[02:32] Join: brx- joined #corewars [02:34] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [02:46] Nick Change: brx- changed nick to brx [03:46] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [03:46] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [03:46] Join: johnkw joined #corewars [03:46] Join: datagram joined #corewars [09:40] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [10:23] Mizcu, Entry soon? [10:50] ok [10:52] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [10:52] sent [10:52] Cool [10:52] Just wanted to make sure [10:53] You have another day to submit updates, but I just wanted to make sure you knew deadline was coming [12:19] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [12:42] MSG: Quit: humhum [13:14] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [13:15] :) [13:38] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [13:55] As promised the images, which show when a paper wins and when it not - http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/temp/wcycles.png and http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/temp/lcycles.png [13:55] I've taken a paper and let it fight against the fsh94nop and recorded in which cycle it won or lost. [13:56] Then I've summed up all values for intervals of length 100 as created the graphs [13:56] I still need a proper scale with the y-axis to make different graphs comparable. Any ideas? [13:58] interesting [13:58] :) [13:58] In about 30 mins I'll have the same graphs for the subbenchmarks (scn, pap, ...) [13:59] as i've always thought; fast action is important as paper [13:59] I've already noticed the spike in the l-image near the start. It is probably because of kills by qscans. [13:59] But I'm not sure, because the length of the paper is only 11 [14:00] Any wishes, which subbenchmark I'll take first? [14:00] i would myself like to see pap vs pap, but it takes longest to make, just pick one at random or ask someone else [14:01] I've already have the data [14:01] But it takes some time to create the images [14:01] because it isn't fully automated yet [14:01] ah [14:01] pap vs pap is unintersting [14:01] but I'll make it now [14:02] yes, id prefer a pic about process-comparement with multiple papers [14:02] my warrior scores 110 against pap, so there aren't much wins or losses [14:03] hmm ... I haven't recorded any data about the process development [14:03] * brx chuckles [14:04] why? [14:14] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/temp/papwcycles.png [14:14] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/temp/paplcycles.png [14:15] how come your paper gets no wins early on, but loses? [14:15] no qscan? [14:16] and the scale of the image has changed [14:16] compared to the first two images everything is 200 times magnified [14:16] ah [14:17] hey Fluffy. long time no see, I notice you are as busy as ever analyzing corewars. :) [14:18] brx: No, that's just yesterday and today [14:18] I've started to update my qscan-texts and HTMLize them [14:18] what a coincident [14:18] So I thought to try something new for the text [14:18] *ce [14:20] Hmm ... I still can't think of a proper scale for the images [14:21] Using sth. like wins/100 cycles is useless [14:23] Join: John joined #corewars [14:23] The paper, which I use, can be found at http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/quickscanners/intro.en.html [14:23] Good afternoon :-) [14:23] (But I think I've used different i.e. better values) [14:23] Will publish them later [14:24] Hi John :) [14:27] updated - http://corewar.co.uk/nanohof.txt [14:29] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/temp/stnwcycles.png [14:29] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/temp/stnlcycles.png [14:30] It seems as if a paper can only kill a stone, if it hasn't enough processes yet [14:30] hmm ... maybe I'm wrong [14:32] * John waves [14:32] * Fluffy waves to John [14:32] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [14:32] Fluff, crapola [14:32] huh? [14:33] the amount of processes doesnt matter that much in stone vs paper [14:33] unless you use paper with bad anti-imp capability [14:34] or against a paper with very light spiral [14:34] but stn consists entirely of stones without imps [14:34] *smack* [14:35] but why do you lose against plain stones so much regardless? [14:36] Don't know. The score against stn is 164 [14:36] but there are very few ties [14:37] (and I can't answer all cw-mysteries all at once ;-) [14:38] could be a problem with djn & stones throwing or decoying stuff bad for papers [14:41] yes, I'll try a paper without a djn [14:41] but the djn.f helps a lot against cds [14:42] I get scores > 150 against cds when I use djn [14:42] but < 130 when I use jmp [14:42] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/temp/scnwcycles.png [14:42] of course you could try.. never mind [14:42] too good idea [14:42] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/temp/scnlcycles.png [14:43] hehe ... look at the scn images ... the "areas" when the paper and the scn wins are almost disjoint [14:43] *when->where [14:44] maybe if you could put both images into one with two colors.. [14:44] kinda much job might be [14:45] later ... maybe [14:45] the scn-w-image is nice [14:45] It seems as it is good enough to optimize with -c 10000 against scn to get good values [14:46] should speed things up a lot [14:47] hmm, i might be up to something with this one.. [14:47] yes? [14:48] just something that came to my mind [14:48] yes? [14:48] what, you tell about your possibly good projects to other too? never! [14:49] I've published a lot! [14:49] old stuff [14:51] Then publish some of your old stuff :) [14:51] like what? [14:51] i've lost Static's source, Mono has been, imperactive never spent much on the hill [14:51] Sofbs is already old ;-) [14:51] you wish -_- [14:51] *Sotbs [14:52] of course I wish :) [14:52] you just have to wait until it drops [14:52] or you could publish it [14:52] NOW [14:53] _|_ o_O _|_ [14:53] nah, if i did, youd feel like cheated [14:54] I will let peeps wonder about its code for atleast a month or two [14:54] unless there is a conspiracy going on [14:56] Who should start a consiracy? [14:57] you are better off conspiring out the secret of inversed's stones anyway [14:57] :) [14:57] Haven't done much in that direction ... [14:58] ... only, that one uses A-imps and the other B-imps [15:10] hmm, experiment doesnt show the promise i hoped for [15:10] then what was it? :) [15:10] 106.50 without qscan and randopunched stepsized [15:10] -d+s [15:10] 107.86 with some change.. [15:11] a small change to reepi-like paper [15:12] I've noticed, that changing the center-silk of a paper from "spl @ 0, < x" to "spl x, 0" gives it some anti-paper properties [15:13] unfortunately it only works against some kinds of papers [15:15] spl x, 0 mov }-1, >-1 | do i need to say more? [15:15] :) [15:16] you mean "spl x, 0 mov >-1, } -1" [15:16] 109.08 with swapped middle silk [15:16] no, i meant as i said [15:16] but that doesn't copy the paper [15:16] which is why the anti-paper prop [15:17] hmm [15:29] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [15:29] Join: si joined #corewars [15:30] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [15:42] Part: si left #corewars [15:44] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [16:30] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:36] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [16:39] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [16:55] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [17:37] Join: John joined #corewars [17:38] Hi [17:38] h [17:38] :-) [17:40] MSG: Client Quit [17:44] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [18:07] Join: Neogryzor joined #corewars [18:07] greetings [18:08] Get my email? [18:10] oh, haven't checked. I take a look now [18:11] heh, no problem, datagram. I'm cooking it right now. [18:11] Thanks for the remaind [18:12] Hi Neogryzor :) [18:13] hi Chuffy [18:16] * Fluffy reduces Neogryzor's oxygen supply [18:16] btw, congrats to Germany, performed very well in the WC [18:17] I just hope france wins tonight [18:17] why France? [18:17] Neogryzor: Why congrats? Did anything important happen? [18:17] 3rd... [18:17] it would be a nice thing to happen, considering that it will be zidane's last game.. [18:18] I would like both to loose, but... [18:23] why is that? [18:24] I don't like Italian play style, and France has beaten us, we are kind of old rivals... [18:25] where are you from again? :) brazil, spain, portugal? [18:25] Hehehe, Spain. [18:26] well, italy did play well against germany [18:26] it was somewhat unexpected. [18:30] I have heard that they even were playing offensively, incredible! They deserve the victory for such dare! [18:30] you don' [18:31] *you don't deserve victory. you claim it. [18:32] ... and 15 mins after that everybody has forgotten about it [18:36] gotta go now [18:36] * Neogryzor waves [18:36] * brx waves late [18:36] MSG: [18:45] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [18:46] Join: brx joined #corewars [19:01] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [19:41] ah, SOF1 completed [19:41] should i go on with SoF2 or do something else.. [19:45] oh yeah, my friend has loaned SoF2 [19:45] Join: sf_ghoul joined #corewars [19:45] Hello [19:45] i see dead people [19:45] :( [19:55] Where's Roy today? [19:55] Having fun with he's life? [19:55] *drum rolls* [19:56] ok, that was horrible [19:58] :( [19:58] Roy can't be having fun, because he's not here chatting to us [19:58] Come here Roy! [19:59] Not like he has anyone else to chat with...hmmm.... [20:00] WB data [20:02] I never left : ) [20:02] -_- [20:25] hmm, warrior, take #2 [20:25] MSG: Quit: I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information. [20:26] damn, this beast doesnt like scanner at all [20:27] but i am not surprised.. [20:28] ..its not really common to see a non-rapid action paper today anyway [20:35] i dont like optimizing six numbers at a time anyway [20:40] 108.20.. (just plain paper, seeing where it goes by itself) [20:40] nop0.3 [20:53] overall relation in/out 41/1 [23:02] Join: Neogryzor joined #corewars [23:03] hi neo [23:03] hi Mizcu [23:03] * datagram points at time [23:03] Entry done. it is still hot :) [23:04] 8 hours [23:04] I think I'm going to go to bed [23:04] Haven't slept yet... [23:04] yeah, me too but wait a second, i'm sending the entry, ok? [23:04] Alright [23:04] passing out now [23:04] * datagram passes out [23:05] You can choose the name for it, data [23:06] any suggestions? [23:08] Okay, sent [23:08] Heh [23:08] I'll pick something [23:09] Heh, ok. Remove the name i put, it is not good [23:09] And name is nearly 50% of the score... :) [23:24] now i can go to bed.. :) [23:24] * Neogryzor waves [23:25] Part: Neogryzor left #corewars