[04:51] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [04:52] iH [04:55] !yekirC [05:09] emit si emit ekil erif si erif [05:11] Nick Change: opracS changed nick to eminona [05:11] Topic Change: eminona sets topic: moc.ecapsta.raweroc - ku.oc.raweroc.www - ofni.raweroc.www - gro.htok.www ,DELIAME selur 4 dnuoR [05:11] crikey wow! [05:11] Hi [05:13] Part: eminona left #corewars [05:13] Topic Change: Mizcu sets topic: Round 4 rules EMAILED, www.koth.org - www.corewar.info - www.corewar.co.uk - corewar.atspace.com [07:10] MSG: [07:18] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [08:23] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [09:12] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [09:12] :) [09:14] hi [12:04] Join: bigk joined #corewars [12:05] hi [12:05] hi caesar [12:05] hi mizcu [12:05] how r u [12:05] Nick Change: bigk changed nick to caesar [12:05] had a migraine little time ago, but im ok now [12:06] yea that's okay~ [12:06] what about here [12:06] the koth channel [12:06] it has been quiet here [12:06] yea... [12:07] migraine? [12:07] But datagram just made a new tournament and it has been taking some of our time [12:07] A very bad headache [12:07] yea [12:07] so now it's feel better? mizcu [12:08] datagram..aha [12:08] im rember he [12:08] what's kind of tournament? [12:08] yes, i rested for a while [12:08] a person against person tournament [12:09] it is a "double elimination", so if somebody loses twice, they are out of the game [12:09] well, not the game, but out of the tournament [12:09] it's cool [12:09] ....but i dont understand,mizuc [12:09] mizcu [12:10] r u talk about the corewar ? [12:10] yes [12:10] so..... [12:10] look http://datagram.redcode.nl [12:10] okay [12:10] hi mizcu [12:11] i wana some book about corewarz [12:11] how can i find them [12:11] http://datagram.redcode.nl is datagram's home page? [12:11] there are no good books on paper about corewars [12:12] that is homepage for datagram's tournament [12:12] so the game just about code.... [12:12] there a theory game... [12:12] no gui [12:13] corewars is boring to normal people [12:14] that's hardly for normal people ithink [12:15] it's most like a program's game [12:15] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [12:15] dont u think so.u r a program,mizcu [12:15] and u work on linux. [12:16] Core size Min core size Max processes Max cycles Max length Min distance P-space size [12:16] --------- ------------- ------------- ---------- ---------- ------------ ------------ [12:16] 8022 8000 5800 80000 100 100 500 [12:16] Summary [12:16] ======= [12:16] Warrior Length Score Given W% L% T% [12:16] ------- ------ ----- ----- ------ ------ ------ [12:16] ()()() 0.35915 153.2 137.2 47.8 42.5 9.6 [12:16] That Thing 0.68055 152.2 87.8 30.7 9.2 60.0 [12:16] Tricky Switcher 0.43328 150.1 129.1 43.1 36.1 20.8 [12:16] LITD variant 0.40127 140.8 147.2 42.9 45.1 12.0 [12:16] Bunny Harmless Fluffy 0.68793 138.2 103.0 26.5 14.8 58.8 [12:16] R3JHB 0.70928 135.6 107.0 26.0 16.5 57.4 [12:16] Synthesis of Bvowkium Impoxide 70.72471 125.8 111.5 21.0 16.2 62.8 [12:16] Risk'o'matic 0.43820 117.4 149.1 28.0 38.5 33.5 [12:16] Deadly fluffyness 0.79035 114.7 119.2 16.2 17.7 66.1 [12:16] Binary Search 0.46706 98.7 177.8 25.1 51.4 23.5 [12:16] DatSmith 0.69659 93.4 151.2 12.7 31.9 55.4 [12:16] what's that mean,mizcu [12:16] results for a fight [12:16] under "Warrior" is the name of the warrior [12:17] okay [12:17] i got to go [12:17] You dont need to know what the number under "Lenght" is, because it is not the real lenght [12:17] bye mizcu [12:17] see u next time [12:17] ok, bye [12:17] u know...the 8022 is codesize.. [12:18] it's a big number.. [12:18] 8000 is common size [12:18] if u wana winner this code..then u will be need more codesize? [12:18] oh.... [12:18] so just 22 codes? [12:19] it's that mean most codesize will got advantage [12:19] Big size is not better [12:20] because some warriors search for other warriors, and it is hard to find little warriors [12:22] yea [12:22] now i clear more [12:22] it's not just a hardly game [12:23] u can find some fun in it [12:23] in the code [12:23] i think that's use redcode [12:23] many people want pretty looks and easy to play, redcode is not [12:25] not easy to play? [12:25] it's will be a hard lang? [12:26] the language is simple, but making good warrior is hard [12:26] corewars is 20 years old game, warriors have become a lot better in the 20 years [12:28] thank u mizcu [12:28] bye [12:28] Part: caesar left #corewars [12:29] if someone reading logs thinks that last discussion was weird, the reason is that Caesar is from China [12:47] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:55] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [12:56] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [13:44] Join: pak21 joined #corewars [14:22] MSG: Quit: Reconnecting [14:22] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [14:42] Join: sf joined #corewars [14:42] Hello [14:43] hiya sf [14:43] Any news today [14:43] quick visit going out for dinner [14:47] whats for dinner? [14:47] Don't know yet [14:48] I guess pasta or pizza [14:50] pizza here [14:50] :) [14:51] * bvowk just got out of bed.. [14:51] no supper here.. [14:51] hm [14:51] you live in gmt-7? [14:52] Have you seen this? [14:52] http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ [14:52] Guy made > $1 million in a few months [14:53] I should do this too [14:53] :) [14:53] I'll buy some from you fiveop [14:53] But not at $1 per pixel [14:54] but? [14:54] $10 per pixel? :P [14:55] 1c per pixel [14:55] You'll still make $10000 ;) [14:55] hm [14:55] 1 euro cent [14:55] that's more ;P [14:55] Sounds ok [14:55] Ok you make the page [14:56] I'll buy at least 1000 pixels from you [14:56] at 1c each [14:56] I don't think anyone would buy from me :P [14:57] to be invoiced after 50% of remaining pixels are sold ;) [15:02] Are webpages which show your IP address easy to make? [15:02] yeah.. pretty easy [15:04] "Thirdly... socks! I definitely need some new socks. Whenever I buy new ones they seem to disappear, or they disintegrate. So I want to buy some really expensive, long-lasting socks." [15:04] lol [15:04] bvowk: gmt-7? [15:04] yup [15:10] I might have a go at the 1,000,000 pixel thing [15:10] I see a few other people have [15:10] I'll give mine away free! [15:11] * sf waves [15:11] MSG: Quit: I don't like you. But Bersirc 2.2 does. Try it out now. [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ] [15:19] lol. [15:20] so we've got these kittens staying with us.. [15:20] kitties? [15:20] I've got a cup of coffee sitting onthe coffee table.. and the one waddles up, and takes a couple big licks out of it.. [15:21] doh. [15:21] like owner, like pet [15:21] no, they're only temporary pests. [15:21] they're from the local humane society.. when they're old enough to be adopted they go back [15:32] you think you can still give them back then? [15:32] or are you a dog-person? [15:33] heh [15:33] yeah.. they're foster kittens [15:33] supposed to make sure they're socialized and cute and playful so they get adopted.. [15:34] you leave them in a cage all day and they're not so cute nor cuddly [15:34] you? suppposed to do that? [15:34] so they send them out to people to take care of.. [15:34] yeah.. hard to believe huh? [15:34] your wife will be having a lotta job.. [15:34] heh [15:35] the one just about died.. she got sick and I had to keep injecting her with IV fluids [15:40] so, I keep seeing articles about how linux/bsd is never going to catch on because beginners just can't break through.. its too tricky. [15:41] but its the fault of the unix, and not the fault of the lazy beginner who can't be bothered to read the manual to maintain his wickedly complex pinacle of mans achievement in general purpose computing tool. [15:42] I'm wondering how exactly all those people can get it so backwards? [15:42] I mean, we don't read articles about piano's failing people because it takes years of work to become listenable.. [15:43] and the fucking things a bunch of strings and levered hammers! [15:43] hell.. the violin takes years to master, and its just a tiny collection of strings! [15:43] wtf?! [15:43] [16:16] bvowk, linux and unix won't ever be able to compensate for stupidity [16:16] They arent _that_ good [16:16] it is hard to compensate human stupidity with anything [16:23] datagram: uh.. yeah.. thats why they've been around longer than pretty much everything else and enjoy more implementations than pretty much anything else.. [16:23] if there was anything better, I'd be using it :) [16:35] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [16:45] :) [16:46] datagram: Any results yet? [17:25] Join: heath joined #corewars [17:25] Hi heath :) [17:26] Hello Fluffy. [17:27] I'm working through the logs of my homepage and most time I spent with removing all this spam in the logs files :-( [17:31] I'm working on putting things into elder futhark. [17:31] Want to know what your name is, Fluffy? [17:32] huh? [17:32] You know, the most ancient Germanic runes. [17:32] I don't know what you are talking about, heath :) [17:33] |/ |\ |\ |/ | [17:33] |/ | | \ |/ | [17:33] | | | \ | | [17:33] That's you. [17:33] No, that's just a bunch of lines. I'm still here in front of my computer :) [17:33] Except I don't think that there is a schwa, so I had to go with a uruz instead. [17:34] And I don't know anything about futhark, I only know Futars ;-) [17:34] :) [17:37] heath: Is there any special reason why you are interested in futhark? [17:37] It's amazing and mysterious. [17:37] And cool. [17:37] mysterious? [17:38] It is just a bunch of old letters [17:38] Because it is so old. [17:39] then why not hieroglyphs? [17:39] Futhark looks cooler. [17:40] Plus, I find Norse mythology more intriguing. [17:41] * Fluffy shrugs [17:44] I think that I should have stiudied mythography instead of computer science. Too bad I'm not independantly wealthy. [17:45] Or maybe writing systems. [17:45] Or anything else, actually. [17:45] You can always learn it all by yourself [17:45] Stupid computers. [17:45] There is no more time. [17:45] I have to spend my day working now. [17:46] That is why I wish that I was independantly wealthy. Then I could just study. [17:47] Join: Roy joined #corewars [17:47] Hi Fluffy :) [17:47] Ahoy, Roy. [17:47] Hi Roy, how was London? [17:48] Good, we wanted to see everything so I got a glimpse of most famous stuff and sore feet ;-) [17:51] :) [17:53] So, did you make something that beats my warrior? ;-) [17:54] I haven't taken a look at your warrior :) [17:54] And then I've played with some ideas and nothing worked [17:54] so I've sent some kind of "backup" warror [17:54] quickbombing into imp + clear/gate [17:55] and you Roy? [17:55] Hrm, I really did send something very similair to the one I copied here [17:55] Just changed one or two variables in a hurry.. [17:56] Roy: I still haven't taken a look at the warrior, that you've posted. What was it? [17:57] Heh you didn't see it? :P a quickbomber [17:58] I really haven't taken a look, because 1) I wasn't sure, whether you've just posted a random warrior to foul me and [17:58] 2) I wanted to win without "cheating" [17:59] Thats very noble of you :) [18:00] Now you can test how they score, my warrior is in the logs somewhere ;-) [18:01] Apart from what I've written I could be a lying bastard, who uses any means to win :) [18:02] Well, who knows, maybe it isn't my real warrior in the logs anyway [18:02] hehe [18:02] Now we have to wait for datagram to wake up (or have time) [18:08] Yeah, I don't know whats up with him, he's very absent lately [18:09] He was quite talkative yesterday [18:12] MSG: [18:15] hrm. [18:15] MSG: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+ssfe [18:23] datagram: Wake up, we are curious :) [18:53] * Roy tickles datagram awake [18:57] Roy: Do you really thinkg, that this will help? [18:57] Maybe we should use Dark Magic like bvowk does [19:08] * Roy offers Fluffy to the voodoo gods of eternal happiness in order to wake datagram [19:12] Nope, it doesn't work :-( [19:19] wheee, I updated my website [19:20] Yes its still crap etc, but there is content nontheless [19:27] brb, grapes [19:40] It is strange to read my old qscan-texts ... [19:41] I have to change a lot for the new version [19:42] Yeah, somebody was saying you are working on a new text? are it just revisions or completely new chapters? [19:42] I'll start again with q^1-scanners, but this time I'll look deeper into things [19:43] and backup up everything with "real data" [19:46] Since I haven't yet started to actually write text, you still can make wishes for what to do [19:47] Invent a new much better qscan in only tell me :P [19:48] Inventing a better scanner than the current q^4.5 is very hard [19:49] The best thing, that you can do, is to find a better attack, when the opponent is found [19:51] the main "problems" of the q^4.5 are the following: [19:51] It uses several tables for quickly decoding the found position [19:51] You can't add more table entries without seriously changing the decoder [19:52] and changing the decoder probably means, that you'll get a slower response (i.e. it takes longer to throw the first bomb) [19:54] I'll all try other things like booting to a save position [19:54] which is either an "empty" position or behind/before a bombed space [19:55] hmm ... do I talk to myself or is anybody listening? [19:56] * Roy ! [19:57] A better attack, I've tried a couple of times but nothing was really better [19:57] And booting...thats a good option, but hard to do [19:58] Yes, I've already made a lot of benchmarks to answer the question of where and how to boot [19:58] but haven't published the data [20:01] Last time I've only benchmarked against Wilkies and WilFiz. Now I'm using the fsh94nop and it is already quite interesting to see the different "reactions" of the various subbenchmarks to a quickscanner [20:17] DATAGRAM! WAKE UP! [20:30] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [20:48] MSG: [20:59] last try for today ... [20:59] datagram? [21:51] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [23:34] MSG: Quit: leaving