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[16:27] I'm in trouble now. [16:27] Hi Barkley [16:27] It has been a while... [16:27] done anything interesting? [16:28] if interesting = corewar interesting, then unfortunately: no [16:28] I didn't have the time for corewar in the last two months [16:28] I will begin redcoding again soon, probably [16:28] :) [16:29] How are your monstrous evolvers doing? [16:29] not much of anything.. I'm doing rewrites of much of them.. [16:29] and making hacks to pmars for metcalf on he who asked to not be mentioned's behalf [16:30] :) [16:32] bbiaw. [16:33] is this the last bastion of corewar then, or are there still events and things going on? [16:33] there are things going on... [16:34] but there are times when the activity of people doing corewar drops a bit [16:34] Roy is organising a corewar meeting in Holland [16:35] yes :) [16:35] sinusoidal [16:35] there was a corewar championship not so long ago [16:35] the hills are always active... [16:35] oh right [16:36] none of the websites I'v seen have had results from anything later than 1999 [16:36] guess I'm not looking right ;) [16:36] websites are not our biggest thing, nope [16:36] most of the fresh info you can get either here, or at rec.games.corewar group [16:37] www.corewar.info is the main site [16:37] ahh hokay. Not been on newsgroups for years. I'll take a look [16:39] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [16:39] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:39] hi [16:39] Hi Fizmo [16:40] Hi Nenad [16:40] howdy fiz [16:40] how are u? [16:41] ok. mostly busy. [16:41] hahaha, same here [16:41] :) [16:42] still making an inspirative break from cw [16:43] but don't start to feel save on the hills ;-) [16:43] well, I am making a break... although I'm not sure about that inspiring part [16:43] I will surely come back :-P [16:43] I'll probably start redcoding in about two weeks :) [16:44] no time now [16:44] ic [16:44] but we're having interesting lectures, so it's ok [16:45] Join: sf joined #corewars [16:46] Hi Chris [16:46] I still have an idea for a new warrior [16:46] hi sf [16:46] how are u? [16:46] I'll have to move that cable somewhere I can't trip over it :( [16:46] lol [16:47] I am fine thanks. How are you are where have you been lately? :) [16:47] very busy at work the past weeks [16:48] :( [16:49] and re-discovered one of my favourit games: cs [16:49] cs? [16:49] counterstrike [16:49] Not my kind of game :) [16:50] ;-) [16:50] I played that a long time ago :) [16:50] but I prefer strategies [16:50] and adventures [16:50] sf: what's your favorite game? [16:51] I haven't got any games from the last few years [16:51] Games like Simon the Sorcerer, Hand of Fate, Broken Sword [16:52] Point and click adventure might be the right name [16:52] ummm, didn't know any of these games :-/ [16:52] I like the original Settlers [16:52] I used to play it on the Amiga [16:52] I only played SettlersIII [16:53] I also like the Need for Speed series [16:53] hahahaha, racing games and ego shooters ;-) [16:54] Nenad: when are you making a new Core Explorer? [16:55] Fizmo: when are you making a new Core Warrior? [16:55] :P [16:55] soon [16:55] :) [16:55] I thought that Roy will make one while I was gone [16:55] did he? [16:56] issue 2 is the latest [16:56] :( [16:56] I'll try making one this weekend [16:56] :) [16:56] I'll race you to have N [16:56] W done first [16:58] sf: I don't know :-( [16:58] :( [16:59] Neo is busy so I'll have to pester John :) [16:59] heya fizzer.. [16:59] dont go nowhere :) [16:59] I'll bbiaw [17:06] hi bvowk [17:06] :-) [17:20] * asw waves to all [17:20] hi :) [17:20] Hi asw [17:20] Hi asw [17:21] any progress with qcw? [17:22] Chris: please can I have a link from "Interesting Home Pages" :) [17:25] sure :) [17:26] Thanks [17:26] My pagerank is only 3 :( [17:27] I just need to pull myself together to update my page :-/ [17:27] sf: so, make new pages that will point to your page :) [17:28] Or you could make a new page (about corewar) and point to my page :) [17:28] I was about to do that, but I was out of time when I was at the end of making a site... [17:29] so I gave up... I'll do it in the summer [17:29] I have to go now [17:29] * sf waves [17:29] * Fizmo waves [17:29] * Nenad waves [17:29] * willvarfa waves [17:29] * Fizmo extra waves to bvowk [17:30] favouratism [17:30] MSG: [17:30] (that looks like I spelt it wrong) [17:30] *favoritism [17:30] itism iirc [17:31] Icarus: are you new to corewar? [17:31] or a player from the past? [17:31] I've never 'played', I've know about it for 5 years or so and always thought it looked pretty cool [17:32] so I'm a complete novice [17:32] Interesting. Bvowk managed to evolve himself to the top of the nano hill in less than 7 hours after it opened [17:32] Icarus: Oh. Did you read the first two CoreExplorer issues? ... or any of the tutorials, for that matter? [17:32] uh, don't think so [17:33] I've read several 'beginner's guides' to CoreWar [17:33] but not come across CoreExplorer [17:33] it is a beginners magazine, that "will" be published on regular bases [17:34] http://corewar.co.uk/ce001.txt [17:34] Hmm. Issue 1, first paragraph "This time, we're going to discuss the basics of silk [17:34] and ce002.txt [17:34] in other words, I'll try making issues every couple of weeks [17:34] engine for replication and multiprocessing in papers" [17:34] :n [17:34] sf: stop bragging for me.. I'm insufferable enough as is. [17:34] cool [17:34] Hey Bvowk [17:34] Was Pascal using CCAI to evolve too? [17:40] I've got to go now and read some more about neural networks... see you later, guys! [17:41] * Nenad waves [17:41] * sf waves [17:41] MSG: [18:01] MSG: Quit: Bersirc 2.2, for external use only. [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [18:01] * asw Fizmo - lots of new progress with qcw. You'll here more about it soon! [18:01] * asw mutters to himself [18:02] * asw bvowk have a minute to hear about our cluster rollout plan? [18:04] cluster rollout? [18:04] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [18:05] yeah. but it's still secret shhh don't tell. [18:05] (well it's not especially secret at all.) [18:09] whats the kit? [18:35] hey asw [18:47] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [18:48] :) [18:52] hey fluffy [18:52] hey bvowk, nice to see you :-) [18:52] Thanks again for your computrons [18:53] but still need time to work through all the data ... [19:04] err [19:04] oh [19:05] www.python.org has a new design ... I like it [19:21] there is a slight update to blossom at redcoder.sourceforge.net/transfer that now compiles with gcc-4.0; the DMARS is still a serial copy of exhaust, but the API is there... [19:21] * willvarfa waves [19:21] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [19:23] * asw waves [19:25] Join: sascha joined #corewars [19:25] hi2all [19:34] he [19:35] hi [19:38] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:55] Join: sascha joined #corewars [19:59] Join: Neogryzor joined #corewars [20:00] hey [20:00] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:04] i'm just in a quick visit to see what's going on [20:10] Join: Metcalf joined #corewars [20:10] Hi [20:10] Hi John [20:10] metcalf! [20:12] Hi Bvowk, Neo [20:16] hi all [20:16] Hi Fiveop [20:16] hmm ... it seems, that whenever I'm not at my computer, everybody happily chats [20:16] Hi everybody [20:16] hi [20:17] Hi Fluffy [20:20] Does anybody know, who is in charge of the pmars source code? [20:21] don't look there! that way lies madness! [20:21] you got a patch? [20:22] I don't have a patch [20:22] Who's lurking outside the channel? :-) [20:22] 13 users but only 12 here [20:22] I even don't understand how it works [20:23] But the corrected parser, that I've got from HWMNBM is quite nice and should be added to the source code [20:24] I think he who asked not be mentioned was the last person to tweak the code [20:24] might be asw tho [20:25] hmm ... at least now better understand, what pmars' parser does and what not [20:25] *I [20:26] pmars is kinda scary to work on .. [20:26] too much ifdef [20:26] and I'm sure some of the older platforms could/should be pulled out [20:26] Yes, that's why I've decided to work on a pure-Python parser for PyCorewar instead of a C-version [20:27] And at the moment I can't think of any reason not to keep it pure-python [20:28] Or do you know any application, where you have to worry about the speed of the parser? [20:28] Fluffy: yes. [20:29] just evolvers [20:29] really, why? [20:29] but if you're silly enough to run an evolver that requires parsing and reading off disk every time.. [20:29] the disk latency is bigger than the parsing lag tho [20:29] Fluffy: using a parser to validate the syntax for example :) [20:30] brx: But you would do that only once, when the evolver starts [20:30] brx: ... so it shouldn't be an issue. Or do I miss sth.? [20:31] bvowk: but only for a parser written in C. My current version can parse about 10 94nop-warriors/sec [20:34] Fluffy: if you were using your parser solely to do what I said of course. [20:34] :) [20:35] Fluffy: to be clear, I don't see a problem with a pure python parser :) [20:35] bvowk - I suppose I am maintaining pmars now. [20:36] asw: And when will you know it for sure? ;-) [20:36] oh i'm maintaning the code for sure. [20:36] asw: I'll prepare you a todo list :-P [20:36] asw: -6 switch for ICWS'86 compatiblity! [20:36] :-) [20:36] i have wanted to spend more time on it. What's really needed, imho, is a exhaustive test suite so that we don't mess up old warriors. [20:36] hahaha [20:37] asw: You should ask HWMNBM for the improved parser [20:37] HWMNBM? [20:37] He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Mentioned [20:37] ask bvowk for specifics ;-) [20:37] i really don't have time to do significant code modification but I'm willing to invest time in a test suite so that we know whatever is done doesn't introduce subtle changes [20:37] HWMNBM = Oversby's co-author of Son of Vain [20:38] And if this does turn out to be "significant" work, I'm still willing to do it. I don't think we should muck with the code without it. [20:38] asw: what should the testsuite do? [20:38] asw: I only ask, because I'm workng on one for PyCorewar [20:38] A test suite for the simulator shouldn't be too hard [20:38] humm [20:39] But how to you make a test suite for the parser? :-( [20:39] Metcalf: parse the warrior and output the parsed results [20:39] Metcalf: and check everything by hand [20:39] Koenigstuhl [20:39] yes :) [20:40] Basically we could agree that whatever changes get checked in they should not break results from Koenigstuhl [20:40] Fluffy: you don't have to check manually. [20:41] Fluffy: yes, i know. I only check, if there is difference to current pMARS output ;- [20:41] ) [20:41] errr [20:41] Fluffy->brx [20:41] stupid me [20:41] Pluffy: debug yoursef [20:42] who's Pluffy? ;-) [20:43] Metcalf: Why've you asked about ICWS'86 compatibility? [20:43] Metcalf: Do you have special plans? [20:44] He is just odd :) [20:45] Fluffy because it's missing and it wouldn't be too hard to implement [20:46] Adjusting the SPL would be trickiest [20:46] Join: me joined #corewars [20:46] Hi me [20:46] Nick Change: me changed nick to Fluff1 [20:46] * Fluff1 kicks his computer [20:46] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [20:47] * Neogryzor kicks Fluffy's computer to help [20:47] Nick Change: Fluff1 changed nick to Fluffy [20:47] Thanks Neogryzor :) [20:48] Metcalf: How many warriors according to '86 rules exist? [20:49] If there aren't any there is no point in implementing this ruleset [20:52] Everything written before 1990 [20:52] Metcalf: Yes, but how many warriors are know (i.e. published) from this time? [20:52] *known [20:53] about 150 [20:53] Though more than half will work with 88 rules [20:53] I think most of the problems are caused by spl, add and sub [20:54] hmm ... sounds interesting [20:54] and PyCorewar already has a MARS for '88 rules. shouldn't be too hard to adjust it to '86 rules [20:55] As far as I recall sub and add only work as sub.b and add.b [20:55] does it have a standard? [20:55] And spl will spawn the process *before* the process which executes it in the process queue [20:55] Yes [20:55] URL? [20:55] Not online as far as I know [20:56] But I have a paper copy! [20:56] * Fluffy sighs [20:58] Fluffy: http://solace.is-a-geek.org/rp/bws is all you need to give ratpoison workspace and workspace local framelayout ring support [20:58] Part: bvowk left #corewars [20:59] brx: ??? [21:10] I've just uploaded my current version of PyCorewar [21:11] it includes a lot of tests for the parser, but is quite a mess at the moment [21:12] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/pycorewar/download/pycorewar-0.2.0.dev-20060307.tar.bz2 [21:17] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:18] Join: bvowk joined #corewars [21:18] Welcome back Computron [21:21] heh [21:21] bvowk: How about setting up a "small" pile of computers for general use for cw-purposes? [21:21] We could all access it every time :-) [21:22] And you don't need to worry about that [21:22] say ... 100 - 500 computers [21:22] :-) [21:22] What do you say? [21:23] heh [21:23] And I think, that a lot of people would second my proposal :-) [21:23] well.. I don't know about everyone.. but I have some personal ones I might be willing to share [21:23] 100 .. 500? [21:23] yes, because I'm bruce wayne IRL. [21:24] lol [21:25] In that case I'd like to change my proposal [21:25] heh [21:25] How about sending me 1% of currently available cash? [21:25] lol [21:25] I could probably live with 0.1% as well [21:26] I have 6 toy machines I've let people use in the past tho [21:27] why do you need so many? [21:27] (or want) :) [21:27] :) [21:27] Taking over tiny and 94nop [21:27] you're not my wife, so I don't have to answer that. [21:28] but I've got alot of computationally intensive projects.. [21:28] lol :) I meant Fluffy... but I know the feeling... :( [21:28] corewars is just one of several [21:28] but don't tell now, that you are running seti@home [21:29] I did on mitzi for a while.. [21:29] I run gimps as back fill jobs [21:29] for when I'm not running much.. [21:30] hmm ... mitzi [21:30] sorry.. mitzi = big sun box of doom [21:30] currently 12 CPU's 12GB of memory [21:30] blimey [21:31] it would be 14/14, but we lost a board and I haven't found one I felt like picking up on ebay yet [21:31] I had on origin 2000 once (8 CPUs) which loved seti@home, but I don't have that any more :( [21:31] bvowk: I've seen the lovly pictures of mitzi on your homepage [21:32] couldn't pay the power? [21:32] we were going to get an E10K, as I found a place with enough cooling and the 30A service.. [21:33] but I realized it would cost me 1200$/mo to power it.. [21:33] yeah, and couldn't move it when I moved out of university :) [21:33] hehe, the power was rather silly [21:33] although to buy it over the 4500 we got the difference wasn't much for like 5x more cpus [21:34] :) [21:34] ooh. time for dinner. [21:34] laters / goodnight all [21:35] bvowk: Did you buy mitzi just for fun? [21:35] yeah [21:35] sometimes its nice to have a box with 12GB of memory [21:36] you don't need to tell [21:36] I'm already depressed [21:36] heh [21:36] about 7 years ago I had a 5 boxes just like your dual celery [21:38] at home? [21:38] yeah.. they were at home then.. [21:38] power rates were much lower :( [21:38] I would never be allowed to do that [21:38] to noisy [21:38] takes to much space [21:38] my computer room kept blowing breakers.. and it made the room unbearably hot. [21:39] I live in canada tho.. [21:39] I know [21:39] where I grew up, there was nobody around me at night for a very very long ways. [21:39] I've aleady considered to built a big case [21:39] where I could fit in serveral boards [21:40] its very hard to keep that sort of thing cool [21:40] the fans get noisy [21:41] and most non industrial spaces dont have enough airflow designed in to actually have that heat vented [21:41] so you'll need floor fans or something [21:42] First I need a permission to do it ;-) [21:42] its easier to ask forgiveness :) [21:42] Otherwise I'll be killed by [21:43] by a very beautiful person [21:43] well. you need to do what I did, and start a business :) [21:44] then you can put your computers in your office.. and when she's sick of not seeing you because you're in the office. .you'll get to bring them home. [21:44] hehe [21:45] And mitzi? [21:45] at home or at work? [21:46] heh.. [21:46] its at work [21:46] mitzi is *WAY*WAY*WAY* too loud [21:46] and hot [21:46] well.. the scsi array is the really loud part actually.. [21:46] mitzi isn't terrifically loud without that.. [21:46] i thought women were best when hot [21:47] only up until they start causing burns.. [21:47] stand infront of mitzi too long and I'm sure you'd start to blister [21:47] Mizcu: But you want them to silent, too! [21:47] *be [21:47] yes, thats a fault hard to fix in them with a long-term solution [21:49] hmm ... maybe I should delete today's log file [21:49] jens.. I'm telling your lady about that comment! [21:50] unless you send me 50% of your current free capital! [21:50] muhahaha! [21:50] bvowk: ok [21:50] bvowk: 50 % of 0 is still 0 [21:50] what Canadian $ or US-$? [21:50] heh [21:50] if your capital is really that low, I'm taking your kidneys. [21:51] both? [21:51] if you haven't been doing anything with them so you're at 0 networth, damn straight! [21:52] I could lend you my left eye? [21:52] doesn't sell so well on the open market [21:53] I've been told, that I have lovely eyes [21:53] ... several years ago [21:53] ... once [21:53] that was before you started with computers right? :) [21:53] now they're squinty, and have dark shadows under them. [21:53] (I'm just teasing) [21:53] "omg! how did you know?!" [21:53] no, actually I've been told while sitting next to my first computer [21:54] err [21:54] first computer? [21:54] omg! how did you know?! [21:55] KC 85/4 [21:55] heh [21:55] 2 MHz [21:55] 64 kbyte RAM [21:55]