[01:19] Join: datagram joined #corewars [01:39] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:53] Join: datagram joined #corewars [02:46] MSG: [03:13] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [03:15] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [07:50] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [08:14] Join: Roy joined #corewars [08:24] mm i can get 5mbyte down, 1.5 mbyte up, for 35$ us [08:29] Don't waste anytime getting it :) [08:44] im not [08:44] lol. [08:44] its installed on the 18th [08:44] im dropping my 800 a month t1 for it. [08:57] Heh that sounds a bit overkill (for me anyway) [09:09] :) the price or the bw [09:11] morning [09:11] Morning [09:18] morning [09:18] t1 is overkill, and the price too :-) [09:19] If I want to download huge files I just use somebody elses connection (school or work or something) [09:19] 800 a moth? [09:19] datagram: crazy [09:19] datagram crazy? he just said hello :) [09:22] the ruby extension api is just beautifully simple [09:28] I am crazy [09:32] And I think he meant crazy to Ox9O [09:34] I just got up. [09:34] can't read, can't think, orange, splash goes the duc [09:35] +k [09:38] * Roy likes ducks.. [10:47] Nick Change: brx_ changed nick to brx [10:56] 0x90, how is the CW programming coming along? [11:09] Roy: have you had time to try out your ann idea? [11:16] Fucking paint needs to dryyyy [11:16] Nowwww [11:16] I'm not daring enough to bust out the hairdryer [11:16] you're an artist? :) [11:17] I do alot [11:17] Music too, heh [11:17] But I don't consider myself an artist or a musician [11:17] Ya know? [11:20] I see [11:20] But I paint [11:21] And right now I have to wait for a section of this painting to be dry [11:21] Or else I'll ruin it [11:21] : / [11:21] bring out the hairdryer :) [11:21] Heh [11:22] I just started painting something else [11:22] So then when that one is wet and needs to dry somewhere I go back to the first [11:22] I think it's a good system... [11:23] methodically yes. [11:23] why, of course :) [11:26] ANN > Never tried it yet... too much other things to work on [11:26] And I doubt its going to work anyway, altough its still a cool idea imo [11:27] well, the theory is somewhat fuzzy still. either one works out the details and approaches the design idea mathematically or .. well, one could always begin to experiment [11:28] I could start describing it on paper in my baddest english in my spare time, it'll always help me when I ever start to experiment with it [11:31] you wanted to implement feedback by changing the neuron's weight slowly or by simply firing? [11:31] Weight change and firing, its a combination, a addon on the usual ANN [11:32] * brx nods [11:32] brb, lunch [11:52] * brx needs to buy a dvorak keyboard [12:09] Why is it better? [12:09] (back) [12:16] The ANN's I imagined have loops, so if you fire two consecutive times it might get input from a loop that was fired last time [12:16] sorry, couldn't answer. workrave has forced me to a break [12:16] hehe :) [12:19] Roy: http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/jcb/Dvorak/ [12:19] That way it could remember stuff in two ways, normal weights and short-term memory [12:26] have you read the page about dvorak? :) [12:27] reading now :) [12:27] (between work-stuff) [12:28] lol read this afterwards: http://sominfo.syr.edu/facstaff/dvorak/blackburn.html ;) [12:28] Fast :) blimey [12:31] there was a guy in german tv who typed with two fingers only, blind, and reached the speed of a professional secretary [12:31] and made no errors at all where the secretary did [12:32] actually he was twice as fast and made no errors :) [12:36] Roy: http://www.visi.com/~pmk/evolved.html kind of interesting, that. [12:36] Heh, two fingers rule! [12:36] (the way I type and like it ;-)) [12:36] you type with two fingers? :) [12:37] don#t get me wrong I don't type with all ten fingers either [12:37] actually, I do. [12:37] but my hands travel a lot anyways [12:39] I have no idea what way I type, its not the [12:39] 'good' way :) [12:40] The problem is I can't see myself type ;-) well, I can see, but I can't really analyze it [12:42] actually you could [12:42] you could install contacts on your keys and finger tips [12:42] and record your typing+which finger you used for any given key in the sequence [12:44] heh, but that would require some work... I like the last url btw ;-) [12:48] yes, the last link is nice :) [12:50] I might try something like that myself.. :) maybe for my own language combined with english, my own personal best, with cw words etc in the list of words ;-) [12:56] :) [12:56] a mix of #corewars logs etc maybe? :) [13:15] Yeah, something like that, and just force it on all new corewarplayers [13:16] something like: i m p d j n [13:16] that would be bad actually :) [13:17] heh, I know, same hand multible letters etc [13:17] on dvorak all vowels are on the left side [13:18] * brx orders a dvorak keyboard online now [13:18] nice, let me know how it works once you have it [13:18] http://www.hooleon.com/ [13:18] sure, will do [13:19] You can always just download the keypattern and put some labels on the keys [13:20] I am aware of that. you can also just download a kit with preprinted labels :) [13:20] but it [13:20] is a good time to get a new sleaky keyboard [13:21] You could always wait for the optimus keyboard : ) [13:21] "An alternative to the QWERTY arrangement, which was designed in 1873 to slow users and allow the mechanical key levers on typewriters time to fall to keep them from jamming." [13:21] On my work and home keyboard the windows/ctrl keys are switched, very annoying [13:21] from their site. [13:21] the common misinformation as we have learned [13:22] Yes, not to slow down but to keep it from jamming [13:22] * brx has ctrl on capslock currently [13:22] At home I keep pushing that windows key and the start-menu pops up in the middle of programming [13:23] datagram: you know any good keyboards? [13:23] Roy: annoying, that. I agree [13:25] Or you could always use a combination-keyboard [13:26] That doesn't type letters but words using combinations of keys [13:26] brx, They are supposedly making the optimus keyboard [13:26] an all LCD keyboard that can be dynamically reprogrammed [13:26] I THINk that's what it was called [13:26] datagram: uuuh.. [13:26] * brx googles [13:27] http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ [13:27] whoah [13:27] Yeah that one [13:27] heh, "Quake" [13:28] : ) [13:29] Blah [13:29] I fail at painting [13:29] More like [13:29] I'm just staring at it [13:29] So yeah [13:29] Roy: http://www.artlebedev.com/mandership/105/ <- this presents a new kind of truth to the sholes layout [13:34] Hehe, the TYPEWRITER thing is funny :) [13:42] yes :] [13:43] that keyboard would be raelly nice [13:44] Optimus yeah [13:57] probably all photoshop work [13:57] ; [14:04] naah... [14:05] can you tell ? [14:07] Yeah they are just concept photos [14:07] But they ARE making it [14:12] it will probably be too expensive anyhow [14:13] Looks expensive enough with all those little lights [14:13] not only that [14:13] have you seen who designs this thing? [14:13] no, not yet, but probably more $$$ [14:14] it's going to be expensive. [14:14] * brx shivers [14:15] "It will cost less than a good mobile phone." [14:15] "It will be real." <- heh [14:16] http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/answers/ [14:16] "moscow is the capital of russia" [14:16] "Each key could be programmed to produce any sequence." <- now *that* is incredibly nice [14:17] there is a kernel patch+module named kbd_mangler, itallows you to do just that but you have to compile a new kernel first etc, and write the manglers [14:17] I did that for my windows keys and lisp editing first [14:17] that would make it unnecessary [14:21] They have a bunch of funny answer there because of the /. crowd [14:27] I suppose [15:34] datagram: damnit, you spoiled my new kb experience [15:39] Optimizing keyboard with GA sounds so cool, I'm still wondering if there are more things that are so easy to optimize but hard to think off [15:40] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [15:40] Roy: yes, it was a nice idea :) [15:40] as always with nice ideas, they are conceptually simple and people wonder why they didn't think of it afterwards [15:40] * Roy is wondering all the time...afterwards ;-) [15:41] :) [15:41] But hey, I jsut noticed I have the two oldest warriors on the hill currently! [15:41] it's a better experience to have thought of it independantly before and then find out that some great personality worded those thoughts before :) [15:41] Yeah, that happens sometimes too [15:42] If somebody in the future invents ANN's with loops I'll be proud ;-) [15:42] experiment yourself instead and follow that train of thought. [15:42] it might be yours name becoming known then ;) [15:43] "the roy network" [15:43] Nah, that doesn't sound good [15:43] a 'R-Net' [15:44] heh [15:45] Intending to be launched with an aluminium case and polycarbonate keys, Optimus is reportedly due for release in 2006 at around Â£200. [15:45] The news comes as German inventor, Daniel Guermeur, has unveiled his Uber Keyboard â a keyboard where the keys are blank. [15:45] The creator says his invention is a sure way to improve speed and accuracy of typing. [15:46] Hehe, not seeing what you type you must follow your mind [15:46] I have noticed that my fingers remember the layout. [15:47] I can type different words on an empty sheet of paper. [15:47] it's a funny experience to realize that those movements have become natural to your fingers. [15:47] Well, I can type 'blind' so, I won't have such a hard time with that kb [15:48] Natural feeling > blind juggling! that is one of the coolest feelings I know, if you juggle a LOT it also becomes a second nature [15:48] very much like ninpo (martial "art") where on the way to mastery you learn all the techniques to finally forget them in the end. that is perfection, mu. ;) [15:49] Everything must become automatic... that is true for most sports [15:49] * brx nods [15:50] it's incredibly fascinating to see it happen with those beautifully fluent movements. the subtle uses of force. [15:50] You should try juggling and blind juggling :) very intense [15:51] it carries an air of invulnerability, not in the literal sense of course, but as in "not being there". such a person suddenly fades out and into view until it is hard to perceive him at all [15:52] * brx sighs [15:52] Why the sighs? :) [15:52] it's beautiful [15:52] the grace [15:53] ah it is similar to dancing [15:54] I have seen indian girls being interviewed about their dancing [15:54] they explained that dancing was their emotional outlet, their freedom of expression. and suddenly you could feel it in their movements. [15:54] very intense and wonderful [15:55] an unrelated emotional experience of similar intensity was when I saw mrs osthoff being interviewed in a popular show in germany [15:55] ok, thats a bit over the top :) its just cool [15:56] when, after being provocated by the host she stated that the "jesira" was her home [15:56] and the scenery of bagdhad on a peaceful morning [15:56] +described [15:57] you could feel her attachment to that place, and through her words one could behold its beauty [15:57] you must have gotten lots of news about her in the netherlands too, right? [15:58] I have no idea who you are talking about :-) [15:58] mrs osthoff? the kidnapping in iraq? [15:58] the german woman who is muslim [15:59] married to an iraqi, daughter in germany, helping people over there, an archeologist [15:59] No, never heard of her.. [15:59] Yay! [15:59] Going home! time! [15:59] * Roy waves [15:59] Good luck with the kb [15:59] MSG: [16:00] hrm [16:15] hrm [16:17] good day bvowk. [16:17] greetings. [16:17] anything of interest to share? [16:17] no.. [16:18] I came in third in the recmath contest [16:18] what was it about? [16:18] didn't have enough entropy in the search at the end tho.. should have won.. [16:18] circles [16:18] that sounds opaque [16:18] www.recmath.org [16:21] congratulations [16:22] thanks.. [16:22] now I think I'll turn this horde of computers on nano for a bit.. [16:22] assuming I can keep my account on some of the machines.. [16:23] haven't you covered the complete searchspace yet? :) [16:26] heh [16:26] no.. the complete search space for nano is actually pretty big.. [16:26] how long have you been at it? [16:27] although, you can cover most of the big sections.. [16:27] er.. s/big/working [16:27] problem is that you end up throwing some parts away because it doesn't work against the current crop [16:27] but in the furture.. it works very well against something.. [16:28] so you are currently chasing your own tail? :) [16:29] heh [16:29] always do. [16:31] sigh. [16:32] eh? [16:34] it's a little boring. currently looking for a way to keep myself occupied. [16:34] well.. I can't help you there.. but I agree.. you're boring [16:35] :) [16:46] well. point taken. [16:49] gunna stop being boring now? [16:49] or do I have to keep ignoring you? [16:50] mu [17:04] Join: sf joined #corewars [17:04] Hello [17:05] hello sf, congratulations for making third place [17:05] Thanks brx [17:05] Is everything ok in your part of the world? [17:05] naturally, how about yours? [17:06] Not too bad [17:06] glad to read. [17:06] Isn't there an operating system called brx? [17:07] never heard of it, from my point of view it is probably running on obsolete hardware [17:13] I am afraid I backed out of the tournament prematurely. [17:14] I think you was sleeping! [17:14] sleeping? [17:15] Yes, I think Chris was trying to call you for your entry and we all thought you was sleeping [17:15] call me for my entry? sleeping? *what*? [17:16] he wrote me an email I first saw two days ago [17:17] hrm. [17:17] Hey bvowk [17:18] how's it going sf? [17:19] [20:04] brx hasn't send his entry so far [17:20] that part I can imagine. the sleeping part is what eludes me. [17:20] November the 5th. Fizmo tried to call you for your entry [17:21] [20:24] still wait a bit more for brx, maybe he didn'T heard the wake up call [17:21] * sf has a good memory for corewar trivia [17:21] I guess you took that a tad too literally. [17:22] It is going well thanks bvowk. Did you have a good break? [17:22] Christmas break? [17:23] yeah.. [17:23] it wasnt bad.. [17:23] hacked alot of circles [17:23] they called him lord of the rings. [17:24] I almost was too.. [17:30] Roy: (I know you read the logs) I am not an ex-corewar player [17:31] The tournament was fun [17:33] at least it would have been something to keep oneself occupied with [17:33] now I think I'll turn this horde of computers on nano for a bit.. [17:33] :-( [17:37] Amazing. I'm still on 7 hills even though I've been away over Christmas [17:37] Including 94nop :-) [17:37] maybe they haven't seen as much traffic over the holidays. [17:38] My 94nop warrior is age 116, it must have been busy [17:38] is that your first warrior on 94nop to surpass age 100? [17:39] Yes [17:39] congratulations again. not surprising though. [17:39] Though I've had warriors on nano and multiwarrior over 100 [17:39] Thanks [17:39] I believe nano doesn't count [17:39] :) [17:40] Why, because it has 50 warriors and not 20? [17:40] you should get a HoF entry iirc [17:41] Nano age should be multiplied by (20/50) to work out the 94nop equivalent age. [17:41] or was it age 1000 [17:41] Or is that not mathematically sound [17:41] i suppose it was 1000 [17:41] Age 100 for most HoF [17:41] Age 1000 for All Time HoF [17:41] I see [17:42] Dave Hillis will be next in the All Time HoF [17:42] sf: well if that was so I think on-speed did that [17:42] On-speed = 533 [17:42] actually I don't remember [17:43] http://corewar.co.uk/nanohof.txt [17:44] oh [17:44] that's me alright. [17:44] I didn't know such a page existed [17:44] There is a HoF for quite a few hills [17:45] See here http://corewar.co.uk/logs.htm [17:47] thank you [17:47] :-) [17:47] It isn't my hard work [17:48] my hard work is at http://corewar.atspace.com/ - as you can see from the page, I'm lazy [17:51] * brx takes a look [17:51] you're probably my third visitor! :-) [17:52] I'm honored to be one of the first :) [17:57] MSG: Quit: Wow! What a great client! Bersirc 2.2 [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [18:06] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [18:07] Join: Roy joined #corewars [18:11] SF: I send that mail to all players I know, ex and current :-) [18:14] I wish I could go to your corewars con roy.. [18:14] that'd be cool.. [18:15] Hopefully you can... it'll be lots of fun [18:28] welcome back roy. [18:31] welcome back to you too [18:31] ordered the keyboard yet? :) [18:32] I need no keyboard, I have nothing to say or write. [18:32] well, nothing of much value. [18:33] But without it you can't do much..! [18:34] it's not as if I was using it reasonably anyway [18:34] roy: that likely wouldn't change if he had one tho. [18:35] see bvowk's comment. I agree wholeheartedly and wish you a nice evening. [18:35] MSG: Quit: leaving [18:35] pfft.. I just found him a dvorak kb on ebay for 2 dollars.. [18:35] too bad :) [18:40] heh [18:40] he's a little oversensitive to random people on the internet don'tcha think? [18:40] the boy needs thicker skin.. [18:42] Nah... he just needs to be a bit more ignorant [18:42] If he couldn't read the logs, I would rant a bit about him now :P [18:42] lol [18:42] doesn't stop me fiveop [18:43] Join: brx joined #corewars [18:43] watch -n 4 "wget http://www.koth.org/irc-logs/2006-01-16.txt -O - --quiet | tail" [18:43] I'm a well logged asshole. [18:43] every 4 seconds? [18:44] that seems like quite a waste of bandwidth given the amount of traffic on this site.. [18:44] Lets spam him ;-) [18:44] channel activity warrants a few minutes # [18:44] but I guess wget does support intelligent fetching.. [18:44] bvowk: it makes up for my inadequancies [18:45] in spelling too. [18:52] * Roy is going to explode.. [18:52] Roy: so what about the dvorak kbd [18:53] you going to give me a link? [18:53] not anymore :-P just search ebay [18:53] (don't have the link anymore) [18:55] I've gained about 10 kilo's of weight in a year... hmm.. [18:56] congrats [18:56] I guess I'm at +/- 0 [18:57] Roy: I have gained that amount in 3 months [18:57] Could need some weigth, I was skinny, but 10 kilo's might be a bit overkill :) [18:58] though that wasn't hard since I had lost some weight the previous year. [18:58] 3 months? thats much too..! [18:59] not really. I began working out a little and that did it somehow, along with the meals. [19:01] I had a operation, so I stopped sports, that did it for me... if I don't start working out quick I won't be able to :) [19:02] don't exaggerate. [19:05] ok .. :( [19:07] do you now have a rough date [19:07] for icc 2006? [19:07] just showing general interest, [19:07] not planning to come since [19:07] i have nothing to contribute [19:07] anyway. [19:07] Sure you can, you could always bring some happiness and joy! [19:08] i, sir, am not generally understood to be the embodiment of joy [19:08] Rough date... 4/5/6 August [19:09] ah, august. and did you find any [19:09] ah, august. and did you findsponsors? [19:09] oh. [19:09] bug [19:09] No.. guess you all have to pay some more ;-) [19:10] ah so I guess it'd be "okay" for me to come :P [19:10] I can contribute a laptop/beamer and music for everybody ;-) [19:10] do you have an estimate? [19:10] Costs> [19:10] yes. [19:11] I think about 10/15 euro a day [19:11] now that sounds reasonable. [19:11] With Chef du Roy cooking dinner :-) [19:12] Dutch pancakes and 'stamppot' [19:12] what is stamppot? [19:12] potatoes? [19:12] mmmmmh, toes. [19:13] http://www.dekooktips.com/pic-rec/stamp-eik.jpg [19:13] http://www.borsele.net/koken/week_4.jpg :-) [19:14] looks like "kartoffelpuree" [19:14] Its something like that I think, potatoes with some vegetable stamped into a fine puree :) [19:15] But its very dutch (so they say) [19:15] i suppose i will leave this program as [19:15] it is and use it to chat on irc. [19:15] i have the feeling it is somewhat irritating. [19:16] it has the appearance of copy+paste and requires neither. [19:16] Heh it looks likea normal client.. [19:16] *like [19:17] what are you planning to [19:17]