[00:12] See you later guys. Time to go home. [02:20] Join: brx- joined #corewars [02:21] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [05:21] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [06:09] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [06:24] holy sheet, Adobe is actually fast after running a speed-up program [06:24] (acrobat reader, that is) [06:25] Heh [06:29] I overslept :/ [09:07] fiveop, : ( [09:07] Sure, that's like 2.5 hours late...but yeah [12:43] Join: Core29 joined #corewars [14:04] MSG: [15:27] I'm back. [16:38] hrm. [16:41] ? [16:41] * bvowk stabs heath with a curiously pointy finger to wake him up [16:41] lol. [16:42] heath, you must be some sort of ninja, you woke up just as I was typing that! [16:42] :) [16:43] hrm, I didnt set my scrollback far enough to see what you're taking heath.. [16:43] What time is it for you? [16:43] its 10:43 [16:43] Ah, only an hour ahead. Or is that pm? [16:43] Taking? [16:43] yeah, at sk00l, I just saw your homework [16:44] I'm assuming you're a student.. [16:44] which might be flawed... however, you don't seem crusty enough to be faculty yet :) [16:44] Oh, that was a peice of homework from Formal Languages from about two years ago when I was in school. [16:44] I graduated last december. [16:45] I see [16:45] CS? [16:45] Yup. [16:45] You? [16:45] Computer Engineering [16:46] from where? [16:46] Ah, I started out ECE (Electrical and Computer Engineering) but switched to CS after about a year. [16:46] Cal Poly Pomona. You? [16:46] NAIT [16:46] although I'm working on some classes here towards random science right now [16:47] (as they're free for staff :)) [16:47] uh.. here being the University of Alberta [16:47] I work in the math department as a torturing sadist.. er.. network/unix admin. [16:47] Are you still working on your degree, or you just still work there? [16:48] I worked for Cal Poly as a Web Programmer for the last 2 years that I was there. [16:49] I'm done the CE, I'm working on random science requirements.. I haven't decided if I'll go for Math or CS or Eng [16:49] I've been here 5 years or so [16:49] Universities are sweet places to work.. [16:49] Ah. Yeah, it took me I think 5 years and a quarter to graduate. [16:50] Well, I was ready to get out. [16:50] heh [16:50] I'll be here as long as they're willing to pay me, and keep letting me play with piles and piles of machines. [16:50] :) [16:50] I got very, very tired of my job there. I couldn't wait to move on. [16:51] Well, I didn't want to say anything, but being a web administrator is like being a monkey, but people think the monkey is cute, and you're just a bitch who makes their twaddle look pretty [16:51] Plus the pay the were offering for me to come on as full time staff was very slim. [16:51] :) [16:52] (sorry, I used to run an ISP, I'll be *FOREVER* scarred by "web programmers") [16:53] Yeah, my title was "Web Programmer" but what I really did was write tools, CGI's, and come up with proofs of concepts to show that certain things could be done. [16:53] Although, I do miss the dot-com days... [16:54] I was too young for those, I think. [16:54] there's something to be said about having the ability to go into a computer store with $10k and buy new kit every couple weeks [16:54] Wow. [16:55] the cash girl at the one warehouse I used to go to was dubbed the "compu-whore" as she was very attractive, and gothy, and was never seen in footwear other than pretty-woman style hooker boots.. [16:56] Such a thing was said to her face? [16:56] the sales guy used to ask me to bring cash so he could stand and watch her count it.. [16:56] That's kind of creepy, actually. [16:56] yeah.. [16:56] Here is one of my sweeter project while I worked at Cal Poly: [16:57] just sorta stands out in my mind as one of those "wtf was going on with the world" things about the dot-com days :) [16:57] http://www.csupomona.edu/~iit/phonebook/pdf/book.pdf [16:57] :) [16:57] I wrote all the stuff to take all the data from a database and typeset it into the phonebook, automatically. [16:57] never mind the fact that people were sending me money to run servers they'd never seen [16:58] But isn't that the normal way that such things work? [16:59] well, yeah, but when I was starting the ISP, I never expected people would be willing to just start signing up for contracts for hundreds of dollars per month, and many of them didn't even kick the tires or talk to me before they sent me money [16:59] Wow. [17:00] I'd wake up in the morning (because many of my clients seemed to be from europe), and I'd have a couple orders for co-locations/managed servers/ whatever else.. [17:00] I don't think it would work like that anymore.. [17:01] you'd run an ISP? [17:02] most of the clients just bought the servers, slapped up their dot-com idea, and it either floated or sank.. if it sank, they cancelled and went away (although some of them would make a few tries before they admitted defeat) and if it floated, they'd usually stick around until either a) they got sunk by credit card fraud b) they got starry eyed and started to spend the money faster than it came in c) someone in their group got greedy and the whole thing fell [17:02] yup [17:02] only a couple years.. [17:02] I eventually got screwed by credit card fraud tho.. [17:03] I tracked down a pile of them, but they were usually using phones in a hotel in iran or something.. [17:03] not really somewhere you can ask the police to go pick them up.. [17:04] well, credit card fraud and the fact my european customers kept waking me up at 4am to fix things they'd broken [17:05] that got old pretty quick :) [17:05] :) [17:06] what do you do now heath? [17:06] Well my title is Product Test Engineer for ESRI. [17:07] wait.. GIS? [17:07] if you're another GIS person I'm going to wig the fsck out. [17:07] I run tests and analyze failures for ArcGIS Server and Engine for the Solaris builds. [17:07] * bvowk wigs the fsck out! [17:07] ? [17:08] the GIS people I know are beginning to outnumber the regular people I know. [17:08] Interesting. However my GIS knowlege is very limited. I just happen to work for a place that builds it. [17:08] I am failry new , though. All of my training is not yet complete. [17:09] Eventually I should understand a lot more. [17:09] so you professionally hack on solaris? [17:09] whats on your home box? [17:09] wth is GIS? [17:10] geographic information systems [17:10] I guess you could say that. However, I would not describe it as hacking. It generlly very mundane and uncreative. But I was able to build a tool for report analysis. [17:11] I run a Gentoo box and I have a Mac Mini running OSX (but I will probably put Gentoo back on him soon as well). [17:11] At home, I mean. [17:11] no windows box? [17:11] NO WAY! [17:11] I'm impressed! [17:12] Actually my wife runs Windows on her laptop, but that is just because I am too lazy to get her wireless card wroking under linux right now. [17:12] What do you run? [17:12] I'm *BSD [17:12] free and open mostly.. [17:12] Ah, I ran FreeBSD for a while until I got my Mac Mini. [17:12] yeah? [17:12] what version/ [17:13] 5.5 I think. [17:14] 4.5 maybe? 5.5 just came out about a week ago [17:14] Are you sure? I remember when 6.0 came out and I was thinking about trying the ppc version. [17:14] although, you could have been running -BETA or -RC [17:14] and then I'd be impressed again :) [17:15] Maybe I am mistaken. [17:16] oh well, I think you're the only other *BSD user I've met here.. [17:16] Or did you mean 5.4? That sounds familiar, I think. [17:16] 5.4's been out for quite a while.. [17:17] That is probably it then. [17:17] I've been running Open since 2.4, and FreeBSD since 3.1 [17:18] I used to run linux (and still do in some places, and I use many many linux machines on campus) [17:18] but I got sick of the cross dependancy hell of linux.. [17:18] I love the ports collection. But Gentoo is just so beutiful. Plus I'm getting into kernel hacking and the current book that I have is a mook about the Linux kernel. [17:18] !! [17:18] if you're getting into kernel hacking, please use open :) [17:18] why? [17:18] its got a *BEAUTIFUL* kernel.. [17:18] its really a work of art and correctness [17:19] and the man pages are correct, and informative. [17:19] I was planning on grokking linux kernel development, then trying my hand at helping with the HURD. [17:19] :) [17:21] well, thats an unusual goal.. [17:22] but whatever gets you up in the morning. [17:22] Well, the true goal is to get a job that I actually enjoy. [17:22] I think the experience will help me get there. [17:22] thats tougher :) [17:23] Tell me about it. [17:23] I either wan a job writing very low level C and assebly, or writing Common LISP. [17:23] I'll take any lisp though, I suppose. [17:24] Or making video games, of course. [17:24] hrm. [17:24] you met pk yet? [17:24] I don't think so, [17:26] he's a lispie too.. [17:26] Ah. Cool. [17:26] he's kinda scary clueful [17:26] Clueful? [17:27] yeah.. he's scary smart [17:27] Ah. I wish I was super smart. [17:28] I just tell myself I am, I'm too stupid to realize its a lie :) [17:29] :) I suffered from that problem all the way up through college, until I realized I was never as smart as I though I was. [17:29] yeah, it gets better when you start working at a university or something.. [17:30] you realize pretty quickly that this is not a typical selection of people :) [17:30] bvowk: paul k...? [17:30] five: yup [17:31] Yeah, I spend so little time with "normal peaople" I forget what the general population is like. I had to go out into the public with my brother the other day to get some food, and I was like "Dude, normal people are wacky." [17:32] They dress absolutley RIDUCULUS. [17:32] lol [17:33] well, there are enough undergrads here that they don't seem that silly [17:34] but its funny when you talk about someone being an idiot and you realize that they're likely in the 90+ percentile for intelligence.. [17:34] I think it depends on major too. We rarely had "others" in the science building, but there would be some class that they would have to take and I would see them all piling out of class and I'd be like "You guys aren't from around here, are you?" [17:34] Yeah. [17:34] I expect you rarely had women in the compsci building too :P [17:35] Interestingly, there were more than I expected. All stunningly attractive, too. A couple model quality. [17:35] hrm.. [17:35] lucky you.. [17:36] Heh, I have been with my wife since high school, so it didn't really matter to me much. [17:36] we had like 300 students in * engineering when I started, and there were about 6 women in that entire group.. [17:36] and only 3 of them were recognisable as women without close inspection [17:36] :) [17:38] to see women, you had to go to the tower, which was where they taught accounting :) [17:39] I rarely intereacted with "others" but when I had to take a GE class, there would be a much larger percentage of females. [17:41] ever used silc heath? [17:41] Nope. I use irssi, googling silc now. [17:42] For some reason I read silc as having an "irc" in it and assumed it was an irc client. [17:44] Join: sf joined #corewars [17:44] Hello [17:45] Hello. [17:45] Are you working on anything new Heath? [17:45] heya SF [17:45] how's it going today? [17:45] Not since Gogo, which didn't turn out to be such a hot idea after all. [17:45] Hi Bvowky [17:45] I have an idea rolling around in my head right now,m though. [17:47] so heath, C and lisp? anything else? [17:47] Languages that I know you mean? [17:47] yeah [17:47] Perl, C++ [17:47] I'm going to guess perl and php, and java? [17:47] Java, but I absolutely despise it. [17:48] were you CS'd before or after the javafication [17:48] The lousy CS program at Cal Poly is Java based, so I was forced into learning it. [17:48] you poor bastard [17:48] It is quite possibly one of the lamest languages ever created. [17:48] heh [17:49] you played with python? [17:49] So combuer some, I want to barf. [17:49] I wrote a vertex exporter for blender on python once, but that is about it. [17:50] I looked a little at ruby as well. [17:50] I've got a slide rule now :) [17:50] pythons kinda fun, it takes about an afternoon to learn the basics.. [17:50] For high level, it is all about the lisp. If you need scripting type, all about the Perl. [17:50] the other stuff like the generators and stuff, they can bend some peoples minds.. [17:51] I've found I actually like python better for scripting now than perl.. [17:51] my perl scripts tend to bite me in the ass if I have to maintain them.. [17:51] Nice, Loren is 2nd on the nano hill [17:51] but python I seem to be able to just pick the code back up and go with it [17:51] Hmm. [17:52] Some day I may look back into it, but for now I am going to sharpen my C skills on kernel hacking. [17:52] likely a good idea [17:53] sf: hrm.. I better get moving or I'm going to be off the nano hill and nobody will remember my name [17:54] You're 8th, not so bad :) [17:54] And who is hwm? [17:54] heath: how long have you been hanging out here anyway? [17:54] yeah, but I used to have like a dozen entries! [17:55] brx-: I don't know, maybe like a week or two? [17:56] heath: were you the guy who found the link to my ratpoison ws script in a koth.org chatlog? [17:56] No, I don't think so. [17:57] (sidenote: it is remarkable how many beautiful girls are studying math) [17:57] ah, then it was somebody else. [17:58] After going thorugh school, It seems to me that youth is a primary factor is beauty. Most women were hot when they were young. [18:00] ((compared to cs, which as far as I can tell is not too popular among females)) [18:01] There were more than I had expected in my CS program. And they were mostly quite attractive. As I said before, a couple model quality. [18:02] I think I have run into 4 different females on the cs level in our building so far. counting those who only take it as a secondary subject and do math mainly [18:02] One in particular was absolutely amazing. I remember listing this on guy trying to hit on her, and making a complete fool of himself. [18:02] But she was digging it anyway. [18:03] s/listing this on/listening to this one/ [18:03] I really need to proofread before hitting enter. [18:05] He was like: "I have been burning the candle at both ends lately." [18:05] And then he said: "Have you ever heard that phrase before?" [18:06] And she was like: "No I haven't." [18:06] And he proceeded to explain it to her. But his explanation was completely inaccurate. [18:06] It was busting me up. [18:07] what does it mean anyway? [18:08] http://www.bartleby.com/59/4/burnthecandl.html [18:08] origin? [18:09] http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=20010622 [18:10] http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/shut_up.jpg [18:11] :) [18:39] MSG: Quit: I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information. [18:44] Join: sf joined #corewars [18:44] wow! sf.. so nice to see you again, its like you've been gone for *AGES* [18:45] Hi Bvowky, nice to see you too :) [19:06] heath, you still around? [19:07] * bvowk prods heath with a slide rule.. wake up! [19:12] Hey, that's my slide rule [19:12] I'm just borrowing it... keep your pants on! [19:13] It's not a weapon or a toy, leave it alone [19:13] * bvowk pokes sf with the slide rule too [19:14] * bvowk wields a sliderule! [19:14] * bvowk hits! [19:14] * bvowk hits! [19:14] * bvowk hits! [19:22] bvowk playes to much nethack [19:22] its true [19:22] * bvowk throws a potion of confusion at fiveop! [19:23] :) [19:50] * sf waves [19:50] MSG: Quit: I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information. [19:54] And I'm back from lunch. Did I miss anything? [19:58] Woah. I just got an email from boeing asking my to fill in a job application. [19:58] s/my/me/ [19:59] coughscamcough [19:59] heath: how many epsilon jokes do you know? [20:01] datagram: That is what I thought at first. Then I remembered that I had talked to a specific division of theirs about employment a few months ago. I guess it just took them this long to get back to me. [20:02] I see [20:02] brx-: epsilon jokes? Like, oh no, I think I left my Epsil on. [20:02] heath: .. not quite like that I think :) [20:02] but maybe something like: "oh no, I have lost my epsilon and am unable to find it again" [20:03] the most popular epsilon joke appears to be: "let epsilon be less than zero" [20:03] Seeing as how the email address is @cdgnow.com, I was like What?, but then I realized it was Continental DataGraphics, a place that I had talked to before. [20:04] brx-: I think it would be like, I keep looking for a symbol, but I just keep finding epsilon. [20:04] s/be/be more/ [20:05] ah, that's not bad [20:05] well. [20:05] it _is_ bad [20:05] but in the context of epsilon jokes :) [20:08] How about: Keep a lookout for that epsilon in the beginning, you know the one right in frong of the looping finish state. It's a real doosey. [20:08] s/frong/front/ [20:08] Err. Maybe not, that joke was funnier in my head. [20:21] got any interesting hobbies heath? [20:23] I play recorder, and ocarina. [20:23] You? [20:23] and what? [20:23] Ocarina? [20:24] http://www.ocarina.it/index.htm [20:26] ok.. [20:26] thats an unusual hobby. [20:26] I do very little of interest, other than write bad code to run on piles and piles of machines... [20:26] most of the time, it produces even uglier code that I send to the corewar hills and get lucky sometimes. [20:26] :) [20:27] I actually just started getting formal lessons on recorder. My teacher just loaned me a Kung bass. [20:27] and I play a mean game of {quake 1-4, doom 1-3, CS, Unreal, and TA} [20:27] The worth of which is approximately $1,000 USD. [20:28] hrm [20:28] I haven't played an fps in ages. [20:28] I do play StarCraft, though. [20:28] some co-workers and I play pretty regularily.. [20:28] I'm currently the overlord in all games.. [20:29] although, my chess game needs to improve or they'll start beating me there.. [20:30] oh.. dont forget street fighter and samurai shodown :) [20:30] :) [20:30] I haven't played street fighter since Jr. High. [20:31] although, the campus bar that furnishes those machines isn't open during the summer.. [20:31] Man, that game was great. Dhalsam was my favorite character. [20:31] dhalsam? [20:31] good lord, you must have been pasted [20:31] The witchdoctor guy, with the stretching arms. [20:31] yeah.. [20:31] I'm an unbeatable guile and ken.. [20:31] although I'm better with guile.. [20:32] I miss my dragon punch sometimes facing towards the left [20:32] I used to like guile too. He's the guy with the yellow flattop right? [20:32] yup.. [20:32] something about the way my wrist has to move.. [20:32] luckily, once I get on 1st player side, I can usually hold it all night.. [20:33] the funny part is, that I've played enough street fighter that I get better the more drunk I get, right up until I start vomiting.. [20:33] Wow, that sounds rough. [20:33] quite entertaining when playing for beers.. :) [20:34] not really.. [20:34] however, its easy to lose track when someone keeps topping your glass up and you're busy beating people.. [20:36] That sounds dangerous. [20:36] don't worry, the bar is right next to the university hospitals emergency ward [20:37] a stomach pump is mere minutes away. [20:37] (I'm just kidding) [20:38] :) [20:38] saves me a pile of money on beer tho! [20:40] its too bad there's no money in sharking street fighter like there is in pool [20:41] Hehe. [20:42] I'm told fizmo is an impressive pool player.. [20:42] I seem to lack the nack for it. [20:43] Yes, I'm not very good at it. [20:43] I've always wanted a pool table of my own, however. [20:43] my friend used to have one.. and we played constantly for one summer.. but I never got much better.. [20:44] good enough to beat most people I'd play at the bar, but notwhere near as good as the rest of them got.. [20:44] I was glad when we switched back to computer games so I could win again :) [20:46] :) [20:46] I'm actually starting work on a GBA game right now. I'll let you know how it goes. [20:47] GL [20:47] bbiaw [20:47] Ok. [20:48] GBA? [20:49] what type of game? [20:49] fiveop: I haven't settled yet. At first I'm just going to make a few tests, but then I'm thinking of either a zelda style game, or an old-style graphic adventure. [20:50] Gameboy Advance. [21:12] MSG: Quit: humhum [21:56] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [23:29] * brx- stretches [23:31] hai2brx [23:31] * brx- is only here for a cigarette break [23:32] Cigarettes are bad for you, bro. [23:33] they keep me going. I'd rather live for a short while than not to live at all. [23:34] also, tomorrow will be hell. I am not going to get much (or any) sleep at all. [23:34] Hmm, but wouldn't you like to live to see your grandchildren's weddings than live a short time? [23:35] where are my grandchildren going to come out of? [23:35] They'll come along sooner than you expect. [23:35] let's not kid ourselves here, I will die alone [23:35] and I will live alone [23:35] :( [23:35] not sad! :) [23:36] cigarette break over. back to math. [23:36] later [23:36] Have fun. [23:36] tanushi