[01:54] Join: brad joined #corewars [01:55] hey [01:55] is anyone here? [01:55] hey Mizcu is it possible to increment or decrement by more then one? [01:56] johnkw u there? [03:10] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [09:56] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [10:11] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [11:51] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [13:42] Join: sf_ghoul joined #corewars [13:42] Hello [13:42] Datagram: what's happening with the tournament? [13:43] dont know if data himself knows either [13:44] :( [13:44] Hi Mizcu [13:45] yeah [13:49] Are there just 2 people left in it, or 4? [13:49] 4, iirc [13:50] chip with only wins, rest in the second-chance tree [13:52] How come there isn't a warrior age 1 on this hill? http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/current.pl?hill94xm [13:53] bug? [13:54] maybe it had to be backtracked because of a smacked submission? [13:54] * sf_ghoul is confused [14:01] Join: brad joined #corewars [14:01] hey guys [14:01] anyone here? [14:02] yah [14:02] hey hows it goin [14:02] only if you use nop just taking slowly, like every saturday [14:02] is it possible to increment or decrement by more then one? [14:03] no [14:03] darn [14:03] i figured out that trick that allows you to do a clean sweep with 2 lines of code(hence wondering if i could increment or decrement by more then one) [14:04] Hi Brad [14:04] hey sf_ghoul [14:05] i figured out that bombing trick all on my own [14:05] i feel so special [14:05] Brad, how about putting two processes into your code so they run simultanously [14:05] sorry if i am not "OOH":ing with you about your discovery [14:05] i wrote a nano program that bombed spl down the core and dat up it, but it sucked. [14:05] thats ok Mizcu it probably sucks anyways lol [14:06] i haven't found a very good use for it yet. [14:06] Or if the b-field of your jump is empty, you could add a thats what i mean [14:06] mov -1, 2 [14:06] jmp -1, >1 [14:06] oops [14:07] jmp -1, >-1 [14:07] How about: [14:07] mov -1, >-1 [14:07] jmp -1, >-2 [14:07] or mov -1, >2 | jmp -1, dosnt mov need both of it's fields? [14:08] Yes [14:08] so how could you put an increment in one? [14:09] addressing mode doesnt matter the value of the field [14:09] the second field in mov -1, >-1 will increment the location -1 and also mov to the location it points to [14:09] < and > and like @, but they change the value of the pointer [14:09] cool [14:09] If that doesn't make sense, tell me and I'll try to explain better [14:09] the most common replication engine of today uses mov }-1, >-1 [14:10] no i get it [14:11] i just dont get the replication engine bit. [14:11] no need to at this point [14:11] wouldn't it just jump forward and execute a dat? [14:11] it is better at first to create "old-style" replicator for practice [14:11] (and it can be quite a challenge) [14:11] Brad: the mov }-1, >-1 is part of a bigger warrior [14:12] oh ok. [14:12] It is reapeated of number of times to copy code from one location to another (where the location to and from are stored at -1) [14:13] ok. [14:13] * sf_ghoul is looking forward to the tournament [14:13] i kind of understand [14:14] i put a whold bunch of bots on the hill. [14:14] newbie hill that is lol [14:14] is it ok to have that many or is it considered bd form? [14:15] bad* [14:15] on newbie hill, i dont consider it to be bad [14:15] just dont push everyone else off [14:15] theyre all different warriors so. [14:15] (though it is bound to happen at some point ;) [14:16] what is the advantage of a scanner over a plain carpet bomber? [14:17] bombers and stones have hard time defeating paper, or replicators [14:17] An age limit of 100 would be better on the beginner hill [14:17] what is paper? [14:18] paper = replicator = program that prefers to copy itself around more than attacking [14:18] oh ya [14:18] (because copying itself around is also a type of offence, if it overwrites something) [14:18] ya, i got ya [14:18] i think ill try and write on of those. [14:19] replicators dont care about couple copies getting killed, since there are so many copies [14:19] ya, im gonna try and write one. [14:19] scanners will rather "stun" the copies to slow down the overall speed before giving the killing blow [14:19] because absolute speed of a warrior stays same regardless of the amount of copies [14:21] scanners usually scan for an opponent (obvious, isnt it) and deliver bigger payload than, say, single bomb from a stone [14:21] would spls be a good payload? [14:21] scanners lose to stones, because the bombs stones throw will trigger the scan (unless you throw dat 0,0's) [14:22] then just let out an imp or two [14:22] spl 0 (or spl #something) is the most common payload [14:22] well, an imp cannot kill an opponent [14:22] yes your right [14:22] only force opponent to selfkill in some cases [14:22] so then just a clean sweep with the dat [14:23] yes, search for something, give it a carpet of spl's, repeat for amount of times and dat-wipe [14:24] (carpet refers to X amount of instructions after each other, not widely spaced instructions as stones throw. Just to get your wording right) [14:29] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [14:31] bvowk where are you?! [14:33] probably not on hes computer [14:34] Why is he ill or something? [14:34] * sf_ghoul hopes bvowk gets better soon [14:39] Do you have any idea what Inversed has improved in q^i? [14:39] Not currently [14:40] probably more wide apart scans than in Q4 [14:50] Hey Fizmo what have you been up to [14:50] Bluebell was pushed off the hill age 204 and 211! [14:52] Why doesn't that bug ever work for me? :( [14:53] Mizcu: did you send SotBS to Koenigstuhl? [14:54] still havent bothered [15:14] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [15:14] :) [15:14] hi fluffer [15:14] * Fluffy kicks Mizcu [15:15] Anybody else? ;-) [15:15] * sf_ghoul kicks Fluff [15:15] * Fluffy removes sf's left eye with a spoon [15:16] .( [15:16] hehe [15:17] What have you been up to fluff? [15:17] :) [15:17] Nothing special. I've just been busy [15:19] And now it is almost winter. That's why I thought that it is time to play some cw [15:20] Are you planning to take part in Nenad's tournament? [15:21] Yes, I've already singed up for it by posting on rgc [15:21] *signed [15:22] I'm quite curious what Nenad has planned for the tournament [15:22] and I really hope that it is not an elimination tournament [15:23] perhaps everybody should get points in every round [15:23] (base on the warrior's performance) [15:23] *based [15:23] When did this rollback thing start happening on the hill? [15:23] huh? [15:23] 21 29/ 29/ 42 Bluebell Christian Schmidt 129 205 [15:24] 21 29/ 30/ 42 Bluebell Christian Schmidt 128 211 [15:24] Bluebell was pushed off age 205 [15:24] But the hill went back in time [15:24] hmm ... I have no idea [15:24] and it was pushed off again at age 211 [15:25] it must have happend while been busy [15:25] Koth needs its scripts rebuilt. [15:25] I have got 4 example of it now [15:26] If it's a new feature, I can't figure out how to make it work with my warriors :( [15:26] hey! ghoul is koth on '94nop :) [15:26] So where's the problem? [15:27] until next datting [15:27] :) [15:27] sf: Now is the time to pass on my wisdom! [15:27] sf: It works quite well to threaten everybody not to send warriors to be hill [15:27] * sf_ghoul looks for a notepad [15:28] That way you can stay koth as long as you want! [15:29] sf! Now it is time to thank me for that information! [15:29] Hurry up! [15:29] ;-) [15:33] Sorry, busy posting! [15:36] Right, we're off out for dinner now [15:36] * sf_ghoul waves [15:36] MSG: Quit: I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information. [15:43] * Fluffy waves way too late [16:40] hmm [16:40] good idea, bad working [16:41] ? [16:42] stupid me tried to use step-constants as a way to prevent self-hitting, but that is not the way with "sliding" pointer [16:46] hehe ... I know that problem and hit it regularly :) [16:46] it is as if I'm incapable of learning from errors [16:56] hmm, my brains arent in mood for debugging [17:00] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [17:00] Hi willvarfa :) [17:01] goddarnit [17:01] evening all [17:06] wtf [17:06] scanner loses 100% against 4 papers, but gets 85/15 against a bomber [17:07] which papers? [17:08] those of wilkies -_- [17:09] that reminds me of the fact that I still haven't written any scanner [17:11] hmm [17:11] this one socks [17:12] it smells? ;-) [17:12] quite yes [17:17] Now I'm giving BOINC a second chance. The last I've used it it kept on killing my X server [17:22] jmz.f #somewhere, {0 | mov.i something, }-1 | jmn.f -1,*-2 [17:27] rewind before using variable carpet, usefulness questionable [18:04] * Fluffy waves [18:04] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [18:10] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [18:23] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [18:23] :) [18:44] Join: Roy joined #corewars [18:44] h R [18:44] Hi [18:44] Hi Roy [18:47] sf has a nice first place..! [18:47] ... until someone dats the hill [18:47] No, then she'll still be first [18:47] And 4by2k second [18:48] Are you sure? [18:48] Yup, try it! [18:48] http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/hugetable.pl?hill94nop shows the datted score ;-) [18:49] If I'd do that I'd be killed by sf [18:49] But its rounded, so you can't predict the third place :) [18:50] I just thought of something (and posted it on r.g.c) why not have a tournament with scoring like the F1, 10 points for the winner, 9 for second etc [18:50] At the moment I'm satisfied with being on the hill and not pushed off after one challenge [18:50] * Roy hasn't developed anything for a long time now [18:53] Ah, just found my last project, a weird qscan (bad qscan) [18:54] Wow ... I've just noticed how old Last Judgement is [18:55] Maybe Christian gets a +1000 warrior this time [18:55] Yeah, it is pretty old! [18:57] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [18:57] hi hi [18:57] anybody there? [18:57] :-P [18:57] of course not [18:57] Hey Fizmo :) [18:57] hehehehe [18:58] Hi @ allllll [18:58] We've just been talking about Last Judgement [18:58] yeah [18:58] I really like LJ :) [18:58] Yes, we've already guessed that [18:58] and hope it could be my oldest warrior ever [18:59] Who doesn't? [18:59] I? [19:00] * Fluffy sighs [19:00] goes play Freespace 2 before the flamewar starts [19:00] -> [19:00] Do I really have to explain everything in detail ;-) [19:00] hehe [19:00] What is Freespace? [19:00] Hiya Fiz [19:00] Hi Roy [19:00] :-P [19:01] How is it going? [19:01] koth's irc seems back to live..... [19:01] hehehe [19:01] Yeah, been a long time! [19:02] yes yes [19:02] I was also off a long while [19:02] I just thought that maybe we should name new warriors according to a topic ;-) [19:03] hahah, sounds like a fluffy idea :-P [19:03] It would be fun to have only apocalyptic names on '94nop. LJ and Pandaemonium are already a start :) [19:03] Join: elkauka joined #corewars [19:03] http://www.lulu.com/crystalordonez <- the first picture are all drawn by me! [19:03] Fizmo: What else do you expect from me :) [19:03] Hi elkauka :) [19:03] Hi el kauka!!!!!! [19:03] hi@all [19:03] Hehe, woo! busy here [19:04] wow, really nice traffic here today [19:04] and people are actually talking [19:04] hehehe [19:04] :P [19:05] summer is over, let's focus again on corewar [19:05] :P [19:05] yes and we almost have a tournament [19:05] ohh, really? [19:05] cool [19:05] yes, Nenad has posted on rgc [19:06] I saw that datagram didn't finish his tournament :-/ [19:06] yes, that's sad :( [19:06] oh, I should have a look on r.g.c. [19:07] Roy: I like your idea for the scoring [19:08] Thanks, got inspired just yet watching F1 ;-) [19:08] cant remeber my group passwort -> nenad count me in! [19:09] elkauka: group password? [19:10] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [19:10] i'm reading r.g.c via google gui *ducks* [19:11] * Fluffy shrugs [19:11] as long as you get everything done [19:12] * Roy does that too [19:22] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [19:23] ups, was pinged without notice :-P [19:23] back [19:23] almost everybody is back to idle mode anyway ;-) [19:23] hehehehe, ok I see [19:24] anyway, Nenad, you can count me in too [19:24] I hope I'll have enough time for the tournament [19:25] Maybe I should create a fake account, which only sends imps [19:25] that way I could get more points ;-) [19:26] Erase the last two lines from your memory. That way I can cheat without you noticing [19:27] The last line maybe, too [19:29] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [19:29] Heh, Fluff, did you have any time yet to check the qscan I mailed? :) [19:29] Roy: Actually no [19:30] I'm now testing it for the first time, never optimized all those constants [19:31] the constants of a qscan? [19:31] The scan positions [19:31] Its fully customizable, all positions [19:31] Just make sure that a) scaned positions are more than 100 locations apart (if possible) [19:32] and b) scan those locations which are attacked by your warrior very late in the fight [19:32] Yeah.. [19:32] and of course don't scan locations -100 - +200 relative to first instruction of your warrior [19:35] Hehe yes, obviously [19:36] It doesn't seem to be that obvious because some qscans on Koenigstuhl do [19:38] Well, most people just copy qscans, and go for the ones that score best [19:38] And on most cases the Q4.5 available now scores best with unoptimal settings [19:45] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [20:00] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [20:09] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [20:10] great, the most "fun" mission of freespace 2 [20:10] what kinda fun? [20:11] assaulting a big mothersocking ship with a bomber, aquire lock on a subsystem while under constant flak-fire, and destroy four of them with insufficient amount of bombs [20:11] hehehze, sounds fun :-P [20:12] the real fun missions will be later on [20:12] but back to grind the mission --> [20:13] actually I like to play the zombie mod for cs:s [20:13] hahaha. never had so much fun than with that :-P [20:13] but must find the right server with the right settings [20:19] Join: JohnOlder joined #corewars [20:19] Hi [20:19] I'm just uploading the 94nop hof, updated as requested :-P [20:19] Nick Change: JohnOlder changed nick to John [20:19] cooool [20:20] Hi John :) [20:20] Hi Fizmo [20:20] Would have been here earlier, but I've been out for the day [20:20] Hi [20:21] no problem John, I came recently from a barbecue ;-) [20:21] Hi Roy [20:23] Here you go http://corewar.co.uk/94nophof.txt [20:24] 23th :-) [20:25] Nice, rising fast Fizzi! [20:25] at least my oldest Stone/imp ever :-P [20:26] Roy: but needs some more time to reach Revenge ;-) [20:26] Heh yeah, the more I see it, the more I realise it was pretty special [20:27] We haven't had a warrior age 1000+ since 2004 [20:27] Will a 94nop or a nano warrior get there first? [20:28] * Roy hopes Nano :P [20:28] hehehe, I think I have to make some testing on 94nop with a new warrior :-P [20:29] Is ShuttingDown the oldest living warrior atm? [20:29] Does anyone have the challenge results I'm missing for 94nop please? http://corewar.co.uk/missing.txt [20:30] Roy: yes [20:32] Yippie :) well... all credits to my evolver then :( [20:34] John: 94 draft and 94nop shouldn't be a problem [20:34] I could collect for you [20:34] just give me some few times [20:35] Thanks :-) [20:35] to which e-mail I should forwar? [20:35] forward? [20:36] please [20:37] I think I need to improve the navigation on my website [20:45] ftp is being slow today :-( [20:55] Time to go [20:55] * John waves [20:55] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [21:06] gotta go too [21:06] * Fizmo waves [21:06] byebye@all [21:06] MSG: [22:12] MSG: [22:27] Join: brad joined #corewars [22:27] hey [22:27] anyone here? [22:28] Mizcu, are you here? [22:28] johnkw are you here? [22:30] FINE THEN :) [22:31] if anyone gets here say "hi brad" so i know k? [23:53] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [23:54] Part: Core_old left #corewars [23:57] hi brad [23:57] you dont seem to get the point behind IRC [23:58] it is not to hurry with things