[00:02] MSG: [03:12] Join: brx` joined #corewars [03:12] MSG: Client Quit [03:13] Join: brx` joined #corewars [03:13] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [03:14] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:42] Nick Change: brx` changed nick to brx [09:26] MSG: [10:41] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [10:44] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [10:44] :) [10:45] * brx waves [10:46] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [10:46] Are you simply greeting or are you leaving the channel, brx? [10:48] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:48] * brx greets [10:49] hehe :-) [10:49] Hi brx. [10:49] have you read jim's story? [10:49] Yesterday I promised to publish the data about the completed score surfaces, but the universe had a different opinion about it [10:50] brx: A book? [10:50] brx: no [10:50] no, a story published on a website [10:50] read it, it is very good [10:50] URL? [10:50] see my blog for the link [10:50] :) [10:50] k [10:50] (i don't remember it anymore) [10:51] anyway ... one of my harddisks failed and I had to restore a "little" backup [10:51] i.e. 10 DVDs [10:51] don't tell me you lost patches [10:51] no [10:51] good :) [10:51] now that you mention it.. I had a hd failure before [10:52] no backups.. [10:52] Long ago I've made the mistake of not making backups. I've lost over a year's work [10:52] maybe I should make a few now [10:52] :) [10:53] Now I think, that I won't loose more than the work of the last 4 hours [10:53] The data for the patches is save ... it is stored on one of my gmail accounts :) [10:53] there to remain for at least half a century :) [10:55] By the way, brx .. you'll soon get some competition for rank 1 (for calculating patches) [10:55] Not me, but sb. else [10:56] bark? [10:56] nope [10:56] good [10:56] but I hope, that I get more people into it soon [10:56] You already know, that the score surface for YAP (JMZ) looks quite interesting. [10:57] I hope, that there is more to come [10:59] meanwhile you could talk to the evolvewar guys [11:01] I'm reading about it atm [11:02] It seems, that it is settled now, that it will p2p, right? [11:03] nothing is settled yet. [11:04] nothing is clear yet. [11:05] hmm ... maybe somebody should write a protocol draft (for "exchanging" warriors) [11:06] bvowk should do it. [11:06] if this project has any chance, it is with him. [11:07] ccai? [11:07] so it would be great if he'd step in and look to discuss it further, on rgc and on their board [11:07] what about ccai [11:08] Fluffy: . [11:08] I thought, that he'd use ccai for it [11:08] of course.. [11:09] I mean.. why is that relevant? :) [11:09] the evolver used has nothing to do with evolvewars per se [11:09] (henceforth I will refer to it as evocoreniverse) [11:11] I'm still reading the logs and thought, that bvowk has already started to write a protocol for evolvewars and ccai [11:11] oh? [11:11] I wasn't aware of *tjat* [11:11] and I am sure I would have heard about t [11:12] I only ASSUMED, that he already has started to work on it [11:14] yes [11:14] and if there was any reason to assume thus I believe I would have heard about it :) [11:14] :) [11:22] I've just had an idea for EvolveWars [11:23] Why do we need to implement a server or the p2p code? We could use an already existing infrastructure. [11:24] true enough. will suggested to simply use a webserver on rgc. [11:24] we could also use... *gasp* irc :P [11:24] For example there are enough Jabber-libraries out there [11:24] ouch [11:24] ? [11:25] Why is that? [11:25] when it could be as easy as using irc, you propose jabber :) [11:26] Ok, IRC could be used, too, but with Jabber (I really like it) we would have anonymity and we could "rate" a user easily [11:27] Fluffy: that's an okay direction as far as thoughts on the network go, post it to the board and rgc [11:28] don't forget to add the irc option. [11:28] Fluffy: do you know the game "gothic" ? [11:28] damn it .... I reread the posts to rgc about it and propose a protocol (together with the jabber/irc/whatever option) [11:28] and "gothic 2"? :) [11:28] brx: no [11:29] :( [11:29] Join: sascha joined #corewars [11:29] Boing....Hi Jens [11:29] they were extremely popular and well received [11:29] and Hi to the rest [11:29] the rest says: "hi sascha" [11:29] hello rest [11:29] Hi sascha! [11:29] * brx throws e [11:56] Join: brx` joined #corewars [11:58] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [12:01] MSG: Quit: brb [12:01] Join: brx joined #corewars [12:21] Join: brx` joined #corewars [12:24] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:31] MSG: Quit: as [13:23] Join: brx joined #corewars [13:23] heh [13:23] !!! WE HAVE A WINNER: (0 2 1 2 2 2) [13:23] 0.65 : (2 1 2 0 2 1 2 0 2 1 2 2 2) : 13 [13:23] 1 : (2 1 2 0 1 1 2 0 2 1 2 2 2) : 13 [13:23] !!! WE HAVE A WINNER: (0 2 1 2 2 2) [13:24] * Fluffy hehs back ;-) [13:24] 0.65 : (2 1 2 0 2 1 2 0 2 1 2 2 2) : 13 [13:24] !!! WE HAVE A WINNER: (2 2) [13:24] 0.65 : (2 1 2 0 2 0 1 2 0 2 1 2 2 2) : 14 [13:24] !!! WE HAVE A WINNER: (2 2) [13:24] 0.65 : (2 1 2 0 2 1 2 2 2) : 9 [13:24] [13:25] Join: brx` joined #corewars [13:25] conncetion problems btw :) [13:26] I never would have noticed that ;-) [13:27] Join: brx`` joined #corewars [13:28] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:28] Join: brx``` joined #corewars [13:29] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [13:31] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:33] I wonder if john has realized ... :) [13:41] Join: brx```` joined #corewars [13:44] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:45] well the ga seems to be working [13:45] and it's fun :) [13:50] Join: brx````` joined #corewars [13:50] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:50] 2:86 To Moses We gave the Scriptures and after him we sent other documentations. We gave Xemacs.Org the son of Gnus veritable signs and strengthened him with the Holy Editor. Will you then scorn each documentation whose message does not suit your fancies, charging some with imposture and slaying others? [13:52] Join: brx`````` joined #corewars [13:54] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:57] this is nice [13:57] when I start with 6 steps [13:57] and only allow them to shrink [13:58] they will shrink to size 3 with the 212 combination becoming widespread [13:59] okay nice [13:59] it now evolves for optimality too [14:00] * sascha waves [14:00] Part: sascha left #corewars [14:04] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:10] Join: brx joined #corewars [14:10] * brx is is coming near the 4 8 solution [14:11] (button trap) [14:11] 9 states away from total victory [14:12] * brx is turned on by scrolling digit columns [14:12] 8 : (10 20 17 0 0 12 6 20 7 17 13 4 4 15 18 1 19 21 19 0 7 18 21 7 21 12 3 21 4 2) : 30 [14:12] [14:19] nearer! [14:19] 7 states to go! [14:19] 6 : (20 0 12 19 11 15 12 18 15 19 6 3 8 17 8 10 17 21 19 0 7 11 21 7 21 12 3 21 10 2) : 30 [14:19] [14:34] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [14:35] brx: I've posted a "draft" for the EvolveWars protocol to rgc. [14:35] Hi Core29 :) [14:36] hey =) [14:39] Fluffy: nice. [14:40] * brx notices he is still connected [14:41] brx: I think, I've done sth. very stupid [14:42] brx: I can't find my posting to rgc about the protocol. It seems, that I haven't hit the submit button :-( [14:43] Nick Change: Fluffy changed nick to Fluffy_af [14:43] Nick Change: Fluffy_af changed nick to Fluffyafk [14:43] so, that's why sane people use a newsreader [14:48] MSG: Quit: humhum [14:48] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [14:49] Nick Change: Fluffyafk changed nick to Fluffy [14:49] brx: Who said, that I'm a sane person? ;-) [14:51] don't hope anyone ever asumed this ;) [14:54] brx: Now I definitely know, that I've posted it [14:58] Join: brx` joined #corewars [14:58] god damnit [15:00] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [15:03] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:03] Join: brx` joined #corewars [15:05] Join: brx`` joined #corewars [15:08] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:08] brx: How about switching to completely cable bound internet ;-) [15:09] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:07] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [16:58] Join: Core29_ joined #corewars [17:02] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:42] Join: me joined #corewars [17:42] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [17:43] Nick Change: me changed nick to Fluffy [18:15] Join: Metcalf joined #corewars [18:16] Hi [18:18] Hi John! [18:23] Hi Jens, welcome back [18:24] It was nice week ... no computers ... many mountains :) [18:24] But I had a lot to do [18:25] I've been in the mountains this weekend ;-) [18:25] I hope, it was nice, too [18:27] Wet, muddy, cold [18:27] :( [18:30] Now I need to get back on the 94nop hill [18:30] Metcalf: http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/temp/diff.png [18:32] At which point is the most extreme difference? [18:33] one moment [18:33] which difference shows the graph? [18:34] I've taken YAP vs. Muskrat and subtracted the score of YAP (JMZ.A) vs. Muskrat. [18:35] Red = YAP(JMZ.A) is better, Blue = YAP is better [18:36] so overall YAP is better? [18:37] yes [18:39] Best score of YAP(JMZ.A) is 246.65 (W 78.84, L 11.04, T 10.12) [18:39] at (94, 43) [18:40] Interesting is, that the part, where JMZ.A is better, is where pstep1 < about 150 [18:41] I know, that this has to do with Muskrat's step, but I don't know, WHY! [18:42] Position (290, 288) - DJN.F is 129.63 points better than JMZ.A [18:44] Position (75, 78) JMZ.A is 93.63 points better than DJN.F [18:46] Interesting they are both close to the diagonal [18:46] No, it isn't interesting! [18:47] It is obvious (I think), that it is that way [18:47] THink of the way, the JMZ.A paper copies itself [18:47] and how the DJN.F paper does it [18:48] They both overwrite an existing copy of themselves [18:55] I'm back on the hill, and Neo's the new koth :-) [18:55] :) [18:58] Join: Roy joined #corewars [18:58] Hi all' [18:59] Hi Roy [19:00] So, whats up? [19:01] You haven't completed any new patches ;-) [19:01] Have read the protocol sketch on r.g.c have to think about that [19:01] That's what it is for :) [19:01] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:02] Nobody wanted to write anything, so I simply wrote, what can into my mind [19:03] Its a good idea to use Jabber, or some other existing network thing [19:04] That way you don't need to implement code for the p2p stuff [19:04] Indeed [19:05] There are already plenty of IRC and Jabber libraries out there (for several languages) [19:05] if the protocol is kept simple enough, it should be quite easy to add it to existing and new evolvers [19:06] Hrm, whats going on here... [19:06] * Roy looks out window [19:06] Join: John joined #corewars [19:06] What? Another alien attack? [19:06] Maybe, a lot of helicopters flying over [19:07] Hi John, welcome to the Roy-looks-out-of-the-window-channel-and-sees-sth. [19:07] What do you see out of the window today Roy? [19:07] About 7/8 already flew over, at least two (those two might be circling) [19:07] Roy: maybe they finally found you and want to take you to prison [19:08] Maybe they want to chop all birds into halves, because they might have bird flu ;-) [19:08] Heh, we don't have H5N1 here YET.. [19:09] Italy, France, Austria, Germany, Belgium have... so uhm it won't take long I recon [19:09] I don't care. [19:09] Bird flu - one of the silliest ideas ever. [19:09] Hehe [19:10] They care about a disease, which DOES NOT YET EXIST [19:10] "Fluffy: Bird flu!? It will never thrive, it doesn't have a fluffy name!" [19:10] Yup :) [19:11] But I do think it exists.. [19:11] Maybe you should call your next warrior H5N1. Then you'd have it, too [19:11] Look at the hill Fluffy..!! [19:11] 10 H5N1 Sascha Zapf 25 22 54 127.79 3 Q4.5 -> Quadpaper's [19:11] 94nop? [19:12] err [19:12] yup [19:12] I really should get back onto 94nop [19:12] I'm no longer "in touch" with the development ;-) [19:12] I lost all my warriors :-( [19:13] Who killed HullabaTwo? [19:13] So I placed some new versions, looking better again now [19:13] No idea actually... [19:13] Probably John ;-) [19:13] He's killed a lot of good warriors already ;-) [19:13] I think Sascha did it, but John is more "old warrior killer' [19:14] * Roy is a high ranked killer too [19:14] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:16] * Fluffy can only kill imps [19:16] It seems, that I go each year a little bit more retro [19:17] I often use links for browsing ... now I've switched back to a console IRC client [19:17] Heh, Links is just fun, and saves you from a LOT of ads and graphics [19:17] And it is faster :) [19:19] It is about time to abandon all that GUI crap and go back to the good old times ;-) [19:19] (apart from the part, where you use slower computers of course ;-) [19:20] Hrm, not really, I like visual stuff.. [19:21] Yes, sometimes, but now can usually have a lot of fun, if you use programs without GUIs [19:21] If I watch DVDs on computer I usually use ogle (without the gui). It only has some simple key bindings. [19:22] A friend of mine watched a DVD with it and wanted to close the window by clicking on it [19:22] of course it didn't respond and he got quite mad [19:22] Soon I was on the floor and had a very good laugh :) [19:23] Maybe I should abandon my mouse, too ;-) [19:23] hehe, you can convert all the DVD's to ascii too! [19:23] Join: John joined #corewars [19:23] no problem ... I've already tried it with aalib [19:24] looks quite funny and you can even guess, what the movie is about, if you are several meters away from the monitor [19:25] hehe [19:26] Roy, I am not happy with you! [19:26] Yes, Roy, look what you have done [19:27] * Fluffy knows nothing about it, but complains nonetheless [19:27] http://corewar.co.uk/report.htm - look at by first time [19:28] 4)18/Feb/2006average age+midget (page 2) [19:28] wtf? :P [19:29] * John wonders who seached for Toy Flesh Eating Giant Metcalf [19:29] Or John Metcalf is in love [19:30] And the ip address of the offender is 62.45.34.135! [19:30] * Roy hides :-) [19:30] :) [19:30] brx tried some too :P [19:31] This one is populair: [19:31] 11) 3 john metcalf is a idiot (page 1) [19:32] Whoever search for that term, missed an "n" ;-) [19:33] *searched [19:33] you don't write the n, you only speak it, irrc [19:33] iirc [19:34] hmm ... as far as I know, you also write it [19:34] Native speakers, please stand up :) [19:34] John is the native speaker :P [19:35] I know, but he's probably already disconnected [19:35] hmm ... who really searched for "xxx+" [19:35] *searches [19:36] Various different IP addresses [19:36] John: an or a? [19:36] Fluffy? [19:36] Do you write "an idiot" or "a idiot"? [19:37] I vote for "an" [19:37] An [19:37] I vote for write "a" and speak "an" [19:37] :/ [19:37] John: Thanks [19:37] Fluffy wins [19:38] John: How often is report.htm generated? [19:38] When I feel like it :-) [19:38] maybe you should download your logs again and redo that report [19:39] I use the free software linked from the top of the report [19:41] and it has nice ASCII graphics :) [19:41] I can't see anything unusual in the logs for the last few minutes [19:42] look for the Google search terms [19:42] especially those including "John Metcalf" [19:43] Nothing yet, the log probably doesn't update straight away [19:43] hmm [19:46] I bought a couple of new books yesterday [19:46] John: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Jack [19:46] Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World [19:47] :) [19:49] I've heard about the road builder before, and also the Welsh composer [19:53] Maybe it is time to add "John Metcalf", the famous redcoder :) [19:55] :-) [19:58] Join: John_ joined #corewars [19:58] John, do you use wlan? [19:59] No, What's that? [19:59] Wireless Local Area Network [19:59] you know what that means, your head is just sleeping [19:59] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:59] Nick Change: John_ changed nick to John [20:00] hehe [20:00] I'm only asking because of you frenquent disconnects [20:00] *your [20:05] Oh :-) [20:06] I am using a neighbour's wireless. [20:06] LOL [20:06] with or without his permission? [20:06] I just wish I knew whose, so I could go and tell them and offer them some money [20:06] Without (at the moment) [20:06] err [20:07] Part: Core29_ left #corewars [20:07] I'd happily pay 100% of their broadband costs to be allowed to use it [20:07] Can't you get your own internet connection? [20:07] I rent somewhere for now [20:08] This seems to become a habit of this channels residents :P [20:08] I won't be buying somewhere until someone decides she's happy to move in with me [20:09] It seems to be a bad moment to mention, that soon I'll have a fast DSL connection [20:09] My budget for a house is 180K, but her expectations are in the 500K range! [20:09] right? [20:10] John: Why not add both values and set the budget to 680K? You both will be satisfied then ;-) [20:11] Okay, providing she comes up with the 500K. I suspect working in a cafe doesn't pay quite enough :-) [20:11] Depends on who own the cafe? [20:12] ? -> . [20:12] *owns [20:12] Neither of us :-) [20:13] That might be problem [20:13] perhaps you should ask the owner if he provides the 500K [20:13] How about selling "your" broadband connection to other people [20:14] I need a good money making idea [20:14] It has to be legal [20:14] Blair Witch was a great idea [20:15] I know the movie, but what has that to do with getting money? [20:18] It cost 25K to make [20:20] Probably a good investment :-) [20:21] Heh, could be made even lower budget, with a erhm, phone cam :P [20:22] Roy: you should produce a file with a phone cam on ICC and try to sell it for millions [20:24] There already is somebody making a full length film on a mobile phone :( [20:27] sf has just bought a digital camcorder [20:29] hmm ... since I think very lowly off mankind, I would propose sth. else. [20:29] Will it make lots of money? [20:29] Take a beautiful girls, make it wear next to nothing and sell the movie [20:29] *it->her [20:30] If you are lucky, you'd pay almost nothing [20:31] Lots of people have websites like that, would need to have something original [20:31] And sf says it's a bad idea [20:32] So, what do you/does sf suggest? [20:34] I have no suggestions [20:34] Join: mechjock joined #corewars [20:34] If I did I'd try them and make a fortune [20:34] Hi Mechjock [20:34] Hi mechjock [20:34] hi [20:34] I haven't seen you here before, are you new to Corewar? [20:35] completly ;-) [20:35] How far have you got? Have you learnt redcode? [20:36] was doing some digging about the irc wars back in the early 90s and a wb page flashed up about it so thought i`d look into it [20:36] Ilmari's guide is best http://vyznev.net/corewar/guide.html [20:36] * John doesn't know what irc wars is [20:36] irc wars.. bleh [20:37] the third most popular Polish pasttime after CS and idling (puts fire-resistant suit on) [20:37] the irc wars were back in the early 90s when channels were being taken over , ops stolen computers crashed general chaos, script kiddies ruled the day [20:37] CS = computer science? [20:38] Corewar is much more fun than that sounds [20:38] You write b [20:38] programs in a language similar to a simplified assembly [20:38] CS being Counter-Strike [20:39] Which battle other programs to control a virtual computer [20:39] I don't play computer games :-) [20:40] so i gathered , the web page i found mentioned 5 strategies , imp bomber vampire etc , where can i find some source examples? [20:40] http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR [20:41] Look at the Koenigstuhl infinite hills on this page [20:41] Some of the programs look long and complicated [20:41] mechjock: You might want to get pMARS as well: http://sf.net/projects/corewar [20:42] or corewin if you have windows or working win-emulator; http://www.geocities.com/corewin2/ [20:43] However some simpler programs still do well, for example http://corewar.co.uk/infitiny/OOS.RED [20:43] hmm ... I wish PyCorewar was ready by now. I could recommend it, too [20:44] Fluffy: have you tried brx's riddles? [20:44] no, URL? in the logs? [20:50] John? [20:51] Brx posted some riddles here [20:51] Do you know the day? [20:51] Two professors see each other for the first time since the Vietnam war [20:52] Professor van Rijn tells professor Schmidt he has three daughters [20:52] The product of their age is 72. [20:53] hehe I think, I know that kind of riddles [20:53] Professor Schmidt still isn't sure how old the daughters are [20:53] Does the solution include to enumerate all solutions and exclude all, that don't fit? [20:54] Professor van Rijn says the sum of their age is the same as the number on the building over there (they are in Berkley Square) [20:54] Professor Schmidt still isn't sure about the age [20:55] "my youngest turned" [20:55] did i remember right? [20:55] However Professor van Rijn says his eldest daughter is learning to play the piano and Professor Schmidt realised his eldest daughter is the same age. [20:55] How old are the daughters? [20:55] darned [20:56] Brx's description is better than ours [20:57] *mine [20:58] 2,4,9;4,6,3;8,3,3;18,2,2;2,3,12 are the possible [20:59] 2,6,6 [21:00] If you really want to talk about difficult math. problems, I have one for you :-) [21:00] just ask :P [21:01] Okay, lets have a go [21:01] There is a little snail. It cannot die and sits at one end of a rubber band. [21:01] The rubber band has a length of 1 km and cannot be destroyed [21:02] Fluffy: "John Metcalf is our King" :-) [21:02] Now the snail starts to crawls (or whatever snails do, when they move) towards the other end of the rubber band [21:03]