[01:14] MSG: Quit: humhum [07:46] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [07:46] Topic Change: Mizcu sets topic: www.corewar.info + Merry X-Mas! [07:50] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [08:20] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [08:24] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:34] MSG: Quit: humhum [10:06] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [10:09] morning all [10:09] mornin [10:28] * willvarfa stetches [10:28] a very merry christmas and happy new year redcoders [10:30] 'yah [10:46] time to go! [10:46] * willvarfa waves [10:46] MSG: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined] [11:23] Join: fanfan joined #corewars [11:24] hi [11:29] hi [11:35] Dont remember seeing your nickname here before, how new you are to corewars/redcode? [11:35] yes indeed [11:36] in fact my school have his own corewar so i got interest in it so i'm here :) [11:36] ok [11:38] http://www.epitech.net/v3/article-projets-142-corewar.html <- is it this? [11:39] nearly .. my school is epita but epitech have also the same project [11:40] i guess [11:41] there are no active French redcoders currently so we havent have anyone (anyone other than babelfish) to translate that project [11:44] i was thinking that you were in epitech, weren't you ? [11:44] but anyway, if you have questions about corewars or redcode, feel free to ask me, or anyone else in this channel. All other people at this channel are currently idling, but if you just leave a question here, someone will sooner or later answer. [11:44] This is because all talks here are logged at www.koth.org/irc-logs/ [11:44] as a matter of fact i have one :) [11:46] i try to compile pMars but i don't quite know to which library "-ltermlib" refers to ? [11:46] sadly, i dont know either, since i've never had to compile pmars [11:47] i try to look in the debian apt but i guess i have to google it [11:47] thanks anyway [11:47] http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jpihlaja/cw/pmars-sdl/ [11:49] with quick googling it looks like ltermlib is part of curses library [11:50] but i cannot be sure [11:50] hum yes but i have already ncurses installed [11:51] well thanks, launch time bye bye :) [11:51] hey bvowkenstein, you alive? [11:55] must've started hes holiday already [14:37] hey [14:38] ah, hey [14:38] just woke up [14:38] just called as you probably know more about the above problem than i, but i guess fanfan already figured it out himself [14:39] (or is grumbling fervently with it ;) [14:56] not yet because i was doing something else [14:58] i try to compile with compiler flags -O3 -DEXT94 -DXWINGRAPHX but same problem, he doesnt seem to find -lX11 [15:00] its not long since person with MacOs having problems with X11-libraries too came here [15:01] i haven't a mac .. [15:06] and im not surprised [15:07] ok i think fail to install libX11-dev (linux noob also ^^) [15:16] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [15:17] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [15:18] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:18] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [15:19] Join: datagram joined #corewars [15:19] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:19] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:19] Join: fanfan joined #corewars [15:19] Join: asw joined #corewars [15:20] Join: bvowk joined #corewars [15:20] fanfan: linux? [15:20] Join: pak21 joined #corewars [15:20] fanfan: www.math.ualberta.ca/~bvowk/files/linux-pmars-x11-static.bin [15:21] or linux-pmars-server-static.bin if you just want the server [15:27] thanks i have eventually succed compiling pMars with libX11 :) [15:28] i was tring with -L/usr/lib but it was -L/usr/X11R6/lib :/ [15:31] Join: sf joined #corewars [15:31] Hello [15:49] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [15:52] Hi Mizcu [16:06] hi Sf [16:07] Everyone must be busy preparing for Christmas because it's really quiet here [16:07] hey! sf! [16:08] nice to see you this morning. [16:08] Hi Bvowky [16:08] It's just getting dark here. [16:08] It it Friday morning or Saturday morning? [16:08] its just getting light here :0 [16:08] its friday morning.. [16:08] I've got a half day at work and then I'm free until the 3rd [16:08] my f-king typical luck, i just succeed to break free from Byzantion, and i am 1 battle away from being strong enough to declare myself as King of bulgaria, and it turns out my target has alliance with Apulia, #}&!/! [16:09] heh [16:09] Hey, some news for you. [16:09] speaking of computer games.. I'm all pissy about graphics cards vendors.. [16:10] I picked up a magazine called Web User and there's a bit about Metcalf's Corewar page in it. [16:10] I've got a pair of 650$ graphics cards, 3 months down the line they both have dead fans, and you can't play anything :( [16:10] really?! [16:10] thats cool! [16:11] And Chris's Url and CoreExplorer can be seen in the article [16:11] nice [16:12] bvowk: club3d? [16:13] you really have to wonder at manufacturers.. they take a nice bit of kit, and then they decide it needs a chipset fan, so they put a crappy bit of shit fan on them, and it dies.. [16:13] and don't they consider some people might have cats?! [16:13] mizcu: aftermarket fan? [16:13] yeah, I've got a pair on order, but no games until after xmas :( [16:13] Club3d is known for using 1-3 month fans [16:14] naw.. its an Evga [16:14] but it hits me at a bad time.. we bought 4 new dual core opteron boxes with pci-express, and *ALL* the chipset fans died.. [16:15] (within 3 weeks of purchase!!) [16:15] so after I made someone cry over at asus, I felt better. [16:15] and they shipped me a dozen fans so I'd have 2 spares [16:15] for each box [16:16] [16:16] mizcu: was it you who played ta? [16:16] nope [16:18] sf: doing anything exciting for xmas? you get holidays or anything? [16:19] Not exciting [16:19] I will spend Christmas with my ex-flat-mate [16:19] ex-flat-mate? [16:20] my family has called 2-3 times a day every day for the last week to try to convince me I should go see them. [16:20] I think I'm going to have to, if only to save them money on phone bills [16:21] :-) [16:21] http://ds9a.nl/amazing-dna/#fork [16:21] just a little something to amuse. [16:22] I used to have a flat mate but she moved out to live with her boyfriend (now fiance) and I have been invited for Christmas [16:22] very nice. [16:24] Did you hear something about Sony convertly installing anti-piracy software on folks computers? [16:24] yeah.. [16:24] its pretty scary and stupid.. [16:25] I keep writing my goverment trying to convince them to press computer tresspass charges.. [16:26] There's an Interdimensional Doorway for sale on Ebay [16:27] sweet! [17:00] ugh, my luck part 2; i just got my in-game son a nice bride, and after one year with him, she becomes schizophrenic. [17:03] MSG: Quit: Quick! Kill your client! Bersirc 2.2 is here! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [17:38] woot! [17:38] 5th place [17:54] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [17:54] :) [17:54] * Fluffy is reading the logs ... [17:55] hey fluffy [17:56] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [17:57] Hi bvowk :-) [17:58] fanfan: Do you still have problems compiling pmars? [17:58] no.. he said he was good [18:00] Usually it is because they take the version from koth.org and not from sf.net/projects/corewar [18:00] koth.org still has an old version of pmars [18:01] bvowk: I assume, that 5th place refers to packing the circles. Right? [18:01] yup [18:02] Still 4 places to go :) [18:03] How much time do you have left? [18:03] just about 22 days [18:04] argh [18:05] Who has changed the channel topic? [18:05] How about this? [18:05] _o/ [18:06] Topic Change: Fluffy sets topic: Forget X-Mas! Play Corewar! [18:07] Far more better, isn't it? [18:09] Let's assume, that you've all answered with "Yes, far more better!" ;-) [18:10] you forgot corewar.info [18:10] Topic Change: Fluffy sets topic: www.koth.org - www.corewar.info - corewar.co.uk - Forget X-Mas! Play Corewar! [18:10] Better? [18:10] y [18:11] :) [18:12] bvowk: Do any papers/texts/whatever exist about creating an initial population? [18:24] just my article in corewarrior I think [18:24] most of the others were pure random.. [18:24] there's *LOTS* about it as far as general GA's go [18:29] citeseer is a good place to start there.. [18:29] thanks :) [18:45] have fun.. try not to wander citeseer too badly.. there's alot of interesting stuff. I find I wander far away from what I go in looking for [18:48] bvowk, i'm fine now thanks [18:49] i've just read http://vyznev.net/corewar/guide.html it's a great guide [18:49] but some question pop in my mind [18:50] (it's was fluffy who asked me if i'am having problems .. my bad) [18:53] i don't see what is the goal of a warrior ? We must destroy the others warriors by making them execute a dat 0, 0 instruction ? [18:56] yet another question :) All instructions take the same time to execute ? [18:56] they dont have much purpose other than that [18:56] b) yes [18:56] thanks [18:57] there was a tournament round where the goal was to sort pile of numbers with least time [18:58] and if my memory doesnt fail, Grabun has implemented 3d-array for p-switcher [19:00] fanfan: There might be another purpose. I hope you already know, what a hill is. A warrior's purpose might be to have a good score on the hill AND survive as many challenges as possible on the hill. [19:02] fanfan: You not only have to make your opponent execute one dat (any dat is fine), you have to make every process of your opponent to execute a dat to make it die [19:02] otherwise only one process dies and the other processes survive [19:03] ok i see [19:03] which is why papers are such SOB's [19:03] Mizcu: See them as your friends ;-) [19:03] papers ? [19:03] a special strategy [19:03] aka replicators [19:03] hum ok [19:04] They endlessly create copies of themselves [19:04] i.e. they create a lot of processes, which makes them hard to kill [19:04] with spl i guess? [19:04] the only way [19:06] Mizcu: Maybe you should start to write papers instead of stones ;-) [19:06] plain paper is not creative [19:07] Maybe, but making a good paper is still not a trivial task [19:08] I've tested more than 30 paper-variants before I found HFB [19:08] i see there is a lot of strategies : rock papers .. :p [19:09] yes and a lot more than that [19:09] rock(bombers) paper(replicators) scissors(scanners) [19:09] lol [19:10] + combination of them, imps, and clears that are really a type of stone/rock/bomber/whateverblah. And ofcourse hoppers. [19:10] Don't forget vamps [19:10] which are just bombers or scanners with specialized bombs [19:11] :) [19:12] CLP = vampire-clear [19:12] speaking of vamps i've read in the guide that we can "capture" warrior [19:12] it's strange [19:13] I don't exactly know, what you mean? [19:13] dont think it as capturing, but cheating them to run our code [19:14] quote [While your opponent can't read or write your P-space directly, your processes may be captured and made execute your opponents code] [19:14] ok i see [19:15] ah .. that is sth. different [19:16] At first sight the p-space of a warrior is only accessible by that warrior, but if your opponent forces you to execute his code, he might let you change/read/whatever your p-space for him [19:18] hum ok :) [19:18] A vampire usually wants to slow you down to the point, that you can't do anything any longer. Then it usually starts to overwrite you with DATs [19:18] ... and you are dead [19:18] scanners do the same too - but with a bit different logic [19:19] you cannot beat a paper by killing it little by little, it is better to stop it or slow it down until you can give a killing blow [19:19] ok [19:24] fanfan: You probably want to stop us as soon as we start to overload you with too much information ;-) [19:25] no that's alright, but first i wish to create my own strategies :) [19:26] Of course. I assume, that you already have found the beginner's hill at SAL. [19:26] no ^^ [19:27] http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/ [19:31] Has Fizmo already said anything about the age limit for 94b? Any plans for when it will be implemented? [19:31] i can try with the others warriors aeka.red flashpaper.red .. for a start .. thanks for the link i'm going to check out it [19:31] I find it good idea [19:33] fanfan: There is a warrior archive at http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/koenigstuhl.html [19:33] I dont know about flashpaper, but aeka would most certainly get to the beginner-hill, even with its age it will still pack a punch. [19:37] Generally sending other people's code to hill is considered bad, but a beginner sending stuff to see how tough the hill is, i dont mind, as long as you dont send anything reallyreally strong. Unless its your own code :) [19:38] sorry but what do you mean but age ? [19:38] s/but/by [19:38] When ever a new warrior gets to the hill, all others there get 1 point of age [19:39] hum ok ;) [19:40] A warrior with a high age once falling off the hill is a mark of warrior that can survive against many type of opponents. [19:41] ( Tom David Moore 127.2 226) is a tough one :) [19:42] Then try to find out the age of "Son of Vain" [19:43] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/history/94nop.en.html [19:43] Just to shamelessly promote my own page ;-) [19:45] 2573 not bad not bad ;p [19:46] the best for 94nop ;-) [19:46] SoV was a real mad-ass warrior too when it came out [19:47] Had 15 points more that the second warrior on the hill, and it was almost unkillable for the first 1000 challenges or so [19:48] As a sidenote, two other warriors with 15 point lead (porch swing and trident) didnt do any better one week later; pswing had fallen and trident didnt lead anymore. [19:49] how can i access the 94nop hill ? [19:49] They were at different time for SoV, of course [19:49] http://koth.org [19:49] err .. http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/current.pl?hill94nop [19:51] scuse me if i ask too many questions :) [19:51] That's what #corewars is for :) [19:51] but what W% L% T% refer to ? [19:51] wins - losses - ties [19:52] each warrior fights a given number of round (250 I think for 94nop) against all other warriors on the hill [19:52] (do i hear fanfan slapping himself in the forhead? it was obvious, wasnt it ?;) [19:52] If after a given number of cycles (80000) still both warriors are alive, a tie is declared [19:53] score = 3 * wins + ties [19:54] (i do not find it obvious :p perhaps my english need to be improved too :)) [19:54] hmm ... maybe I should start to explain everything in order instead of throwing bits out ;-) [19:54] fanfan: Do you now know how a hill works? [19:55] Well, not all of us speak english as first language, so we understand. [19:55] you've read somewhere that i had to send my warrior by email and my warrior and the other and the hill fight each other [19:56] arg s/you/i [19:56] am i right ? [19:56] yes [19:58] i see that there is 100 round per fight, i guess the configuration of the memory change each round ? [19:59] yes [19:59] memory is cleared, and warriors are put again in there, but with different positions [19:59] It is 250 rounds per fight (for 94nop) and the result is scaled down to 100 rounds [20:00] ok now the table makes quite sense :) [20:01] i suppose the table is changed if a new warrior is good enought to be in it [20:01] yes [20:01] Even if it isn't good enough you can see its results at place 26 [20:03] also do you know if it is automatical ? i mean if i send an email with my warrior how long have i had to wait ? [20:03] usually about 5 mins [20:04] 20 minutes if koth is having really really bad day [20:04] If I'm correct koth.org runs a cron script, that runs new fights every 5 mins [20:04] ok that's fine then :) [20:04] or if there are many warriors waiting to get to fight [20:04] fanfan: Try to send an imp to 94nop, if you want. Nobody would mind [20:07] ok i will a modified one [20:07] to see, how long you have to wait for the results there is a little queue for all warriors waiting to fight: http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/list.pl [20:10] no one is waiting :) [20:13] yes, it probably feels neglected ;_) [20:14] (Damn, what happend to my nose ;-) [20:29] fanfan, still coding, or are you getting some error? [20:31] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [20:53] http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Attack_of_the_500_foot_Jesus :-) [20:58] (And don't miss the part about Dec 25, 2005!) [20:59] bvowk: I almost forgot to ask ... Has He Who Must Not Be Mentioned already yelled at you for mentioning his name? [21:28] no i was watching tv :) [21:30] hehe :) [21:47] time to go [21:47] * Fluffy waves [21:47] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [23:29] good night [23:29] MSG: Remote host closed the connection