[02:09] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [02:11] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [03:10] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:29] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:43] Join: datagram joined #corewars [05:19] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [06:58] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:12] Join: datagram joined #corewars [07:25] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:39] Join: datagram joined #corewars [07:51] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:05] Join: datagram joined #corewars [08:19] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [08:34] Join: datagram joined #corewars [08:45] Join: Roy joined #corewars [08:46] Hi all [08:49] hi r [08:49] This evening I'm going to Amsterdam, to Fizmo :) [08:49] good for you [08:50] I'll say hi :) [08:51] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [08:57] Also going to take my digital cam for pictures of our mini-meeting ;-) [09:05] Join: datagram joined #corewars [09:31] MSG: [11:13] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:27] Join: datagram joined #corewars [11:36] Join: brx joined #corewars [11:52] good day [11:53] Hello [11:54] http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/gif/022/real.jpg <- as seem in uk television [11:55] http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/gif/022/goof.jpg <- as seen in us television [11:55] :) [11:56] * datagram is painting koi fish [11:57] you are becoming better I take it [11:57] Well [11:57] I played more with the paint [11:57] But this will probably still come out bad [11:57] Watercolor is >< because of the bleeding [11:58] I know [11:58] And because I have to lay down values with black paint first and paint over it (not like oil...) [11:58] But I'm going to order some miskit, that should be cool [12:10] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:24] Join: datagram joined #corewars [12:49] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [12:57] hey Mizcu [12:58] broxey [12:58] hey all :) [13:00] Join: brx_livin joined #corewars [13:06] hey roy [13:10] * brx_livin enjoys sitting in the living room in his bath robe [13:10] waiting for the microwave food [13:18] Heh, I'm hungry :( [13:20] it's microwave food alright, they recommend doing it in the oven [13:21] so what happened is the plastic thing melted [13:21] pfft, then its not good microwave food [13:22] i will eat it anyway. hungry [13:22] Don't eat too much molten plastic, not healthy :) [13:23] i will try to steer my fork around the hotspots [13:24] I wonder if Fizmo will recognise me.. [13:24] when will he arrive? [13:25] and how have you changed? :) [13:25] He's in Amsterdam already..! and I'm going to Amsterdam tonight [13:25] :) [13:28] I'm going to take my laptop, so we could even do some coding [13:58] ooooh [13:59] bayern muenchen vs mainz 05 tomorrow [14:12] MSG: [14:23] You a soccer fan..? [14:33] not really [14:33] but when my hometown plays, I watch [14:35] And thats mainz? or muenchen? [14:38] it's mainz :) [14:38] and mainz is going to win by pure chance against all odds [14:38] I know it. [14:44] Hehe, well I wish you luck then! [14:44] you > them :) [14:45] :) [14:45] thanks [14:50] table football! brb [15:50] MSG: [16:10] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [16:33] Join: Judodudo joined #corewars [16:33] hi [16:36] MSG: Client Quit [17:31] Join: sf joined #corewars [17:31] Hello [17:34] hello. [17:36] * brx waves [17:36] Hi Brx [17:36] ust reading about your microwave food [17:36] oh [17:36] yes, interesting read I imagine [17:37] My oldest warrior got pushed off the nano hill :( [17:39] how old was it? [17:39] 180 [17:39] Not much compared to on-speed I know [17:40] I wasn't going to compare. the hill has changed a lot. [17:41] Yes all those scanners :-/ [17:42] i'm sorry if I am not responsive enough, but I am eating. [17:42] Mind the plastic bits ;) [17:43] thanks for reminding me [17:45] I usually cook something. Using saucepans and funny utensils :) [17:46] I am a rather lazy fellow, cooking is not for me. [17:46] most of the times that is [17:46] I have a good sense for spices however ;) [17:49] I've moved onto dragonflies for the nano hill now [17:59] MSG: Quit: Tenoch [18:15] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [18:20] MSG: Quit: Think your current client is sexy? Check out Bersirc 2.2! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [18:28] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [18:42] Join: datagram joined #corewars [18:43] sf: dragonflies? [18:51] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [18:51] :) [18:51] * brx sighs [18:52] are you really going to stay with that nick? :) [18:52] Yes :) [18:52] It has always been a pleasure to me to do "officially stupid" things like this [18:53] Especially, if they seems to enjoy other people [18:53] *seem [18:54] Any you, brx? When will you choose a pronounceable nick? :-) [18:54] "bricks" [18:54] or "brix [18:54] Mizcu prefers "broxey" [18:54] you may call me "brixie" [18:55] * brx smiles [18:55] I've never understood why to leave out vowels ... [18:55] I do not leave them out [18:55] it's brx. [18:55] that's the nick. [18:55] :) [18:55] the above are ways to pronounce it [18:55] it's an acronym [18:55] for? [18:55] for brk [18:56] * Fluffy is puzzled ... [18:56] brk, break [18:56] brx == breaks [18:57] definitely not obvious [18:57] most people get it. [18:57] :)# [18:57] google for brk [18:58] better [18:58] type "man break" [18:58] uh man brk [18:58] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:01] brx: You will keep your nick, I will keep mine :) [19:01] Fluffy: how about we both change? :) [19:02] Only if you can make up a better nick for me :) [19:02] Better == I think, it is better [19:03] of course [19:03] But don't take too long too long to suggest new nicks. In about one hour I will have and then it is final :) [19:03] 65536.org? :) [19:04] yet another domain, I have [19:05] "Du solltest zu www.jgutzeit.de gehen." [19:05] what does that mean? [19:05] That at the moment all of my stuff can be found at jgutzeit.de [19:05] is that the translation? [19:05] == "You should go to www.jgutzeit.de" [19:06] ah [19:06] I always thought, that you were from Germany [19:07] huh [19:07] I honestly don't know where you got that [19:07] your IP [19:07] yes, well I live in germany obviously. [19:07] in mainz. [19:09] But your German isn't that good then, is it? [19:09] :) [19:09] I have never bothered learning much german [19:09] "du ne kippe, bitte?" [19:09] is all I know [19:10] I can understand that. I don't like the language that much either :) [19:10] it sounds rough and edgy by default, next to know melody [19:11] s/know/no [19:11] It has melody and it interesting, but there are more interesting languages [19:12] *it is [19:12] Join: datagram joined #corewars [19:12] Fluffy: I don't know much about the language, the few things I know are obvious. it has no melody by default. [19:13] norsk on the other hand has a nice ring to it [19:14] [20:14:07] michalja: "entschuldigung, die obstsalat?" [19:14] ? [19:15] that's all he knows [19:15] what does it mean? [19:16] "Sorry, the fruit salad" [19:17] I need some context to describe the meaning. [19:17] is that supposed to be a question? [19:17] "sorry, the fruit salad?" [19:17] german is weird. [19:18] Why? [19:18] the statement doesn't make sense [19:18] not as a question. [19:18] At of things don't make sense, if you don't know the context [19:18] *A lot [19:19] have you seen babylon 5? :) [19:19] All of it :) [19:19] currently watching ep2 of season2 [19:20] michal is one season behind. [19:20] it's a good way to waste time [19:21] I know :-) that's why I got all episodes on DVD from ebay [19:21] Fluffy: you might enjoy watching firefly [19:22] I might, but they haven't been broadcasted yet in Germany [19:22] dvd is out [19:22] and movie was in theatres here [19:23] I'll wait until I can rent it. I'm often too mean to pay that much money for a simply movie [19:23] was referring to the series though [19:23] it was cancelled. [19:23] the show [19:23] so there are only 13 episodes [19:23] I know :) [19:23] It is hard to avoid such information, if you're reading slashdot [19:24] it is still the best scifi series I have seen [19:24] the acting and the dialogues are very nice [19:24] That's another problem. Everything is translated into German here and translations are ALWAYS bad [19:25] yes I have noticed. [19:25] do not watch a dubbed version of firefly. [19:25] just don't. :) [19:26] I simply wait for the DVD version [19:26] amazon.com [19:26] too expensive [19:26] * brx shrugs [19:28] I still wait for the suggestions for a new nick :) [19:28] oh right [19:28] how about "bully" [19:29] :( [19:29] :( [19:29] got another one? [19:30] one moment ... testing max length of nicks here [19:30] Nick Change: Fluffy changed nick to abcdefghi [19:30] Nick Change: abcdefghi changed nick to Fluffy [19:30] There you have it: 9 chars [19:31] That's sad: "SittingDuck" would have been another good choice :) [19:31] but it is too long [19:32] how about NobleDuck [19:32] :( [19:33] I found it while reading a text about spam. The example address was [19:34] hrm [19:35] how about BullDuck [19:35] :) [19:35] Nope [19:35] You are running out of time [19:36] My provider usually needs less than an hour to set up everything for yet another mail account [19:37] how about "bueschel" [19:38] or babelon [19:38] babbelon [19:39] I think, that your mind doesn't run along the lines it needs to create good nicks for me. (No offence ... just a fact) [19:39] I know [19:39] there is a definite pattern here. "fluffy" "sitting duck" [19:39] it screams victim [19:40] hehe ... I've just looked up Fluffy at Wikipedia. I've forgotten, that Fluffy was that dog in HP :) [19:41] brx: That's to few data to see a pattern :) [19:41] yes but your character provides the rest [19:41] :) [19:42] Then I have to provide yet another possible nick: Yarc [19:42] doesn't ring a bell [19:43] It is a little bit geeky ... and dates back from my first time in the Internet [19:43] remove the 'Y' and you get graham's language [19:44] huh? [19:44] arc [19:44] Yes "arc", but I don't know that [19:44] it's a language [19:45] a programming language [19:45] in development [19:47] hmm ... yet another lithp dialect [19:47] How about Malbolge? [19:47] ... a really nice language [19:47] you know, it really has merit. you might want to read pcl in your spare time just to get the notion. [19:49] Since you've started to bother me with lithp I've started to read a little bit about it. It has some nice features, but is too unusual to be useful [19:49] at least for my purposes [19:50] hrm [19:50] well part of why people like lithp is because it is usually suited for just about everything. [19:50] lack of libraries is a problem with new users. [19:51] and maybe ease of producing code for all kinds of applications leads to everyone just ruling his own [19:51] yes, that what I noted ... I was looking for a good GUI library [19:52] yes, there are virtually no useful ones for "outsiders" [19:52] that might change soon though, with cffi and grovel [19:52] one moment ... [19:54] sounds interesting, but seems to be a little bit late for language, that's been so long around [19:55] there is a nice quote [19:55] * brx checks [19:56] pad "Lisp doesn't look any deader than usual to me." [19:56] - David Thornley, reply to a question older than most languages [19:56] pad [19:56] hehe [19:57] By the way .... one question I have about LISP [19:57] How does its speed compare to the rest of the world? [19:59] common question [19:59] and what is the common answer? [19:59] :) [19:59] many answers, usually you will be told that lisp can be within 10% of "light speed" [19:59] I mean [19:59] c [20:00] meaning what? [20:00] that its speed is comparable to c [20:00] hehe ... for a moment I switched to physics-mode ... C = 300000 km/s :) [20:01] 10 % is fast enough for most purposes :) [20:01] for some applications and depending on how you code [20:01] it also depends on your implementation [20:01] but it is common wisdom to count it among the faster languages [20:02] (most implementations compile to native code) [20:05] hmm ... it seems, that I still have bugs in my parser :( [20:05] checked pmars/fmars source? [20:05] no, found "my own way" [20:05] both basically do what I proposed last. [20:06] fixed number of equ-replacements? [20:06] that is not what I proposed. [20:06] I proprosed expand when needed and tracking expansion state [20:08] Not, what I did :) [20:09] what did you do? [20:09] fixed number of replacement .... it was the cheapest thing to do [20:09] I won't change it until I've found the bug [20:09] I've downloaded all warriors from Koenigstuhl and test them [20:10] But that wasn't necessary so far, because I still can create a warrior from the code of HFB [20:12] It is of course the usual sometimes-the-bug-happens-sometimes-not-bug :-( [20:12] bugs hide. [20:13] Fortunately it is this time only Python code (and not C) and I always see the stack trace :) [20:13] and not just some damn segfault [20:16] brx: If I were to lean LISP, which dialect should I choose? [20:16] *learn [20:16] Part: Core29 left #corewars [20:17] Fluffy: common lisp and scheme are most "common". common lisp is a lisp 2, scheme is a lisp 1. there are some differences you might want to check out. [20:18] scheme's standard is much much thinner than cl's [20:18] so differences between implementations are major [20:18] :( [20:18] that's why I would advise learning common lisp. scheme feels more elegant though [20:19] mostly because of the namespace issue [20:19] Is there any standard way to write "C extensions"? [20:20] there is cffi, it's new, it's good, it has recently picked up callback support for most implementations [20:21] cffi works with a number of implementations, and the dev is easily accessible. [20:22] MSG: [20:22] thanks [20:22] * Fluffy starts again to find that mysterious bug [20:22] no problem fluff. I like you :) [20:23] as for book recommendations, practical common lisp by peter seibel is rather good. ansi common lisp by paul graham and on lisp, same author. [20:24] already found the book by p. seibel :) [20:24] in that order. you can skip the middle one. first and last are available online [20:24] yes, seibel became a common lisp pop star [20:24] his book is well liked by the community [20:27] Fluffy: even if you don't end up using lisp. those books are a good read, and might give great insight into the languages and what's nice about them. [20:28] I probably read Seibel's book, but not now. I've just finished "Judas Unchained" (got it two days ago) ... [20:28] and don't want to read much during the next days [20:29] :) [20:30] do you know erlang? [20:30] Originally I've read science fiction to relax a little bit, but now ... [20:32] hmm ... Erlang ... not very pleasant to the eye [20:33] Hey, that way I will never fix that bug! [20:33] I need to learn it. [20:33] what bug? [20:33] PyCorewar ... the parser [20:35] I've already wasted too much time on Malbolge today [20:35] well good hunting :) [20:35] and now it is final: Fluffy [20:35] Join: Tenoch joined #corewars [20:36] Hi Tenoch [20:36] hi Fluffy [20:36] and everyone [20:36] hi [20:37] Tenoch: Already improved your warrior :) [20:38] Fluffy: oh, not really [20:38] I think, it was called TenThen or sth .... [20:38] yeah [20:38] a whole generation [20:38] first there as TenTen [20:38] then Rock'n'Roll [20:38] (with 11 points on 94nop, right?) [20:38] then Rock'n'Roll Two [20:38] naruto? [20:38] and finaly Tagazok [20:38] :d [20:38] Yeah, 11 or 14 [20:38] something like that :) [20:40] hmm ... what happend to Koenigstuhl ... then order of all warriors on 94nop has changed [20:40] (not, that I want to complain ... HFB is not 2nd :-) [20:41] Fluffy: do you have a warrior on a hill ? [20:42] only on tiny@SAL at the moment [20:42] and on 94m@koth [20:42] HFB has been recently pushed off from 94nop :-( [20:43] :) [20:43] not by me :D [20:44] I know, but it was bound to happen [20:51] It is too late to find that bug ... [20:52] in your pushed off warrior? [20:52] can't you correct it and just re-submit it ? [20:52] No, I was talking about PyCorewar ... [20:52] aaah :) [20:53] HFB is just fine, although it might have needed a little bit more optimaxing [20:53] I will probably write a "Return of the Harmless Fluffy Bunny" eventually, but for now I'm working on PyCorewar [20:54] :) [20:54] is there a public depositroy where i could look at your source? [20:54] yes, Koenigstuhl ... [20:54] i've been curious to see what python looks like [20:55] ok [20:55] err ... no, [20:55] I was talking about HFB [20:55] yes, i just noticed that :) [20:56] PyCorewar has no homepage (yet), but you can download version 0.1.0 from http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/pycorewar/pycorewar-0.1.0.tar.bz2 [20:57] So far I've tested it only under Linux, but it should (I hope) work under Windows just as fine [20:57] i don't have windows :) [20:58] a simple "python setup.py install" should be all then [20:58] yep [20:58] did it work? [20:58] is there a way to prevent him to install binaries ? [20:58] i don't have admin rights on my machine [20:59] (r, i'm not suppoed to) [20:59] hmm ... never tried that [21:00] mmm compilation failed anyway [21:00] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [21:00] error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 [21:00] iMac:~/Desktop/PyCorewar noe$ [21:00] what was the exact output of make? [21:01] (before that) [21:01] build/temp.darwin-8.4.0-Power_Macintosh-2.3/src/ProcessQueue.o definition of _ProcessQueueType in section (__DATA,__data) [21:01] build/temp.darwin-8.4.0-Power_Macintosh-2.3/src/_Debuggingmodule.o definition of _ProcessQueueType in section (__DATA,__common) [21:01] oh wai [21:01] /usr/bin/ld: multiple definitions of symbol _ProcessQueueType [21:02] this is probably the error [21:02] strange [21:02] maybe python is not installed correctly here [21:03] I don't trust Apple too much for this [21:03] I've tested it version 0.1.0 with vmware under Ubuntu, debian and SuSE and everything worked [21:03] maybe there a mac-specific header-file, that uses _ProcessQueueType [21:04] i couldn't tell you [21:05] my programming skills are quite limited to standard C, objective C, and a little of SDL [21:07] and all self-taught... [21:08] And there goes the hope, that it would be easy to create some kind of "portable" MARS library [21:08] :S [21:08] Sorry [21:09] But maybve the problem is due to my computer [21:09] that isn't your fault [21:10] But that will have to wait until I have all the different MARS up and running under Linux [21:10] yep :) [21:10] Then I will probably steal my friend's computer and try to make it work under Windows, too [21:12] that will be funny :) [21:12]