[00:06] MSG: [01:20] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [01:21] Join: datagram joined #corewars [03:47] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [03:52] Join: multimode joined #corewars [04:27] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [07:10] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [09:02] MSG: [10:55] Join: ^ joined #corewars [10:57] Nick Change: ^ changed nick to Nenad [11:59] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:06] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [13:29] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [13:35] hi Miz [13:36] hi Nenad [13:36] been a while [13:36] yep [13:36] I was offline for three weeks, so... [13:37] but back now :) have a ton of emails to answer first, but then going to get back to doing some corewar probably :) [13:38] how are u? [13:38] what are your plans for the summer? [13:41] got only a month left [13:42] well, I've got only about 20-25 days until the autumn exams, so it'll probably be work for me these days... however, a month can be both a little and a lot depending on how you use it :) [14:41] * Nenad waves [14:41] MSG: [15:25] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [15:29] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:45] Join: sf_ghoul joined #corewars [15:45] Hello [15:56] * sf_ghoul yells as loud as possible "WHERE ARE YOU ROY?"! [15:57] MSG: Quit: I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information. [16:21] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [16:22] good afternoon folks [16:34] hrm. [16:34] howdy barklay [16:35] hello [16:35] how goes? [16:36] ah holidays are hard work [16:36] painting the house [16:36] yourself? [16:36] went fishing yesterday.. [16:37] catch anything? [16:38] yeah, it was a pretty good time [16:38] hooked 6 in about 2 houjrs [16:39] didn't keep anything [16:39] big, little, sea or fresh water? [16:39] heh.. [16:39] not really water, more like a wet spot in a floating bog [16:39] they were all about 50ish cm [16:41] so reasonable fish for northern pike.. [16:41] the little ones really fight too [16:41] ah pike right [16:42] who was the bait? [16:42] don't need bait for pike :) [16:42] you just need something shiny [16:43] I actually had one bite my hook that was dangling above the water while I was fixing my wifes reel ;) [16:43] just about lost my rod [16:43] how many did she catch? [16:44] 2 I think [16:44] there were 5 of us in the boat, and everyone caught at least 1 [16:44] much fun was had [16:45] the "lake" is really small this year.. [16:45] its pretty dry out there [16:46] heat wave your side of the pond too? [16:46] its absolutely stifflingly hot this side too [16:46] my lawns are parched [16:47] yeah, its been about 6 years of dry now [16:47] not quite a drought the last couple years, but the water table keeps getting lower [16:48] well here it hadn't rained for a month [16:48] I take my holiday to paint my house, and it starts.. [16:48] still on the hills? [16:53] I saw a bit of chat on rgc about optimisers [17:00] ah, talking about corewars has killed the conversation :-) [17:00] how is the Sun running? [17:07] * bvowk returns. [17:07] its running alright.. [17:07] it threw a board a little while ago.. [17:08] so I'm on the prowl for another pair [17:08] a board == another pair? sounds like an upgrade! [17:08] I'd been expecting that board would fail for a while tho, it had a bit of a squeal to it.. [17:08] how big and mean is it now? [17:08] its currently 10cpus / 10GB of ram [17:09] it had been 14/14, but one board was kinda flakey, so we pulled it, and now we lost the squealing one.. [17:09] it'll be back up shorly.. [17:09] (back up to full power) [17:09] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [17:10] * willvarfa wants to know how utilised it is [17:10] did you take part in: http://www.icfpcontest.org/ will? [17:10] heh [17:11] right now its not doing much useful.. [17:11] but I wrote a bunch of code it'll likely be running here shortly on the way to fishing yesterday [17:13] I really meant to [17:13] it was *REALLY* fun. [17:13] you did?? [17:13] wow! [17:13] you should seriously just code it up in your spare time.. [17:13] I only played with adventure.. [17:13] spare time? interesting concept :-) [17:13] but I had alot of fun [17:13] you only get spare time if you make it. [17:13] what was the challenge about? [17:14] you want me to spoil it? [17:14] bah. [17:14] you start by writing a virtual machine [17:14] and then running a codex [17:15] which gives you some interesting software full of puzzles to run on your machine [17:16] I spent all weekend glued to my machine banging out code.. [17:16] it was fun :) [17:16] ah cool [17:17] that was the kind of overview I wanted [17:17] because I was puzzled (from my five sec glance at the site) how you "competed" [17:17] the machine doesn't take very long to write.. [17:17] how did get compared to others? solve a puzzle first? or? [17:17] I twisted up a painfully slow version that ran the codex in a few hours.. [17:17] by points.. [17:18] when you solved bits of puzzle, they'd give you a little hash to submit, and you'd get points [17:18] ah right ok [17:18] a bit like the code challenge then [17:18] did you submit any? [17:22] yeah, he who much not me mentioned, pk and I ranked 56th place [17:22] discontinuity.info [17:22] * willvarfa goes looks [17:22] the usual suspects then [17:23] indeed. [17:23] I'm thinking about writing some code to "Beat" this corewars thing, so the humans will stop whining on usenet about optimizers/evolvers [17:24] you gunna help? [17:24] competing with someone who doesn't write any code isn't much fun :P [17:24] * bvowk prods will to write code. [17:25] I have lots of ideas, of course! [17:25] but when do I get the chance? [17:25] wife is just home, ... [17:28] tell the wife you've got some wild code you've got to sow.. and she shoudl be thankful you're just running off to an office to code and not to strip bars like other men having mid-life crisis ;) [17:29] * bvowk ducks [17:30] :-) [17:30] this corewars, the machine will win [17:30] ;-) [17:30] is he who must not be named very much about these days? [17:31] not around here.. [17:31] seems an age since I last bumped into him [17:31] he's around tho, I talk to him every day. [17:31] might be a good time to email him.. he just finished a big project deadline [17:31] is he still mapping? [17:31] I've been trying to keep him from coding until he drops [17:31] indeed [17:32] you still running ccai? [17:32] or is it all change now? [17:34] naw, I've not run ccai in a while now.. [17:34] I've been working on a few new versions.. [17:34] I've got about 6 of them.. [17:34] all exploring slightly different ideas.. [17:34] I think I've got a good one underway so far.. [17:34] just a matter of scaling it out to see if it really works. [17:37] oh, please tell :-) [17:37] heh [17:37] no! [17:38] huh, I'm not exactly in a position to go copy you :-) [17:39] I'm just missing the excitement of the corewars evolving itch [17:39] its not really all that exciting actually :) [17:39] phone. [17:39] yeah but I'm an addict with really bad shivers [17:41] heh [17:41] basicly I'm using a more genetic programming technique instead of a straight genetic algorithm.. [17:42] I've got a simplified redcode simulator in it as well for estimating coverage and replication.. [17:42] ah wow :-) [17:42] now that _is_ exciting [17:42] so you get scores which are not just purely challenge-based? [17:42] and a *VERY* simplistic optimizer to try and find shorter/faster versions of code chunks its found using the same simulator [17:43] well, there's going to be two levels to it, there's a snippet level, where chunks of code are worked with and scored.. and then there's going to be a warrior level, where full hills are simulated [17:43] wow, this is a major departure [17:43] yup [17:44] good :-D [17:44] for distributing, I'm going to have many hills that slowly exchange their best warriors between them with a limited propogation scheme [17:44] * willvarfa deletes his long question about distribution [17:45] sounds very promising [17:45] so I'll hopefully have a large collection of different eco-systems with different evolutionary pressures.. [17:45] * willvarfa wishes he had time for Species Blossom [17:45] which should eliminate some of my issues with developing warriors that are suited only to a certain benchmark/hill [17:45] we all have our evolver dreams, just you've actually written like - 6 - of them [17:45] you have to *MAKE* time wil [17:46] well I have a daughter now [17:46] its not an excuse, its a prioritisation [17:46] its never too early to get her started ;) [17:46] I used to use job time, because I had a very ebb-flow kind of job [17:46] hang a mov 0, 1 over her bed ;) [17:47] she is a bit of an imp, actually [17:47] food in, food virtually intact out [17:47] my advice is to stop watching TV ;) [17:47] there's nothing on anyways. [17:47] ah well that I'm not guity of [17:48] they are changing the system from analog to digital here - and I aren't sure if I'll change or turn off completely [17:48] but you're right [17:48] of course, if I made time for Species Blossom, whould #irc still be here? [17:48] I mean, with the success of it all and all [17:48] ;-) [17:49] I'll watch dvd's now and again.. but other than that.. TV is complete crap these days.. and it looks so shitty, I can't understand why they broadcast in such low resolution [17:49] I wish I could cancel my cable, but my wife likes to watch those inane reality tv shows.. [17:50] like the office? [17:50] my feeling is, if I wanted to watch stupid people do stupid things and get worked up over nothing, I could just go outside. [17:52] has The Office been over your side? [17:52] yup [17:52] or were you meaning more Big Brother? [17:52] Surviver? or whatever? [17:52] there's the american version and the british version [17:52] she watches them all! [17:52] oh, they are different? [17:53] don't you lot get the brit humour? [17:53] BB, survivor, that stupid cooking one, the various idols, the various talentless shows.. [17:53] :-) [17:53] the british one is more watchable than the american version.. [17:53] sad that so many of them seem to be European ... [17:53] naw, they've all american versions.. [17:53] naw, the brit one made me cringe and feel so awkward I can't actually watch it [17:54] heh [17:54] I *REALLY* hate steve carrel [17:54] I've got the tape, and I've sat down and started to watch Series 2 through and failed several times [17:54] who is steve carrel? [17:54] that guy was funny for about 5 minutes on that one movie he was in.. [17:54] with context, I can probably place him [17:54] and that was pretty much all of his funny. [17:54] he was the virgin in "the 40 year old virgin" [17:55] ah haven't seen it [17:55] don't bother ;) [17:55] it'll be easy to miss [17:55] haven't got a dvd player [17:55] hrm. [17:56] nor any subscription channels [17:56] so what exactly do you do with your time then? ;) [17:56] * bvowk bets sudoku puzzles. [17:56] lots of sudoku. [17:56] naw got a sudoku for christmas [17:56] had a solver written by boxing day lunch [17:56] a book of sudoku, of course [17:57] its like corewars; writing the solver is more fun than solving each yourself [17:57] heh [17:57] yeah.. [17:57] I've been hunting for a 16 puzzle for a while.. [17:57] I mean, you don't spend hours playing Same Game do you?? [17:57] I've got around a billionish puzzles generated [17:57] sudoku in hex? [17:57] no, 16 hint sudoku [17:58] as yet there are none known [17:58] ah what is that? [17:58] and there are only ~36k 17 hint sudoku [17:58] so how does it work? sounds an intersting problem... :-) [17:58] its not really :) [17:59] ah, but I'm thirsty for problems to think about abstractly while I paint :-) [17:59] glenn fowler wrote the canonical sudoku program. [17:59] so what is a hint in sudoku? [17:59] hint = given.. [17:59] so when you start a puzzle, the number of squares already filled in is the number of hits [17:59] hints.. [18:00] ah, so what is wrong with taking any suduko and only giving the player 16 of the cells? [18:00] well, a sudoku can only have one answer. [18:00] so far there are no puzzles with 16 hints and 1 answer. [18:01] ah, I can think of an algorithm to search [18:01] how do you do it? [18:02] :) [18:02] right now I generate boards, and then hand them to a huge group of machines to exahustively search for puzzles [18:03] and then I mark the board down as complete. [18:06] * willvarfa has a plan for that forming ... live! [18:06] http://www.maths.nuim.ie/staff/gmg/sudoku/index.html [18:06] you can recurse through every perm of a board with a stack depth of just 81, so iterating through every perm is doable [18:06] not quite like that.. [18:07] now, start with a complete board, and put that into a solver (where each cell has probabilities) [18:07] using that approach, you check the unavoidables.. and then work around those [18:07] of course the each cell starts with only one probability [18:07] there are some squares that *MUST* be included (hence the term unavoidable) [18:07] for each cell, remove it and mark up the probabilities [18:07] its a solver backwards [18:08] :) [18:08] but only going backwards whilst there are no ambiguities [18:08] it will find a particular kind of board - one where there are no ambiguities [18:08] but it can search a lot of boards really really quickly [18:09] dammit. [18:10] you're going to think about sudoku and not corewars now aren't you?: [18:10] sorry :-) [18:10] did I ever bore you with details of how Species Blossom was to work? [18:12] nope [18:13] ah, did I tell you though? [18:13] that was a non-commital answer :-) [18:17] how did Roy's evolver project for college go? [18:18] no, you didn't tell me [18:18] not that I can recall at least [18:19] ah, well, its of course quite different from Species [18:20] damn. [18:20] sorry [18:20] fond memories for me, anyway ;-) [18:20] cya in an hour or so. [18:21] I won't be online [18:21] take care barklay [18:34] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [18:34] hi [18:34] hello fix [18:34] oops fiz [18:34] all well? [18:34] hi will :) [18:34] yes, back from vacation, so wasn't online last weeks [18:36] so how is it going? Haven't seen you for a while [18:36] no, I haven't been around for a while [18:36] not really hobby coding these days [18:36] how goes your hills? [18:37] well, not that active anymore than in the past [18:37] just 3 warriors on 94 nop :-P [18:38] but after vacation I think I am now relaxed enough to work on a new warrior [18:38] just need to know what kind of strategy ;-) [18:49] :-) [19:01] * willvarfa *Waves* [19:01] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [19:06] * Fizmo waves [19:06] MSG: [19:09] Join: Core_old_ joined #corewars [19:11] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [19:33] Join: Owner joined #corewars [19:33] Hi :-) [19:36] bleh. [19:37] Hi Bvowk! [19:38] My new website http://patchworkpixels.co.uk/ [19:39] Nick Change: Owner changed nick to John [19:41] whoa. [19:41] hey john [19:41] haven't seen you in *AGES* [19:43] No, working far too much! :-( [19:44] why? [19:44] is it xmas on your page? [19:45] I've taken over a couple of other people's jobs. [19:46] have you taken over their paycheques too? [19:46] Yeah, sorry about the colour scheme [19:46] cause if not, I think you're getting shafted [19:46] No, only a small pay increase :-( [19:46] Extra staff though! [19:46] bah. [20:15] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [20:15] hi [20:15] heya nenad.. [20:15] haven't seen you in ages either. [20:15] * bvowk has to leave in like 10 mintues tho [20:15] :( [20:15] Hi Nenad [20:15] Thanks for the forwarded results :-) [20:15] hacked anything cool lately nenad? [20:15] (and you john?) [20:15] well, about to [20:16] but not in corewar [20:16] however, going to try and make a couple of warriors as well [20:16] haven't done that for a veeery long time [20:17] Join: johnkw joined #corewars [20:17] also going to *finally* finish that data mining project -> will be done within three weeks from now, so I'll send you the results then [20:17] hi John [20:17] * johnkw waves [20:17] Metcalf: how are you? busy? [20:18] I have been too busy at work [20:47] I have to go in 10 mins, internet cafe will be closing [20:48] ... well, I hope we'll see you here some of the following days, as well [20:49] I'm back regularly now :-) [20:50] :) [20:52] I'll probably also come here more often now [20:54] Good, I wondered where you had disappeared to [20:54] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [20:57] * John waves [20:57] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [20:58] * Nenad waves [20:58] I'm off, as well... might be back tomorrow. cheers. [20:58] MSG: [22:07] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal