[02:07] Join: brx- joined #corewars [02:08] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [07:32] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [09:00] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [09:00] :) [09:54] Part: Fluffy left #corewars [14:28] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [15:17] Join: heath joined #corewars [15:18] I haven't seen bvowk in a while. Where did he go? [15:38] Join: bvowk joined #corewars [15:38] hrm. [15:38] 16:18 < heath> I haven't seen bvowk in a while. Where did he go? [15:39] been sick [15:42] nothing exciting like cancer or anything.. I just don't feel like getting out of bed. [16:00] * bvowk wonders why its so damn quiet? [16:00] I'm back. [16:01] Sorry was working on some code. [16:01] get your new job? [16:01] Well, I accepted it. I start on the 24th. [16:01] sweet.. [16:01] Yeah, it'll be alright I guess... :) [16:02] Hey, now I'm in the 98th like you, I passed the Mensa test. [16:02] no more fun sun boxes littering your office tho.. [16:02] heh [16:02] Yeah. [16:02] congrats on your IQ. [16:02] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [16:02] :) [16:02] augh. its fluffy. [16:02] always smiling. god. [16:03] Hi bvowk [16:03] you finish with ned fluffy? [16:03] I'll finish when you need ned [16:03] So do you need it? :) [16:03] bvowk: Thanks, but it's nothing that I can be too proud of, though. [16:04] It would be like bragging about something that someone gave me as a present: It was by no merit of my own that I obtained the IQ. [16:05] I was just curious fluffy [16:05] Yuck, I just drank a swig of water that has been sitting in my office overnight. [16:05] heath: I don't actually believe that, I think intelligence is one of those use it or lose it thigns [16:06] I think the most brilliant people are brilliant more because they considered difficult problems to improve their ability to consider still more difficult problems. [16:06] bvowk: Hmm. I disagree. I think it is a gift given for use in your purpose. [16:07] However, the mensa test was dissapointingly culturally and previous knowlege dependant. [16:08] Unless they only really graded the final section, which I am leaning towards suspecting. [16:09] they all are heath :) [16:10] Yeah, but I think that it is unfair to grade someone's intellegence based on whether or not the know what "florid" means. [16:11] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [16:11] Have you ever played Bubsy? [16:11] It probably means, that you look like a floor [16:11] howdy folks [16:11] Hi willvarfa [16:11] whoa. [16:11] its wil. [16:11] Fluffy: :) [16:12] heath: tests aren't, and will never be fair :) [16:12] Fluffy: You fail it!. [16:12] howdy bvo [16:12] long time. all's well? [16:12] heath: I've never said, that I own intelligence ;-) [16:13] Fluffy: I wouldn't know what it meant unless I looked it up either. I just looked up a random "word of the day" and pasted it. BTW. it means flush with red. [16:14] Or Excessively ornate; flowery. [16:14] heath: How should I know. It's English. And I not speek eeT. [16:14] eet? [16:15] yes, eet = it [16:15] yeah wil, all is pretty good.. how's your house doing? [16:18] well just one more work day left and then my summer hols! 5 weeks off; time enough to paint the house I hope [16:18] what color? [16:18] and the pool pump, which had packed up, is now replaced so I should be swimming again by the weekend! [16:18] so all smilies this end [16:18] it'll be corn yellow with white trim [16:19] very normal for swedish houses, which are wood [16:19] willvarfa: What is you country of residence? [16:19] Oops, too late. [16:19] It's interesting that you call it corn. [16:19] well thats a translation [16:19] Ah. [16:20] when you go to buy paint, you get big colour charts [16:20] and all the names are trademarks [16:20] so you see some really inventive naming to discern the shades which all basically seem to look the same.. [16:20] willvarfa: Why not name a RGB-value? ;-) [16:20] Oh. That makes sense. [16:20] Fluffy: Because it's pigment, not light. :) [16:21] well actually when they mix the paint, RGB is roughly what they have! They print it on the lid, so you can go ask for it again [16:21] CMYK or whatnot no idea, but the principle of listing the ingredients it is [16:22] Yeah, I'm certain they would use a subtractive model instead of an additive one. [16:25] how are things on the other side of the pond? [16:27] not so bad. [16:28] summer vacation? chance to get out to the wilderness and be eaten by blackflies? [16:28] No way, got work. [16:28] I widh I could have a summer vacation. [16:28] s/widh/wish/ [16:29] Like the good ol' days. [16:31] ah over here the whole company takes the summer off [16:31] Really? [16:31] since the sun has to last us the rest of the year, you see [16:31] should have said "the whole country" [16:31] Really? [16:31] WOW. [16:31] only shops and campsites are open in July-August [16:31] Do you have any openings at your company? [16:32] hence having to wait one whole month for a replacement pool filter pump, because the warehouse was unmanned [16:32] seriously good programmers? we're trying to find about 100 or more at the moment, if you're willing to relocate to sweden [16:32] willvarfa: I sure am. [16:33] An I'm a fairly good programmer if I do say so myself. [16:34] what kind of background? You can /query if you'd rather not say for the logs ;-) [16:34] hmm, that would line me up for the finders fee too ;-D [16:34] maybe then Will would have more free time for Species 2 too [16:34] * Mizcu pokes will [16:35] ah, yes, my ideas have moved to Species 4 already :-) [16:35] Ahh, I don't mind if it's in the logs. [16:35] Do you mean schoolsing or previous experience? [16:36] Other people might mind that I am filling it up with crap, though, now that I think about it. [16:36] well both [16:36] Crap I just took another swig of it. I need to clean out that mug and put some new water in it. [16:37] MSG: [16:37] BS in computer science from Cal Poly Pomona, I currently work at ESRI. [16:37] I figure the first thing to do is see if you are roughly eligable [16:37] which country is that? [16:37] USA. [16:37] and then we can see if sweden roughly fits you.. [16:38] the survey people? [16:38] Survey people? [16:38] You mean ESRI? [16:39] http://www.esri.com/ [16:39] thats pretty cool [16:39] you a programmer there? [16:40] Not really. I basically do QA work for out Solaris builds. I don't really like it all that much (very little coding or real work) so I am looking for employment elsewhere. [16:40] s/out/our/ [16:41] what languages do you know and like? [16:41] I actually just turned in my notice here, and am going to work for a small company as a programmer, but I am looking to do some real work some where, and to move out of Redlands. [16:42] C, C++, Perl, Common Lisp, Assembly. [16:42] how long have you been out of uni? [16:42] I'll mention that I know Java, but I don't like it. [16:42] Since December 2005. [16:42] wow, rare to see people coming out of a recent education with that language mix :-) [16:42] thats a compliment btw [16:43] I did work as a web prgrammer for Cal Poly for two years while going there, though. [16:43] Thanks. [16:43] so how is your redcode? [16:43] (people who find corewars are just the kind of people who are going to love my company's work [16:44] Honestly, I don't think that the CS programs here (at least at Cal Poly) do a very good job. Most practical knowlege must be gained from personal projects. The theoretic stuff they did OK on, though. [16:44] My redcode is OK, I guess. [16:44] I am still somewhat of a newbie. [16:44] me too [16:44] so you been on any hills? [16:45] (you'll forgive that I haven't popped in in quite a while) [16:45] The SAL beginner's hill. [16:45] One of my warriors ranks 11th. [16:46] so not a complete newbie, then :-) [16:46] so how long have you been redcoding? [16:46] Hmm. I don't know a couple of months? I haven't been able to put much time into it though. [16:47] where in the states is redlands? [16:47] California. [16:47] well, so far you've got me intrigued [16:47] Sweet. [16:48] I've worked with quite a lot of people from your side who have come to sweden for fun [16:48] Really? [16:48] it wouldn't be much for profit - it doesn't compare to the states - but then its a different scale [16:48] yeah, worked with quite a few infact [16:49] I don't care much about money. So long as I can survive, and do enjoyable real work, I am happy. [16:49] and a fair few swedes who have gone out to the valley to seek their fortune too; the human traffic is both ways [16:49] Well, it is nearly impossible to be able to afford to live in southern California. I can't wait to get out of here. [16:50] so you really ought not tell a potential employer that you don't care about money and that the interesting thing about the job is that we have six weeks holidays a year ;-) [16:50] : [16:50] :) [16:50] I think honesty is the best policy. I have nothing to gain from decieving you. [16:51] well thats nice [16:51] although gain doesn't have to be via deception, so keep your cards closer to your chest if you ever have a chat about jobs with a complete stranger again, if you see what I mean [16:51] so my company: I'll /query you [16:54] Join: sf_ghoul joined #corewars [16:54] Hello [16:54] Bvowkyy, Fluff, wakeyy wakeyy [16:54] hi sf [16:54] brb [16:55] MSG: Quit: Leaving. [16:55] It's been raining here today [16:55] * sf_ghoul taunts Fluff [16:56] Join: me_ joined #corewars [16:56] Nick Change: me_ changed nick to Fluffy [16:57] So what's new Fluff? [16:57] Hey, even bvowk's computers aren't that fast [16:57] anyone else? [16:57] I've published everyhting to http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/quickscanners/index.en.html [16:57] and still waiting for the next bunch of data [16:59] Now I'm benchmarking a q^1 [16:59] :) [16:59] I've never known, that even a q^1 can be that effective [17:01] Hi Will [17:01] best score so far is 126.5, an (unoptimized) q^4.5 get about 135 against fsh [17:08] hrm. [17:09] Bvowky! [17:09] Hi [17:10] bvowk: Before I forget ... I had several connection problems to ned yesterday [17:10] Join: Roy joined #corewars [17:10] bvowk: ned itself was find, but I couldn't get a route to it [17:10] *fine [17:10] Hi Roy [17:10] Hi [17:11] hmm, some people here like lockpicking right, they might think http://www.hackaday.com funny [17:11] fluffy: yes, you can thank our friendly tier 1 isps.. [17:11] bvowk: I just wanted you to know [17:11] Roy: hmm ... I wonder where you did get that link from :) [17:12] Its a cool site, its in my rss feed.. [17:12] the closest one to me, telus (or e-slut as I like to call her), is run by fucking idiots who, while they have an effective telco monopoly for most of western canada, spent *BILLIONS* on advertizing, nothing on technology upgrades, and even less on competent people to run the infrastructure.. [17:13] It would seem their business model is to take what the government sold off at firesale prices, which was really world class infrastructure, and run it until it all fails, and then sell it back to the government for bailout. [17:13] anyways.. they have problems with routing because they've replaced the competent engineers with call-center people who take complaints.. [17:13] the only time they get routing right, is when they're trying to stop routing of the telco unions website. [17:14] bvowk: I guess, you like them very much [17:14] [17:14] Wow, hi Roy :) [17:14] :( [17:14] fluffy: that would be correct. [17:14] * sf_ghoul realised saying Wow sounds like a chatbot! [17:14] although, my neighbor is a telus unix engineer, and he's quite competent. [17:14] Wow! hi sf [17:15] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [17:15] bvowk: I only had 3 (or so) connection problems with 5 mins each [17:15] First I thought, that I've killed ned [17:15] but then I saw, that my jobs were still running [17:16] fluffy: yeah, its telus, for the most part the CA*Net and the other inter educational links are pretty solid, but if you're routed out through the commercial feed that they provide (mostly because our VP was boinking their VP, so the bid processes ended up geting skewed)... well.. all bets for connectivity can be off. [17:18] bvowk: I hope, that you aren't in charge of your internet connection or are you? [17:19] no, I sadly only get boinked by the shitty telus connection, I did not get to perform any boinking :( [17:19] hmm [17:21] * willvarfa waves [17:21] * sf_ghoul waves [17:21] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [17:22] * Fluffy waves too late [17:22] * sf_ghoul waves Fluff [17:23] Sweet. Maybe I'll get to move to sweden. [17:24] Now I just have to apply. [17:24] heath: How about learning Swedish first? :) [17:24] Fluffy: He saud everyone speaks english there. [17:24] yes, Swedish English! [17:24] ;-) [17:25] I'll definately make an effor to learn swedish if I move there, though. [17:25] s/effor/effort/ [17:29] sf_ghoul: By the way ... why are you still a ghoul? [17:29] its because I bit her. [17:29] told you I was good with the evil. [17:30] her? [17:30] bvowk: I thought it was because I've sacrificed sf to the Rain God [17:30] * sf_ghoul blushes [17:30] hehe [17:30] don't be silly, there are no women in corewars. [17:31] There used be Kathi and Rachel actually [17:32] So the f in sf does stand for female? [17:32] But they didn't come back [17:32] heath: Next guess, please [17:32] heath: f stands for Fernandes [17:32] bah, they're only mythical.. like unicorns and polite americans [17:32] heath: http://corewar.atspace.com [17:32] bvowk: females? [17:32] bvowk: I'm polite, no? [17:33] heath: you may be a figment of my imagination. [17:34] ? [17:34] heh [17:34] :) [17:35] sf_ghoul: So what does the S stand for? [17:35] Sandy [17:36] That doesn't help me descern gender. My Father's name is Sandy. [17:37] Then you'll just have to figure it some other way ;) [17:37] ? [17:37] heath, stop chatting up sf, women don't exist in #corewars :) [17:38] sf_ghoul: That probably means, you are about to vanish now ;-) [17:38] there are only people who can kick your ass with redcode. [17:38] * sf_ghoul disappear is a puff of orange smoke [17:38] * sf_ghoul kick bvowk first [17:38] sf_ghoul: What is your country of residence? [17:39] heath: http://corewar.co.uk/whoswho.htm#fernandes [17:42] I wonder how long it will take John to change the S. in your who's who [17:44] Or to update details of Bombus Sylvestris, age over 400 now :) [17:44] your oldest warrior now? [17:44] I'm not in the who's who :(. [17:45] Then write to John :) [17:45] He'll probably add you [17:45] or do sth. important [17:45] Enter a tournament and come in the top 3, or write something interesting (like a tutorial) or get into a hall of fame [17:45] Yeah, I should probably do something important. [17:46] I need to manage my time better. [17:46] no, that's not important ;-) [17:46] There I just too many things to do, and to little time to do them in. [17:46] :) [17:47] It's important, just not on the scale necessary to get me into the who's who. [17:47] "Heath Caldwell has manged his time better." [17:48] "Heath Caldwell had potiential, if only he had managed his time better..." [17:48] I'll say that at your funeral :) [17:48] :( [17:48] (as I intend to outlive everyone.) [17:48] It's so true. [17:50] so the reason you're not in the HoF, is because you're here on IRC instead of writing redcode.. [17:50] Yes, I suppose so. [17:50] this is actually a cunning trap some of the older corewarriors came up with to prevent their innovations from being overshadowed by the upstarts.. [17:50] It hard to get the motivation up sometimes. [17:50] thats why you don't see most of the HoF's here. [17:50] Hmm. [17:51] oh sure, they'll come in when things are winding down a little to bring the traffic back up, but its all here to keep you from being a good redcoder. [17:51] :) [17:51] Those dirty bastards! [17:51] Now I;m hooked. [17:51] Someone change the subject quick. [17:51] doesn't work on sf tho, sf keeps sending piles of nasty stuff to nano, even while I'm chatting!! [17:51] It's been raining here today [17:52] sf: how about that local sports team! [17:52] sf_ghoul: Any opening at your company? [17:52] s/opening/openings/ [17:52] yes, the door where the customers come in! go write redcode heath [17:53] Maybe after lunch. [17:54] * Fluffy is eating some ice [17:54] heath: yes, are you interested? [17:55] sf_ghoul: Yes. [17:55] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [17:55] heath: we need a weekender to sell ice-creams [17:55] Hi Core_old [17:56] sf_ghoul: Hmm. Will that pay enough to afford rent and bills for two in a nearby location? [17:56] heath: no, but you get a free lunch ;) [17:57] free lunch?! [17:57] sf_ghoul: What company do you work for? [17:57] hell, I'm a citizen of a commonwealth state under 30, I'll be there by friday sf! [17:57] The Copper Kettle [17:57] whats for lunch? :) [17:58] About a month ago I had a funny conversation about free lunches, I think. Was it with you, bvowk? [17:58] Oh yes, it was with he who must not be mentioned. [17:58] Anything off the menu, excluding the steak / salmon / crab / lobster / gammon [17:58] No? [17:59] That's ok, most of those are riddled with mercury. [17:59] Or hard to digest. [18:00] Did you ever try? [18:00] Fluffy: To digest steak? [18:00] no, mercury [18:01] MSG: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:01] Well, I've eaten my share of tune, if that's what you mean. [18:01] s/tune/tuna/ [18:01] I try to avoid most sea animals now, though. [18:02] You shouldn't, some taste delicous! [18:02] agreed [18:02] * bvowk eats significant amounts of sushi [18:03] Yes, but then important molecules start getting fabricated with mercury instead of their proper metals. Then your body starts not working correctly. [18:03] heath: If you think that way, you shouldn't eat anything at all! [18:04] Fluffy: Or just eat things that are safe. [18:04] And what things are safe? [18:04] heath, you're more likely to get mercury from vegatables grown near coal fired power plants.. (which are pretty much everywhere) [18:04] unless you're eating the brains of fish.. [18:05] Organic fruits and vegitables. Vegatable fed livestock. [18:05] or other animals, as thats where most of the mercury will collect.. [18:05] heath: I've never known, that anorganic fruits exist :) [18:05] heath: organics doesn't protect you from the fine particles of crud that float amazing distances from power plants [18:06] Fluffy: Yes, that is a funny joke. I don't know why they picked that word for it. [18:06] (or concrete plants, metal smelters, pretty much anything industry that burns coal) [18:06] And even when there's no mercury in it, then it is likely to be relative to companies like Monsanto [18:07] and you'll sprout a third ear or sth. ;-) [18:07] bvowk: Hmm. I'll need to look into that. [18:08] Fluffy: That's why you have to go organic. [18:08] heath: Won't help! [18:08] Organic by defenition is non-GM. [18:08] How do you effectively prevent pollination from plants that are GM :) [18:08] Hmm. [18:08] organic only means they don't put stuff on it to begin with, it doesn't help when the water/air are already contaminated. [18:09] and the US is in the long run very likely to be contaminated [18:09] My best guess will be tons of uranium [18:09] besides, the no-GM idea is really quite stupid, because there is nothing we eat that we haven't actually engineered. [18:10] corn, rice, potato, wheat, barley... [18:10] they're all the product of our selective manipulation. [18:10] bvowk: I've eaten stones. And they are definitely not gm ;-) [18:10] Yeah, I suppose so. [18:11] it's like dogs, if anyone claims to have a wolf as a pet, you can mock them without mercy, because wolves are an utterly and completely different creature that is effectively impossible to domesticate. [18:11] its like someone showing you a cob of modern corn and claiming its maise. [18:12] for the most part everything we eat or keep around us is a product of our selective manipulation. [18:12] even the wild animals around us are selected by our presence. [18:12] Or a product of their being so cool that we keep growing it. [18:13] bvowk: There is no selection, just godly influence ;-) [18:13] coyotes really didn't exist in their modern form until we urbanized huge swaths, the behavior of deer is sigificantly different now than in generations previous. [18:13] Have soy or ice been changes all that much? Excluding the beta kerotene rice and what not. [18:13] uh.. [18:13] bvowk: Lucky you. There isn't much deer left here [18:13] s/ice/rice/ [18:13] the japanese spent thousands of years working with domestic soy beans. [18:13] and rice. [18:13] Ah, ok. [18:14] carrots, beets, turnips... [18:14] everything you eat, has been modified by our domestication of it. [18:15] we can't help but change it, the plants that have favorable characteristics are the ones we cultivate and replant.. [18:15] hence, fruits get bigger, starchier, grow faster... [18:16] grains become more dense, more grains on a stalk... [18:16] adapt to climates they didn't previously. [18:16] nothing natural about that selection :) [18:16] Stop, you are making me hungry. [18:16] me too. [18:16] * bvowk heads off for lunch [18:17] heath: I've long started eating [18:17] I have 43 minutes until lunch, [18:18] (and lets not get started on animals, because I've first hand watched how you can modify the traits of a herd of beef cattle) [18:19] Just don't feed them crap that they are not supposed to eat, like cow brains or chicken feathers. [18:19] heh [18:20] I've never figured out why that seemed like a good idea.. [18:20] feed lots do quite a number of stupid things however.. [18:20] probably because it is cheap [18:20] so really, shouldn't surprise anyone. [18:20] Yeah. I think it is cheaper. [18:20] well, yeah, its cheap, but really, cheaper than *GRASS*?! the stuff that covers bare ground when nobodys doing anything with it? [18:20] I mean that grass stuff just grows. [18:21] (and grass fed cattle taste better!) [18:21] but do they grow faster? [18:21] Sure, but chicken feathers and offal are free. [18:22] well, you have to feed them quite a bit because the protien content of grass and well.. flesh are different. [18:22] heath: only if someone helpfully processes it for free too.. cattle don't just start eating brains because you put it in the trough. [18:23] Yeah, I guess so. You'd have to grind it up and hide it, and that effort coule probably be better spent not poisoning people with crapalappa. [18:24] Join: pak21 joined #corewars [18:25] Dude, sis you know that: [18:25] s/sis/did/ [18:25] "The liver of Polar bear and other polar animals is so high in vitamin A that it can have a toxic effect on human metabolism." [18:25] I actually don't buy the simplistic theory of mad cow disease.. [18:26] bvowk: What, that priones are spread the dietary consumption? [18:26] I think there is significantly more to the story, but we likely won't find out about it because industry is really idiotic about controls.. [18:26] heath: Try drinking 4-6 l of pure water at once. It is toxic, too :) [18:26] s/the/through/ [18:26] I think every animal should be tested for a wide range of problems before they're slaughtered. [18:27] Fluffy: Yeah, water posioning is dangerous, yo. [18:27] bvowk: That's too expensive. :) [18:27] would make for a very interesting collection of data on how cattle live, get sick etc.. [18:27] heath: its only expensive from the perspective of not protecting fuck all. [18:28] I don't understand that sentence. [18:28] however, if it was mandatory, the tests would cost virtually nothing by the grace of economy of scale.. [18:28] Hmm. [18:28] and the data could be used to further improve the growth and quality of the product of the industry. [18:28] possibly to identify bad practices that are currently going undetected. [18:29] Yeah. [18:29] That is why I go with beef that is fed with organig corn or grass, and from people who take pride in the treatment of their animals. [18:29] for example, many of the animals that get sent to slaughter are sent because they're sick and dying.. so if you send them before they look really bad, they'll get slaughtered and sold as hamburgers because nobodys going to look twice at them in the plant. [18:29] but if you wait, they'll be worth less. [18:30] Yucky. [18:30] * sf_ghoul waves [18:30]