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[17:46]	<Metcalf> Hi
[17:46]	<bvowk> jebus.
[17:46]	<Metcalf> I still haven't got a computer
[17:46]	<bvowk> I just had a stick of DDR333 blow off some traces off the board
[17:46]	<bvowk> for some reason
[17:46]	<Metcalf> :-(
[17:47]	<Metcalf> I had a board catch fire once in an MVME machine
[17:47]	<Metcalf> I was going to buy an Advent 7085 laptop
[17:48]	<Metcalf> I found it for £480, it's like this one http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/Computing/Laptops/ADVENT/7085/985192
[17:48]	<bvowk> dude..
[17:48]	<bvowk> go on ebay and buy a thinkpad..
[17:48]	<bvowk> it's corprate upgrade season..
[17:49]	<Metcalf> I went to PC World - but I wanted 512MB memory which they told me I could have for an extra £40
[17:49]	<bvowk> I've bought 4 in the last little while
[17:50]	<Metcalf> When I got to paying for it they were going to charge another £20 to install it. They told me I can't install it myself because it would void the warrenty.
[17:50]	<Metcalf> But if I paid by credit card instead of cash there wouldn't be a £20 charge
[17:50]	<Metcalf> :-(
[17:50]	<bvowk> yikes.
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[17:57]	<Metcalf> Also, it would void the warrenty if I installed Linux!
[17:57]	<Metcalf> I wonder if I can get that in writing
[18:21]	<Metcalf> http://www.omarbongo.ga/
[18:21]	<Metcalf> Wrong window!
[18:41]	<bvowk> met: everything voids your warranty these days..
[18:41]	<bvowk> if you remove the item from the carton at any time other than the perfect noon on a solstice.. you void your warranty
[18:42]	<Metcalf> :-(
[18:43]	<Metcalf> Winter Solstice is in a few weeks
[18:46]	<bvowk> I'm serious about the notebooks on ebay tho..
[18:46]	<bvowk> my mother in law got a notebook thats just like the new one I bought through work, but she's paying less than half
[18:46]	<Metcalf> I will take a look now
[18:46]	<bvowk> there are a million of them on ebay.. corprate upgrade season you know :)
[18:52]	<Metcalf> Why won't Ebay let me narrow my search to items with no reserve :-(
[18:53]	<bvowk> I dunno..
[18:54]	<Metcalf> I don't like any of those I've found so far.
[18:54]	<bvowk> hrm.. 
[18:54]	<bvowk> I should look in the UK
[18:55]	<Metcalf> I might as well get one with XP installed and a decent spec
[18:55]	<bvowk> what kind of notebook you looking for? extra portable?
[18:55]	<bvowk> how good are your eyes?
[18:55]	<Metcalf> Okay :-)
[18:56]	<bvowk> so if you go for an X, you can pickup an extra life battery, and get a good 6-12 hours of computing on battery, in a 4lbsish package..
[18:56]	<bvowk> if you get a T, it'll be a little bigger, and the battery won't last as long..
[18:57]	<bvowk> but many people find them nicer to work on..
[18:57]	<Metcalf> Well, I would like 512mb mem, 1 mb cache, 40gb hd, wireless, cd writer, decent processor
[18:57]	<bvowk> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IBM-Thinkpad-T22-1GHz-256MB-Ram_W0QQitemZ6825379022QQcategoryZ3715QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[18:57]	<bvowk> ends in 20 minutes..
[18:57]	<Metcalf> Have you heard of Via processors?
[18:58]	<bvowk> yeah..
[18:58]	<bvowk> they're pretty slow for most crunching..
[18:58]	<Mizcu> Slow, cool, somewhat cheap
[18:58]	<bvowk> but they're *SUPER* low power..
[18:58]	<Mizcu> Made in China 
[18:58]	<bvowk> and they've got really great crytpo features built in if you get the newer ones..
[18:58]	<bvowk> fastest crypto on earth
[18:58]	<bvowk> they can churn more AES bytes per second than you biggest beefiest box
[18:59]	<Metcalf> :-)
[18:59]	<Metcalf> The cheapest laptop I found in town had a Via processor
[18:59]	<bvowk> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IBM-Thinkpad-T43-Centrino-M1-73-512-60-CMB-15-XP-Pro_W0QQitemZ8731909923QQcategoryZ177QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[18:59]	<bvowk> thats almost the same notebook as what I'm using right now
[18:59]	<bvowk> cheap too
[19:00]	<Metcalf> Hmmm... it says:
[19:00]	<Metcalf> Location: China
[19:00]	<Metcalf> No international bidders
[19:01]	<bvowk> erm.. why is it listed as being in the UK then?
[19:02]	<bvowk> there's nowhere near as many in the US as there are here..
[19:02]	<bvowk> er..
[19:02]	<bvowk> s/US/UK
[19:02]	<Metcalf> Payment only by Western Union money transfer
[19:02]	<bvowk> dont' buy that one :)
[19:03]	<bvowk> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IBM-Thinkpad-Laptop-T41-not-t42-or-T43-iPod-Ready_W0QQitemZ6826305446QQcategoryZ3715QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[19:03]	<Metcalf> No. The guy is registered in Germany, he says the item is located in China, and he's selling on Ebay U.K. and only accepts one form of payment!
[19:03]	<bvowk> that one doesn't look too bad
[19:04]	<bvowk> and gaypal at least will give you your money back if things go wrong
[19:04]	<bvowk> thats much like the one I'm using
[19:05]	<bvowk> doesn't have the nicer 1440x1050 screen.. but still quite nice.. metal frame, metal hinges, and they're easily repaired, and parts can be had for cheap online
[19:05]	<bvowk> (and it'll accept 1GB sodimms if you're a little crazy like me)(
[19:13]	<Metcalf> In PC World they told me a Centrino Processor in 40% slower than the equivalent clock speed for a Pentium M
[19:13]	<Metcalf> Is this true.
[19:13]	<bvowk> heh
[19:13]	<bvowk> no
[19:14]	<Metcalf> The also told me the same about AMD Sempron processors
[19:14]	<bvowk> well.. the lower power processors do have lower performance..
[19:14]	<bvowk> but its not quite that pronounced..
[19:34]	* asw waves
[19:36]	* Metcalf waves
[19:36]	<Metcalf> Hi :-)
[19:36]	<bvowk> hey asw
[19:36]	<bvowk> you live!
[19:36]	<Metcalf> asw: how about posting a pointed to the updated faq as a reply to the old faq in r.g.cw?
[19:37]	<bvowk> :)
[19:37]	<asw> yeah. that's an option. 
[19:37]	<bvowk> dueling faqs at 20 paces.
[19:37]	<asw> I need to talk to friends at MIT.  They know the people that run RTFM 
[19:38]	<Metcalf> Ah, great. :-)
[19:38]	<asw> I've been busy.  I'm admining a cluster at HMS now.  10 dual processor nodes 4gb of ram each.  Another 25 nodes on the same gigabit network also belong to the lab. 
[19:38]	<Metcalf> Then you could just post a mini faq with a pointer to the full faq
[19:38]	<bvowk> can I have a shell?
[19:38]	<bvowk> :)
[19:39]	<Metcalf> I want one!
[19:39]	<asw> http://personalgenome.org/wiki (don't update it - will be blown away whne the real wiki migrates.)
[19:39]	<asw> but each node has a 100mbit connection to the net. :) 
[19:40]	<asw> runs "OpenSSI" 
[19:40]	<asw> we plan to do reqsequecing of human genomes. If you have 25million dollars or so (and we can get IRB aproval for you) then we can sequence yours. 
[19:41]	<bvowk> that doesn't seem like much hardware for doing that
[19:42]	<asw> no. well the 35 nodes were ~100K US 
[19:42]	<asw> (more than a year ago, now)
[19:42]	<asw> but yes. This is just a toy to get things going. 
[19:44]	<asw> My mentor's IRB aproval (and other intersting tidbits) here:  http://arep.med.harvard.edu/PGP/
[19:44]	<asw> don't mind the pgp name. 
[19:45]	<Metcalf> asw: http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/~await/qcw/ now redirects to http://freebiology.org/wiki/Coreworld_TAC
[19:45]	<asw> that's intentional. 
[19:45]	<asw> That TAC report is the latest available information about the project. 
[19:45]	<Metcalf> Is there somewhere to download the software / intervene in the quantum coreworld still?
[19:46]	<asw> Not until I get the new system up. http://science.fiction.org still works.   And the old page is at http://freebiology.org/~await/qcw
[19:47]	<asw> I'll be able to accept standard corewar hills at personalgenome.org 
[19:47]	<asw> it's in the works. 
[19:47]	<Metcalf> I tried intervening before, but I'm not really sure if it worked.
[19:47]	<asw> maybe I'll use a different alias. 
[19:47]	<asw> John - yeah - I'd just wait.  Sorry. 
[19:48]	<Metcalf> No problem :-)
[19:48]	<Metcalf> It looks interesting and I want to play!
[19:49]	<asw> I'm teaching a class right now which ends Dec 20th.  I just came back from Berkeley and Duke yesterday.   I'm sorry I've been slow about following up on the FAQ and other stuff. 
[19:49]	<Metcalf> Everyone is busy, so no need to apologise.
[19:49]	<Metcalf> Otherwise I need to apologise to everyone too!
[19:50]	<Metcalf> For taking so long on a variety of Corewar projects people keep pestering me about ;-)
[19:51]	<Metcalf> I want to make a document which shows the origins of Corewar terms.  I looked into one term:
[19:51]	<Metcalf> warrior - a Corewar battle program. Redcode program were first described as warriors by William R. Buckley (The Corewar Newsletter, March 1987).
[19:52]	<Metcalf> I can't see any reference to paper / scissors / stone anywhere before the ICWS'90 tournament where there were three warriors with those names.
[19:56]	* bvowk returns
[20:07]	<Metcalf> I've just been reading some of the Alife stuff on asw's site.
[20:10]	<Metcalf> New evolved entry on the nano hill!
[20:10]	<Metcalf> nice strategy line too - Evolved with YACE in few minutes
[20:12]	<asw> :)
[20:13]	<Metcalf> It gives lots of points to my favourite nano warrior too ;-)
[20:32]	<Metcalf> Time to go
[20:32]	* Metcalf waves
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