[05:02] MSG: [05:15] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [05:28] Join: heath joined #corewars [05:28] sf: Use CSS, float: left; in particular. [05:28] You could probably do a table { float: left; } and take care of it. [05:29] I don't have time to check, I just figured that I would put this in the log for you. [05:30] hi heath [05:30] If that doesn't work, you could probably wrap each of the necessary tables in a classed div, and style that with the float left. [05:30] Hey Mizcu. [05:30] If you need an example, get my email from bvowk, and I'll see if I can whip something up. [05:30] Bed time now. :) [05:31] MSG: Client Quit [06:31] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [09:34] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [09:37] Join: asw joined #corewars [10:07] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [10:07] :) [10:09] . [10:09] I knew you would write that :) [10:09] sherlock [10:11] datagram! Wake up! [10:33] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [10:35] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [10:35] .o0O0o. [12:19] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [12:20] Hi Core_old :) [13:26] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [13:27] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [15:42] Join: heath joined #corewars [15:47] Join: bvowk joined #corewars [15:48] * bvowk zaps a crystal wand at heath! [15:49] * bvowk 's magic missiles strike heath! [15:50] * bvowk 's magic missiles hit the wall! The missiles bounce off! [15:50] * bvowk 's magic missiles strike heath! [15:50] heath is killed! [15:51] * bvowk #offers the heath corpse on the chaotic altar [15:51] * bvowk 's sacrifice is consumed in flames! [15:51] * bvowk eyes datagram [15:51] * pak21 thinks bvowk will be in trouble for sacrificing his own race. Unless he's chaotic? [15:51] * bvowk is good with the evil.. [15:52] besides, I'm elven remember :) [15:54] bvowk sees an object appear at his feet ---More--- You see here: an elven dagger named Sting [15:54] anyone else here elven? Demon summoning is a huge bonus :) [15:54] bah.. sting.. [15:55] * bvowk engraves "This Sucks" on string with his blessed +2 athame named MagicBane [15:55] er.. s/string/sting (same damage tho) [15:56] You'll get Orcrist next if you're really lucky [15:56] heh [15:58] wait! trollbane.. thats what I need.. and then something lame like giantslayer [15:59] werebane.. (although that can be handy in hell) [16:00] it sucks you have to really be crowned and have sacrificed pretty much everything living before the gods start handing out spellbooks [16:00] it'd be nice sometimes if they'd just pony up the good stuff [16:00] nothing like the old finger of death to get things done. [16:01] With careful luck management, you can avoid ever being crowned and just pray for spellbooks / protection for ever. [16:01] I know.. [16:02] but like I said.. you've gotta have the whole collection of artifacts, including the spoon set and tea cozy before they'll give you the good stuff :) [16:02] and there's only 240 good unicorns and 120 of your own race to sacrifice [16:02] Pudding farming if you really care. [16:03] I don't bother.. I'm already an extinctionist.. [16:04] if it can be killed and sent to anhur, I'm gunna do it until we run out. [16:04] makes the end game really interesting.. [16:04] there's like the horsemen.. and thats pretty much it [16:04] damn, my keyboard borked [16:05] or the batteries died [16:05] The real trick is to get rid of the riders... [16:05] * pak21 is going home now [16:06] yes, but what extinctionist doesn't kill all the horsemen 255 times? [16:06] it'd be just sloppy to not try at that point :) [16:06] mizcu: wireless keyboard? [16:06] y [16:06] bah. [16:07] I hope you don't type anything too interesting with that.. [16:07] i got backup, no disaster [16:07] someone showed me a wireless keyboard reader that worked from across the vancouver harbor at CSW [16:07] (although it was tough to aim apparently :) [16:08] good range for a device that was only supposed to work for 20' :) [16:08] logitechs wirelesses have encryption (not enabled by default..) [16:09] yes, except pretty much every crypto module *EVER* rolled out for pc hardware has been just slightly more than worthless [16:09] (and not enabled by default) [16:10] actually, funny story.. [16:10] yesterday I was looking for rogue AP's on campus.. and someone apparently had a job at a pulp mill.. [16:10] and they had their wireless network connected to the VPN box the pulp mill people did, and all the traffic was being sent over the VPN to come out on the pulp mills network.. [16:11] the saddest part of all, was that they appear to have had control systems on that network too!!! [16:11] so we handed out a big sack of clue to the company in question. [16:12] you dont use cluebats/hammers? [16:12] you could almost hear the mental screams of horror from the lan admin as he worked through the idea that any number of random kids in rez had been anonymously abusing his production network.. [16:12] would have been nice to have delivered that in person.. instead of over the phone.. [16:13] I bet he hung up and started crying [16:15] (ok, so maybe I'm a little cruel, but if you're using windows and crisco on your production PLC network, you've kinda flagged yourself as someone who needs to be educated through "peer" (being very kind here) mocking. [16:16] nothing convinces people to change like someone laughing at them. [16:17] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:17] * bvowk wonders if sf will be by this morning. [16:18] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [16:19] damn non-grounded sockets [16:19] heh [16:19] Just shorted my 'puter with keyboard plug and 1mm misaim [16:19] oopsie. [16:20] so, my wife and I were talking about buying a house this morning.. [16:20] and I mentioned I'd like a fairly big yard.. [16:20] and she was like.. wtf for?! you don't go outside, and you hate grass.. [16:20] and I said "so I can put a chilled water loop in for my server room" [16:22] She must've had quite an interesting look on her face [16:22] it took some convincing, but she eventually came onboard :) [16:22] yeah, it was pretty good. [16:22] eh, this second keyboard is brown of crap, gotta fetch some poison to clean up [16:23] hrm. [16:23] actually.. I don't want to know. [16:24] damnit, and now i spent two high-quality cd's on a crap image [16:24] GRR [16:24] why use high quality cd's? [16:25] the crappy ones are mere pennies and they last just about as long.. [16:25] and I generally only use them for boot disks anyways :) [16:25] 'caus i dont have any cheap ones within 10 meters of me [16:25] ahh [16:29] anyone doing anything exciting? [16:35] anyone at all? [16:35] anyone done anything exciting ever? [16:35] quite unprobable [16:35] anyone have dreams of doing something exciting in the future? [16:35] so, now im out of cd's and dvd's.. [16:35] gotta order some [16:35] its a rough life :) [16:35] I buy my DVD's by the 100 spindle [16:36] I burn alot to give to people so they can take their data with them when they leave [16:36] they're awfully cheap that way :) [16:37] If i recall right, Canada had extra taxes on writables, or am i completely wrong? [16:38] yeah [16:39] on the other hand, criaa can't sue us for copywrong violations [16:39] 40.90e 100 'o dvd+-r [16:39] although, there are many fewer music pirates than one might expect. [16:39] canadians like their compact disks [16:39] we got horrible extra-prices here too, but that hasnt stopper people [16:39] jesus.. 40e for 100? [16:41] sorry.. thats about right.. [16:41] Like the company from which i got that 40.90, its a Finnish company which keeps a small branch in Estonia where there are no extra prices, and because they ship stuff daily back and forth, there are no extra shipping costs either. [16:41] I'm at 40.30e for 100 [16:41] with our tax tho [16:41] Those that really want a million writables cheap will order from Germany [16:42] I buy mine from a computer store that looks like its run out of a shipping container [16:43] 25 pieces is 64e here with taxes [16:43] I'm sure they've got a dozen stolen children working in the back to keep the overhead low [16:44] (did i hear anyone say "RIPOFF" with that second example?) [16:45] :) [16:46] damn you mizcu.. [16:46] I went to look up prices now I want to buy computers [16:47] earlier today i followed discussion about linux-unix-solaris and i got a hunch to buy a dual-Slot 1 MB to pimp up my crapmachine [16:48] but cheapest i found quickly was ~60e, which i certainly wont pay for so old stuff [16:48] (founded on local ebay-clone) [16:48] slot 1?! [16:48] wtf are you running? [16:49] Not on this machine, that is [16:49] that crapmachine on the table [16:49] ok.. [16:49] just checking :) [16:49] 2*p2-400, hot baby hot [16:49] (or not) [16:51] I had one of those in oh.. 1999 :) [16:51] actaully.. I think I had about 5 of them. [16:51] we've had people throwing away 2Ghz machines here :) [16:52] (don't worry, they don't get thrown away, they get re-used by those who don't have bottomless pockets) [17:16] Ouch. [17:16] * heath rubs his head. [17:16] Those magic missles sure smart. [17:26] Ok, finally read through todays log. You guys wre quite talkitive a while ago. [17:26] What happened? [17:52] we ran out of subjects [17:52] Ah. [17:53] I'm hungry. But there is an hour until lunch time. [18:12] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [18:40] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [18:40] :) [18:40] h F [18:41] Mizcu: You've already used less letters :) [18:41] bvowk: You are playing too much nethack [18:58] Lunch time. [18:58] huh? [18:58] ok, wrong time zone :) [19:01] time for bash.org :) [19:06] I'm back for a bit. [19:06] My car won't start so my wife has to come pick me up for lunch. [19:08] heath: What the distance between your future lunch and the place, where you are now? [19:08] about 8 minutes. [19:08] and in meters? [19:08] Well, lets see... [19:09] ~ 12874 meters [19:09] Don't tell me you've just converted miles to meters [19:09] Yes. [19:09] lol [19:10] Well, she should be very close now. Time for me to go. We can continue this converstiona upon my return. [19:10] k [19:11] hmm ... 8 miles [19:44] Stupid me! The 4th chapter of Dune 7 is out and I still haven't read it :) [19:59] MSG: Quit: humhum [20:30] I'm back. [20:35] 80 minutes for 16 miles + lunch [20:36] Seems ok. No? [20:37] I actually got back at 13:17, but I showed my wife around for a while before I came back to irc. [20:39] My house is actually probably more like 5 miles away, instead of the 8 that I previously stated. It takes about 8 minutes to get here from there, but there is no way I travel at 60mph on city streets. [20:39] It's probably less than 5 miles, too, now that I think about it. [20:42] I wonder, what will happen if using mile/inch/... would be forbidden [20:42] In this channel, or in the world? [20:43] everywhere [20:43] The trouble is, of course, that imperial units have been infused into my intuition. [20:43] As well as most other Americans. [20:44] I would love to use menaingful units, but I have no intuitive use for them. [20:44] I have no idea how long a kilometer is. [20:44] about 0.63 mi :) [20:45] Man, a's seem to be sluggish for me today. At least that one was only 1 character behind. [20:45] Fluffy: Yes, but what about 20 kilometers? [20:45] you only have to multiply 20 by 0.63 :) [20:45] which is an easy enough task [20:45] I usually say "It's a little more than half that in miles." [20:46] But that is far from ideal. [20:46] as is multiplying by pi [20:46] So i'd guess it's like 12 miles. Let's see how good my guess is. [20:46] 12.4, pretty good, I guess. [20:47] Why are you guessing? [20:47] I wanted to test my intuition, of course. [20:47] The trouble is that it would be much better to think in SI than have to always convert to my natural system. [20:48] Just like it would be better to actually think in a foreign language than to have to keep translating in your head. [20:48] Thinking in a foreign languages is easy. It comes with time [20:48] But you are european. I, sadly, have only really been exposed to one language my whole life. [20:49] But that is the start of another problem then [20:49] I often read english sentences and understand every word, but can translate it [20:49] A little bit of spanish here and there, and some japanese and lojban, but nothing that even comes close to basic fluency. [20:49] It only "feel" the meaning of the sentence [20:49] hehe lojban :) [20:50] You know about lojban? [20:50] Maybe that is where I know you from. [20:50] It seems to be, that there is a strong relation between corewar and lojban :) [20:50] :) [20:50] Let's see ... [20:51] mi'e la .flufis. [20:51] sounds about right [20:51] err [20:51] only too many dots :) [20:52] No, that is right. [20:52] It should be "mi'e la flufis." [20:52] you can never have too many glottal stops around a cmene. [20:52] la xit. mintu le pa nanmu [20:53] I've forgotten almost everything and have to use a dictionary [20:53] So do i. [20:53] http://www.lojban.org/jboski/ [20:54] I know [20:54] That is my funny lojban joke. [20:56] I haven't done anything with lojban for months. [20:57] I do have CLL though. [20:57] But it just takes too much study time. [20:57] You've actually bought it? [20:57] Yeah. [20:58] It's really high quality, binding wise. [20:58] A true believer then [20:58] The pictured inside are utterly cheesy, though. [20:58] s/pictured/pictures/ [20:58] Well, I thought it was really cool for a time. [20:58] I don't about sed ;-) [20:59] It is quite interesting, but you can't talk to anybody about it [20:59] Yeah, except fellow nerds. [20:59] They always think, that you are stupid or stoned or both [20:59] But the same happen when I talk about Esperanto [21:00] s [21:00] Yeah, or that you are a total nerd with too much time on your hands. [21:01] At least with Esperanto you don't need much time [21:02] But the reason why lojban is so cool is that it is based on predicate calculus. I was drawn because of that beauty, not necessarly because of that fact that it was constructed. [21:03] And that's the problem. Try to explain the beauty of and LL(1) grammar to an "outsider" [21:03] *an [21:03] *a [21:03] damn English ;-) [21:03] :) [21:03] I think "an" is correct. [21:04] you should know it ;-) [21:04] English is so complex that it can only be understood by the intuition earned from many years of constant submersion. [21:06] I've only learned and use(d) it, because the translations of my favourite books are so bad, that you want to kill yourself [21:06] Interesting. [21:06] But sometimes you get rewards. [21:06] Yes, like meing multilingual. [21:07] I so wish that I could speak more that one language. [21:07] It's been fun to read Harry Potter before the German translation was out [21:07] I have never read any of the Harry Potter books. [21:08] You could see the jealousy in the eyes of the "poor" kids [21:08] who had to wait for the translation [21:08] Ever since I was a kid, I would think that if I got three wishes, one of them would be to have the ability to fluently understand and speak every human language. [21:08] Hehe. [21:08] nah, then you would miss all the fun [21:09] I am an instant gratification kind of guy. Haven't you noticed? [21:09] Learning a new language is quite interesting [21:09] Knowing a new language might not always be nice [21:09] Yes, I just wish I had the time and mitivation to really follow thorough on it. [21:09] I can still remember the first day, that I understood, that you couldn't translate "Intelligence and intelligence - two sides of a coin" into German [21:10] Listening to Finns try English makes me want to cry [21:10] You really cant translate that? [21:10] Why not? [21:10] You can translate it, but then you'd have to expalin a lot [21:11] You have to use two different words for the first and second "intelligence" [21:11] but then nobody would understand, why it is "two sides of a coin" [21:12] The would is just lost then [21:12] *meaning [21:12] Do you know the word "gemutlich"? [21:12] Like: "Thinking of a coin as the hypothetical concept of mutual exclution, think of intellegence as being on one side of the coin, and intellegence on the other. This sentece explores this concept." [21:13] No, what does it mean? [21:13] that's the problem [21:13] After World War II the word was borrowed from German [21:13] (at least in Greate Britain) [21:14] it means sth. like comfy [21:14] but has not quite the same meaning as "gemutlich" [21:14] sth? [21:14] So they took the word "gemutlich" instead [21:14] Maybe I should move to Germany so that I will have a much greater motivation to learn German. [21:15] hehe, no it wouldn't [21:15] That is why lojban is so great, to explore the Shapir-Whorf hypothesis. [21:15] In every big city you can normally live quite well without speaking German [21:16] Really? [21:16] Yes, I think so [21:16] You'll meet lots of people, who don't speek a word of English [21:17] But you'll find lots of people, who know two (or even more) English words ;-) [21:17] Well, in California at least, I think you could get by alright without speaking english. [21:17] But anywhere else, I think you would be screwed if you had to spend too much time there. [21:18] like "Hello" and "Whazzup?" [21:18] ? [21:18] What's wrong with "hello"? [21:18] I was saying that might be one of the words the average person knew. [21:18] I could use "Be greeted, earthling!" as well :) [21:19] :) [21:19] I am hoping to move to Washington, actually. The trouble is getting a job there. [21:20] Any good jobs in Germany? [21:20] What's so special about Washington? I mean apart from being the capital city? [21:20] Oh no, not Washington DC, normal Washington, on the other coast. It's great there. Green, not hot. [21:21] k [21:21] I live in souther california right now. [21:21] The other Washington is top right, isn't it? [21:21] This is the time where it is not uncommon for it to get in the upwards of 104 degrees fahrenheight. [21:21] I mean top right of American [21:21] and in centigrade? [21:22] Washington DC is in the top right. Normal Washington is the very top left corner. [21:22] to left [21:22] stupid me [21:22] 40 degrees C, I guess. [21:23] Yeah, 40 degrees. [21:23] too hot [21:23] Tell me about it. [21:23] I like about 14 degrees :) [21:23] That's my perfect temperature [21:23] And out air conditioner is not working at full capacity. [21:24] hehe ... air conditioner [21:24] Ah, I wish it was that cold right now. [21:24] They aren't spread here [21:24] at least not for private use [21:24] In washington, it is a bout 17 right now, I think. [21:24] You just have to live with it, when it is hot [21:25] Yep. [21:25] At least at work it is cool. Sometimes too cool. They crank the air conditioner up at ESRI. [21:25] esri? [21:26] Luckily I have three machines in my office to bring the temp up to a comfortable level. [21:26] Never heard of ESRI? [21:26] nope [21:26] http://www.esri.com/ [21:26] They are the larges GIS company in the world. [21:27] There are probably a lot of companies, which are really big and nobody has heard about [21:28] I guess so. I never really heard of ESRI until I was in high school. And I live in the same city of it's head quarters. I didn't really know how big they were until I applied here, as well. [21:28] :) [21:30] I want to make video games, though. [21:31] Then make them :) [21:31] As every CS student does. [21:31] Yeah, I think I am going to start working on a GBA game soon. [21:31] I don't think, that it would be fun (for me) [21:31] Reallyu? [21:31] Yes [21:32] Interesting. [21:32] why? [21:32] I want to make video games for a living, though. Not just a hobby. [21:32] That'll probably take the fun out of it [21:33] Just interesting. I thought every CSer wanted to make video games. Just like every civil engineering student wants to design bridges. [21:33] That are just stereotypes [21:33] :) [21:34] My dad is a civil engineer, by the way, so as not to sound likea complete ass. [21:34] I think it would be more fun, so that I could colaborate with people, and get paid for building sweet stuff. [21:34] I only want to be paid. [21:35] :) [21:35] I get paid, but I can't stand my job. I just want to be productive and feel like I am what I do. [21:36] hmm ... let's see [21:36] What do I like most? [21:37] Be the first one to increate the Earth-Destruction-Counter [21:38] Yes, I could live with being paid for that [21:38] Did you really mean to say "increate"? It's not a verb. Or was that your joke? [21:38] *increase [21:38] ah. [21:38] Such an counter exists [21:39] Oh yeah? [21:39] http://qntm.org/destroy [21:40] Is it Cthulu's alarm clock? [21:41] http://qntm.org/board [21:41] There's the actual counter [21:41] current earth-destruction alert level: green [21:42] That's one of my favourite sites [21:43] dhmo.org is almost as good [21:44] Oh, I was thinking counter as in a countdown timer. I thought you wanted to increase it to give us all some more time. [21:45] No, that wouldn't be fun. [21:46] On the other hand it would be quite boring afterwards [21:47] I always find it interesting when I read about the usual sci-fi ways to destroy sth. [21:48] probably my sense of humor is very distorted [21:49] Seems so. [21:49] But you would probably be interested in this: [21:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo [21:51] interesting [21:51] Part: Core_old left #corewars [21:52] But probably it will be quite unintersting [21:52] sth. like proton decay [21:55] I read about an ark that people want to build to save humanity in case of a catastrophe. I am having trouble finding it again though. [21:55] I think you would be into it. [21:55] http://lifeboat.com/ex/main [21:56] Might be them. [21:56] No, I wouldn't [21:56] Then I would miss the first earth destruction [21:56] (and maybe the second ;-) [21:56] http://lifeboat.com/ex/arki [21:56] There it is. [21:57] And it wouldn't be any fun. [21:58] Think of an ark entirely filled with rich people [21:58] (and only rich people will be on the ark) [21:58] Yup. Or maybe "the chosen ones". Very Moonrakerish. [21:59] That reminds me of another wish. [21:59] To have enough money to buy an entire city like Berlin [21:59] I'd buy it, level everything [21:59] and plant some trees [21:59] just to annoy everybody [22:00] Dude, you cant take a city with so much history like that. [22:00] Annoying everybody is in my eyes the only reason to have much money [22:00]