[00:01] Topic Change: datagram sets topic: [http://datagram.redcode.nl] Spring Tournament homepage up! Please register ASAP so I can fill in player list -datagram [00:50] Heh, I had a funny idea for a warrior [04:27] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [05:31] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [06:51] datagram, IE6 shows your page just fine [09:53] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [09:53] :) [10:14] * Fluffy has finished reading the logs [10:15] datagram: PyCorewar doesn't have any routines for tournaments ... yet [10:19] datagram: The RSS feed hasn't changed yet :-( [12:15] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [12:19] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [13:11] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:11] Join: Roy joined #corewars [13:12] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [13:12] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [13:12] :) [13:13] Wow :) [13:13] huh? [13:13] All joining within one minute [13:13] [13:11] Join: Roy joined #corewars [13:13] [13:12] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [13:13] [13:12] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [13:14] You didn't notice it, but I did! [13:14] * Roy was first [13:15] ... and I'm stupid [13:16] I've ssh'd to computer 1, then ssh'd from computer 1 to computer 2, then from computer 2 to 3 and then back to computer 1. [13:16] I've been working that way on compter 1 for more than one hour without noticing [13:18] Hehe, I wrote a little script once (old windows) that used the command 'command' a couple of times to get back to the commandline, but it opens a new instance (clogging up the lot) [13:21] Finally I'm done! Just finished with the new LFS installation [13:21] Time to benchmark PyCorewar on the new machine :) [13:22] Sweet :) [13:22] hehe ... PyCorewar on a P3/866 MHz is faster than exhaust on an Athlon XP 2700+ :) [13:25] Pretty nice, but for now we aren't getting the benefit from it :P [13:26] That's why I'm telling you ;-) [13:29] MSG: [13:37] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:43] Part: datagram left #corewars [13:43] Join: datagram joined #corewars [13:45] Part: datagram left #corewars [13:45] Join: datagram joined #corewars [13:46] Part: datagram left #corewars [13:46] Join: datagram joined #corewars [13:49] Hmm [13:49] Proxies are messed up [14:06] Hi datagram! Any news for the tournament? [15:33] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [15:34] hmm [16:30] Join: bvowk joined #corewars [16:30] hrm [16:30] :) [16:30] * bvowk skins fluffy and marinates him alive [16:31] *me has eaten tons of quicksilver before to poison bvowk [16:31] * Fluffy has eaten tons of quicksilver before to poison bvowk [16:31] ah ... that's better ;-) [16:33] oh, I wasn't going to eat you.. but if I just skinned you and covered you in salt for no reason I'd be an asshole.. this way I'm just looking hungry [16:33] (and if you add lime to the salt, it stings way worse) [16:34] too late ... I would have told you only after you've eaten me [16:35] * bvowk squeezes more lime on fluffy to take the smirk away [16:36] so when is pycorewar going to be done? [16:36] like I told you [16:36] the day after you've decided, that you won't use PyCorewar in your projects ;-) [16:36] And it is not use to tell me that now! [16:36] you have to mean it [16:36] * bvowk readies some more limes in case he doesn't like the answer [16:39] MSG: [18:20] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [18:20] :) [18:20] . [18:22] Hey, why don't we have a 88-multiwarrior-hill? [18:23] the 94nop-mw-hill is quite popular [18:23] same reason we don't have an 88-nano hill [18:23] and why is there no 88-nano hill? [18:23] nobodys made one [18:24] Time to create one :) [18:29] I'm not stopping you :) [18:29] Join: Roy joined #corewars [18:30] * bvowk dats roy [18:30] * Roy is killed [18:30] You are wrong btw. I'm a paper, I have many many instances [18:31] Oh really? I havent heard of Roy spawning a single child-process so far. [18:32] I am a scanner. I search for interesting stuff, and paste it to other channels. [18:32] Not completely, I just generate a lot of cells [18:32] * Roy is just Roy actually.. [18:33] (thus stupid) [18:36] Hi oy :) [18:37] bvowk: Still here? [18:38] or there [18:38] whatever [18:38] * Roy thinks bvowk datted himself [18:38] Probably: Most nano-warriors do that ;-) [18:39] and they only have max. 80 processes, which are easily datted ;-) [18:39] Not all :P [18:40] bvowk: Do you have faith in your evolver? [18:43] hmm .. probably not [18:57] Quote: American Bull is the new taste of power. American Bull, which is not even American -- it's imported from Poland and made in Austria -- is the latest addition to an already saturated market of energy drinks and Red Bull imposters. At least some of the other companies try to hide it... [19:14] I don't faith in anything.. but I know it kicks ass :) [19:22] Then why don't you join the tournament [19:23] You can evolve all your submissions :) [19:23] What do you think? [19:23] That might be a good reason to put all the computer, that you have access to, to use [19:24] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [19:25] I've evolved for a few tournys [19:25] bvowk: Then you'll participate? [19:27] maybe [19:28] likely not [19:28] bvowk: I'm not a friend of fuzzy logic. Simply say yes! :-) [19:29] fluffy logic then? [19:30] fluffy logic knows only one answer: "yes" [19:31] uh huh. [19:31] I take that as a "yes"! [19:33] I just sent a nasty-gram to sun [19:35] I feel much better knowing that my bad day is now someone at suns bad day. [19:36] (but really, you're posting b0rken files, and then you have the nerve to send me a cheery message about how great and wonderful your software that is unusable is (because its in a broken package) [19:37] so I told them they could talk shop with the SGI engineers in the unemployment lines for all I cared. [19:38] Seems, that you are having lots of fun ;-) [19:41] no, I wasn't that was the problem :( [19:42] I should have been, they've been promising to send me fun and exciting bits of hardware to test.. but they never seem to actually get to the sending part. [19:43] That sounds like a problem [19:43] it is.. [19:44] because it kinda soured my impression of sun.. [19:44] I own my own E4500, and a couple workstations.. so was kinda big on their kit [19:44] mitzi? [19:45] yup [19:46] A while ago I've played with the idea to buy an old Sun workstation of ebay ... just for the fun of it [19:47] they are quite cheap [19:47] it would be fun, but they would be kind of slow :( [19:47] so I spend the money elsewhere [19:53] hmm ... found a store, which sells used Suns ... it is just around the corner [19:58] I found a Sun building for sale today.. [19:58] Roy: How much? [19:59] No idea, but they bought a much bigger building next to it, I can park for free now at the old building :) comes in handy [20:04] * Roy has two laptops now :-D [20:04] But still no normal pc.. [20:05] Roy: Then buy one at ebay :) [20:05] Maybe I can trade my battery-less laptop for one ;-) [20:06] battery-less? [20:08] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [20:08] Well, there is a battery in there somewhere, but it doesn't work, I always need to plug in the powerplug [20:13] Then why do you need a normal PC? [20:14] Well.. because the screen is much better, and I don't feel like connecting a monitor+keyboard to my slow laptop.. pc's are also better to upgrade [20:15] Upgrade? Why do you upgrade you PCs? [20:15] And it handles heat a little better :) [20:15] Whenever I decided to buy sth. new, all my old stuff is too old to be upgraded [20:15] Laptops are handy for warming hands in winter, but make me sweat in the summer.. [20:15] yeah.. [20:15] Wow! [20:15] That's a stupid idea [20:16] since I've gotten in better shape, I find it very difficult to use my notebook without a table.. [20:16] I generate too much heat internally [20:16] Buy several hundreds of old Pentiums and build a cluster from it [20:16] yeah, but one modern box is worth hundreds of old pentiums [20:16] Heh, I love that idea, but I'm lacking space :) [20:16] Those old Pentim 133-200 [20:16] ! [20:16] especially when you consider power consumption [20:16] yes [20:17] Hehe indeed.. but well, it is fun though [20:17] Why dont you just buy few hundred Chinese C3's, wont cost that much more [20:17] There are a lot of pc's that I can get for free :-S [20:18] Roy: Are they too slow or why don't you take one of those? [20:18] the c3 have *VERY*VERY*VERY* tragic floating point numbers. [20:18] the new ones have amazing crypto ability tho [20:19] they can do AES faster than anything else on the planet [20:19] bvowk: Fortunately you don't need the FPU for cw :) [20:19] its basicly constrained only by memory bandwidth [20:20] Fluff: They are pentiums 200 or something, but I don't have that much room, and my parent will whine about the power if I leave them on all day [20:20] (Which I will once I get them) [20:20] Fluffy: No, they will whine about the noise :) [20:20] That too probably.. although they never complain about my laptop, which is probably noisier :) [20:21] what kind of laptop do you have? [20:21] Err.. a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo D series (hides) [20:21] roy: go buy an athlon64 x2 3800, and then buy a nice asus board, and some DDR that'll run nicely at 533Mhz.. [20:22] you should be able to bump the clockrate up to 2.6Ghz [20:22] Roy: which means? [20:22] they seriously smoke core, and its not much to spend [20:22] 2.66 Ghz and I put +/-750mb in [20:23] bvowk: Like the one, that you've talked about? [20:24] yup [20:25] And the specs for the laptop I got today... no idea :-S haven't looked at it yet [20:26] bvowk: I've just visited your homepage and saw the pic with the "obsolete machines" [20:26] bvowk: They aren't obsolete, they are state of the art from my point of view ;-) [20:28] heh [20:28] its not especially fast actually.. [20:28] but I've had alot of fun with it.. [20:28] Hrm, its a Dell Latitude D810, but no idea what they put in there [20:28] for somethings the 8MB cache per cpu is pretty swank [20:30] Roy: sent it to me. I'll tell you [20:30] Hehe, I can't even login yet to check :( they gave it to me without telling me the password bastards.. [20:31] I have to login at work first to get everything setup.. [20:31] Who needs passwords? All software is usually useless, that comes with the pc/laptop [20:31] Just delete it [20:31] and install sth. interesting [20:32] Well, its from work, not my laptop, can't format it :( but I probably will do it with this laptop [20:32] And then install freeBSD to make bvowk happy [20:32] no, sth. interesting [20:33] say ... redcode os [20:33] you could do it.. [20:33] there's exmars w/ streams now :) [20:33] you could code up a unixy os [20:33] lol [20:33] hehe ... it would be quite slow [20:34] Not if we get Pycorewars with streams :P [20:34] even if somebody comes up with a really fast MARS, it would be sth. like 60 - 80 MIPS on an Athlon 3800+ [20:35] I'll probably just install like 10 os'es and see what I like best, I don't take advice for granted :) [20:35] brb [20:35] Roy: Try CP/M [20:37] hey, we should beef up the description of Redcode [20:37] let's see, what do we have ... [20:37] Redcode-MMX [20:37] add.f sub.f add.x even mul.f or div.x :) [20:39] a stable instruction set ;-) [20:39] No changes since 1994 [20:40] Do I miss sth? [20:48] if you have to ask :) [20:51] Join: Neogryzor joined #corewars [20:51] Hi Neogryzor [20:51] hi Fluffen [20:51] * Fluffy kicks Neogryzor [20:51] *ouch* [20:52] :D [20:52] You have two choices. Either spell my nick correctly or I'll chose sth. even more fluffy ;-) [20:52] i just escaped from eurovision on TV, that's really scary! [20:55] the escape? ;-) [20:55] Flufe: What about "wooly hamster"? [20:55] * Fluffy kicks Neogryzor [20:56] hrm.. isn't good? [20:56] But I can't use that as a nick [20:56] it is too long and has a space in it [20:56] "lemming"? :) [20:56] I'm not suicial [20:56] ... not yet [20:58] hmm ... maybe I should have chosen a better username [20:58] I'm now "fluffy@bunny" at my new machine ;-) [20:58] you should call it rabbithole [20:58] or warren [20:59] No, I needed a stupid name [20:59] and "bunny" fits that requirement quite well [20:59] why not simply "flu"? [21:00] you could have avian, equine, porcine :) [21:00] lol [21:00] hahaha [21:02] p0rK sounds dumb enough [21:02] No need to argue any longer. I've already set the hostname and I don't change them [21:03] until the computer "dies" [21:04] bvowk: And you? How do you choose hostnames? [21:05] Neo: Who is going to win? :P [21:05] back [21:05] hi Roy [21:07] That satanic heavy rock group... are they from finland? :) [21:07] hehe [21:07] Ehm yes, I think so, but I only saw the short 10sec movies [21:07] They looked pretty cool though [21:07] And my sister likes the uhm "We are the winners" song [21:09] heh, i also saw that summary only [21:09] didn't see all participants [21:10] Did you see the dutch girls? :P three girls with drums [21:11] haha, yeah. It seems they are from the Diesney movie Tarzan :P cool [21:12] btw. what is CP/M..?? [21:12] Roy: pre-DOS ;-) [21:13] Hehe Neo: the satanics go though to the finals :P [21:13] eh? [21:14] http://www.eurovision.tv/english/finland.htm [21:14] I guess, that nobody knows a set of 88 warriors, which contain all the 124 different possible instructions for 88 [21:14] Heh I don't think so Fluffy [21:16] where is it taking place, roy? [21:16] No idea... [21:16] ohw, Athens (says the website) [21:25] hrm, what is dependency checking? [21:26] what's the context? [21:26] Linux Distro [21:27] some packages need other packages to work [21:27] Ah k, thats what I thought it was [21:27] so if you select one package/program you might need to install others, too [21:28] usually these programs are selected automatically [21:28] Hmm, this website suggests Gentoo and LFS to me :-S [21:29] How much do you know about Linux? [21:29] Not so much (yet) but I've worked with it [21:29] Then you might try Ubuntu [21:30] Installing packages etc from source isn't much of a problem (even cool to do) [21:30] LFS will take quite a while [21:30] I usually need 2 days to get a working system [21:30] and then I still have to install X Windows, ... [21:31] Yes, just noticed what it stands for :) but that doesn't really matter, LFS will teach me a lot [21:31] yes, it will [21:31] the first thing will be: rtfm [21:32] Hehe, thats a good thing, can be done before messing stuff up ;-) [21:32] Or realising its too much work [21:33] LFS is quite easy, if you 1) Use the stable version at first and 2) Follow the instructions [21:33] Use no newer releases and check for typos [21:33] Then it will work nicely [21:34] ... and a working GRUB boot disk might come in handy [21:35] Hehe probably not needed too many times :) [21:36] why? [21:37] Well, worked with Windows for 15 years now or something, and boot-disks means something terrible happened [21:37] no [21:40] I usually have to use it, if I've forgotten to install a boot loader [21:40] which I happend to do a lot recently [21:40] MSG: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+ssfe [21:40] probably, because I had to do that during the night ;-) [21:42] Roy: So will you really try to install LFS? [21:42] I might... first I have to backup all crap currently collected on this pc for 3 years :P [21:43] it is about time, if you don't have a backup ;-) [21:43] Well... all I have here are some warriors, but most are published [21:44] And all other stuff is probably replaceble [21:45] First making a list of everything I do on my pc, but its kinda of a dissapointingly short list [21:45] Browsing/IM'ing/IRC'ing.... [21:45] wasting cycles? [21:46] Ohw and CW [21:46] (of course) [21:47] Not wasting cycles, nano-evolver running now [21:47] did it already produce sth. useful? [21:48] Well, not today, but it gave me the idea of the Ritz-line [21:49] and how do you evolve? [21:49] I mean how does your evoler exactly creates the warriors [21:50] YACE :) [21:50] I thought you were using your own [21:50] And then analyze them by hand and optimize them against the whole koenigstuhl nano hill [21:51] No... [21:51] That one doesn't work [21:51] hehe [21:55] :) [21:56] Ok guys, time to get some sleep, alarmclock rings on 6:00 [21:56] Tomorrow I have my SCJP (Java Certification Exam) [21:57] Ciao! [21:57] MSG: [22:01] * Neogryzor waves [22:01] i should go too [22:01] bye bye [22:01] I'm faster ;-) [22:01] MSG: Quit: leaving [22:01] :-/ [22:02] MSG: [22:19] MSG: Quit: humhum [23:10] MSG: Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.0.5 [23:16] Join: datagram joined #corewars