[00:00] lol [00:00] bye [00:00] MSG: [00:08] holy shit [00:08] i just wrote two printer pages [00:08] on the simple dwarf [00:09] gaaaah [00:09] i'm insane [00:09] lol [00:10] please send newer versions of the doc as you proceed [00:10] but never mind, everyone here is insane [00:10] heh [00:10] i'll probably have someone host it on the internet when i'm done [00:11] i mean it cant be normal to do corewars... [00:11] * John offers [00:13] John? [00:13] * John offers to host i [00:14] I don't like this keyboard. I didn't have to push the keys quite so far down on my old one :-( [00:14] they just dont make keyboards like they used to [00:15] yeah [00:15] I have a nice keyboard [00:15] shiny, black, purple, wireless... [00:15] so you go can suck on a SPLsicle [00:16] i went in the store, i need a keyboard. They asked, what keyboard, i said the cheapest gray one [00:16] i have a shiny black wireless thing that goes out of sync whenever a current is run close to the path of the signals [00:16] because it generates a magnetic field [00:16] which fucks up the signal [00:16] which, in turn [00:16] messes up my happy field [00:16] i like the oldschool gray things :) [00:17] i was about to say that i havent had problems with my wireless keyboard, but i just realized that would be very very wrong answer [00:17] I dont buy expensive one, because i occasionally beat keyboards [00:18] its the cheapast part you can crash :) [00:18] now there is a layer of electronics-protective spray in there, and has worked for a year [00:18] * DrewHK always finds some lost buttons in the room from his old keyboard [00:20] * brx returns with a nice hot cup of milk coffee [00:20] I love that coffee machine [00:21] my friend learned typewriting, but always peeked at the keyboard. so he swapped up all the buttons over it. that was pretty [00:21] long live dvorak! [00:21] lol [00:22] i need a simple scissors (as in, VERY SIMPLE) to show noobs in my guide [00:22] 2 pages explaining the dwarf [00:23] get the first one [00:23] hm? [00:23] i'm not sure where i can find the first one [00:23] I am sure John knows :) [00:24] The first one isn't easy to read [00:24] A small oneshot would make a better example. [00:25] i was thinking of a simple .5c engine [00:25] Especially if you introduce clears first [00:25] to a single bomb [00:25] Capn: you can have shooting star ;) [00:25] Fizzle ;-) [00:25] oh? [00:25] i'll put clears as advanced stuff [00:25] oh? [00:25] they surely are less advanced than scanners. [00:25] just use a simple jmz-scan into a dat-bomb thrower? [00:26] http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/88/HILL/fizzle.red [00:26] :) [00:26] Or RedRain http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/88/HILL/redrain.red [00:26] pretty much the JMZ one [00:27] i'll make it up myself [00:27] would you guys say that scanners are the most complex type [00:27] of warrior [00:28] * brx shakes head [00:28] The most complex single type, in my opinion [00:28] In small scale. [00:28] Hybrids are more complex [00:28] yes [00:28] that's what i meant, single type [00:28] John: wouldn't you say that vampires are more complex? [00:28] if you have the imp, the dwarf, and a scanner, the scanner is most complex [00:28] and yes, vampires are out there [00:28] i don't even know how they work. I just know there's fangs, a pit, and some other stuff [00:29] Brx: yes, but I normally think of a vampire as a special type of bomber or scanner [00:29] * brx nods [00:30] Scanners like fizzle and redrain do well on the nano hill [00:30] why haven't they been tried earlier? [00:31] I believe the first few dozen warriors were clears [00:31] in my opinion, corewars needs something new. maybe just some good new command [00:31] that does something neat [00:31] (and of those clears, I believe on-speed survived the longest) [00:31] like, awesome neat. ahaha, on-speed [00:31] nano is <5 commands, right? [00:31] Yes [00:31] it's <6 commands. [00:32] <=5 commands [00:32] :-P [00:32] you can't write a 5 1/2 insn warrior :P [00:32] Part: John left #corewars [00:32] Join: John joined #corewars [00:33] Capn: "ahaha on-speed"? :( [00:33] Not sure what I just pressed [00:33] lol [00:33] alt-f4? [00:33] I remember the first version of shooting star had a clear which mangled itself into a perfect gate [00:33] pressing that is funny [00:34] i wish i knew what you said, brx. but then again, that's okay. [00:34] i think i do, in a bit [00:34] a bit** [00:34] is the command JMZ 'JMZ.f' by default? [00:34] i don't want to have to explain that to the peoples yet. the .f, .ab, etc [00:36] ctrl-p I think [00:36] no JMZ defaults to JMZ.B [00:37] -_- [00:37] JMZ.B is fine for a simple scanner [00:37] k [00:37] thank god [00:37] Fizzle never detects itself, because 2 b-fields are zero when they are scanned [00:38] which other instructions have different default mods depending on the amodes used? [00:38] besides mov [00:40] i am getting knocked out... i think it is time for sleep [00:40] good night DrewHK [00:41] bye [00:41] good night everyone! It was nice to chat here! [00:42] nice to talk to you [00:42] see ya [00:42] MSG: Quit: dat #0, #0 [00:42] keep trucking with the redcode, it'll come to you [00:42] http://corewar.co.uk/94war/94war02.txt [00:42] tee hee, DAT #0, #0. he terminated. [00:42] * John waves [00:42] capn: the issue of 94warrior above show the default modes for all instructions [00:43] thanks John [00:45] I think I should get some sleep [00:45] I need to be up in 4 hours :-( [00:45] night John :) [00:51] lol [00:51] night [00:52] brx, can you tell me why it might be advantageous to have a bomber and not just a scanner [00:53] if you substitute bomber for stone, then size, maybe speed. [00:53] k [00:53] get another opinion from Mizcu [00:54] bombers are smaller, so less likely to be hit by an opponent. Bombers will work with multiple processes in them (add a SPL 0 to the top) [00:55] Scanners should hit something hard when they find it - use a more effective attack which takes longer [00:55] loop ADD #4, pointer [00:55] JMZ loop, @pointer [00:55] MOV pointer, @pointer [00:55] JMP loop [00:55] pointer DAT #0, #0 [00:55] that's my basic one [00:56] but i will say that [00:56] Capn: run that against a dwarf. :) [00:56] It looks okay as an example [00:56] lol [00:57] the dwarf will destroy it [00:58] The scanner might beat Dwarf [00:59] sometimes [01:00] dwarf by Anonymous scores 2010 [01:00] yes tried it too [01:00] lol [01:00] scanner by Anonymous scores 990 [01:00] Results: 670 330 0 [01:01] i'm done writing it for now [01:01] i g2g soon [01:01] but first [01:01] i'll start work on my new .66c scanner [01:01] finally [01:02] a good mod8 number to use? [01:02] i'll use 88 for now [01:02] dwarf by akd scores 263 [01:02] capnscan by capn scores 317 [01:02] Results: 81 99 20 [01:02] ;) [01:02] Now change the JMZ in the scanner to JMZ.F - they score 50/50 [01:02] cool [01:02] problem is, it's a beginner and i'm not explaining those yet [01:02] lol [01:02] i'll write that part up tomorrow [01:02] the addressing modes and the .fs and the .abs [01:03] John: do they? [01:03] i did a lot of work today, holy crap [01:03] like, 8 pages now [01:03] of redcoding bliss [01:03] :-) [01:03] i covered all three archetypes, wheras ilmari covered only the imp and the dwarf [01:04] paper? ;-P [01:04] i'm going to go eat my clementine and practice my guitar [01:04] imp = paper, essentially [01:04] Another guitar player! [01:04] I know that the scanner beats the dwarf if you change the @ to > and make jmp loop a jmp -1 ;) [01:04] i'll do more advance examples tomorrow as well [01:04] brx: then it's a oneshot [01:04] well, i know that too, but... :P [01:04] John: yes [01:04] i actually wanna get into bas [01:04] bass guitar [01:04] but for now, acoustic [01:05] * John has acoustic too [01:05] i g2g now, my little, noncoder, idiot brother wnats on [01:05] see ya [01:05] MSG: Quit: Leaving [01:05] bye cap [01:05] * brx waves [01:05] * John waves [01:05] sleep now! [01:08] * brx waves [01:29] I generate the first random hill and get my first clear which scores infinitely better than the rest. [01:29] * brx sighs [01:35] MSG: [03:21] Join: brx_ joined #corewars [03:24] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [05:17] Nick Change: brx_ changed nick to brx [05:18] Time for work :-( [05:18] * John waves [05:18] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [09:42] Join: DrewHK joined #corewars [09:42] hi [10:12] Join: Roy joined #corewars [10:12] LOG MESSAGE: Fluff, update the list for dissc, automate it :-P [10:13] I've done a few now, no idea how many.. [10:13] MSG: Client Quit [10:15] oh i gotta go [10:15] bye [10:15] MSG: [12:35] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [12:36] aawww, 3 puppies asleep and one is cleaning hes brother's ear [13:11] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [13:11] :) [13:13] Roy: I've updated the statistics page. I'll update it again later today [14:30] Join: DrewHK joined #corewars [14:32] hi [14:48] hi [14:48] I have written a preliminary eve hill server yesterday ;) [14:57] Roy: come online [14:57] eve? [14:57] *plug time* ! [14:57] DrewHK: brx-019.blogspot.com [14:59] hey, puppy cam needs password now :( [14:59] no.... [14:59] ack [15:00] yes it does :) [15:00] that is eve... it sounds fun. I am now writing my own evolver code [15:01] i need that password! =~( [15:01] :( [15:01] whast representation do you use as dna? [15:02] what [15:03] DrewHK: I won't talk about the details of the algorithm to anyone for now, only about general node setup and work distribution [15:04] ok [15:05] you know, that eve leads an interesting parallel with island ga models [15:06] i have some ideas, but i want to test them first, before i talka bout them [15:06] DrewHK: where did you pick up island ga models? :) [15:08] read about gas last semster [15:08] why? [15:08] good, well, yes. I know. [15:10] there are some interesting ideas around isolated populations reintroduced to the main population [15:11] don't jinx me [15:11] http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VIIA1bPunctuated.shtml [15:11] jinx? [15:11] brx: I am the wrong person to talk to :) [15:12] .. [15:12] DrewHK: I don [15:12] 't like having too much outside influence [15:12] when it comes to this [15:13] ok [15:13] at least not now [15:14] i respect that [15:14] sorry [15:14] I am rereading part of the mnesia docs to decide if I should use mnesia for warrior distribution or use plain dets tables and propagate "manually" [15:16] and don't be sorry. I am very easy to handle if you are not downright aggressive :) [15:19] i hope i am not aggressive, but if you ever feel so, tell me, and i will slow down! [15:19] DrewHK: http://www.erlang.se/doc/doc-5.0.1/lib/mnesia-3.9.2/doc/html/part_frame.html [15:20] um.. I think i dont like to read that now :) [15:20] you could just the About part :) [15:22] its done [16:30] Join: sf joined #corewars [16:30] good day sf [16:31] Hello brx [16:31] helo [16:34] oh my god [16:34] erlang macros suck so much [16:34] check this out.. [16:37] -define(fdef(Fname, Body), Fname() -> Body). will not work [16:37] but if I write another macro like this: [16:37] -define(arrow, ->). [16:37] and substitute ?arrow for the one in the first macro def, it works. [16:38] i dont think i want to learn erlang [16:38] these moments are when I wished erlang was a lisp. [16:38] are the [16:39] It's a bit dark on the puppy cam at the moment [16:39] it's not restricted? [16:39] it asks password [16:40] for me too. [16:40] I'm watching on camera 2 [16:40] ah [16:40] how? [16:40] sf: they are not the same puppies [16:40] I wouldn't know, I can't see anything :( [16:40] sf: I recorded all three cams simultaneously. [16:41] sf: it loops. [16:41] how can you switch to another camera [16:41] ? [16:42] loop? [16:42] Do you mean it's all prerecorded and it's being played back as though it's a webcam? [16:42] sf: yes :) [16:43] That is a very strange thing to do [16:43] in this case, cruel [16:43] damn, it really loops? :) [16:44] There were some things I only saw them do once. How long before it repeats? [16:44] sf: 24 hours [16:44] sf: see, I noticed that that woman always enters the room at the same time! :) [16:45] She might always feed them at the same time every day [16:45] sf: oh, I haven't thought of that :) [16:45] We'll have to find another camera for the topic then [16:45] kidding, no what got my attention was that cam 3 and cam 1 appear to show the same place [16:45] but the puppies were at different locations [16:46] however, the toys in that area are the same [16:46] and bowls etc are arranged in the same way [16:47] how did you see the other cameras? [16:48] DrewHK: http://www.blueborder.dk/Dansk/web_cam.htm [16:48] oh.. [16:48] i tried to traverse ip numbers and that worked too :) [16:49] DrewHK: I like you. [16:49] why? :) [16:50] I am not sure, I remember telling you that when you first entered. I had a feeling. I can confirm it now. [16:50] Fluffy: I like you too :) [16:51] i like you guys too. I think you are excellent brains here [16:54] Topic Change: sf sets topic: www.koth.org - www.corewar.info - www.corewar.co.uk | off-topic: http://www.cjseng.com:81/view/view.shtml [16:55] sf: boring [16:55] I can't change the topic I don't think it is implemented [16:56] Find a better one then. This one has sound :) [16:57] sf: I can't listen to it with firefox :) [16:57] There's a list of default admin passwords for cameras somewhere [16:57] Have you ever been to the tate gallery? [16:58] no [16:58] Silly question it is in London [16:58] I have been to london before. [16:58] in [16:58] http://johnny.ihackstuff.com/index.php?module=prodreviews&func=reviewsbycat&reviewsel=18 [16:59] They have a dark room there with projectors showing live webcam images on all of the walls [17:05] http://www.google.com/search?q=intitle:liveapplet+inurl:LvAppl&hl=hu&lr=&start=60&sa=N [17:05] this is fun [17:06] lol [17:07] I can see someone in what seems to be a classroom [17:07] and shake the camera around :) [17:07] that must feel creepy [17:08] "its more fun to compute" [17:08] to be kraftwerk-ish ;) [17:08] and there is a lot of results :) [17:09] aaah this is the university of northern iowa, department of chemistry [17:09] johnny long and his friends got a very good database [17:10] sf: try it [17:11] DrewHK: it is funny following passing people with the cam :) [17:12] i havent found any people just landscape :( [17:12] http://134.161.240.80/sample/LvAppl/lvappl.htm [17:13] the applet has a panorama view, two people are discussing something in the room on the left [17:13] focus just above the door [17:14] :) [17:14] my opera always hangs :( [17:14] can you? [17:14] aaah [17:14] yes you can [17:14] I just lost control :) [17:14] wiggle around with the cam a bit :) [17:15] i think it is because piotr bania's anti shellcode dll... [17:15] on the right is the zoom [17:15] aes i saw [17:15] :) [17:16] you can select a different cam [17:16] I believe [17:16] Can you attract someone's attention, then comuncate with them? [17:16] sf: I tried with the two people ion the room [17:16] s/cam/preset [17:16] sf: I wiggled the cam from one person to the other to get attention [17:16] and, [17:16] ? [17:16] sf: you can watch, currently drew is controlling it :) [17:16] DrewHK: and they didn't notice [17:17] you probably have to keep it up for a while [17:17] There are some peoples that actually dont freak out when a camera is following their every move? [17:17] Mizcu: they probably don't notice :) [17:18] hrm I am pretty desperate for cigarettes right now.. [17:18] lot of cams are from japan [17:19] i found a dead one too [17:20] hrmph [17:20] i am too predictable [17:20] i choose randomlym, ind i found the same ones [17:21] randomly [17:21] and [17:21] (damn) [17:22] I will keep wiggling the cam until it breaks [17:22] why? [17:22] THERE [17:22] THEYS LOOK [17:22] Can't you write something to autowiggle it? [17:22] THESY NOTICE ME [17:22] Now stop! [17:22] no [17:23] I believe it was just someone entering :) [17:23] who took control! [17:23] Then wiggle in a circle [17:23] oh you :) [17:23] Not me [17:23] who is? [17:24] there is a panorama control did you see that? [17:24] yes [17:24] using it [17:25] room 277a [17:25] is there any zoom ? [17:25] yes [17:26] I wish the cam could emit sounds [17:26] i think this cam was not for public use :) [17:27] someone keeps resetting it :) [17:27] it resets itself. [17:27] yes [17:27] and you can control only a minute or so [17:28] hey there are people on the corridor [17:28] yes [17:29] theye are leaving [17:29] they are leaving the room! [17:29] ;) [17:30] will follor the girl ;) [17:30] rrright [17:31] :( [17:31] damn [17:32] that is what you can call "multimedia experience" ;) [17:33] yes :) [17:33] Have you found any others inside people's houses yet? [17:34] no [17:34] MSG: [17:34] sf: what exactly do you want to see? we can look :) [17:35] something entertaining [17:35] whe should try other google hacks [17:35]