[00:45] http://irssi.org/themefiles/c0ders.png [06:25] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [06:54] weird feeling i got [06:54] feel like tutoring a newbie [06:55] but not one available, so do i else [06:56] heh [06:56] You can tutor me [06:56] I'm newb for the most part [06:57] then ask and ye shall recieve an answer [06:57] :) [06:57] heh [06:58] I suppose right now I'm wondering about hard combinations for tournament parameters [06:59] Well, speaking about that unpublically might be a hinderance [06:59] no, not hinderance but unfair advantage [07:00] psssh [07:00] well [07:00] dinnertime [07:00] Peace out [07:01] Just had my second breakfast [07:01] umm.. [07:01] im tired and that shows [07:05] dinnertime ... [07:05] I just got up [07:05] well I guess a few thousand kilometers away : [07:21] *bling* - probably stupid idea crossed mind [07:30] my god.. [07:31] i've created yet again a Thing That Should Not Be [07:47] scores weirdly.. [07:49] AGH [07:49] no wonder it cant beat rotfcopy.. [07:50] TTSNB being HSA-based and rotfcopy having a wimp.. [08:02] damn, dont know what to do with it [08:03] It most likely wont get to hills, but it will slay everything at beginner-hill.. [08:03] to _the_ hills [09:35] Its raining here [09:51] the sun is shining ;P [09:56] fiveop, Register! [09:56] Rawr! [09:56] I won't [09:57] : ( [09:57] How come? [09:59] It don't have the time [10:06] I see : / That's too bad [12:14] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [13:33] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [13:42] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [13:42] :) [13:46] . [13:54] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [15:10] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [16:32] Join: sf joined #corewars [16:32] Hello [16:34] hi sf [16:34] Hi Mizcu [16:35] hi sf [16:36] Hi Fluff [16:41] Mizcu: Do you know an anti-stone stone? [16:42] vanquisher, behemot, airbag [16:42] thanks :) [16:53] hehe ... that's strange. I've found an anti-paper paper, which fares bad against stones [16:53] Adding and anti-stone stone seems to work :) [16:54] *and -> an [16:54] :) [16:54] Have you seen The Da Vinci Code yet? [16:55] No and I probably won't [16:55] Have you read the book? [16:55] Usually movies, which are advertized that hard, aren't any good [16:55] no [16:55] :) [16:56] To be honest I don't think I've noticed any advertising [16:57] lucky you [17:08] a bomber/paper? sound sheavy [17:08] heavy [17:09] but seems to work [17:09] still have to optimize it [17:10] The scores are quite strange at the moment [17:10] still have problems with clr and sai :-( [17:11] 0.5l of Mountain Dew w/ ice and a bag of Salmiakki, all set for a lazy evening [17:11] what is salmiakki? [17:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmiakki [17:11] Mizcu: You really drink that? [17:11] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:12] Why not? [17:12] Join: johnkw joined #corewars [17:12] I drink Schweppes Russchian and Indian Tonic straight.. [17:13] Stop that! ;-) [17:14] * Fluffy still shivers when he thinks of what Mizcu drinks [17:14] hehe [17:15] Sounds strange [17:15] I think I might have some of that stuff in an old chemistry set [17:17] it has ld50 of 1650mg/kg so dont go overtasting it [17:17] :) [17:17] I have no intention of tasting any [17:17] hmm [17:21] I suggest not to venture into Finnish Cuisine -page of wikipedia, it isnt going to get any more palatable to soft-bellied Europeans/Americans [17:23] mm.. Fluffy thinks that i mixed the Salmiakki on MDew? Ugh, that would be just rancid [17:24] I usually go for water or milk [17:46] You clean old wooden floors with salmiak [17:46] But You don't drink it [17:47] (and it smells horribly) [18:19] Has the microGP webpage vanished [18:26] MSG: Quit: leaving [18:38] MSG: Quit: The Bersirc are coming! The Bersirc are coming! [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [19:19] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [20:03] Fluff: project report? [20:04] huh? [20:04] Fluffy, Your rss should have updated [20:04] i am intellectually bored, i want to know about your bomber/paper [20:06] datagram: I've already seen it. Works perfectly. [20:06] Awesome [20:06] Mizcu: Sorry, but that information is classified, because it has developed in an unexpected direction. [20:07] -_- [20:08] But I will definitely publish the warrior [20:08] ... after I've fully optimized it and sent it to the hill [20:09] So far I've executed only 128104850483 [20:09] instructions [20:09] that's definitely not enough [20:20] hmm ... still not good enough [20:20] scores only 137 against fsh94nop [20:23] hmm .. killah-5030 [20:42] Mizcu: Still bored? [20:42] partially [20:42] how is that possible? [20:42] quite easily [20:43] Do you have any good numbers for my warrior? ;-) [20:43] certainly not [20:46] 7664 might be one :) [20:50] mod-16 [20:50] 62 is one! [20:50] strange constant for a paper [20:51] MSG: Quit: humhum [21:16] not really [21:17] so far I've never had luck with so low step constants [21:20] depends heavily on first/first two silk's constants [21:21] I've seen a paper with constants around 4500/150/120 Score quite well on benchmark [21:21] yes, but with low step constants a clear has a better chance to kill two "paper instances" quite soon [21:22] How many clears you see on action early on? [21:22] Only oneshots [21:22] yes [21:23] and since they are quite popular I have to optimize against them [21:23] and controlled overwriting will help a lot against OS's [21:24] what do you mean by controlled overwriting? [21:25] Paper-copies overwriting themselves [21:25] ah, ok [21:28] ooh, i made some pop-art [21:29] ? [21:30] http://koti.mbnet.fi/mizcu/art.jpg [21:31] not really pop art [21:32] its recode-art and thus it is [21:32] is that test.red you new project [21:32] or are you just playing [21:32] ? [21:32] just playing around [21:44] Just passed 200 billion executed instructions :) [21:48] Join: heath joined #corewars [21:48] Hey guys. [21:48] hi [21:48] I am very new, but interested in corewars. [21:49] Then i suggest you read www.corewar.info throughly [21:49] Mizcu: Ok. I have been reading http://vyznev.net/corewar/guide.html [21:50] And I am a large way through it. [21:50] If you get any questions, then feel free to ask here. Everything in the channel is logged publicly so you can just throw something and wait someone to answer. [21:50] www.koth.org/irc-logs/ [21:51] E-mail addys are cut off from the logs so no need to fear spam [21:51] Cool. [21:51] Hi heath [21:52] Hey Fluffy. I remember you from somewhere. [21:52] huh? how come? [21:52] Fluffy: I don't know. Must be from a channel on freenode. Perl? lisp? [21:53] that's not me. Usually I stay away from perl and lisp [21:53] Ah. Do you apend any time on freenode though? [21:54] Maybe #gentoo? #gentoo-ppc? #solaris? [21:54] I know that I have seen you somewhere. [21:55] hehe ... I only use this nick here in #corewars [21:55] Ah, must just be a coincedence then. [21:55] :) [21:55] Might be. I usually go for dumb nicks [21:56] but I'm definitely the only one [21:57] by the way .. if you need examples of working warriors, you will fight plenty at http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/koenigstuhl.html [21:58] http://www.koth.org/planar/olympus/ranks.html has some older warriors [21:59] Wow. [22:01] Yes, that's a lot of people, who have wasted their time in search of the best warrior ;-) [22:02] :) [22:02] I have not yet written a warrior. Someday. [22:04] yes, but you've just started with corewar [22:04] it takes some time [22:04] I am so impatient. [22:04] I wish I could just learn everything instantly. [22:05] You will find out that it will be really ugly crash once you try benchmarking your first warrior. [22:06] How would I go about benchmarking my first warrior? [22:06] Depends on what MARS you use [22:06] you let it fight against other warriors and see how it fares [22:06] Ah. [22:06] What MARS do you suggest. For now I've been using pMARS [22:07] pMars for *nix, corewin for windoze [22:08] there are also faster alternatives to pmars, you dont need them for now [22:09] by the way ... the pMARS version from koth.org (0.8.something) isn't the most recent. You'll find the last version at http://sf.net/projects/corewar (but you have to compile it yourself) [22:09] Though it will help to have two versions of pmars - "normal" and server [22:10] You use normal when debugging a warrior, or just watching the fights, and server when you want results and just results [22:11] I have just done a dirty default build of pMARS on my machine here. I really need to take a better look at getting the graphics to work. Does it support curses based graphics? [22:11] yes [22:11] just edit the Makefile [22:12] it is quite well commented [22:12] Ok, I'll take a look. [22:13] does it work? [22:14] My previous build, or after editing the Makefile? [22:14] both [22:14] My previous build, yes, but just gives results. I just downloaded the latest source from sourceforge, I am reading the Makefile now. [22:15] just tell, if you have problem [22:17] s [22:17] What does "enables platform specific core graphics" mean? (The -DGRAPHX flasg). [22:17] s/flasg/flag/ [22:18] Can I build it with X11 and curses, and choose with a command line flag, or should I build to separate executables? [22:18] good question .. I've never needed it under Linux [22:18] yes, you can [22:19] X11 works with: [22:19] CFLAGS = -O3 -DEXT94 -DPERMUTATE -DXWINGRAPHX [22:19] LFLAGS = -x [22:19] LIB = -lX11 -L/usr/X11R6/lib [22:19] curses should work with: [22:19] I'll need to change the place where it looks for the X11 libs, but that is ok. [22:19] CFLAGS = -O3 -DEXT94 -DPERMUTATE [22:20] LIB = -lcurses -ltermlib [22:20] (maybe with -lncurses ) [22:20] Ill be retreating to my coffin now, be sure to be a nice teacher, Fluff [22:20] So if it is missing the XWINGRAPHX definition, it will use curses, but otherwise not? [22:20] MSG: [22:20] yes, one moment ... I'll try [22:22] hmm [22:23] It's ok, I'll use the X11 stuff now (I actually just built it and it works fine) I'll build a curses one later if I need it. [22:23] :) [22:41] time to get some sleep [22:42] heath: If you have any questions, just leave them here. I usually read the logs at http://koth.org/irc-logs/ and tomorrow you'll have an answer [22:42] * Fluffy waves [22:42] MSG: Quit: dat.f < 1, # 1