[00:02] * sascha waves [00:02] Part: sascha left #corewars [00:13] MSG: [00:23] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:43] MSG: Quit: Physical Wreck IRC webscript: http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [EOF] [00:47] Join: John joined #corewars [01:14] MSG: Quit: humhum [08:25] Join: Roy joined #corewars [08:37] Join: anonymous joined #corewars [08:38] :) [08:39] Hello [08:41] Part: anonymous left #corewars [10:17] Join: anonymous joined #corewars [10:17] Brxy Brxy? [10:18] hello [10:25] HELLO [10:25] Part: anonymous left #corewars [11:45] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [11:53] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [11:59] heh, todays userfriendly [12:02] Join: anonymous joined #corewars [12:03] :) [12:12] where be mister brx [12:22] Part: anonymous left #corewars [14:37] MSG: [14:42] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [14:43] hey nenad? [14:43] Hi! :) [14:43] heh [14:43] I though you'd just popped in.. but I've got no timestamps here :) [14:43] :) [14:44] how's it going? doing anything exciting? [14:44] well, began reading an interesting book about mathematics in nature and mathematical modelling.. [14:44] title? [14:45] reading about neural networks, playing ches, listening to music, preparing for my birthday on sunday... [14:45] title? [14:45] just a sec. [14:45] thats cool.. I've been playing alot of chess lately.. [14:45] against my co-workers and crafty.. [14:45] crafty makes my ego hurt.. [14:46] John A. Adam: Mathematics In Nature ; Modeling Patterns in the Natural World [14:46] bvowk: crafty? [14:46] especially when you look at the log and it decided on a move in 0.01 of a second, and then it spent another 30 seconds looking for better ways to crush me.. [14:46] how's the book Nenad? [14:46] looks good. [14:46] crafty is a nice chess program for unix [14:46] haven't read much yet [14:47] that books on my "I should read it when I get the chance list" [14:47] bvowk: well, join SchemingMind.com and we can play corespondence chess against each other :) [14:48] nenad: whats your rating? [14:48] ~2180 [14:48] not bad [14:48] Nenad: can you post the isbn? [14:48] isbn? [14:48] I think I'm about 2050 somewhere [14:49] http://www.cis.uab.edu/info/faculty/hyatt/hyatt.html <-- about crafty [14:49] Nenad: the number on the back [14:50] something like 0-124234-234234-234234 (but only ten numbers long ;)) [14:50] International Standard Book Number [14:50] ISBN 0-691-11429-3 [14:50] thanks [14:52] so, you're satisfied with crafty? [14:52] I've got this little chess widget for my palm, its kinda fun, but it plays insanely aggressive chess... likely because the 200Mhz processor in the palm is kinda limiting to the program, so it tries to drop the piece count as quickly as it can.. [14:53] :) [14:53] yeah, on my dual O248 and my A64 x2 workstations it kicks my ass with insane ease [14:54] its pretty crushing when you sit and think for like 20 minutes to come up with what you think is the perfect plan, only to realize that crafty saw it all coming, and had the perfect comeback.. [14:54] on the other hand, its been very educational :) [14:54] well, we're no match for their computation power [14:54] I've had much better games with my co-workers lately.. [14:55] and I've got a few play styles I can work with now to throw them off :) [14:55] Join: anonymous joined #corewars [14:56] :) I don't have that many friends that like chess. Most of them have their chess skills at approximately 1600 level, so I can beat them easily. Most of my good games I play over the internet. [14:56] nenad: well, they keep telling us that computers aren't as good at chess as humans are.. I'm not so sure :) [14:56] humans still have some small advantage [14:56] nenad: well, we can't play computer games anymore... we were playing unreal tourny the other day, and they all quit after they saw "Satanic is godlike" about 4 times.. [14:57] hi [14:57] so its gotta be chess :) [14:57] we can more easily come up with long-term plans and strategies. [14:57] :) [14:57] Hi, Anonymous. [14:58] (and you can subst unreal for quake3, doom3, CS, and TA) [14:58] nENAD HI [14:58] nenad: are you nenad on the chess site? [14:58] dude.. its B1FF [14:58] :) [14:58] yes, I am [14:58] B1FF? [14:59] nevermind [14:59] so you have any applications for your NN's or just reading for fun? [15:00] it's a university course in this semester [15:00] ahh. [15:00] but it is also fun [15:00] you're 4th year now right? [15:00] 3rd? [15:00] 3rd [15:00] nice.. [15:00] the funny thing is - I'm the only one listening to that course [15:01] so I'm not listening to it, actually :) The professor gave me a book to read, instead [15:01] and I'll have to make a neural network and apply it to solve some problem, as an exam [15:05] brx be the supreme brx [15:08] Join: katafutr joined #corewars [15:09] Heyhey [15:09] hello [15:10] hi [15:11] anonymous, die away [15:12] * anonymous bows [15:13] Nick Change: katafutr changed nick to brx [15:14] Part: brx left #corewars [15:14] Join: brx joined #corewars [15:15] Hello [15:15] Part: anonymous left #corewars [15:16] Join: emiclock joined #corewars [15:16] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [15:17] why do ye keep pestering us, ye devil! [15:17] not you, Fluffy [15:17] I know :) [15:17] Brx! [15:17] Hi everybody :) [15:17] Wow :) [15:17] Hi [15:17] damn.. [15:17] we need ops [15:17] Hello [15:18] go away, emiclock [15:18] I hate you emiclock [15:18] Hello [15:18] go kill yourself [15:18] Seems, that there is no other way than to ignore it [15:18] aww brx, you so mean :( ;) [15:20] bvowk: On average PyCorewar's '94nop-MARS is now faster than exhaust [15:21] fluffy: how long did that take you? [15:21] 10 minutes [15:21] lol [15:21] what'd you do? [15:21] * Nenad waves [15:21] handled the 12 most common instructions (opcode/modifier/amode/bmode) separately [15:21] * emiclock juggles grease [15:21] * Fluffy waves to Nenad [15:21] heh [15:21] MSG: [15:21] * emiclock juggles grease [15:21] thats why you were looking for wils opcode stats [15:21] I've simply taken willvarfa's list [15:21] someone should mirror those [15:22] But probably I'll make my own (for the different hills) [15:22] how much faster you think you can make it? :) [15:23] at last as fast as exmars/exhaust-ma [15:23] cool.. [15:23] with are about twice as fast as pmars [15:23] well.. I'll be likely playing with your code today then :) [15:23] But that's only because their sources are available [15:23] Fluffy, taken the list and then what? [15:23] :) [15:23] bvowk: I'll upload the most current version later today [15:24] brx: willvarfa has made a list of the most common instructions [15:24] brx: The first version of PyCorewar switched on opcode/modifier [15:24] brx: Now I switch on opcode/modifier/amode/bmode for the 12 most common instructions [15:24] and on opcode/modifier for the rest [15:25] But there are still cases, where I'm slightly slower than exhaust [15:25] that's probably because theses fights don't use those 12 insns often [15:28] MSG: Excess Flood [15:28] Join: katafutr joined #corewars [15:28] :) [15:28] Part: katafutr left #corewars [15:29] Join: brx joined #corewars [15:29] hmm [15:30] :) [15:30] 16:30:19 fhgfkj [15:30] 16:30:22 error - unknown command [15:30] please help me break it [15:30] hi [15:31] * emiclock loves brx [15:32] * brx loves emiclock [15:32] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/pycorewar/download/pycorewar-0.2.0.dev-20060314.tar.bz2 [15:32] :) [15:32] Heyhey [15:32] about 840 kiB [15:33] emiclock says emiclock like be a* [15:33] overflow [15:33] overflow [15:33] hehehe [15:33] yay [15:34] I wonder if I did it [15:34] overflow [15:34] or just an accident [15:34] :) [15:34] I've been talking to it but not doing anything much...mebbe it doesn't like people talking ;) [15:34] Bot, where [15:34] ooh [15:35] Where be brx [15:35] Oh, brx [15:35] Wow [15:35] here my love [15:35] I just got "error - unknown error" [15:35] me loves brx [15:35] ... [15:35] Crikey! [15:35] me, too [15:35] and "overflow" [15:35] :) [15:35] I once got wrong format message [15:35] :o [15:36] :D [15:36] what was that from? [15:36] Magic cookies [15:36] Tingo [15:37] 6:37:05 error - unknown error [15:37] 16:37:07 [10213] [15:37] 16:37:09 error - unknown error [15:37] interesting [15:37] now I remember it once showed me current date/time [15:39] 16:39:22 overflow [15:39] 16:39:24 ((brx) ((brx) (nul)) [15:40] I have to go [15:40] If I can improved PyCorewar further today, I'll post a link to the updated version [15:40] * Fluffy waves [15:40] MSG: Quit: dat.f # 1, < 1 [15:41] brx, brx, brx dance with me [15:43] * emiclock wonders [15:43] Hello [15:44] Nick Change: brx changed nick to anonymous [15:46] breakfast for brx [15:46] please be brx [15:46] please [15:50] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [15:52] :) [15:54] brx ate the magic cookies [15:54] brx! 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[17:22] its funny :) [17:23] ok.. you're not bossy to me :) [17:25] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [17:25] Hi Fluff [17:25] :) [17:26] link broken :( [17:26] which? [17:26] no its not... [17:27] http://www.geocities.com/corewar3039/ircstats.htm is broken [17:27] And I don't know what to do with a shoutcast playlist :( [17:28] I'm just catching up! [17:28] bvowk: your link works fine, read up to lemon juice [17:29] :) [17:29] My desk is on a slope [17:30] oh? [17:32] I've not lost a game of chess since I was in primary school :P [17:32] have you played any? [17:32] :) [17:32] * bvowk ducks [17:33] Yes I've played [17:35] do you know your rating? [17:35] bvowk: log_guy could be made to filter out names on a list [17:35] Do you something like this is worth trying [17:35] yeah, except then that irritating person would just rotate names, or use names of people we don't want to filter [17:36] or all of the above.. [17:37] You could filter anyone who joins from that IP [17:38] they'll just use another [17:38] annoying people on IRC is a difficult problem, because its hard to ignore them, but really, its the only way to get them to go away [17:39] Ok, no-one should respond [17:39] bvowk: maybe we should put a short notice about using /ignore in the topic :) [17:39] Did we ought to put that in the topic? [17:40] sf: I'm just kidding [17:40] no.. that would give them validation that they're irritating us [17:43] * bvowk cracks the whip at fluffy.. I need faster mars! [17:44] I've already uploaded the most current version of PyCorewar [17:44] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/pycorewar/download/pycorewar-0.2.0.dev-20060314.tar.bz2 [17:44] and it will become faster over the next days [17:45] it is already faster than exhaust [17:46] bvowk: and? [17:47] and? [17:47] I've expected you to have downloaded and installed it by now :) [17:47] You need to set your evolver going before you can benefit from a faster mars bvowk [17:47] and run the testsuite and benchmark [17:48] Set it going now instead of later and you'll benefit from extra time too [17:49] its coming [17:49] Do as you're told bvowk! [17:50] Make different node evolve for different hills and auto submit the code. [17:50] Allow code to migrate from one node to another. [17:51] :) [17:51] sf: You've forgotten the most important thing! [17:51] stop doing that. [17:51] you're giving away my new code ideas :P [17:51] I published first, my idea :P [17:52] My timestamp is 1 min before your false claim! [17:52] lol [17:52] bah.. its all about the code.. and mine will be done sooner! [17:53] sf: Don't forget, that it is quite easy to change the logs :) [17:53] It's all about the idea [17:53] ever heard of software & algorithm patents bvowk?! [17:54] * sf points the internet archiver at the logs now [17:54] bah.. those are for those silly yanks who can't come up with a good idea to save their lives (I mean, look at their president!), so they've gotta put together something like that to keep their self-esteems up. [17:54] the rest of us look at implementations! [17:56] bvowk: As far as I understand it, they keep their self-esteem up by repeating "U S A" over and over again ;-) [17:56] heh [17:56] well.. there's that too.. and getting morally outraged about television [17:58] I hate the way English people are portrayed in American files [17:58] *films [17:58] well if you weren't so snooty they wouldn't do that! [17:58] * bvowk ducks and runs before he gets beaten! [17:58] * sf kicks bvowk [17:58] hehe [17:59] Fluffy I hope your are not laughing a bvowks comment [17:59] * sf prepares to kick Fluff just in case [17:59] sf: I'm stupid enough to laugh about everything [17:59] * sf kicks bvowk again [17:59] * Fluffy runs away [18:00] Fluff: ok, I respect ou for our stupidit [18:00] at least you get to be the villians [18:00] sf: YAY! [18:00] we're always the nice people who help out [18:00] or those funny hockey playing guys from the north [18:01] Aren't you American? [18:01] Isn't Alaska one of the most recently added states? [18:01] no.. I'm canadian [18:01] bvowk: Maybe you'll soon be the people, how will be invaded next [18:02] That's part of America isn't it? [18:02] bvowk: Any reason to write it lower case? [18:02] maybe.. we keep giving the US president bad press.. [18:02] before long they'll be "accidently" bombing the CBC and toppling Mr Harpers new "regieme" [18:02] fluffy: I'm just a lower case kinda guy. [18:05] ... with tatoos [18:05] what does that have to do with lower case? [18:05] let's invade canada! [18:05] What are you tatoos of bvowk? [18:05] fiveop: Canada has already been invaded! [18:05] when? by whom? [18:05] good luck fiveop, its fscking cold! [18:05] Canada? why not invade a warmed state? [18:05] fiveop: South partk [18:06] Florida [18:06] oh [18:06] sf: canada isn't a state ... [18:06] it was apparently -60C in sask not too long ago [18:06] at least not one like florida :P [18:06] thats *COLD* [18:06] we've only got down to -17C around here [18:06] global warming wouldn't be an issue if it got much worse that that.. we could just store the CO2 in big blocks in northern canada [18:07] tonight was -9C [18:07] hehe [18:08] are you wearing a tshirt in -9C fiveop? [18:08] of course not :P [18:08] don't laugh... [18:08] I'm quite often out in a tshirt when its -9C in the winter :) [18:09] especially if I'm working hard [18:09] thats a damn nice day! [18:09] (as long as its not windy.. then its not pleasant) [18:09] Well I guess you've got some more 'natural insulation' :P [18:09] heh [18:10] its not really that.. you build up brown fat when you live in a cold climate.. [18:10] when I was younger I used to work outside all winter.. [18:10] brown fat? [18:10] yeah.. the fat that contains mitocondria, so it can burn the fat it holds to keep you warm [18:11] so its not so bad to be cold.. now.. being hot.. [18:11] that kills me [18:11] 25+C and I'm jello [18:11] Well I've got hardly any fat ... so there won't be any diffrences I guess [18:11] 25C? [18:11] yeah.. [18:11] just above room temp :) [18:11] it's winter [18:11] even in canada should be winter [18:12] I'm talking about summer time.. [18:12] oh [18:12] sometimes it hits 35C here.. [18:12] it usually doesn't go much above 25C [18:12] that's the maximum we've got here to (ca.) [18:12] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:12] but I seriously die then [18:13] Join: sf joined #corewars [18:13] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=canada [18:13] It says Canada is part of America [18:13] of course [18:13] heh [18:13] america is a continent [18:13] part of the americas! [18:13] You think I'll believe anything [18:13] of course [18:13] :P [18:18] * bvowk sells sf a bridge [18:19] Bridge? [18:20] Do you think I'm stupid? [18:20] Do you accept paypal? :) [18:20] Is it a toll bridge? If it is I'm in [18:25] let's invade canada! [18:25] Leave canada alone fiveop [18:25] We own it! [18:27] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:38] MSG: Quit: leaving [18:51] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [19:22] Join: sascha joined #corewars [19:23] Hey, two of my warrios in top4 of 94nop... [19:33] congrats :) [19:42] Join: Roy joined #corewars [19:42] hiya [19:43] Hi [19:55] hey john [20:00] Hi Bvowk [20:11] Do you know what would be really handy in a Mars? [20:11] A feature to terminate a battle early given specific conditions and scale the results [20:11] E.g. if you're optimizing and you're running a benchmark with 1000 rounds, it could stop after 20 rounds if the candidate isn't doing very well [20:13] John, 1000/20 rounds iss a little bit too fantastic, but 1000/100 would be nice. [20:13] If it lost all 20 though :-) [20:13] still doesnt mean it won't lose the rest [20:14] Make optimizing much quicker [20:14] John: If it looses a lot of fights, it probably suicides [20:14] I know, but you get the general idea [20:15] Don't waste processor time on something which has performed badly so far [20:16] why don't you run a quick test then? [20:16] I run a very quick validation round like 5 rounds against something simple [20:19] I automatically order my benchmark by how my candidates are performing against it, worst first [20:19] Then abort the entire benchmark if the score against an individual opponent isn't good enough [20:21] maybe your first one should have a 5 round test then [20:21] keeps the suicides out [20:22] I'm still calling pmars from a gwbasic program by the way! [20:23] eww [20:23] I thought you'd be at least windows perl by now [20:24] All the Perl stuff I wrote is stuck on my old hdd :-( [20:25] But John, that stopping isn't that really work of the smart optimizer instead of smart mars (?) [20:26] Should make the mars smart as well as the optimizer [20:26] Still I think that option is more something that should be located in a optimizer instead of in a mars [20:27] You have to put it somewhere, and I think optimizer is a much clearer choice [20:27] How is the speed going Fluffy? [20:28] it is already quite fast [20:28] but will be fast soon [20:29] Roy: You are using Windows, right? [20:29] Yeah [20:30] Want me to test it..? [20:30] I still think the mars ought to be able to simultaneously evaluate all possible starting positions [20:30] Using sliding core windows [20:30] Roy: You can download and it it, but I would be surprised, if it works out of the box [20:57] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [20:57] Hi Nenad! [20:57] Hi Nenad [20:57] Hi! [20:58] Hello Nenad [20:59] a lot of people here, it seems :) [21:03] but nobody says sth. [21:04] ... I can't remember the time when I had the worse internet connection than now. I can't open a single web page. The only thing that's able to function is mIRC... depressing... [21:05] why is that? [21:06] Nenad: But don't tell me, that you are timing out now ;-) [21:07] Is your email working Nenad [21:07] Are there any new information about the meeting in Netherland that Roy wanted to organize? Or is it too soon to set the date now? [21:08] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [21:08] :-( [21:10] Still too soon to set the exect date [21:11] I knew it [21:11] Probably first weekend of august [21:16] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [21:17] welcome back :) [21:21] Join: DrewHK joined #corewars [21:21] :) [21:22] hi [21:23] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [21:30] Hi Drew [21:43] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [21:44] ... [21:44] Are you still unable to use the web Nenad? [21:44] it seems that it works now [21:45] :) [21:45] Oh, good :-) [21:46] I'm thinking of making CE3 about imps [21:46] because all of the later topics will have examples with antiimp bombs in them, so... [21:46] Don't forget to include the new HighTechImps!! [21:46] ? [21:46] Ask Roy, he knows all about them! [21:47] I was "corewar asleep" for about 3 months, so I'm a little uninformed [21:47] btw, I'll probably do some corewar-related stuff as a project for one of my university courses [21:48] Remember to put the project online afterwards ;-) [21:49] Nenad: use my text about clears! :P [21:50] :) I've enrolled in a data mining course. The exam is about programming some assignment related to the topic. So, I suggested today to make some programmes for warrior classification and clustering (which will probably help people with evolvers to sort their evolved warriors according to types (if I make it right)) [21:51] Nenad: you should talk to willvarfa [21:51] And also he who should not be named [21:52] John: I think, the correct term is "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named" [21:53] also, one of the teaching assistants was interested to hear something about corewar, so maybe I'll be giving that lecture after all :) [21:53] :P [21:53] We need to vary the term, if it's fixed it can become a google search term [21:53] Nenad: get someone to video it :-) [21:53] John: ok [21:54] John: Why not call him Voldemort? ;-) [21:54] Have you read Harry Potter, or seen the films? [21:54] I read them [21:54] * John too [21:54] the last book within 20 hours after publication [21:55] I saw the films... [21:55] :-( [21:55] about 42 hours for me after publication [21:56] I was working the two days after it was published [21:56] I had to finish one part of dune before reading the last book :P [21:57] fiveop: which part? [21:57] dunno anymore [21:57] have read all six around that time [21:58] you should read the other parts, too [21:58] the ones written by his son [22:01] * Roy knows nothing about highTechImps... [22:02] Roy: You've sent several to 94nop! [22:03] I did..? [22:03] Hey, you are not Roy! [22:03] Who are you? [22:03] I am... the IMPOSTOR! [22:04] omg! [22:04] (notice the imp ;-)) [22:04] * Roy really likes the Electric Six Interlude 1 'song' :-) [22:04] I've not heard that [22:05] I know some of their others [22:05] Its on the CD, very silly... [22:05] Just a stupid interlude, but so silly it becomes funny ;) [22:12] * sascha waves [22:12] Part: sascha left #corewars [22:15] * Nenad waves to Sascha [22:23] time to get some sleep [22:23] * Fluffy waves [22:23] MSG: Quit: dat.f # 1, < 1 [22:25] * Nenad waves to Jens [22:41] Join: John_ joined #corewars [22:41] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:45] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:46] MSG: [22:56] MSG: [22:59] hrm. [22:59] * bvowk wonders if met is still about [23:04] okay, i have to go now [23:04] MSG: Quit: read Lucky Luke [23:12] MSG: Quit: humhum [23:15] www.math.ualberta.ca/~bvowk/files/exmars-streams-0.02.tgz [23:16] if anyone wants to play with it.. [23:16] he who must not be mentioned (by name) will compile me up a windowsy version tommorrow [23:16] -c 0 works, -r 0 doesn't and -P is mentioned in the cmdline [23:58] MSG: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+ssfe