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[09:57]	<Mizcu> 7 lines, two free b-fields, not good..
[09:57]	<Mizcu> i would expect more from something that is .33c
[10:04]	<Mizcu> bah, unless Nenad arrives here to say that it might actually be good, ill just (again) dump it to John
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[13:17]	<Roy> Ow! dump it to me :)
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[17:12]	<Owner> Hi :-)
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[17:13]	<Mizcu> h
[17:13]	<John> Hi Mizcu
[17:15]	<Mizcu> what's your newest mail-addy?
[17:18]	<John> <CENSORED EMAIL> and <CENSORED EMAIL>
[17:18]	<John> Both are check most days
[17:20]	<Mizcu> you got some hotmail
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[17:25]	<John> Thanks, I'll check now
[17:26]	<John> Hi Paul
[17:26]	<codgeriff> Hey!
[17:26]	<John> What's new?
[17:26]	<codgeriff> my grandson's first birthday
[17:27]	<codgeriff> we got to see him on Saturday
[17:27]	<codgeriff> I'm sure he's going to be a redcoder!
[17:27]	<John> :-/
[17:28]	<John> More competition!
[17:28]	<John> I'm going to have to train my girlfriend to write redcode
[17:28]	<codgeriff> just train her to run optimax on her computer for you
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[17:28]	<John> I don't like optimizing
[17:29]	<codgeriff> that's why you have her do it :-)
[17:29]	<John> I keep making new stuff and none of it is effective :-(
[17:30]	<Mizcu> same with me
[17:30]	<Mizcu> though that one i mailed is not new
[17:31]	<codgeriff> what kind of new stuff?
[17:32]	<John> This doesn't seem to work:
[17:32]	<Mizcu> paper experiments
[17:32]	<John> step equ 2365
[17:32]	<John> gate equ (scan-2)
[17:32]	<John> scan add #step, ptr
[17:32]	<John>      jmz scan,  @ptr
[17:32]	<John>      mov bmb,   @ptr
[17:32]	<John> ptr  mov bmb,   @step+1
[17:32]	<John>      djn @scan, @ptr
[17:32]	<John>      mov dbmb,  >gate
[17:32]	<John>      djn.f *ptr+1, >gate
[17:32]	<John> dbmb dat 1,     11
[17:32]	<John> bmb  spl #1,    4
[17:32]	<John> end scan+1
[17:34]	<codgeriff> it looks like you are throwing single spl bombs
[17:35]	<codgeriff> maybe better to throw weak imps, if they land in a loop they
[17:35]	<codgeriff> should do better than a single spl
[17:36]	<John> Hmmm... maybe it's broke
[17:36]	<John> should place a carpet
[17:36]	<John> Maybe I should step through it in pMars ;-)
[17:37]	<codgeriff> there's no post-increment on either move
[17:39]	<codgeriff> ok, maybe i see it now
[17:39]	<John> The bomb has a b-field of 4.  The second mov should place a bomb indirectly through that b-field.  The djn should decrease it.
[17:39]	<codgeriff> clever!
[17:40]	<John> But performs badly.
[17:40]	<John> Just sent to Koth
[17:41]	<codgeriff> but it still only throws one carpet?  then goes into dclear
[17:41]	<codgeriff> but the dclear is not self-splitting
[17:41]	<codgeriff> ok, wait, i see it now - even more clever!
[17:41]	<Mizcu> it probably hits a spl on ptr+1
[17:42]	<John> Thanks :-)
[17:42]	<Mizcu> John has not yet commented the code i sent ;(
[17:43]	<Mizcu> not that there is much to it
[17:43]	<John> Sorry, I'm not quite there yet
[17:44]	<John> My girlfriend is also using the computer
[17:44]	<Mizcu> aww
[17:46]	<John> scanner posted above scored 105.81 on 94nop
[17:49]	<codgeriff> but ptr moves the bomb just ahead of the decrement every time,
[17:49]	<codgeriff> so it never goes to zero?
[17:50]	<John> Should do.
[17:50]	<codgeriff> ok, i see it now :-)
[17:51]	<codgeriff> still it's only a 4-wide carpet, not all that great against silks
[17:52]	<John> Does anyone use Stumbleupon?
[17:52]	<John> The version I sent to koth has step 2376 and 7 in the b-field of bomb
[17:54]	<codgeriff> fewer scans, sooner dclear.  your bombs will trigger one-shots into
[17:55]	<codgeriff> their wipes which are very fast
[17:55]	<John> Mizcu: that's a good idea
[17:56]	<John> Mizcu: I tried something similar without the speed up trick and it scored about 100 on the hill
[17:56]	<Mizcu> i am still worried about the speed-rate though
[17:57]	<Mizcu> and i dont trust the loop in that form
[17:58]	<codgeriff> be sure to put a datzero or two between your code and the bombs, that usually
[17:58]	<codgeriff> gives a few extra points against scanners
[17:58]	<John> Okay, trying that
[17:59]	<codgeriff> there's also an old trick of putting the spl bomb one line ahead of the loop
[17:59]	<John> I hate doing half a job though ;-)
[17:59]	<codgeriff> incase your jmp gets decremented
[18:01]	<John> I moved it from there so I could get the step to 5
[18:03]	<John> I sent a test to Koth, but no results yet.
[18:03]	<John> And I need to go out for dinner!
[18:04]	<codgeriff> too bad, it did worse!
[18:05]	<John> One last test ;-)
[18:06]	<John> I sent through 4 tests, but 2 seem to have vanished :-(
[18:07]	<codgeriff> give them a month, sometimes they go through a time warp and come through 
[18:07]	<codgeriff> i wonder if there is also a problem with using the same name and not waiting
[18:07]	<codgeriff> for them to finish...
[18:09]	<Mizcu> the koth-scripts need to be rebuit
[18:09]	<Mizcu> rebuilt
[18:09]	<John> :-/
[18:09]	<John> I shouldn't be so impatient!
[18:09]	<John> If I can figure out the bug, I can time submissions for while I'm on holiday!
[18:12]	<John> Okay, got to go!
[18:12]	* John waves
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