[12:04] Join: Agnostic joined #corewars [12:05] MSG: Client Quit [12:25] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [12:25] :) [12:25] hi Fluff [12:27] I must admit, that there is one thing, you can use xmas for, but only one thing! [12:27] Now I have the time to update my system, install new libraries and programs and compile a new kernel :) [12:28] No requests like "I've got that little Windows problem. Could you please help me?" or "I doesn't work. And no, I haven't touched anything." [12:31] "I doesn't work. And no, I haven't touched anything." <- ah, such a classic [12:32] It seems, that you know such problems, too ;-) [12:32] Unfortunately they often take the most time to fix [12:33] (In case I'm stupid enough to try ;-) [12:33] Another horrible classic is to delete third of files at /windows to free some more memory for it. Yes, memory. [12:34] hehe ... that is why I always try to not let them have admin privileges [12:34] argh ... English [12:35] Before I forget it and in case, that you seems to like it: Happy and fluffy christmas! [12:36] bvowk: You only get fluffy christmas ;-) [12:36] *seem [13:13] * Fluffy waves [13:13] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [15:02] Join: caesar joined #corewars [15:02] Merry Christmas~everybody~! [15:02] hi caesar [15:07] Merry Christmas~ Mizcu:) [15:15] Join: Judodudo joined #corewars [15:15] Hello [15:15] hi Judo [15:16] MSG: Client Quit [15:17] Join: Judodudo joined #corewars [15:18] "wrong button", eh? [15:18] My client froze [15:18] How are you? [15:18] just fine [15:19] though little out of ideas redcode-wise [15:19] MSG: Quit: Bye... [15:20] MSG: Client Quit [15:20] Join: Judodudo joined #corewars [15:20] grr [15:21] maybe you should switch off from chatzilla [15:21] I don't have any other client [15:21] I'm at my grandad's house [15:21] and he has a mac [15:22] well, you could try http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [15:22] i also don't have a MARS [15:23] Part: Judodudo left #corewars [15:24] Join: NewJudodu joined #corewars [15:24] It worked! [15:25] Except it won't let me be Judodudo [15:25] heh [15:25] * NewJudodu sighs [15:25] Mizcu? [15:26] kinda silly to go through detour like that webscript, but if it works, why complain [15:26] yes [15:26] it's quite slow, though [15:27] It's taking ages for commands to process [15:27] * NewJudodu blocks log_guy's pathetic attempt at a kick in the nuts and punches him in the face [15:27] cool [15:28] i'll stop messing about now. [15:28] actually, I think I prefer chatzilla [15:28] MSG: Client Quit [15:29] Join: Judodudo joined #corewars [15:29] that web client was pretty awful [15:30] well, the best you can get without true irc-client [15:30] yes [15:30] * Judodudo shudders [15:31] :-) [15:33] I think chatzilla is fixed now [15:36] did Steve Morrell ever write Chapter 3 to MFCWB? [15:36] I have no idea [15:36] oh well [15:37] It's just 1&2 were very good, but they only covered Stone and Paper [15:59] Do you know if and when the SAL beginners hill is being cleansed? [16:00] no idea [16:01] bvowk, once you've had enough christmas rest, could you install the 100 age-limit to sal-b? [16:01] maybe 100 would be a litle too long [16:02] if the idea is to make a hill beginners would be able to get on [16:02] just a suggestion [16:02] :-) [16:02] Pizza's beginnerhill had 100.. [16:02] i suppose so [16:02] did it work? [16:03] Yes [16:03] but then it was a little more active than now [16:03] It's a quandary [16:05] I don't think bvowk is actually there [16:05] thats why the word "once" [16:05] lol [16:05] The other point to note is that Pizza's age 100 limit was when unsuccessful challenges aged the hill. [16:06] Ooh, that explains a lot [16:06] hmm [16:07] there still needs to be a limit, thugh [16:07] *though [16:07] Well, guess 50 is good/better then [16:07] yes [16:08] Although my warior has been on for months, and it says it's only 1 day old [16:08] Not days, challenges [16:08] ahh [16:08] but there have still been loads more than 1 challenge on the hill [16:08] 10, at least [16:09] succesfull challenges, that it [16:10] it -> is [16:10] successful being warriors that made it on the hill? [16:10] ahh [16:10] only one of those [16:10] thats why high age is so well regarded [16:11] yes, but the one's on the hill are ancient [16:11] I think they were the warriors their owners realised they were a little too good for 94b [16:13] If tat makes sense :-) [16:13] *that [16:13] Tom really isnt too good for b-hill, Neo's unknown was sent when there was a bit too many papers there, and star survives mostly because oneshots rate very often "high minus" [16:13] the STONED survives because of the oneshots to eat [16:14] same for stealthbomb [16:14] I suppose in all probability they'd get eaten alive on 94 standard [16:15] maybe there needs to be an intermediate hill [16:15] I have to go [16:15] bye [16:15] * Judodudo waves [16:15] i think dragonfly survived for 1-3 challenges on nop.. [16:15] MSG: Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915] [17:37] Join: Judodudo joined #corewars [17:37] hello [17:37] hi again [17:38] agreed on the best age limit for 94b? [17:38] :-) [17:39] there has been no talking when you were away [17:40] oh well [17:40] are you all busy? [17:40] i guess all others are spending christmas [17:41] and you? [17:41] i chose not to be with relatives this christmas [17:42] why? [17:43] i've had enough for now, been like 8 years already that we've been at my cousins for chr.. [17:43] lol ok [17:43] i'm spending christmas at my grandparent's house in Glasgow [17:51] Ill be going to play some MTW:VI, checking irc every 20 minutes or so [17:51] MTW:VI? [17:51] what's that? [18:05] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [18:22] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:35] Join: datagram joined #corewars [20:11] Join: Philb joined #corewars [20:13] Nice post by incersed about papers today. [20:13] ...inversed, I mean [20:15] Part: Philb left #corewars [20:58] Join: colganc joined #corewars [20:58] yay [20:58] hi all [20:58] is fizmo still around? [21:02] yes, though not that often [21:05] ah [21:05] im surprised bvowk isnt dominating 94nop [21:05] been a while colg, hows it going? [21:05] with all the processing power increase around [21:05] its going good [21:05] i got sucked into a mmo [21:06] and now just coming out of it :) [21:06] and coming back [21:06] i miss corewar [21:06] i lost my junk distributed evolver though and i'll have to start over [21:11] how has things been going with u? [21:14] quite slow [21:14] finished highschool [21:16] ah [21:16] on to university/college? [21:20] ill have a year or two before going to army and then to univ/college [21:20] ah [21:20] what country? [21:20] Finland [21:22] o, compulsory 2 years of military service there? [21:23] 6-12 months [21:24] i will probably get the 6 months [21:24] cool, thats not so bad [21:25] had any warriors last on 94nop lately? [21:26] nope, been having some time off from coding, other things taking my time [21:27] for example overhauling my ET-clan, and now we are fighting in ET Opencup [21:31] ET? [21:31] wolfenstein ET? [21:32] yes [21:33] is your clan pretty good? [21:34] 41 out of 167 in Clanbase Europe 6on6 [21:37] Also had a few lans with friends. http://koti.mbnet.fi/mizcu/rintama.jpg - Dawn of war 3 players vs 3 AI on hard [21:37] lol [21:37] ive never played htat [21:38] altho since getting sucked into an mmo [21:38] i havent played many for the past year or so [21:40] whats dawn of war/ [21:40] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [21:40] :) [21:41] hi Fluff [21:41] Hi :) [21:41] Fortunately the day is almost over [21:42] ..Martin's homepage points Yace to corewiki, which points to hes old homepage, which points to his new page.. [21:43] Yes, I've also noticed that. [21:43] I already thought about writing him an email [21:43] lol [21:43] ? [21:44] Even if he is no longer interested in cw, he might want to publish yace and exhaust-ma nonetheless [21:44] Hi colganc! [21:46] Has Neo been here today? [21:46] nope [21:46] He has sent an warrior to 94nop. [21:47] Probably a mod of HFB [21:47] hi fluffy [21:49] fluffy yer name doenst look familiar to me [21:49] how long have you been playing? [21:50] Not long ... started earlier this year [21:50] ah [21:50] has there been any long standing corewarriors since i left mizcu? [21:51] datagram and caesar [21:52] though caesar cant do much with corewars, he cant read/speak english that well (being Chinese) [21:52] and data might be a bit too new to be said as long standing yet [21:54] ah [21:55] colganc: Seems, that you've been with cw a little bit longer. Any nice warriors from your, that should be mentioned? [21:55] :) [21:57] naw [21:58] about 1.5 years agoish [21:58] i was playing quite often [21:58] and i had an evolver [21:58] just when it was starting to get decent i disappeared :P [21:59] hmm ... and it seems, that you've lost your evolver (according to the logs) [21:59] yep [22:00] at the moment I'm trying to evolve sth. for '88, but at the moment I only have some clears and dumb stones [22:00] between splitting up with my gf and not keeping in contact with a friend [22:00] ive lost my old copies of it [22:00] No homepage with an old copy of it? [22:00] nope [22:01] i didnt release it because i hadnt gone far enough in making it secure in any way [22:01] someone could just send some bad data to the port it was listening on [22:01] and bust it [22:01] So we still have to wait until someone creates the first evolved koth [22:01] * Fluffy kicks bvowk to see, whether he's alive [22:02] im surprised that bvowk hasnt conquered all [22:02] he seemed like he was on a roll at the time [22:02] he did kick the nano-hills binary butt for a while [22:02] Yes, but there still a lot of handwritten warriors, which beat his on nano [22:02] ic [22:04] But White Noise of tiny does quite well at the moment [22:04] altough it wasn't evolved by bvowk [22:06] colganc: So are you working on a new evolver? [22:06] do u evolve or hand code/ [22:06] im looking at the pricing of computers [22:06] because if i make another one [22:06] im going to need a new computer for it [22:06] Up until now I've only sent handwritten warriors [22:06] most of them to 94nop/tiny and nano [22:07] make it to the 94nop hill? [22:07] yes, already been koth [22:07] with Harmless Fluffy Bunny [22:07] unfortunately it is about to die :( [22:07] aw [22:07] how come? [22:07] no aimps there :( [22:08] ah [22:08] o u just tried submitting one? [22:08] no? [22:08] Yesterday I published HFB on r.g.c. [22:09] and Neo seems to have modified it and tried hist luck on the hill [22:09] " Harmless Fluffy Gremlin " [22:09] oh [22:09] neo submitted [22:09] ic [22:09] oh yes, and inversed has arrived [22:09] forgot that -_- [22:10] Now I'm working on a MARS with a little Python interface (not yet published) and try to evolve for '88 [22:12] Maybe I will soon try to create some score surfaces for '88, but am not sure about it yet [22:17] ah [22:17] taking exhaust and integrating with it is awesome and highly recomended [22:17] the speed boost is wonderful [22:17] :) [22:18] it is actually already nearing the speed of exhaust.. [22:18] fmars is way faster [22:18] not enough, but it is [22:20] The MARS itself is already completed and of course I've "stolen" a lot of ideas from exhaust and exhaust-ma [22:34] i dont remember fmars [22:34] --> to sleep [22:34] cya miz [22:34] * Fluffy waves to Mizcu [22:35] I've done some benchmarks and fmars is about 3 times as fast as pmars [22:35] Let's whether I can find the results ... [22:36] On my machine: pMARS - 4.058 MIPS, exhaust - 5.320 MIPS, exhaust-ma - 7.054 MIPS, fmars - 10.445 MIPS [22:36] (PyCorewar - 5.077 MIPS ;-) [22:37] ah [22:37] do u have a link to famrs? [22:37] yes, one mo [22:38] http://www.v-lo.krakow.pl/~michal/fmars.html [22:38] Unfortunately it is a little bit difficult to use. To gain top speed you have to recompile it for every fight [22:39] lol [22:39] no kidding? [22:39] i.e. for the current combinations of used opcodes [22:39] But of course you can sacrifice a little bit of the speed and compile in the most frequent instructions [22:39] Works quite well [22:40] When I was started to work on the score surfaces I got quite a boot when I switched to fmars [22:40] *bost [22:40] *boost [22:41] Whatever you do fmars is the current speed king [22:42] and probably very hard to beat (probably only with hand-optimized assembler) [22:45] Join: colgan1 joined #corewars [22:45] hmm [22:45] What's the last thing, that you've read? [22:45] Part: colgan1 left #corewars [22:45] Join: colgan1 joined #corewars [22:45] there we go [22:46] :) [22:46] i got dc'd [22:46] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:48] well i dont see how useful fmars is [22:48] if you ahve to recompile everytime [22:49] Not every time [22:49] more time would be lost in the recompile then gained in execution speed [22:49] what determines the need for a recompile? [22:50] The opcode/mode-combos, that it supports [22:50] Suppose you have to do a lot of benchmarking [22:50] Before you start you determine all the opcode/mode-combons (like spl # <, dat $ $, ...) [22:50] compile fmars with them [22:51] and run the benchmarks [22:51] because fmars is VERY fast compiling it for that purpose it ok [22:51] with a random soup tho you will encounter all of combos [22:52] For nano you usually don't need all combos [22:52] Even if you take all combos for nano, that you can find on Koenigstuhl [22:53] ask bvowk, he uses fmars for his evolving, too [22:54] hmm [22:55] At the moment I'm trying the same approach for PyCorewar. It only supports '88 at the moment and '88 has far less combos than '94 [22:57] pycorewar? [22:58] The MARS I'm working on [22:58] (soon to be released) [22:58] oh [22:58] lol thats right [22:58] u mentioned that just above [22:58] :) [22:59] Since I'm into Python I wanted to have fast MARS with a decent Python interface [22:59] fmars has a Python interface, but I didn't want to recompile it now and then [22:59] So I decided to write my own [22:59] ic [23:01] It seems, that at the moment I'm jumping from project to project, but I know that I come back to every old project of mine in the future [23:02] lol me too [23:03] At least I now manage to have a homepage for each project until I move on [23:05] It is quite good to have one. From time to time you get emails about them and then you start to do some more work for them [23:12] Time to get some sleep [23:12] * Fluffy waves [23:12] Part: Fluffy left #corewars