[00:04] See you guys tomorrow. [00:04] MSG: Quit: Home time. [07:19] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [08:03] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [08:29] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [12:39] "It seems that all AM2 CPUs were outfitted with a support for Reverse-HyperThreading, an architectural change which enables software to think that it is working on a single-core alone. By combining two cores, the company has been able to produce the six IPC "core" that will go head to head against four IPC "core" from Conroe/Merom/WoodCrest combo." [12:39] Dont know the source, copy-pasted it from other channel [13:07] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [13:07] :) [13:58] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:00] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [14:04] *ouch* [14:04] I've found a bug in my qscans :( [14:04] I've wasted about 1.0-1.5 points in all of my recent warriors [14:05] haha [14:05] ups [14:05] ;) [14:06] But at least I've found that bug now and of course I won't tell anybody about it [14:09] you just did [14:09] No, I only told you, that the bug exists, but it is very hard to find [14:11] but it's only in your qscans [14:11] I've published all my qscans. Maybe someone has just copied it. [14:11] *them [14:21] I know i havent ;) [14:22] I think I might've used one of yours in the CSET [14:23] Don't blame me. I've always written in my qscan-tutorials, that you should expect everything to be wrong [14:23] :) [14:34] http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060622143710.html <- source [14:36] I won't need that [14:36] MSG: Quit: humhum [14:37] If I start 2 instances of the PyCorewar MARS on my computer both run at almost full speed [14:37] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [14:38] That's why I all more multi-core cpus :) [14:55] hrm [14:55] all more multi-core? [14:55] eh? [14:56] syntax error near what you said [14:56] hehe [14:56] yes [14:56] *That's why I'm all for ... [14:56] hm [14:57] in two minutes the game with germany starts [14:57] Oh no, not again. [14:58] haha [14:58] I guess I'm going to the grocery soon [14:58] so yesterday I built the (afaik) first massively parallel sudoku solver. [14:59] For me it only means, that more stupid people are on the streets, which do even more stupid things [14:59] that's something the world was waiting for bvowk ! [14:59] bvowk: What would you do that? [14:59] Fluffy: another syntax error :P [15:00] I know, as solving the toughest puzzles took ones of twos of seconds! [15:00] huh? [15:00] I mean: fiveop: huh? [15:00] have you been drinking fluffy? [15:00] yes, milk [15:02] its a cute little solver tho.. [15:03] its around 30 lines of scheme :) [15:03] Now I know, what you could do, bvowk [15:04] yeah? [15:04] It is still unknown how many givens a sudoku needs at least to be solvable [15:04] 17 is the current min [15:04] very good fluffy.. thats exactly what I intend to do with it [15:04] You could become famous by finding one, which only need 16 givens [15:04] hehe [15:05] NOW YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME CREDIT AS WELL (if you find one) [15:05] ha! [15:05] lets see your code then! [15:05] oh wait.. I don't need any.. too late! [15:05] mock mock mock [15:05] Hey, I've already told you all, that I only provide IDEAS, but want to be paid nonetheless [15:06] heh [15:06] we might pony up if you had better ideas! [15:06] so how many computrons will you use for your new task? [15:07] I haven't started yet.. [15:07] I'm still testing my code [15:07] but I'll prolly use quite a bit [15:08] and what is your current max.? [15:08] I've got about 1100 machines [15:08] (that I have access to) [15:08] apparently the big O cluster is busy doing real work.. [15:08] someone might think you own a zombie-network from that comment [15:09] heh [15:09] Fluffy: a sudoku of what size? isn't that a rather simple mathematical problem? [15:09] ok, I have 1100 machines that I'm allowed to run jobs on at work.. [15:09] hehe ... now we have another task. Write a nice virus/worm, which steals cycles to run Redcode :) [15:09] fiveop 9x9, w/ 16 givens.. [15:09] fiveop: 9x9 [15:09] works out to about more puzzles than god could do in an afternoon. [15:09] hm [15:10] fiveop: Unfortunately it isn't an easy task [15:10] I'll calculate and prove the minimal number of givens until tomorrow [15:10] and they have to have exactly one solution.. [15:10] So far no way fast way in know to see, whether a sudoku is solvable without guessing the numbers (and backtracking on errors) [15:10] *is known [15:10] fiveop: ok, can I have second authorship on your paper then? [15:11] Fluffy: the backtracking on error thing leads to some nice ideas [15:11] I want it, too! [15:11] fiveop: If you can really do that, you'll become instantly famous [15:12] ... for about 2 seconds or so ;-) [15:12] 2 seconds of fame? [15:12] Damn! Germans are so stupid! [15:12] let's dedicate my life to it! [15:12] is it noisy in berlin? :P [15:12] yes :( [15:12] Someone who never talks to me via icq is just informing me about every goal ... [15:12] wth [15:13] damn football [15:14] hmm ... isn't it called soccer? [15:14] lol [15:14] only because of Americans who cant differentiate between carrying a kicking a ball [15:15] What are Americans? [15:15] +nd [15:15] people like bvowk [15:15] *ouch* [15:15] nuf said :P [15:15] fiveop: Run or it will hurt! [15:16] I wanted to go to the grocery anyways [15:21] time for a new test on 94nop [15:21] hey! [15:21] I'm a freaking canadian.. [15:21] hehe ... finally he's noticed it [15:22] we're the country huddled in fear hoping the american government won't nuke us when they find out we've got massive deposits of uranium. [15:23] the americans play gay football too.. [15:23] you could sell some to Iran and make $$$$ [15:23] its all stopping every 30 seconds.. slapping eachother on the ass.. drinking water handed out by boys.. [15:24] its a little like baseball, they run around with sticks, and have a guy featured in center of a ring, who needs to scratch himself every few seconds in full view.. [15:25] its just wrong. [15:26] lol [15:33] Now I would like to see two things happen. [15:33] 1. No electricity in Berlin for about 4 hours. [15:33] 2. Germany loosing the game. [15:33] That would be hell here :) [15:34] and probably fun to watch [15:43] and perhaps you would die in the course of the events, cause everybody freaks out [15:44] heh [15:44] fiveop: What sould I want to do that? [15:44] * bvowk riots and crushes fluffy beneath his bootheels [15:46] huh? [15:46] For a moment I've just received noise from you bvowk. Did you write anything to mention? [15:46] Fluffy: I don't say you freak out, I say everybody else freaks out [15:47] fiveop: I think he's been drinking.. he can appear to neither generate or parse valid syntax [15:47] er.. [15:47] s/he can appear/he appears to/ [15:47] <-- pot, kettle.. kettle, pot.. [15:47] be careful, it might be infectious [15:48] fiveop: I've only asked: What should I die, when everybody freaks out? [15:49] Fluffy: uncontrollable riots [15:49] cause your neighbour decides to transmit messages in morse with gun shots, cause there's no electricity [15:49] and as a coincidents he might hit someone! [15:49] my beautiful neighbour wouldn't do that [15:50] I think Mizcu's idea sounds more feasible [15:50] fluffy: ok, the old crusty one will. [15:50] lol [16:02] hrm. [16:04] Join: simple joined #corewars [16:05] Hi simple! [16:05] good afternoon fuffle [16:06] hey simple [16:06] haven't seen you in a while [16:07] No [16:08] But I saw in the log you was tal [16:08] But I saw in the log you was talking about minimum su doku [16:08] and thought I'd drop by [16:08] * Fluffy pokes datagram in both eyes for a long time [16:08] there is a web page about it somewhere [16:09] http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~gordon/sudokumin.php [16:10] oh no, not again :( [16:10] hey cool.. [16:10] 32k sudoku in one text file.. thats leet. [16:11] that's the one (: [16:11] I just randomly picked it from my list of booksmarks about sudoku [16:12] ok, if 32k of sudoku can't verify my code.. nothing will. [16:15] your code? [16:15] It was MY idea! [16:16] I think I can knock something up in Excel to do that [16:16] Just generate all possible complete grids [16:17] heh [16:17] oh, I think I can do something in this tool [16:18] just need to program in the dependencies [16:19] there are a number of ways to transform a Sudoku grid [16:19] 5,472,730,538 different sudokus [16:19] could seriously reduce that [16:19] (without symmetries, ...) [16:19] and transforms? [16:20] simple: you can just apply specific permutation matrices [16:20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_Sudoku#Enumeration_results [16:20] exchanging rows (mod 3) or columns (mod 3) or groups of 3 columns or rows [16:22] The site doesn't mention the transform where a subgrid unfolds to become a row [16:23] lets see how my reducer does (: [16:24] Yay, 25 :) [16:26] 19 [16:27] .7. 2.. ... [16:27] ... ..4 6.. [16:27] .1. ... ... [16:27] [16:27] ... .3. .1. [16:27] 4.. ... ... [16:27] 6.. ..2 ... [16:27] ... 71. ..3 [16:27] 5.2 ... 4.. [16:27] ... ... ... [16:28] you've written a reducer? [16:29] no just modified a spreadsheet which originally did something else (: [16:29] so you've somehow created a reducer :P [16:30] :) [16:31] Let's prove that 17 is the minimum number of givens! [16:31] See above, 16 givens [16:32] what [16:32] looking for a 15 [16:32] no one was able for one with 16 [16:32] .... [16:32] no one was able to create one ... [16:32] oh maybe I have a bug [16:33] that might be the case :P [16:35] Is there a Su Doku X with 8 givens? [16:37] hehe [16:37] nope [16:37] err .. maybe [16:39] What's the minimum known for a 6 by 6, an 8 by 8 and a 10 by 10? [16:42] don't know [16:42] But I've just thought of sth. else [16:43] Write a program, which uses all known solving techniques (except guessing) [16:43] and then search for a sudoku, which needs the max. number of steps to be solved [16:44] It would be quite frustrating to find a sudoku, which need more than 100000 steps to find the solution. [16:44] Probably a good way to drive everybody mad [16:44] wouldn't the number of steps be size of grid minus givens? [16:45] Don't think so. [16:46] Sometimes you need extra steps, where you don't get a new number, but just reduce the number of possibilites for one field [16:46] But I might be wrong, because I don't know all solving techniques [16:48] That task might be even tougher than looking for a sudoku with 16 givens [16:48] because there are so many ways to solve one sudoku [16:50] grrrr [16:51] to solve an sudoku with only 17 hints isn't that easy [16:51] I know, I regularly give up [16:52] nine givens (: [16:52] .56 ... [16:52] ... ... [16:52] [16:52] .3. ..6 [16:52] ... ..4 [16:52] [16:52] 3.. .1. [16:52] 2.. 4.. [16:52] no, a bug, I'd say :( [16:53] can you solve it? [16:53] If you can solve it there is no bug [16:53] then use one of the available online-solvers [16:54] for a 6 by 6? [16:54] that's a 6x6 [16:56] hehe ... I've just executed 180 billion Redcode instructions to benchmark one warrior [16:57] (all possible start positions) [16:58] question - is it possible to have 2 different completed grids with identical diagonals? [16:58] I think not [16:59] if true it could be very helpful [17:00] both diagonals make 17 givens [17:00] probably a hard questions [17:00] *question [17:10] Just downloaded software for my mobile - a guitar tuner (: [17:15] That'll probably help you solving the sudokus [17:26] simple: still trying to solve the 17 hint sudoku [17:29] :) [17:36] * simple waves (: [17:36] * Fluffy waves [17:36] MSG: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong [17:37] I'm near the end [17:37] Then greet your God from me ;-) [17:40] fiveop: Are you done now? [17:46] hrm [17:49] maybe i should join open source religion [17:49] Religion? [17:50] google is your friend [17:50] Yes, I know that "religion", but I don't like it [17:51] i dont like any either, but to have an evil enough reason to put on the reason why i leave the church [17:51] hehe [17:51] I only believe in one thing. [17:51] ok, two things [17:52] your bellybutton and money? [17:52] 1. People are stupid. [17:52] 2. .. and will always choose the worst solution to any problem. [17:52] That's for sure! [17:54] I can even prove both statements. [17:54] solved it! [17:54] wee ;) [17:54] :) [17:54] Have you also checked your solution? [17:55] I have done nothing like backtracking [17:55] But humans are error-prone [17:56] not me! [17:56] http://fiveop.homeip.net/sudoku.jpg [17:56] Fluffy: your belief says that its creator is also stupid [17:57] Mizcu: There is not creator. The universe itself is restricted to rules, which can only result in stupid beings. [17:57] *no [17:58] augh.. [17:58] so I think I've got a bug right.. [17:58] however, it turns out that people online are stupid. [17:58] and this sudoku has multiple solutions :/ [17:58] which? [17:58] hehe [17:58] don't take sudoku from random people on the net. [17:59] http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~gordon/sudoku.php [17:59] take these [18:00] http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~gordon/sudokumin.php [18:00] these [18:00] I solved the first one [18:01] And produced a huge amount of numbers on paper :P [18:02] Hey [18:02] It lives! [18:02] I'll try to have r4 up on sunday [18:02] DATA IS ALIVE [18:02] sorry about the delay...problems over here [18:03] hehe ... I know that kind of "problems" ;-) [18:03] Everything should be up tomorrow [18:03] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [18:03] hi hi [18:03] No results today, datagram? [18:04] Haven't done the pages yet [18:04] Hi Fizmo! [18:04] hi @ all [18:04] ;-) [18:04] Hello [18:04] datagram: RESULTS! [18:04] hahaha [18:05] yesssss [18:05] at least results [18:05] no website update needed for that [18:05] This makes it more dramatic : ) [18:05] RESULTS!! [18:05] but I think I lost against Chip :-/ [18:05] * Fluffy kicks datagram [18:06] They'll be up later [18:06] I'm suuuuuuuuuuuper busy until later [18:06] * Fluffy kicks datagram again [18:08] ok ok [18:08] datagram [18:08] if I ever come to US [18:08] So the tournament is going on as normal, just move the dates +1 week : ) [18:08] datagram: RESULTS! [18:08] !!!!!!! [18:08] Fluffy, BALLS! [18:08] I'll kill uuuuuu, because u killed my nerves :-P [18:09] But first I'll keel him ;-) [18:09] * Fizmo says arrggghhhhhhhh [18:09] Fluffy, stierenscrotum! [18:09] looool [18:09] lol [18:09] :) [18:09] :-P [18:09] and germany in quarterfinal, yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [18:09] ole [18:09] If you give me 10 minutes to finish something I'll tell you your results... [18:10] ole ole oleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [18:10] * Fluffy kicks Fizmo and keels him [18:10] * Fizmo kicks back [18:10] Too late, I've already keeled you ;-) [18:12] /me peels Fluffy [18:13] hehe [18:13] * Fizmo looooools [18:14] * Fizmo shakes his head while singing Hard Rock Halleluja [18:14] * Fluffy runs away [18:15] * Fizmo rolling on the floor [18:16] . [18:16] datagram: Time is almost up! [18:16] RESULTS! [18:17] Join: Roy joined #corewars [18:17] Hi Roy :) [18:17] Hiya [18:18] hi Roy [18:19] datagram: Time is up! [18:19] Congrats Fiz,Fluff ;) [18:19] Roy: huh? [18:19] Beating sweden :P [18:19] We will be knocked out by Portugal tomorrow :( [18:20] Roy: Don't offend me. [18:20] hahahaha [18:20] I don't want to have any relation to THAT! [18:20] yeah, Portugal is a tough opponent [18:20] Ronaldo is always dangerous :( [18:21] and if win, maybe against england [18:21] * Fluffy decreses datagram's oxygen supply [18:21] then Brazil [18:21] and final against Germany [18:21] hahahahaa [18:21] And against Holland in the final :P [18:21] yeah [18:21] would be nice [18:22] we met in finals and Germany was getting Champion [18:22] :-P [18:22] Yeah, but we where better, thats what they always speak about in Holland ;) [18:23] I'm just thinking about how many people will die, if Germany looses [18:23] or wins [18:23] yeah, that too [18:23] But I far more like the idea, that some unknown country wins [18:24] Not as dangerous as scoring a own goal (?) when you live in Africa... [18:24] Australia, that would be cool :) [18:24] * Fizmo goes later downtown for some party with friends :-P [18:24] hehe ... that would be fun [18:25] Fizmo: Party as long as you can :) [18:25] They still have a change, final 16 ;-) [18:25] Wait..!! I have to make a new warrior, but I'm out of ideas :-P help! [18:25] Roy: Imp? [18:26] havent seen Nenad recently.. last time i saw him i gave him an interesting warrior to play with.. [18:27] ok, time to go [18:27] will read the results later in log [18:27] * Fluffy waves to Fizmo [18:27] but I guess I lost to Chip [18:27] :-/ [18:27] datagram: RESULTS! RESULTS! [18:28] Party on :) [18:28] :-P [18:28] oleeeeee ole ole oleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [18:28] cye all [18:28] * Fluffy keels Fizmo again [18:28] (psst, did Fizmo have a drink too much?) [18:29] I already :-P [18:29] * Fizmo waves drunken [18:29] hehe [18:29] so I take the subway [18:29] hehehehee [18:29] byebye [18:29] MSG: [18:31] * Roy shrucks.. [18:31] Glad I only speak to him on IRC ;-) [18:31] You do what? [18:32] Fluffy, Oh, you won because sf never submitted anything [18:32] *shrugs [18:32] lucky biatch [18:33] datagram: what? THAT'S UNFAIR! [18:33] Let me check though [18:33]