rookie, now, because of the tournament, but no pro [08:07] i am into corewars since a week but i was daring to play in it since years [08:07] i took advantage of a vacation for it but it comes to its end a few days [08:55] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [09:26] Heh [09:35] thedog-, Well, I am not very good but playing in this tournament taught me ALOT of new strategies an how existing things work/can be integrated into your code [09:45] hi Mizcu [10:19] Join: caesar joined #corewars [11:58] MSG: Quit: Bye... [12:10] MSG: [12:44] Join: caesar joined #corewars [12:45] hi [12:47] Join: cube joined #corewars [12:47] MSG: Client Quit [12:47] Join: cube joined #corewars [12:48] hiho freaks [12:49] what's going on? [12:49] What a terrible thing to say [12:49] why? [12:49] Kidding [12:49] i dont understand... [12:49] It's a joke [12:50] ok [12:50] What's new [12:50] nothing is new...i have my first warrior..but i don't understand all things that he does.. [12:51] Heh, well didn't you make him? [12:51] yes i do [12:52] but...i took a warrior from an tutorial and retyped it... [12:54] If you need help I'll be awake for another 3-4 hours [12:58] k [13:10] MSG: Quit: Bye... [13:12] someone else in thios channel? [13:21] * thedog- is folding origamis [13:24] lol [13:24] why do you fold origamis? [13:51] fiveop, Awake? [13:53] wb fiveop [14:04] we fold 1000 origami cranes to support a person who's very ill in my wife family [14:05] k... [14:12] datagram, what is the PIN 13 line in your planter example ? [14:23] In that round we had to share p-space [14:23] PIN is the secret identifier for p-space, so when everyone has it set the same they share p-space [14:27] * cube is away: hava a shower [14:30] ok :) [14:37] * cube is back (gone 00:09:22) [14:51] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [14:51] hi [14:51] oh, many new people in here today [14:52] hiho elkauka [14:52] hi cube [14:53] whats going on? [14:54] quite tired today ... the EAD practice was quite boring [14:55] whast EAD? [14:55] what's [14:55] introduktion algorithms and datastrucktures [14:56] k [14:56] where do you come from? [14:56] only with the german words for it ... introduktion=einführung ...the rest is almost the sam [14:56] e [14:57] germany ^^ [14:57] i thought that [14:58] actually i'm from berlin to be exact, but currently im in magdeburg 'cause i study computer science there [14:58] *i'm [14:59] where are u from cube? [14:59] sascha says if there are questions i can ask you and some other germans in this channel... [15:00] i come from Cottbus,you? [15:00] yes [15:00] Hey elkauka [15:00] yesterday sascha tried to explain me some corewarfunctions.. [15:00] How's it goin [15:00] well its ok [15:01] and you? [15:01] Finishing up my corewar ppt [15:01] Giving a presentation tonight :) [15:03] About 30 slieds [15:03] Slides* [15:04] Alot of the same data that is in 1.21 intro to redcode thing, but hopefully explained better [15:04] Also gets into some strategy and expands on things like p-space to note that people use p-warriors and brainwashers [15:17] Join: ehy_key joined #corewars [15:17] hiho [15:17] hi [15:21] datagram, where do you give your presentation ? [15:22] Join: Metcalf joined #corewars [15:22] Hi [15:23] hi Metcalf [15:23] One mo, just read the logs [15:24] hi metcalf [15:25] Hi :-) [15:25] What are you working on at the moment? [15:26] Any ideas for a new CW-Comic? ;-) [15:26] a CW comic ? [15:26] Yes [15:26] http://www.familie-kersten.homepage.t-online.de/johannes/cwcomics.txt [15:27] i have a new webspace - i on to move the whole site [15:27] Oh, do you know the new URL yet so I can update my links? [15:28] nice nice :) [15:28] it hasnt yet moved, but here is the url anyway: csstudent.cs.funpic.de [15:29] Okay, I'll watch out for it and update at the right time [15:30] i'm going to give you a note than [15:30] cool nice comic @metcalf nicht schlecht ... [15:30] ehy_key: elkauka writes them :-) [15:30] oh ok ^^ [15:32] The best corewar websites are all linked from http://corewar.co.uk/links.htm - it's worth checking to see if you've missed anything [15:33] anybody knows who used the stone in elf first? [15:34] Elven King? [15:35] mom. [15:36] no just "elf" by fizmo [15:36] Hmmm... [15:37] Okay, please point me to Elf, I haven't found it yet [15:38] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [15:38] Hi everybody :) [15:38] Hi FLuffy [15:39] hi fluffy [15:40] ehy_key: Haven't seen you here before. New to corewar? [15:40] datagram: now I'm here ;) [15:40] hiho fluffy [15:40] bvowk: Is your nano-report now ready? [15:41] waiting for the 50K report :-) [15:41] hmhm [15:41] So it isn't ready yet? [15:41] Fluffy: look at the logs, there was a link yesterday [15:41] The 152K report is ready. The 50K report is still the one with the wrong warriors / scores [15:42] http://www.math.ualberta.ca/~bvowk/files/report.txt [15:42] fiveop: Yesterday's data wasn't correct [15:43] John: How big is it. I'm sitting on a VERY old machine atm. [15:43] The data at the above link is correct, about 12meg [15:43] Shouldn't it be possible to build a microprocessor on a pci card who's only purpose is to run redcode :P [15:43] Fluffy: 12MB [15:43] hmm ... a little bit too much for that computer [15:44] bvowk: How about compressing the data? Would be nice. [15:44] Hang on, if you don't want to download it I'll paste the lot here for you [15:45] Rank %W %T %L Name Score [15:45] 1 48.5 15.9 35.7 SHUTTING.RED.rc 161.30 [15:45] 2 47.9 17.4 34.7 ABYSS.RED.rc 160.99 [15:45] 3 52.0 4.1 44.0 LOOKING.RED.rc 159.98 [15:45] 4 48.8 11.6 39.6 28535-1780-biostat-xt2 158.00 [15:45] 5 48.1 13.4 38.5 qopt-333642763.rc 157.76 [15:45] 6 48.5 11.6 39.9 13762-5713-gedankenpolizei 157.03 [15:45] hehe ... Roy will like that [15:45] ... [15:45] 152170 7.5 24.0 68.5 qopt-2776135354.rc 46.40 [15:45] 152171 13.1 3.9 83.0 qopt-450490699.rc 43.14 [15:45] 152172 7.6 17.7 74.7 qopt-1443322735.rc 40.46 [15:45] 152173 7.7 13.5 78.8 qopt-3404531019.rc 36.64 [15:45] 152174 4.5 21.4 74.1 qopt-3037478294.rc 34.87 [15:45] 152175 7.0 11.7 81.4 qopt-4047236889.rc 32.60 [15:46] There are only about 250 warriors which score below 100 [15:47] I had a question.....but now I don't remember [15:47] The top 8465 all score over 150.00 [15:47] It would be interesting to know how many different forms are there in this "hill". [15:47] thedog-, USA [15:48] datagram: Try another ;-) [15:48] The top 72679 all score over 140.00 [15:48] does somebody know a good mars for linux???but not pmars [15:48] optimars [15:48] The top 122685 all score over 130.00 [15:49] cube: fmars or exhaust [15:49] cube : corewars but pspace is strange on it [15:49] Exhaust is faster than optimars? [15:49] Metcalf: On which place is on speed? [15:50] datagram: Don't know, I only know, that exhaust is a little bit faster than pmars [15:50] 14th [15:50] Ah, then I think optimars is better...3x as fast as pmars, I believe [15:50] My presentation is going to be given in 12 hours! [15:50] the dog...butz in corewars i can't start my redcode warriors.. [15:50] Working on the last few slides now [15:50] Any of you have Office/OpenOffice? I could email it to you [15:50] The 50K report should be more interesting, all the warriors we are familiar with will be included [15:51] why? [15:51] datagram: 3x pmars would be faster than fmars ... very unlikely [15:51] *shrug* [15:52] Metcalf: I hope so. I would really love to know how good Taking over Nano is [15:52] With 16 Bytes you have enough space for data, that unambigously defines every possible nano warrior [15:52] but what i have to do that in pmars one one warrior starts? [15:52] cube: pmars -e warrior.red [15:53] then you are in debug-mode [15:53] and you can step by pressing "s" through the execution [15:53] datagram: I would like to look at it ;) [15:54] I haven't got office [15:54] No OO either? [15:54] No. [15:54] : ( [15:54] datagram: Could you please export your files to pdf :) [15:54] I don't need it [15:54] I would like to have a look at them, too [15:54] I don't have OO on the machine that it's on [15:55] datagram: send it! :) [15:55] Any quick tool to convert? [15:55] +to me [15:55] fiveop, One sec let me move it from this other machine [15:55] Email? [15:55] thx fluffy....muss ich an jeden corewars code die endung .red ranhängen? [15:55] cube: kommt auf die umgebung [15:57] datagram: see query [16:02] fiveop, Still need to add 3d corewars and some other finishing stuff (and those 3 blank slides...they need code and explanation, obviously) [16:02] fiveop, If you have OO please export to PDF for Fluffy an Metcalf ! [16:03] Actually...Maybe I can [16:03] Let me remote into a machine, one sec [16:04] Join: Fluff1 joined #corewars [16:05] (ignore me ... I'm working on another machine for a moment) [16:12] Fluffy, Metcalf Sent you the PDFs [16:12] * cube have to go off [16:12] i'm back in the evening.. [16:12] * elkauka waves [16:13] datagram, may i ask you the pdf too ? [16:13] Email? [16:13] MSG: Quit: ... cu [16:13] thks [16:14] datagram: Thanks :-) [16:14] err ... interesting name [16:14] For the paper? [16:14] John: What do you say ;-) [16:14] yes [16:14] Yes, I like it [16:14] datagram, I think you'll have to call it something else! [16:15] ? [16:15] Damnit, is it taken? [16:15] I'm going to hurt someone if it is [16:15] Yes ;-) [16:15] What the fuck [16:15] It's like [16:15] Corestep - taken [16:15] Tao of Corewar - taken [16:15] * datagram looks for breakable items [16:15] datagram: The are more coding standards than '88 and '94 [16:16] How about "The Art of Corewar", that isn't taken, but I've been considering it [16:16] Tao is cooler than art, but yeah [16:16] Fluff1, Pretend the word "popular" is in there ;P [16:16] I take it you've heard of Sun Tzu's text, The Art of War [16:16] Yes [16:17] The Art of (core)War :P [16:17] datagram: I'm already pretending ;-) [16:18] What kind of audience will you have, datagram? [16:18] Hackers [16:18] But not assembly programmers or anything like that [16:18] (mostly, at least) [16:19] It will still quite difficult to follow you once you've introduced modifiers and addressing modes. It is very much information in a short amount of time [16:19] It should be noted that most of the text will be accompanied by me talking [16:19] So it's kind of shorthand [16:19] Fluff1, Yeah...but I don't see much way around that [16:20] how about only mentioning the addressing modes [16:20] You can tell them, that there are also other things (modifiers) and they can find out for themselvers [16:21] The other way might be to restrict yourself to ICWS '88. [16:21] Don't wanna do that [16:21] (restrict it to 88) [16:21] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [16:21] You missed the '86 coding standard ;-) [16:22] Metcalf, datagram Fluff1, Pretend the word "popular" is in there ;P [16:22] Nick Change: Fluff1 changed nick to Fluffy [16:22] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [16:22] Hi Mizcu! [16:22] A good introduction to the game? [16:22] hi Jens [16:23] Also during this I can jump to corewin and explain things [16:23] Which I do for imp and dwarf [16:23] datagram: I like your text (apart from the things, I've already mentioned) [16:23] It's like the 1.21 intro to redcode document but also gives off some more strategy [16:23] datagram: Try to read Dewdney's articles about CW. They contain some intersting starting points [16:24] I have read them...but no time today to re-read them [16:25] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [16:25] Unfortunately I have to go. I'm probably back in a few hours [16:25] * Fluffy waves [16:25] Bye Fluffy [16:25] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [16:28] :-( [16:28] * Metcalf waves [16:28] * fiveop waves [16:28] to whom? [16:28] I was just about to ask Fluffy something too [16:30] datagram: is your "continous, looping array" better then "continous, circular array"? [16:30] I have just started yet another Corewar project! [16:33] heya met [16:33] Grrrr... now I want to ask Nenad a question and he isn't here! [16:33] And Phil just disappeared and I have a question for him too [16:34] Hi Bvowk [16:34] 50K? :-) [16:35] about 50% done met.. [16:35] :-) [16:35] pk was busy with mitzi yesterday [16:35] pk? mitzi? [16:36] you know pk.. [16:36] mitzi is the great big sun box we bought.. [16:36] Erm... Paul Kline, Philip Kendall? [16:36] currently 10 procs / 10GB of ram.. [16:36] Paul-V Khuong? [16:36] yes. [16:36] and that indian guy. [16:36] Sonaj? [16:37] yup [16:38] I restarted my nano evolver too.. [16:38] so you'll likely see it submit something tonite [16:38] :-) [16:38] It's fallen behind now, it has some catching up to do [16:38] I know! [16:38] its rough! [16:39] I hacked my evoler to use -P for nano now.. [16:39] it seems to be alot more stable.. [16:39] :-) [16:39] When you start giving me a hard time, I'll consider optimizing my warriors. [16:40] For now, I think I'm safe :-) [16:40] heh [16:40] * bvowk notes sometimes metcalf is a jerk! :) [16:42] * Metcalf thinks bvowk should concentrate on improving his evolver so it produces some acceptable warriors [16:42] lol [16:42] stop picking on me metcalf! [16:42] bvowk: and generate some real names! [16:43] At least then when we are discussing your latest failure, we know which one we are talking about :-P [16:44] ouch! [16:44] * bvowk runs away sobbing. [16:44] * Metcalf loads his crossbow. [16:44] I figured you'd have pulled out a scanner [16:45] I can soon call a scanner crossbow, that's a good name for a scanner [16:45] make it based on arrow :) [16:45] not 1284-2383-bigcomputer-129-eve72 [16:45] a lttle offtopic: have you ever typed "Failure" into google and pressed "i'm feeling lucky?" [16:45] No [16:45] its bushes page isn't it? [16:46] I don't know why I would but I'll try it now [16:46] a love thoose google easter eggs [16:46] Oh, that's a disappointment. I thought it would be my paper of the same name ;-) [16:46] met: I think it'd be great if crossbow used arrow :) [16:47] are there any blur-style scanner in nano? [16:49] Yes [16:50] with Zooom trick. http://corewar.co.uk/infinano/NZOOOM.RED [16:50] Maybe you could make something better, this one doesn't score very well [16:51] well its time for the vamps to enter the nano hill :) [16:51] :-) [16:52] knows anybody a site on wich i can download the pmars sourcecode ? [16:52] pmars-sdl [16:52] yes -_- pmars-sdl [17:05] * Metcalf waves [17:07] cu [17:07] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [17:15] * elkauka waves [17:15] Part: elkauka left #corewars [17:49] MSG: [18:25] ciao guys [18:25] MSG: Quit: [mIRC 5.7 Game Developers Edition II -- by pro & robotriot (www.skullpture.de)] [18:42] Join: ehy_key joined #corewars [19:41] ciao [19:41] MSG: Quit: [mIRC 5.7 Game Developers Edition II -- by pro & robotriot (www.skullpture.de)] [20:00] Part: thedog- left #corewars [20:22] datagram: still here? 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