[02:38] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:40] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [06:16] Join: Edgar joined #corewars [06:16] heya. [06:22] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [06:35] hi [06:39] quiet in here :) or is it the wrong time of day? [06:39] its been really quiet here since last christmas [06:40] But there will be more traffic once summer vacations start [06:42] wheee. [06:44] But i can usually find me, fop or core21 during days, and Fluffy during evenings. Fizmo & Met when they have time. [06:46] so which ones are you on the hills? [06:47] Looks like currently only me from those that are awake. [06:48] Fizmo and Metcalf are pretty much always on the hills [08:23] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:59] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [10:02] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:24] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [10:27] Join: asw joined #corewars [12:25] Join: Roy joined #corewars [12:25] h R, brb [12:25] hiya! [12:25] missed Edgar.. too bad [12:26] * Roy just passed his last test and is now 99.9% done with school :D [12:41] good for ya [14:06] MSG: [14:32] MSG: [15:41] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [15:42] :) [15:44] Join: into` joined #corewars [15:44] Hi into` [15:45] hi fluffy [15:45] how are you? [15:45] quite well [15:45] and you :) [15:46] not so good, because i despair of redcode [15:46] How can I help? [15:46] i do not really check how it works [15:47] i have read some tutorials but it is hard to lern for me [15:47] There a beginner's tutorial for Redcode [15:47] i have written C and C++ but assembler is another world ^^ [15:47] i have read 3 guides or so [15:47] but i dont check really much [15:48] i must du read a programm which checks a number of an prime number [15:48] du you know what i mean? i'm from germany and my english is not the best heeh [15:48] hehe [15:48] If you don't mind, just ask your questions here :) [15:49] how can i build a while loop [15:50] into`: I've just msged you. If you want, we talk in German, too. [15:50] oh nice [15:51] also ich muss nen programm basteln was prüft ob meine zahl eine primzahl ist [15:51] habe jetzt rausgefunden mit equ kann ich sowas wie mit #define in C machen [15:51] number equ 7 [15:51] also für number soll er die 7 einsetzen später beim compilieren [15:51] err ... into` ... [15:52] I don't think, we should talk in German [15:56] Join: sf joined #corewars [15:57] Hello [15:57] Hi sf :) [15:57] hey sf. [15:57] how's it going? [15:57] fluffy.. [15:58] :) [15:59] Oh, a new tournament :) [15:59] Hi bvowky, fluff [15:59] tourny? [16:00] bvowk: topic [16:00] interesting. [16:02] please tell me someone is doing something interesting today. [16:02] if not, I'm taking you all out and giving you a sound beating for being slackers and not entertaining me. [16:02] * Fluffy kicks bvowk [16:03] * Fluffy ducks away [16:03] * bvowk sends a mad mad nano bomber after fluffy [16:04] bvowk: you may find it interesting that mad mad nano bombers are no longer viable :P [16:04] heh [16:05] yes, but fluffy was evolved, so I should do alright [16:06] Oh, I missed Edgar :( [16:07] hoover? yes, he's been out of the CIA for a while :) [16:07] Not that Edgar. [16:07] He features a lot in my conspiracy encyclopaedia actually [16:10] There are a few errors in my conspiracy encyclopaedia [16:25] so what are you hacking on sf? [16:27] Nothing :( [16:27] hrm. [16:27] * bvowk puts sf on the list to beat [16:27] what about you fluffy? [16:27] Do you think that will work bvowky? [16:27] Still working on PyCorewar [16:28] The current version is already way faster than Version 0.2.0 [16:28] sf: likely not, but going to england to beat a young woman might be fun.. met and I can meet for beers afterwards.. [16:29] (man, I'm going to pay for that log entry, I can just feel it!) [16:29] You wouldn't stand a chance bvowky! [16:30] maybe met would have to meet up with me first so I had help! :) [16:30] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [16:30] (getting met in trouble now too!) [16:30] hey core. [16:30] Hi Core [16:31] hey men [16:33] wow. [16:33] we're a chatty bunch :) [16:34] hehe [16:34] are you doing anything interesting? [16:34] Join: quickneo joined #corewars [16:35] I haven't seen met in a while.. [16:35] hrm. [16:35] hi all [16:36] Hi Neo :) [16:36] Neo: did you receive my new email address? [16:37] going out for steak and salad, 8pm [16:37] KFC for me [16:38] ...maredo [16:39] sf: hi. Yes, got it. Nice addres :) [16:40] bon apêtite [16:40] Named after my best warrior [16:40] I think Bombus Sylvestris will do better [16:40] But someone already chose [16:41] Those warror names keep confusing me [16:41] Sorry [16:41] warror equ warrior [16:42] Like bvowky's warrior names? They all look the same [16:42] It's actually a strategy [16:42] i just ignore them }:-D [16:43] If the warriors have similar names and no decent strategy line, it makes it difficult for opponents to choose a good benchmark! [16:47] I really should work on something decent for nano [16:48] you just need to algorithmically generate your benchmarks thats all [16:48] algorithmically? [16:48] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:48] ok.. computer generate [16:50] Join: sf[2] joined #corewars [16:50] I don't trust in that method. Computer cannot deduce strategies having only the results. Also i use different benchmarks depending what strategy i am developping. [16:50] * sf[2] too [16:51] my warriors all have the same strategy anyways :) [16:51] mad mad bombers [16:51] yeah! :) [16:51] What do you the Dave Hillis's warriors are? [16:51] godly? [16:51] He's Koth at the moment :) [16:52] he's been koth for more than the moment [16:55] We will push him off from KOTH spot! [16:56] Which warriors does he do well against? [16:56] We'll push those off the hill [16:56] Which warriors does he score badly against? [16:56] We'll submit some more. [16:56] he's been on there forever.. he does well against everything :) [16:56] Check same details for all those warriors with the ugly names too ;) [16:57] they're not ugly, they're just not beautiful to humans [16:57] but they're on the way out anyways [16:58] 4989-5634-xt642-3-nano-eve79 [16:58] looks an easy target :) [16:58] I meant humans were on the way out! not my warriors! [16:59] Repent linement beats unit0446 easily, though i don't remember what was it.. [17:01] :) [17:01] Humans are doing better than ever before [17:02] All three of us ;) [17:03] I wish Dave Hillis would publish a few of his warriors [17:03] mmh, not at all... most of top ten warriors are evolved :/ [17:04] 4 of the top 5 [17:04] I rest my case.. [17:04] humans are headed for the door. [17:04] * bvowk ducks [17:06] just wait for me new Qscans... [17:06] :) [17:06] Go Neo :) [17:07] I just have to write them :) [17:08] But i already got the constants, so: [17:09] Automatically generate the code-> benchamark -> optimization -> Kick bvowk's [17:10] hrm.. maybe thats why dave doesn't publish :) [17:10] :) [17:11] I don't think it makes much difference. [17:11] Bombus Sylvestris has been published for ages and is still doing well. [17:11] I know.. [17:15] I've always thought nano should be a public code hill [17:15] :( [17:15] its not like 5 lines are really all that secret [17:16] I think people should publish when they are ready [17:16] meh.. [17:16] I'm not going to change it (or rather, pester he who must not be mentioned in the logs to change it) [17:16] That would be against hand coders [17:16] If someone submits several variations of the same thing they won't want them all publishing [17:16] yeah, but then you could model the hill yourselves too [17:17] I'm going to pester he who must not be mentioned not to do it [17:17] People should have a choice whether or not to publish [17:18] I said I wasn't going to pester him.. [17:18] Oh good :) [17:18] besides, its not like pestering would make much difference anyways :) [17:18] he's gotten desensitized [17:18] Well it's nice there is now an age limit on the beginner hill [17:19] yeah.. [17:19] I didn't do that tho [17:19] I think someone else was pestering [17:28] sf: Really, is the age limit finally implemented? [17:28] hmm ... if I were evil, I'd flood the hill with warriors now ;-) [17:29] you're not a beginner :P [17:29] Age limit is only 50 though [17:29] leave the kids alone! :) [17:30] Something will retire every second challenge [17:30] might actually make the beginner hill harder, because its an always moving target.. [17:31] Bvowk: you can have a go at handcoding something for the beginners hill :P [17:31] You might just make it on ;) [17:32] heh [17:32] you're a little sassy today sf. [17:33] * bvowk goes away to cry.. err.. try [17:33] honest.. tryl.. [17:33] its cause I said you humans were on the way out wasn't it? :) [17:34] You just hang onto your crazy ideas if it makes you feel better bvowk [17:35] heh [17:35] they're not crazy.. the machines rule 4 of the top 5! [17:37] Actually the top 8 are all evolved [17:37] i see there was a bloody wipe at beginners hill. [17:38] Also the oldest 8 are evolved [17:38] zul's are evolved? [17:39] I wasn't aware of that. [17:39] Did you read nanoWarrior? :P [17:39] evolvers should specify ;strategy evolved tags :) [17:39] oh! [17:39] thats right :) [17:40] whens the next NW coming out anyways? [17:40] *prod*prod* [17:40] He is using uGP's evolving code [17:40] perhaps you should be working on that and not dethroning me.. [17:40] Almost there Neo [17:41] bvowk: just doing some preliminary work [17:41] Then I will pester you ;) [17:41] I need to email Dave Hillis too [17:41] heh [17:41] alright. [17:44] Example: Dear Dave, could you publish some of your warriors so we can beat them more easily? Thanks. :) [17:46] Dear Dave, could you please create a whole mitful of new nano warriors to finally shove those pesky humans from the hill once and for all? :) [17:47] :( [17:47] We're too resourceful [17:48] We'll just keep coming back with something you don't expect [17:49] Yeah, like nano stone/papers, (Q-scan included) [17:49] heh.. [17:49] I evolved a nano bomber with a working qscan [17:49] it was great.. [17:49] he who must not be mentioned was impressed. [17:50] How does it score? [17:50] as badly as the rest of them :) [17:50] Rubbish then :P [17:50] bah. [17:50] I don't see you ruling either. [17:51] Heh. That reminds me nano-zooms. Looked great, but they didn't score good enough. [17:51] :( [17:52] I'm in 10th, 12th and 14th, better than you ;) [17:53] bvowk: And don't forget we became KOTh when nobody expected it, (evolved were dominating) [17:53] I have the oldest oneshot ever [17:53] You're not even in the top 10 oldest mad mad bombers! [17:53] Yeah, hit hard sf! :) [17:53] actually, you became koth when I was submitting more warriors, and fell down when I stopped.. [17:54] so really, I'm aiding humans! [17:54] *eek!* [17:55] Is that because your warriors are easy prey bvowky? [17:55] apparently. [17:55] I should finally finish the new evolver.. [17:55] its much better.. [17:56] the server isn't done yet.. [17:56] maybe I should leech code from the ugp people :) [17:57] I see its posted now :) [17:57] Or Dave Hillis [17:57] heh.. [17:57] I've looked at the code dave has on his site.. [17:57] I have no idea how he can get so much good stuff out of it.. [17:58] on so little hardware [17:58] I've always held out hope that he's got a uber-sekret evolver of doom he keeps hidden away [17:58] and its not that easy to beat me :) [18:11] bvowk: Are you still restricted to 100 PC's? [18:18] no.. [18:18] why? [18:18] well.. depends on what you want to do :) [18:18] I thought, that you are not allowed to use more than 100 of your computrons for evolving [18:19] Probably I've just remembered it wrongly [18:19] So how many computers do you actually use for evolving? [18:20] no, I was limited to 100 cores of the one cluster [18:20] for nano, I'm using about 30 [18:20] and still no koth? [18:20] 1.0 and 1.2Ghz athlons [18:20] :P [18:21] with exhaust? [18:22] yup [18:22] fmars would work, but I'm playing with a very random set of chains righ tnow to see if I've pained myself into a corner evolving with fmars previously [18:23] more random = bigger insn file = slower fmars or possibly uncompilable fmars [18:23] hehe, poor bvowk [18:24] You should take PyCorewar :) [18:24] heh [18:24] (I knew it was leading there, I just knew it!) [18:24] The current version can be optimized to a given instruction set AND still is able to run all kinds of warriors :) [18:24] I knew, that you knew [18:25] But I had to do it nonetheless :) [18:27] is it blindingly fast yet? [18:27] please, define "blindingly fast"? [18:27] faster than pmars? [18:27] yes [18:27] pmars isn't fast [18:27] faster than exhaust? [18:27] yes [18:27] faster than exmars? [18:27] yes [18:27] is it faster than fmars? [18:27] hehe :) [18:27] faster than exhaust-ma? [18:27] Nick Change: fiveop_ changed nick to fiveop [18:27] yes [18:28] faster than fmars? [18:28] not yet [18:28] :P [18:28] but we are almost there [18:28] well.. if its not faster than fmars.. whats the point! [18:28] * bvowk ducks [18:29] It can execute any warrior regardless of how you've optimized it [18:29] fmars can't do that! [18:29] and is buggy [18:29] its not buggy [18:29] IT IS! [18:29] :) [18:29] I know, I'm just fucking with you [18:30] its still a pretty damn sweet hack tho isn't it? [18:30] But it is VERRRY fast [18:30] I would copy the tricks, that it uses, but it is neigter ANSI, C90 nor C99 :-( [18:30] Join: Roy joined #corewars [18:30] it works only with GCC [18:30] hi all [18:30] Hi Roy [18:30] Hi Roy :) [18:31] fluffy: thats actually not a big issue.. GCC exists everywhere I compute [18:31] however, guile doesn't work everywhere I compute just yet [18:31] bvowk: Just wait a couple of months [18:31] Guys, help me out.. I need some kind of a project to do, preferebly something to do with my hands [18:31] Then PyCorewar is faster than fmars [18:31] Roy: I won't answer that ;-) [18:32] roy: write an evolver :) [18:32] Roy: have you thought about Origami? [18:32] Roy: Start nuking a city! [18:32] Origami...!? isn't that folding paper..? or microsofts crap? [18:33] folding paper :) [18:33] heh.. [18:34] Roy: You could try to fold that other origami ;-) [18:34] fluffy's suggestion: hey roy, start a nuclear weapons program, then apply for aid from the US to stop! [18:34] bvowk: That would be a nice idea for Canada [18:34] Hi Roy [18:34] bvowk: But on the other hand they might start to nuke you :) [18:35] Heh, I bet he can't even find Europe.. [18:35] fluffy: no, they'd just stop broadcasting american idol and the canadians would cave :( [18:35] Roy: How good are you at x86 asm? [18:36] How good? very bad.. [18:36] Isn't Canada part of the U.S.A.? [18:36] ha ha sf. [18:36] Heh sf.. [18:36] lol [18:36] Starting a little war here :) [18:37] * bvowk becomes a canadian fundamentalist and recruits terrorists to attack SF [18:37] Saying that (I think) is insulting to Americans.. and I know that from... Southpark :) [18:38] although, if we were part of the Us, our license plates would say "canada, the polite state" [18:38] hmm ... I alway wanted to ask how Canadian pronounce "about"? [18:38] *always [18:38] American's have plenty of homegrown terrorists [18:41] Nice site for inspiration! http://www.instructables.com [18:50] hey jens.. is the newest pycorewar up? [18:52] * bvowk prods jens. [19:17] MSG: Quit: Physical Wreck IRC webscript: http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [EOF] [19:17] Come back Neo! [19:17] Join: ouch joined #corewars [19:17] heh [19:17] :) [19:17] whatcha doing sf? [19:18] Nick Change: ouch changed nick to Neogryzor [19:18] Nothing to do with me :) [19:18] no, it was a question.. [19:18] you've gone quiet [19:19] Something new for nano [19:20] damn. [19:20] my something new for nano fell shy :( [19:20] planning how to wipe out the hill of evolved sillies [19:20] and it scored so well against infininano [19:20] :( [19:21] If it scored well against the infinite hills you should submit it to them :) [19:22] :) [19:22] heh [19:27] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [19:27] where'd fluffy go? [19:29] He could be knocking on your door right now... [19:30] Or the FBI finally found his WOMD [19:32] the gedankenpolizei have taken him in for re-education [19:33] Maybe it's something normal [19:34] what are the odds of it being that?! [19:34] Like his dog got tangled up in his modem cable [19:35] ouch [19:35] Hey, you finally got on bvowk :) [19:35] I made it on the hill only because someone else was plucked untimely :( [19:35] :P [19:37] Bottom 3 ranks :) [19:37] That gives any of us the pleasure of kick it >:-D [19:43] * sf[2] waves [19:44] leaving? [19:44] Yes, I'm tired [19:45] stop waving so much then.. [19:45] heh [19:45] * sf[2] gives bvowk a quick kick [19:45] MSG: Quit: I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information. [19:45] ouch [19:46] * Neogryzor waves late [19:46] hehehe [20:08] Time to go. Bye all [20:08] MSG: Quit: Physical Wreck IRC webscript: http://www.pswclan.com/cgi-bin/irc/irc.cgi [20:18] MSG: [20:28] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [20:40] MSG: Quit: humhum [21:10] Join: Edgar joined #corewars [21:10] hrm. [21:10] heya. [21:10] hello [21:11] how's it going? doing anything interesting? [21:11] who, me? :) [21:11] you see anyone else talking? [21:12] just joined. [21:12] well, I am fiddling around with my stone. [21:12] well, there's not, so yes you :) [21:12] stone for? [21:13] for smashing scissors? :) sh, just trying to get that self modifying junk to work the way I want. [21:13] foot spl #step2,-step [21:13] add.f foot, bomb [21:13] bomb mov >step2,-step [21:13] hit jmp -2 [21:14] one could wonder why the pattern doubles over but it has a reason it is that way. [21:14] I was wondering if you were another nano guy :) [21:15] don't look at me, I only write programs that write redcode.. [21:15] heh. no, I just came back to corewar after a few years of pause [21:15] I don't do it myself :) [21:15] ah, you're one of them evolution guys? [21:15] yup [21:16] I'm the most computationally endowed, but apparently, I'm not putting it to good use lately :) [21:18] lol. how so? isn't evolutionary code good use? [21:18]