[00:01] MSG: [05:20] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [10:15] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [12:38] Join: Roy joined #corewars [12:39] hi [13:44] hi Roy, bye Roy [13:44] MSG: [14:01] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [14:01] :) [14:03] :) [14:03] Roy: Did you try compile PyCorewar with Cygwin? [14:04] No, not tried it yet [14:04] First have to download Cygwin then [14:04] At least it is quite easy to install [14:04] Heh, and will (most likely) work :) [14:05] I hope so [14:30] Roy: what's 'Wiskunde'? [14:33] Dutch for Math [14:33] Why..? [14:36] I'm reading a book of someone from the Centrum voor Wiskunde en Informatica (Amsterdam) [14:36] (Well he was the co-author [14:38] Ah, well, now you know :) Centre for Math and Informatics [14:39] Wiskunde sounds funny [14:39] 'kunde' just means something like uhm sience [14:40] kunde is the part that makes it familiar for me as a germen speaking person :P [14:40] Wiskunde -> math, Natuurkunde -> Nature Sience, Scheikunde - Chemistry Sience [14:40] Erdkunde (Geologie) [14:40] in german :P [14:41] Yup, that is about the same :) [14:41] What is Math in german? [14:41] Mathematik [14:41] Ah, lot like English [14:43] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [14:43] I think it has greek roots [14:44] It probably has [14:44] i folks [14:49] damn, my new tv-card cant find digi-channels [14:54] not that i need to see them for a year or two [14:55] btw. new regmath contest! [14:55] Roy: Did you enter the last one? [14:56] *recmath... and yes, I tried it :) [14:56] Ended just above JM ;-) [14:56] * Roy waves [14:56] MSG: [15:04] recmath? [15:07] http://recmath.org [15:08] You can find there regularly held programming contests [15:38] Join: John_ joined #corewars [15:41] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:41] Nick Change: John_ changed nick to John [15:43] Hi John :-) [15:58] Jens fills my inbox with spam :/ [15:59] score 25-50 ... :P [15:59] It is not spam! [16:00] You might notice, that the score increases with each submission [16:00] yeah these are mails from challenges of breathtaking warriors :P [16:00] It is part of my new program. [16:00] are they evolved? [16:00] It verifies, that the created warrior changes in the right direction [16:00] no, not evolved [16:01] but? [16:01] :) [16:01] that's no satisfactory awnser [16:02] I know, but at the moment I want it to be a secret [16:02] But I can tell you, that it is some kind of test for PyCorewar [16:02] with the nice side effect, that I hope to create a decent warrior for tiny [16:03] does it involve much thinking from you or another human? [16:03] Yes, it took a while to find the right algorithm [16:04] and even more time to create PyCorewar :-) [16:04] It is amazing how much time you can save, if you no longer have to rely on calling external executables to benchmark a warrior [16:05] fiveop: What out! A new submission for tiny :-) [16:05] *Watch [16:07] hmm ... and right after the test submission I got a better warrior [16:11] Join: sf joined #corewars [16:11] Hello [16:13] hi [16:13] why did you write it in such a language :/ [16:13] 46.9 ... that's not realy an improvement [16:13] Fluffy: against which benchmark are you testing? [16:15] Hi sf :) [16:15] fiveop: That was a bug in the program. It has submitted the wrong warrior. [16:15] fiveop: My program should submit the next test soon [16:15] What do you mean by "such a language"? [16:16] I don't know it and have no amition to change that :P [16:16] ambition [16:16] What would you prefer? [16:17] I like lisp a bit [16:17] hmm ... not very practical [16:17] why? [16:18] Because it is easier for me to write programs in Python ;-) [16:18] for you [16:18] :) [16:19] lisp has a very steep learning curve imho! :P [16:19] * Fluffy shrugs [16:20] :/ [16:25] fiveop: If you want to keep on using Lithp, you can use the underlying C code to create some kind of extension for Lisp. You be fairly easy, because the C-code and the Python layer is neatly separated [16:25] *You be -> It should [16:25] be [16:27] 48.7 :-) [16:38] I should do the same for the tiny-lp hill. It is younger and it should be easier to create a good warrior for it [16:40] Sal is slow today :( [16:43] which hill are you playing, sf? [16:44] nano ;) [16:46] I've tried to get onto nano during the weekend, but the benchmark, that I have is quite bad :-( [16:46] I should create a new one, but that's hard. [16:47] It's difficult when most of the warriors on the hill are mystery evolved stuff [16:47] It is quite amazing, that Fizmo can create such good benchmarks for '94nop [16:50] Please can you send something to Sal nano so I can see if it's Sal being a bit slow or my email being useless? [16:51] ok ... one moment [16:52] You only need to score over 120.6 to get on ;) [16:52] email is sent [16:52] sf: First I need a good warrior for nano [16:53] But at the moment both of my cpus are working for tiny [16:53] What abnout using the script which made Taking Over Nano? [16:53] SAL now displays my submission to nano [16:53] :( [16:53] sf: Can't do that, because the benchmark is wrong [16:54] the script depends on having a good benchmark [16:54] If I have a really good one, it is quite easy to become koth [16:55] Then you can have some of my warriors for your benchmark ;) [16:55] Haven't you published them? [16:55] A few [16:56] For Taking over Nano IX I've used JM's infinite nano hill as a benchmark [16:56] and you see, where it is at the moment :) [16:59] sf: How do you create your nano-warriors? [16:59] hand picked opcodes, random operands [17:00] and then? [17:00] benchmark, that's it [17:00] But I have hand-written ones too [17:00] and sometimes I fix in some of the operands [17:01] I've managed to get SPL/MOV/MOV/MOV/MOV on the hill [17:01] as well as MOV/SPL/MOV/MOV/MOV and MOV/MOV/SPL/MOV/MOV and MOV/MOV/MOV/SPL/MOV :) [17:01] :) [17:02] time to spam again [17:02] No point trying MOV/MOV/MOV/MOV/SPL [17:02] 48.7 :-) [17:02] Does anyone have a gmail account? [17:03] yes, I have [17:03] Would you mind if I had an invite please :) [17:03] no problem [17:03] (presuming I receive it, my current email is rubbish) [17:14] Join: sascha joined #corewars [17:15] Hi Sascha :) [17:15] goodeveningjensandtherestofourfamouscommunity;-) [17:16] Hehe, nice try 24.0 points against tiny..a little bit better than dat 0,0 [17:25] Hi Sascha [17:26] greetings to sf ;-) [17:42] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [17:42] Hi Core29 [17:42] hey [17:43] Hi Core29 [18:14] brb [18:14] MSG: Quit: leaving [18:17] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [18:19] MSG: Client Quit [18:19] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [18:21] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [18:22] hi hi [18:22] hi Fizmo :) [18:23] hi Jens :) [18:24] Hi Chris [18:24] Hi sf [18:24] hi fizzer [18:24] any news [18:25] I have a new email address! [18:25] hi Sascha [18:25] :) [18:25] sf: which domain? [18:25] Fizmo: PyCorewar 0.2.0 is out and it is faster than exmars/exhaust/exhaust-ma/pmars :) [18:25] I haven't been receiving emails properly for a while [18:25] [18:26] If you've emailed me at over the last few weeks, I won't have received it :( [18:26] btw, regarding answering emails [18:27] I got now an answer I wrote almost 3 years ago to jkw ;-) [18:27] hehe [18:27] on an email I wrote him... [18:27] It must have required a great deal of thought [18:28] hahaha, he recently found it between all those spam mails [18:28] I was asking if he could provide his koth script [18:29] to prepare a new server [18:29] in the meantime we have it: SAL [18:29] :) [18:29] thanks to Joonas and bvowk [18:30] Is there anything new to announce on your webpage today Fizmo? [18:31] no not yet. Still working on the different hill sites [18:52] * Fizmo waves [18:52] maybe back later [18:52] MSG: [18:53] * sf waves [18:53] MSG: Quit: I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information. [19:18] Join: bvowk joined #corewars [19:18] hrm. [19:18] greetings. [19:18] Hi bvowk! [19:19] how's it going fluffer? [19:20] * Fluffy kicks bvowk [19:20] Everything runs quite smoothly :) [19:20] I think I've got a new nano scanner [19:22] Hi Bvowk [19:22] Welcome back [19:23] I'm not bad [19:23] back rather [19:23] send then, lets see how well it does ;-) [19:23] I'm wondering if it'll get better if I leave it longer [19:23] Maybe, then you can resend ;-) [19:24] not really the way this one works :) [19:24] I'm sure there are probably several similar warriors on the nano hill [19:24] 1c linear scan? [19:25] I need to take my laptop back under warrenty :-( [19:25] uh.. remember I don't write redcode :) [19:25] it looks a bit like sentry [19:25] scores better on the benchmark [19:25] There's a 1 inch wide blueish stripe down the screen :-( [19:26] oh? [19:26] I haven't travelled with it or anything, it's always been at home [19:26] your notebook? [19:27] alredy? [19:27] Yes :-( [19:27] I don't have much luck with computers [19:27] what was it again (so I can avoid it? :) [19:27] Toshiba [19:28] ahh [19:28] already on the avoid list [19:28] It's okay if I put a bulldog clip on the top of the screen, above where the stripe is [19:28] are there any notebooks you don't avoid yet? [19:28] ibms :) [19:28] apples are ok too [19:28] they don't produce any notebooks ... at least they don't sell any :P [19:28] you'll notice they both cost more tho [19:29] old ibms or new ibms ? [19:29] old ibms are good.. [19:29] the new ibms I'm not quite so sure of.. [19:29] Hi CL [19:29] I got a lenovo T43 [19:29] hello [19:29] its ok.. but its still the same design [19:29] the new ones we'll see [19:29] lenovo says they're going after the low end market, so it might end up as cra [19:29] Oh! [19:30] [ [19:30] carp even [19:30] my cd drive in my old T21 has failed, major pita [19:30] Something surprising :-) [19:30] augh. [19:30] crap. [19:30] optical drives are crap :) [19:30] difficult to reinstall without one [19:30] at least they're cheap to replace (usually) [19:30] thats what netbooting is for :) [19:30] yup, I decided it was time to learn that [19:31] I've got a nice pcmcia cdrom drive for those sorts of issues [19:32] ibms are pretty easy to find parts for generally [19:32] (at the very least) [19:32] I haven't looked yet, wondering if it's worth it [19:33] Hey, someone pushed my "mutant" off...only two warriors of mine are left... [19:33] not enough memory, too small hard drive on that t21 [19:33] sony's are the absolute worst, you can't buy parts for them, you have to send them back, and if you've changed *ANYTHING* they'll usually just send it back to you and say you're warranty isn't valid anymore [19:33] CL: you can get 120GB notebook disks these days :) [19:33] I hate Sony [19:34] $$$ I'd rather put that into desktops, which I use 99% of the time [19:34] yeah, sony sucks.. you'll never pay more for a lower quality notebook :) [19:34] usually they're riddled with hardware problems too, that are poorly patched in acpi code you load under windows [19:35] I saw one with utterly broken interrupt routing.. the thing was a fucking brick unless you ran windows, but you had to use the windows that came with it, you couldn't run windows until you loaded the drivers! [19:37] Infinano has a new king! http://corewar.co.uk/infinano/ [19:37] booo [19:38] crazy. [19:39] ok ... I'm still 2nd ;-) [19:40] 2nd is the first loser [19:40] MSG: Quit: Leaving [19:40] Evolved / generated warriors are now in a minority in the top 5 ;-) [19:42] that's more of a reflection of the crude evolution techniques [19:43] buahahaha [19:43] Xbox + Tv-card = :) [19:44] I dont need to take my eyes off Irc even when playing console [19:44] John: I hope to change that soon [19:45] Join: John_ joined #corewars [19:47] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:47] Nick Change: John_ changed nick to John [19:49] What exactly do you plan to change Jens? :-) [19:50] look at tiny [19:51] There are some submissions named "Tiny Dodo (test ...)" [19:52] it is a script of mine, which creates warriors and checks, whether it is devloping it in the right direction [19:52] They're not doing very well :-/ [19:52] That's not the point [19:52] as long as their scores increase, everything works find [19:52] I let the script run over the next days [19:53] and hope to get warriors, which will be near the koth [19:53] they will plateau [19:54] Join: John_ joined #corewars [19:54] CL: no, they won't [19:54] CL: I've already tested the algorithm on tiny [19:54] how will you beat that problem? it's common in GA [19:54] But I don't use GA :) [19:55] I meant: I've already tested the algo on nano [19:55] and in all (!) of my tests I've got a warrior, which was near the koth [19:55] you have stated that you are 'evolving' ...somehow [19:55] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [19:55] CL: that's another project :) [19:55] hi [19:55] Hi Nenad! [19:56] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:56] Nick Change: John_ changed nick to John [19:56] Hi Nenad [19:57] Jens: you really hope to get high on the hill by gradually improving those ~50 warriors? [19:59] why 50 warriors? [19:59] the score is around 50 points [19:59] that's what I meant... [20:00] yes, I want to do that [20:01] it only takes a while [20:02] well, good luck :) We should all make programmes make warriors on our behalf and see which one is the best :) maybe organize some sort of evolver-contest? [20:02] hey, I do NOT evolve! [20:02] ? [20:02] sounds like a play on words [20:02] no [20:02] evolving is a kind of system..jens does it pure random [20:03] * Fluffy kicks sascha [20:03] oh. so he is an evolver-wannabe :) [20:03] Well it has got Jens to #2 on infinano, whatever he does [20:03] Of course, it requires proper hand-coding to get to 1st place [20:04] :-P [20:04] If I have some time, I'll reclaim #1 [20:05] ah, an excellent cover... [20:05] then some of the handcoders will be #0 by default [20:05] :) [20:05] Join: John_ joined #corewars [20:05] CL: no cover, I just keep on working on tiny [20:06] ah, but if you don't make #1, it will be because you didn't have enough time! [20:06] good luck Fluffy [20:06] :) [20:06] it would be nice to see a new method [20:07] and even better to see a new method that actually works [20:07] actually I don't know, whether it is new, but it seems to work [20:07] picky, picky [20:08] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:08] Nick Change: John_ changed nick to John [20:27] * Nenad waves [20:27] * Fluffy waves [20:27] * John waves [20:27] * sascha waves [20:27] MSG: [20:30] By the way, did anyone already know there is a v3.3 of the '94 draft? [20:31] I've replace v3.2 on my webpage [20:31] Does it include any changes to v3.3? 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