[00:26] MSG: [01:45] hello [01:49] core wars is a really, really cool concept [01:49] why is it not more well known? [02:15] MSG: Quit: Leaving [06:49] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [10:59] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [11:30] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:08] Join: jordipg joined #corewars [12:26] if anyone's around, i need help compiling for linux [12:29] Compiling what? [12:29] corewars [12:30] i think i've figured it out, i'm just forgetting something stupid [12:31] it keeps saying it can't find libX11.... this should be a no brainer [12:32] -L/usr/lib/X11 -lX11 assuming you've got a relatively standard setup. [12:33] yes... shouldn't -lX11 in the makefile take care of that? [12:35] as long as /usr/X11R6/lib is in ld.so.conf [12:35] whichit is [12:35] And you've re-run ldconfig [12:36] spelling out the location of libX11 worked... i'm not sure I understand this, thoguh [12:36] though [12:36] i didn't change anything [12:36] why would i need to rerun ldconfig? [12:37] The system caches where libraries are stored; ldconfig recreates that cache. Just modifying ld.so.conf doesn't do anything, as the linker looks in the cache, not through the directories specified in ld.so.conf. [12:38] yes, but i never changed ld.so.conf... ldconfig is run ever time the system is boot, so the cache should be up to date [12:40] besides, even if i run ldconfig, it still doesn't work without the -L/usr/X11R6/lib flag in the makefile [13:16] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [14:20] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [14:20] :) [15:09] Join: datagram joined #corewars [15:11] Join: Judodudo joined #corewars [15:11] Hello [15:17] When is the next scheduled corewar tournament? [15:20] I don't believe there is any official schedule [15:20] Sometime in Spring or so [15:21] Hi datagram, Judodudo :-) [15:22] Hi Fluffy [15:22] ok [15:22] hi [15:24] datagram: PyCorewar seems to be now fast enough. About 20% faster than pmars for ICWS '88 :-) [15:24] Woot [15:24] With graphics or without? [15:24] PyCorewar? [15:24] datagram: of course without [15:24] Judodudo: Just another MARS, I'm working on. [15:25] OK [15:25] Judodudo: With a simple Python interface [15:25] ahh [15:25] Join: Aninhumer joined #corewars [15:25] Fluffy, Faster with just the command line version or ? [15:25] Hi Aninhumer [15:25] Hi [15:25] Hi alex [15:25] datagram: yes [15:26] Cool [15:26] datagram: I've rewritten it to gather some statistics about the most frequent opcodes/modes for ICWS '88. [15:27] I want to move the more frequent opcodes/modes to the front of the main loop in the hope to make it a little bit faster [15:27] When I was on yesterday everyone was dead! [15:28] dead? [15:28] Aninhumer: No, I'm not a zombie ;-) [15:28] Aninhumer: Probably it was just the wrong time [15:28] Yeah [15:29] But some people had been idle for 2 days [15:30] well, not everyone comes on every day [15:30] Yeah but they shouldn't be in the room then [15:30] Except log_guy [15:32] I see nothing wrong in staying here without talking [15:33] Yeah, but 3 days [15:34] Alex: No-one actually cares [15:34] I care [15:34] I sent you those warriors [15:34] have you got them? [15:34] Arrg there's a whole army! [15:34] Aninhumer: Now, that you are here and obviously found some people, who are willing to talk, do you have any problems with corewars :-) [15:34] any questions? [15:35] Not really [15:36] :) [15:36] Except possibly how can I make an invincible warrior? [15:36] But if we could answer that then there would be no point... [15:36] I think, that nobody has found an answer to that, except maybe John Metcalf, but he hasn't published his warrior yet ;-) [15:37] lol [15:38] Alex: Have you read my warriors yet? [15:40] I'm reading them now [15:40] They don't look like Q-scans to me [15:40] Only Tranquility is [15:40] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:40] Oh and there is such a thing as a non-strategy comment! :) [15:42] Aninhumer: If you want to know more about qscans, there are some tutorials about them out there. [15:42] Yes but if you don't make it ;strategy, it won't be displayed by KOTH [15:42] :-P [15:43] Well admittedly I don't know much about qscans [15:43] but I was just saying that his weren't [15:43] That's because the Serenades aren't qscans [15:43] I know [15:44] But you said they were before [15:44] Fluffy: Where are the qscan tutorials, because I just used the one on the FAQ [15:44] I only said Tranquility was a qscan [15:45] I've published them all to r.g.c. ... one moment ... I have to look for the URLs ... [15:45] ok [15:46] This is a very short qscan [15:46] not really [15:46] It uses FOR..ROF loops [15:46] http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.corewar/search?group=rec.games.corewar&q=Quickscanners&qt_g=1&searchnow=Search+this+group [15:46] Quickscanners - Part I - V [15:46] Whoops I missed them [15:47] Thank you [15:47] I'm still working on part VI and VII [15:47] fine by me [15:47] ;-) [15:47] :) [15:50] I didn't know you could go faster than 1c [15:52] Join: datagram joined #corewars [15:54] Join: sf joined #corewars [15:54] Hi [15:54] Hi sf [15:55] I don't think I've seen you for a while Jens [15:55] Yes, I've been away for several days :) [15:57] Away from here, or away from home? [15:57] from home [15:58] Did you go anywhere nice? [15:59] :) [15:59] I wrote another Serenade, Alex [15:59] Ye gods [15:59] Are you about to sing? [16:00] No... [16:00] Good :-) [16:00] That's the name of his warriors :) [16:01] Oh I see. [16:01] Actually that is confusing? [16:01] It isn't the best name ever [16:01] No [16:01] hmm ... I've been away for some days and now HFB is about to die :( [16:01] What is the best name ever? [16:02] Serenade ISN't the best name ever [16:02] Se'e I?m getti"ng ve!ry confuse;d [16:02] Whoops, Jens is here, forget I asked that question [16:02] :) [16:02] I'm alowed to say that because I wrote it [16:02] sf: How about "Goddess of Fluffiness" ;-) [16:03] I still like my name: "Freezedry" [16:03] loll ok [16:03] If only it wasn't kicked off the hill instantaneously [16:03] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:03] My next warrior is now called Goddess Of Fluffiness [16:04] I wonder what LOLL would stand for? [16:04] it was a typo [16:04] i meant LOL [16:04] Judodudo: No, that name is already trademarked and patented ! [16:04] ok [16:04] ;-) [16:05] It was being ironic [16:05] What warrior was it? [16:05] Alex: Freezedry sucks. [16:05] No offense [16:05] :-) [16:05] Indeed it did [16:05] But it's a cool name! [16:06] Although it never lost [16:06] It never won either [16:06] Well actually... [16:06] "% is not very good, anyway [16:06] 2% [16:06] soz [16:07] What about "Ironybot" as a name? [16:07] Join: sf joined #corewars [16:07] Aninhumer: :) [16:08] I am sure the is a warrior called "invaders from pMars" somewhere which is a good name, but I can't find it [16:08] "stolen redcode" is probably the most honest name ever [16:09] It certainly steals quite a lot [16:09] Maybe it is time to update the Time Machine and include a little search engine [16:09] Yay! [16:09] err ... [16:09] that was just an idea [16:10] But I really should update it. I already have a lot of new data [16:11] What's the Time Machine? [16:12] Have you given up on generating nano warriors now Jens? [16:12] judodudo: http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/timemachine.en.html [16:12] I found it [16:13] sf: Yes, at the moment. I've never been any good at multitasking [16:13] I have to work on one idea until I'm no longer interested. Usually I take an old one and continue to work on that [16:14] And because my "recent" nano-attempts haven't been any good, I've switches to my MARS again [16:14] :-) [16:14] After that it will probably be the TIme Machine again [16:15] What differences in strategy are there in a nano hill? [16:15] I need to add more to my website [16:15] Nano is very very small [16:15] With only 5 lines there are less possiblilities [16:15] stone don't do very well. [16:16] Aninhumer: Hard to say. Of course there are scanners, papers and stones, but I usually go with bvowk and ... [16:16] is it Silk, Silk, Silk? [16:16] paper, clear, scanner, qscan, evolved all do well [16:16] You can fit qscanners in 5 lines? [16:16] Aninhumer: ... categorize all warriors according the used opcodes, like spl/mov/mov/mov/djn or spl/spl/mov/mov/djn [16:16] Judodudo: yes :) [16:17] Judodudo: a short scan, which starts a coreclear near the default or the found position [16:17] Your ones on r.g.c are huge, though [16:19] there are still 3 qscanners in the top 10 [16:19] Yes, but they are for 94nop [16:19] I don't know why, but your name keeps changing colour on my IRC client [16:19] That is, Fluffy's name [16:19] who? [16:20] aninhumer: does mine change colour? [16:20] Arrg, it hadn't before, but it just did [16:20] :-) [16:20] It is because I included your name in what I typed. [16:21] That's clever [16:21] What if you use /me? [16:21] Your irc client tells you when people are talking either to or about you :-) [16:21] * sf doesn't know [16:21] Why does it make it brown though? [16:21] No idea why it's brown, maybe you can change the colours somewhere [16:22] Probably [16:22] * Judodudo thinks that the colours don't really matter [16:22] Aninhumor [16:22] Did mine change? [16:22] If yoo speelt mi nami rite [16:22] Judodudo: You spelt it wrong so it likely won't change [16:23] Oh yes [16:23] sorry [16:23] Aninhumer [16:23] Yay [16:23] :-) [16:24] I wonder what happens if I include my name? [16:24] Aninhumer [16:24] Ohhhhhhh [16:24] I forgot to mention scanners and oneshots are good on the nano hill [16:24] It didn't go brown [16:24] ok [16:24] Judodudo [16:24] neither did mine [16:25] What would someone do if they came on an IRC and saw someone say "It didn't go brown"? [16:26] Aninhumer: It is even worse! Everything, that you say here is logged and preserved for future generations at koth.org/irc-logs/ ;-) [16:26] lol [16:27] Alex: I found a Life Java applet [16:27] I made one that ate everything it found [16:28] where [16:28] ? [16:28] Life, as in Conway's life? [16:28] Yep [16:28] It might have other prefix names [16:28] There is a cool website that list all of the alternative rules, and all of the discovered gliders in those rules. [16:28] cool [16:28] URL? [16:29] If you make a big square, it just explodes outwards [16:29] That's the extent of my knowledge [16:29] hrm [16:29] Hi bvowk :) [16:30] how goes fluffinator? [16:30] I'm still alive and invent nice fluffy names ;-) [16:31] and you? any good nano warriors? [16:31] I can't find it now [16:31] not really.. I got one in about 29th over the weekend.. nothing to write home bout. [16:31] Hi Bvowk [16:32] how goes sf? [16:32] bvowk: By the way, how do seed your evolver? Do you have any special rules for creating the first warriors? [16:32] any excitement? [16:32] not really [16:32] you know about the instruction chains right? [16:32] bvowk: yes [16:34] so right now I've got a 20% chance of copying a bunch of random warriors from the saved directory, or an 80% chance of using instruction chains from my top10k from the big run [16:34] which just gets n warriors that pass a minimum score test (which is really low, basicly no suicide) [16:36] nothing special [16:37] Found it at last! http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/ [16:37] I'm thinking about that now for '88, because PyCorwar seems to work. Do you know any other "intelligent" ways to seed an evolver? [16:37] sf: :-) [16:40] sf: Nice page, very interesting :) [16:40] fluffy: well, there's always the old standby of randomly generated code.. [16:40] It is a while since I have been there. I used to play with Life all the time [16:40] there's something quite appealing about that, it often takes a long time to get good stuff out of it.. [16:41] you can tweak that with using distributions you've seen in code.. [16:41] thats better.. [16:41] chaining them is better still.. [16:42] my not evolver can rip small blocks of code (very slowly) from working warriors and then shuffles those little bits around to generate something to try [16:42] it doesn't work well.. but its better than I can do myself :) [16:43] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:43] hmm ... then it is really time to collect some data about '88 warriors, unfortunately I could only find data for 94nop [16:50] its not hard :) [16:51] you can look at my code.. [16:51] there's a perl version of the code there too iirc [16:51] if you don't like C [16:52] you're down to 4 on nano SF [16:53] my nano army will crush your tiny band of rebels! [16:54] hehe [16:55] Which is the most active hill? [16:55] want my statcode.pl file fluffy? it'll give you an idea of what I'm doing.. the code isn't terrifically readable, because its computer generated for the most part.. and I've lost the script that I used [16:55] oh.. I've got python code to do it.. [16:55] but you've gotta promise not to laugh [16:56] it was one of the first things I ever wrote in python [16:58] MSG: Quit: What?! Open source isn't good enough for you? Bersirc 2.2 [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [16:58] bvowk: could you please send it to ? [16:58] which? [16:58] Part: Judodudo left #corewars [17:00] Don't worry he'll be back in a minute [17:00] bvowk: Both, if possible [17:00] and I promise not to laugh ;-) [17:02] Join: Judodudo joined #corewars [17:06] away fluffy [17:08] got it, thanks :) [17:20] Part: Aninhumer left #corewars [17:26] Part: Judodudo left #corewars [17:51] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [18:08] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [18:40] hrm. 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[20:52] Not me [20:52] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [20:54] Join: imrahil joined #corewars [20:55] metcalf, are there any variations on the software besides pmars? [20:55] Yes. exmars and fmars [20:56] where are those kept? [20:57] See the links from http://corewar.co.uk/links.htm - Software section ;-) [20:58] thanks [20:59] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [21:00] :) [21:00] * Fluffy is reading the logs [21:00] Hi Fluffy [21:03] jordipg: You've asked about X11. Do you still have any problems with pmars? [21:07] i've gotten 0.9.2 to compile, and gotten a scolding lesson in the difference between the linker and dynamic loader [21:07] the interface seems a little bit... rough [21:07] Yes, but it is the "standard" MARS [21:10] MSG: Quit: BLUT! BLUT! R�UBER SAUFEN BLUT! HOCH VOM GALGEN KLINGT ES, RAUB UND MORD UND �BERFALL SIND GUT! 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