[05:21] The Root of all evil is 25.8068 [08:37] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [09:42] All evil is therefore 665.99092624? [09:45] Join: Roy joined #corewars [11:50] JM: Where you talking about A Scanner Darkly some time ago? [11:50] Just saw the upcomming movie's trailer... looks pretty erhm...odd :) [12:18] MSG: [15:52] Join: song[exe] joined #corewars [15:55] Join: simple joined #corewars [15:55] Hi [15:55] song[exe]: are you new here? [15:57] Haha yes [15:57] Are you learning redcode? [15:57] Someone just pointed me to this channel [15:57] Oh :-) [15:58] Well, I havent acutally "learned" anything yet [15:58] Well if you want help just ask [15:58] I'm still trying to figure out what this game is acutally...about [15:58] If someone isn't here to help they'll probably reply later [15:58] and by acutally, I mean actually [15:58] Okay [15:59] Logs are here http://www.koth.org/irc-logs/ [15:59] Ah okay [15:59] Thanks [15:59] Have you found some beginners guides? [15:59] Yes. [15:59] I have one in front of me [15:59] :-) [16:00] I just decided to come here and idle for now [16:01] It's been quiet here for about a week. [16:01] I think everyone is on holiday, or busy [16:02] Are there normally more peopl ehere [16:02] Topic Change: song[exe] sets topic: asd [16:02] Topic Change: song[exe] sets topic: http://www.corewar.info - http://www.corewar.co.uk - http://www.koth.org [16:03] Just wanted to see if I could actually do that... [16:03] Suprised I could [16:04] There are up to about 16 people here. [16:04] we have a slight op-crisis on this channel [16:04] Though only about max 8 chatting at once [16:04] whenever we get one, they get lost in about 2 weeks [16:05] so we took +t off last time the server booted [16:07] haha okay [16:07] There's no owner of this channel? [16:07] But whenever you get a question about redcode/corewars, feel free to ask me, or anyone else and i/we are glad to answer [16:07] Not really. Johnkw hosts the server but he is almots conpletely inactive [16:07] Thanks :P [16:07] Ah okay [16:31] When will we get a multiWarrior magazine [16:31] I like the multi hill (-: [16:38] MSG: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different [17:16] Join: Roy joined #corewars [17:17] hi r [17:21] hiya [17:21] man.. I posted my CV on a website today, got around 20 calls from companies that are intrested :| [17:22] Offering me a car/laptop/phone :-) [17:27] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [17:27] hi [17:28] hi [17:28] back now in business [17:28] ;-) [17:28] preparing now rf25 [17:28] Cool [17:29] Can you give us a little hint what its going to be about..? [17:30] I now prepare the posting for r.g.c. [17:31] Sorry Nenad, that it takes so long until I found time for announcement :-/ [17:32] Nenad will organize rf25 [17:34] Heh, he won't mind probably.. [17:34] * Roy is getting more curious now..! [17:36] Pfft.. I made a appointment today for a job interview, but the women said two thing: She was going to mail me a login so I could register online, and more details for the appointment... But I didn't get a email :-) No idea where the company is.. [17:38] The call was anonymous, so I can't call back either... :-( [17:38] ummmm [17:38] ummmmmm, I haven't a name for the rf25 :-/ [17:40] Join: John joined #corewars [17:40] Hi [17:41] hi [17:43] Hiya John [17:43] how are you? [17:44] Did you read the logs? Did you read A Scanner Darkly? [17:45] No, I haven't read it [17:45] I thought I might [17:45] Maybe El Kauka read it? [17:45] I thought you mentioned it not so long ago [17:45] Yes, it'll probably be the next book by him I read [17:46] There is a movie comming up, with Radiohead music (my fav band!) and the promo is really...odd [17:46] The whole movie is vectorised..(!!) [17:48] Roy: Google charge you for providing search results from you google search box don't they? [17:49] Roy: do they only charge if an advert in the results is clicked? [17:49] They charge the clicked adverts on the second page I think.. [17:49] Fizmo: how are you getting on changing to frames? [17:51] not that good [17:52] still fiddeling around and didn't found a final concept [17:52] Actually I stick on the design of the CSEC2005 [17:52] Does that use a table or CSS columns? [17:53] css [17:53] Have you read nanoWarrior [17:54] yesssssss [17:54] I'm not one of the authors, despite being listed at the bottom. I only did the Hall of Fame (which is on my website anyway) [17:54] And write about the qscan....? [17:54] never expected those strategies could be such good [17:55] I thought everything will go for numerouse similar types of coreclears [17:55] No, I didn't write anything, it was Neo and sf [17:55] It did for 10 months ;-) [17:55] well done work [17:55] rf25 is now posted on r.g.c. [17:55] :) [17:56] and the challenge continues [17:56] Nice name! [17:56] :-P [17:56] hahaha [17:56] tks Roy ;-) [17:57] I hope I will have some more time to continue working on my website [17:57] it is horrible out of date :-( [17:58] Only some of the links are out of date Christian [17:58] Most of my hill logs require 2 months worth of updating :-( [17:59] Fizmo: get firefox [17:59] I realized some minutes ago that I haven't posted the results of rf24 :( [17:59] on my website [17:59] John: I use firefox [17:59] Then get the extension link-checker and html-validator [17:59] oh, yes [17:59] good idea [18:01] With some good 94t warriors hopefully the koenigstuhl odd hill will change some :) [18:01] html-validator puts a little icon in the status bar showing if the current page is valid, or has errors. [18:02] with link-checker you just right click on the webpage and select "Check page links" and it will show which are broken [18:02] Both very easy to use [18:02] :-) [18:04] I'll do [18:05] first I'll update the rf pages [18:06] Yesssss!! Phew [18:06] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [18:06] I thought I had a serious problem, but its fine now :) [18:06] :) hi [18:06] Hi Nenad [18:07] Nice round, making it hard for us :P [18:07] Hi Nenad [18:07] * Nenad goes to look at todays logs [18:08] hi Nenad [18:08] I brought tickets for a concert, and the same day I heard my graduation was on the day of the concert... but I just found out its in the afternoon..thank god! [18:08] better look on r.g.c. ;-) [18:08] *bought [18:08] Nenad: sorry that it takes so long time :-/ [18:09] Fizmo: no problem :) [18:09] Still updating my RF pages [18:09] People keep trying to download CoreExplorer 3 from my website for some reason [18:09] I have 3 missing documents reports for it [18:10] :) it will be ready soon [18:10] :-) [18:10] :) [18:10] Did you see you are mentioned in nanoWarrior? :-) [18:11] yes :) [18:12] I'm spending most of my time planning that warrior clustering project. There will be a lot of work... and hopefully nice results :) [18:14] I've already made a benchmark for code testing. I need to write some specifications of the source code representation before working on that [18:15] I wonder which of the two approaches will work better - clustering according to score vs benchmark or according to source code textual analysis... probably the one that looks at the score. [18:15] Nice nice, what are you using for the clustering? [18:15] well, different clustering algorithms, of course :) [18:16] java has nice libraries for that [18:16] we're going to use Weka [18:16] although the clustering algorithms there aren't as strong as the categorization ones... [18:17] I would like to do that, too, but probably won't have the time to do it until june.. maybe as a continuation of the project :) [18:17] Hmmm... the Nigerian scammer obviously doesn't realise 12 carats of uncut diamonds aren't worth much [18:18] I just received my first spam at my new email :-( [18:19] Is clustering similar to score maps? [18:19] I receive spam all the time... more spam than useful emails [18:20] clustering equ finding groups of "similar" warriors, in a sense of functionality equ strategy [18:20] in this particular case.. [18:21] rf25 online now [18:21] Nenad: can you have a look? [18:21] Willvarfa and mjp did something similar I think? [18:21] http://www.corewar.info/tournament/25.htm [18:22] John: no idea :) I'll ask them if I get a chance [18:23] Have you seen their results? [18:23] I'm doing it as a project for one of my subjects, so I don't mind if someone had done something similar before... However, looking at those results would be nice for comparison [18:23] I haven't, unfortunately [18:24] Haven't seen Will for some time here [18:24] Fizmo: it looks good. Now all that remains is to make good warriors! :) [18:25] Is this the kind of thing you mean by clustering? http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jpihlaja/cw/maps/ [18:26] I can't view postscript on this pc, so I can't answer now :) [18:29] Will's are grouped not by score, but by the frequency of execution of different types of instructions http://redcoder.sourceforge.net/?p=kepler-wilfiz [18:30] Join: DrewHK joined #corewars [18:30] hi [18:30] oh. well, I'm going to look at the score and at the source, without analysing which instructions are really going to get executed there... [18:30] hi [18:31] Hi Drew [18:33] * Nenad has to go :( [18:33] * Nenad waves [18:33] :-( [18:33] * John waves [18:34] MSG: [18:37] MSG: [18:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:53] Join: John joined #corewars [18:54] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [18:55] hi [18:56] Hi Elkauka [18:56] Have you read A Scanner Darkly? [18:56] MSG: Quit: humhum [18:57] Join: John_ joined #corewars [18:57] Hi elkauka [18:57] john: yes i did [18:57] all: hi [19:00] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:00] Nick Change: John_ changed nick to John [19:03] How's you new website coming along elkauka? [19:03] Anything ready to put online soon? [19:08] MSG: [19:09] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:10] Join: John__ joined #corewars [19:10] Nick Change: John__ changed nick to John [19:21] * Fizmo has a crazy corewar question [19:21] :-) [19:21] If you must rate how hard it is to enter a certain hill between 1 and 10 [19:22] what do you think would be the value for the Nano Hill? [19:22] 3 [19:23] even if I haven't played nano for a long time I thought it would be maybe 5-7 [19:23] 3? [19:23] really?!? [19:23] Sorry, just joking [19:24] Give me a few minutes [19:25] ;-) [19:28] MSG: [19:29] 94m (2) - beginner (3) - 94xm (3) - tinylp (3) - icws (3) - tiny (4) - nano (5) - 88 (5) - lp (6) - 94x (7) - 94nop (7) - 94t (8) - 94 (8) [19:30] wow you vote 94t such high? [19:30] how would you call that values? [19:30] Toughness of enter the hill [19:30] Level of Hill? [19:31] Though I suppose it depends what you are trying to enter [19:32] hmm, maybe we could go for "easy", "medium" and "hard" [19:33] easy would be 94m, 94b, 94xm, tinylp, icws [19:33] Yes [19:33] interesting I would say tiny (8) [19:34] Hmmm... ;-) [19:34] I found it very hard to enter the last time [19:35] Make a new clear which combines the good points of other clears [19:35] ;-) [19:54] ok, time to go for me [19:54] * Fizmo waves [19:55] bye [19:55] MSG: [19:58] Join: brx joined #corewars [20:03] Hi [20:04] Part: brx left #corewars [20:15] Join: brx joined #corewars [21:46] Join: Capn joined #corewars [21:46] hey guys [21:46] Hi Capn [21:47] MSG: [21:47] i gave that challenge out, hopefully there will be a few people interested [21:47] i think it wasn't too well recieved, seeing how geeky it is [21:47] I hope so :-) [21:47] :-/ [21:47] heh [21:48] How are you getting on with the guide? [21:49] basically it's the standard 94, no-pspace, with max 40 lines of code [21:49] and it's done, but on another computer. i'll get it tomorrow [21:49] you can edit it as you ilke [21:49] bu i don't think there will be too much need for it [21:49] You should make a webpage to put it on. [21:49] yeah [21:50] i think someone said they would host it on theirs [21:50] Just the guide and some links to other sites would be good [21:50] I offered ;-) [21:50] that's right [21:51] i think song[exe] is one of the people in my school [21:51] >.> [21:51] Hello Zack. [21:51] :P [21:51] i knew it [21:51] I've been idleing here all day. [21:51] haha [21:51] Since like 5 min when you left [21:51] acutally [21:51] are you interested at all? [21:51] when you were there I was in here :P [21:51] I didnt get the brodcast [21:51] and you were using IRC on the school computers? i was too lazy to try to bypass it [21:52] aha, that's right [21:52] I dunno yet. I'm still trying to figure out this stuff. [21:52] dunhams is recurring, supposedly [21:52] that's what we're here for. you guys will probably be better than me at it [21:52] haha [21:52] it's a lot to grasp [21:52] I remote desktop to my home computer [21:52] My comp stays on all day [21:52] I'm idleing in anohter channel [21:53] -_-. you're not allowed to do that, you whore [21:53] but i don't care much. [21:53] lol yes you are :P [21:53] I asked Sawfors [21:53] Sawford [21:53] wow [21:53] it's the new proxy browser [21:53] I dont really use it for a proxy [21:53] I use it so I can work on stuff from the shcool [21:54] if they block it though, I can set it up so it is a proxy [21:54] and since i have a dynamic IP, they cant really block that [21:54] -_-. [21:54] unless they block all the cogeco rages :P [21:54] they could block your ISP IP [21:54] which they would [21:54] no they wouldnt [21:54] yes they would [21:54] beucase then any legitimate site woul dbe blocked too. [21:54] they're going nazi on everything. they blocked sympatico's main site [21:55] rofl. [21:55] so, anything you're having trouble with so far? [21:55] Well, I havnt really started [21:55] i left something out of the guide, i'll get John to add it in or something [21:55] I've just been idleing here in case I had a question or something [21:55] Whenever I start to look at it. [21:56] heh, okay [21:56] I'm the owner of the 2nd most popular channel on this server. YES [21:56] Because it would be aWhar would you like adding [21:56] instruction modifiers, i forgot them [21:56] Oh :-) [21:57] remembered addressing modes, but not modifiers [21:57] That's a fairly tricky bit to describe! [21:57] yeah, i'm probably gonna get a lot of questions on that because i didn't know what i was talking about, either. [21:58] well, i did, but not well enough to give a full description of them [21:58] But if you are going to ask something today, ask it soon, i am planning a trip to sleepolandia [21:58] oh, and if people ask you to help them with their warrior, don't spoon feed them code. identify problem areas and tell them something they could do to help [21:58] sleepolandia? i've been there once. boring place. [21:59] * Capn juggles babies [21:59] babies? [21:59] yes. [22:00] There was a bot here a short while ago that juggled [22:00] I'm off to sleep soon too :-( [22:00] Too many late nights [22:01] http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/pascal_lee_l_hamor_hollow2.jpg [22:02] what a nice picture [22:02] cuteoverload.com is a dangerous site, i suggest not to go there [22:03] youll spend time till morning just watching stuff there [22:03] i saw a video where a guy used a trick internet game to make his 7-year old stepson cry [22:03] you finish it and it pulls a screamer [22:03] kid screams and runs to his room where he cried [22:04] for a long time [22:04] i havent seen it but i think one can find it at break.com [22:08] http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/jennim_harrilb_flickr.jpg [22:21] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [22:22] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [22:22] :) [22:23] h F [22:23] I've finished the first "beta" of PyCorewar 0.2.0 [22:25] back again :) [22:25] hi all [22:27] Hi [22:30] pycorewar? [22:31] john: sorry, our gateway server had a nervous breakdown [22:32] why have you ask me if i had readd A Scanner Darkly? [22:32] if i recall right it was my first koth on 94m [22:32] aged around 60 or so [22:33] Because Roy was asking about it earlier and I remembered your warrior [22:33] I haven't read that book, but I've read a couple of his others [22:34] someone needs to write a fiction book about corewars [22:34] now i have a collection edition containing 5 of his "greatest" novels ;) [22:34] some cliche story about how some guy gets sucked into the game and has to battle/program his way out [22:34] how tech that woul dbe [22:34] wasnt there a sifi story about cw on the net? [22:34] Capn: A MARS with a Python interface, that I'm working on [22:34] cool [22:35] Capn: older versions at http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/pycorewar/index.en.html [22:35] In about 20 minutes I'll upload the beta [22:37] ok, i'm off again (the 2nd book of the Illuminatus! trillogy is waiting for me) [22:37] * elkauka waves [22:37] MSG: [22:38] * Fluffy waves too late [22:38] hmm ... actually I shouldn't call it a beta, but no longer want to publish development versions [22:41] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/pycorewar/download/pycorewar-0.2.0.beta-1.tar.bz2 [22:41] The testsuite is the only thing, that does not work very well [22:42] * John waves, far too late! [22:42] * Fluffy waves [22:42] see ya [22:46] hmm .. I'm stupid [22:47] I know, that I should read, what you write in the channel, but it seems, that I only react to key words [22:47] "... waves" and I start to write "Fluffy waves" [22:50] :-) [22:51] i don't read either, apparently [22:52] I've hoped, that there is anybody out there to test the various development versions, but nobody did. [22:52] (... nobody apart from Sascha) [22:53] MSG: [23:04] * Fluffy waves [23:04] MSG: Quit: dat.f < 1, # 1 [23:06] MSG: Quit: Leaving [23:35] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer