[02:39] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [02:41] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [02:41] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [02:44] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [02:44] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:44] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [02:46] Join: asw joined #corewars [02:47] Join: datagram joined #corewars [02:48] Join: pak21 joined #corewars [06:14] Join: multimode joined #corewars [08:37] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [08:38] *yaaaaaaawn* [08:39] boooooooooring [09:58] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [14:02] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [14:02] :) [14:03] . [14:06] Any news about Nenad's tournament? [14:06] havent heard [14:12] hmm, stupidity in code detected [14:13] your code? [14:13] y [14:13] I'm just playing around with screen. [14:13] I still don't understand why stopped using it [14:13] *I [14:13] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [14:14] because you are mr Fluffy? [14:14] Hi fiveop? [14:14] Mizcu: huh? [14:15] you silly Fluffy [14:15] Yes, I already knew that :) [14:15] But now I've reinstalled it and have already 9 "windows" running. [15:19] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [15:33] MSG: [15:40] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:40] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [15:49] Join: John joined #corewars [15:49] Hi :-) [15:49] hi [15:49] Hi Jens [15:49] Do you know how to make web page switch CSS files (without Javascript)? [15:50] It's for an improvement to corewar.co.uk [15:50] You could use alternate stylesheets [15:50] What do you mean "switch"? How's this change going to be triggered? [15:50] at least Opera and Firefox show them [15:51] By clicking on a link [15:51] Unless that's JS, that will just take you to another page surely? [15:52] why not use a PHP/Python/Perl-script which uses the "correct" css file [15:52] I didn't know if I could do a [15:52] perhaps with some special attribute [15:53] What's the matter with using JS? [15:53] The idea is to have a big list of stuff, with some hidden. [15:53] Changing the css shows the hidden stuff on the list. [15:53] how about a simple :hover-effect? [15:53] JavaScript and modify your DOM is the way to do it. [15:54] For my links page. So I can show the most important links, with the option to view all the additional links [15:54] So you want a simple CSS-menu? [15:54] No not a menu. [15:55] popup? [15:55] Just a long list of links, with some hidden. When something like "more links..." is clicked the page shows them all [15:55] you can do than without JS [15:55] *that [15:56] Just let me finish my meal and I'll search for the code [15:56] Thanks, I couldn't figure out how. [15:56] Are you eating by the computer fluffy? [15:57] of course [15:57] :-) [15:57] TV has nothing interestingt [15:57] I've just finished my "last" book [15:57] so computer is the most interesting thing [15:57] Which book? [15:58] * John is reading one by P.K.Dicks [15:58] * pak21 has just run out of new reading material for the first time in months. [15:58] :-( [15:59] "Judas unchained" [15:59] by Peter Hamilton [15:59] People keep buying me books, I never run out [15:59] My last couple were "The Wanting Seed" and "We" [15:59] * pak21 has in fact just finished "The Naked God". He really, really needs a better editor. [16:00] why [16:01] Because the trilogy goes on for ~4000 pages and could have been written in about half that without losing much. [16:01] :-) [16:01] Noooo! [16:01] I really hate short books [16:01] Is anyone around here unspoiled and wants to remain that way? [16:01] Anything under 1000 pages needs less than 2 days [16:02] and it is kind of disappointing to reach the end after just having started to read [16:03] pak21: I think nobody is any more unspoiled now ;-) [16:03] I won't be reading it :-) [16:03] So I don't mind spoilers [16:04] Not too much, but just to say while I expected a deus ex machina ending, that was just ridiculous. [16:05] I far more liked entire planets destroyed (i.e. vanishing) than just being invaded [16:05] This looks useful - http://www.scrutinizethis.com/ [16:06] John: Just finished eating .. [16:06] :-) [16:06] Especially the Sleeping God's attempts to explain away /why/ it wasn't a deus ex machina. [16:06] hehe ... I just forgot that we are talking about Night's Dawn :) [16:08] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [16:08] hi hi [16:08] John: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/alternate/ [16:08] Hi Fizmo [16:08] Hi Fluffy :) [16:08] John: I know that it is JS but works nice [16:09] yay, got a spreader on the 94nop hill :-P [16:09] Hi Fizmo [16:09] Fizmo: Nice :) [16:09] hi John :) [16:09] Hmm ... I didn't notice that Pandaemonium has already been pushed off :( [16:10] There's an '88 warrior near the top of '94nop [16:10] your warrior? [16:10] coooool :) [16:12] John: http://www.alistapart.com/d/hybrid/hybrid-3.html [16:14] Thanks fluffy [16:14] Looking at the first one now [16:15] John: I've just /msg-ed you. Did you see it? [16:15] Yes [16:16] That second one doesn't really work as it reverts as soon as you leave the menu. [16:16] Hi Phil:) [16:17] I want to change my links page so it shows only the most important links, until "More..." is click on, then it will show the remainder [16:17] I thought the CSS display: none would hide them, but I'm not sure how to unhide them without swapping CSS [16:18] Why don't you just make "More ..." a link to the a new page, which has more information [16:20] Because then I'd have to maintain two pages! [16:21] Pull it all out of a database. [16:21] I can do html, css and Redcode. Can't do anything with databases :-( [16:21] Though I have been trying to learn Perl [16:22] John: You have a lot of pages on your homepage. I can only recommend that you automatically generate you pages [16:22] otherwise you'll spend more and more time working on the changes than on the content [16:22] I've learned the hard way :( [16:23] * pak21 has also [16:23] :-( [16:25] well, I think the same counts for my website too :-/ [16:26] Writing the little bit of html / css doesn't bother me. [16:26] I just tweak the text inside the html files [16:27] The content always takes much more time [16:27] ... unless you start to change the design [16:27] I shouldn't change the design too often... [16:28] Just changing now to improve the navigation and front page [16:28] John: http://www.shadowmagic.org.uk/menu.html [16:28] Oh yeah, my pages have moved (but there are redirects in place for the old ones, so it shouldn't matter too much). [16:28] Besides, if I get it right I should only need to change the CSS to change the design [16:29] Phil: thanks, can I use that? :-) [16:29] 'course you can. [16:30] I suppose I can also hide the "More..." by putting it in a
and setting that to display: none [16:30] John: But that's JS! [16:31] But it's a oneliner! [16:31] * Fluffy sighs [16:31] :-) [16:31] Is Lynx the only browser which doesn't suppose JS? [16:32] w3m [16:32] Something I was using on a remarkably underpowered box... [16:33] I think links has problems with JS, too [16:34] John: But do you really want to write a special version for text-only browsers? [16:34] No, don't need to. [16:35] Lynx won't support the CSS either so the links wouldn't be hidden in the first place [16:36] so just test with ie/firefox/opera [16:36] Dillo [16:36] (that's the browser I was running, BTW) [16:38] Can we convince you to link us all from your CW page Phil? ;-) [16:38] Only if I get some time... [16:38] :-) [16:39] John: Isn't that what that imp-ring is for? [16:40] Well I hoped my page might be worth including under "The Best Core War places on the Net" [16:41] (When I've made some improvements!) [16:43] I haven't used my Spectrum for ages :-( [16:43] I remember sitting for hours hand-assembling machine code! [16:43] Does it still work? [16:43] Yes [16:44] The problem there would be I'd feel I'd have to do a proper re-sort, rather than just adding your site. It wouldn't seem fair on other people otherwise. [16:44] I've got 40+ classic computers which work [16:44] cool :) [16:44] Phil: not to worry :-) [16:44] I was some weeks ago in the technical museum and thy had a lot of ancient computers there [16:45] There is a computer museum in the U.K. [16:46] The first computer I was working was an Apple III [16:47] and then Commodore VC20 [16:47] hehehe, I remember that I programmed some games on it :-P [16:49] BTW, there exists a lot of emulators for old computers [16:49] cool would be an c64 emulator for Gameboy Advance :-P [16:51] Ha. There are two GBA Speccy emulators :-) [16:51] speccy? [16:51] ZX Spectrum? [16:51] Yes. Sorry... [16:51] hahaha, ok ;-) [16:52] there are some more emulators for GBA :-P [16:52] I first had a Commodore 16, then a Spectrum +2, then a Spectrum +3, then an Amstrad CPC464, then Commodore 64, then a Dragon 32, then an Oric, then a Hektor III, then an MSX, then a Cray [16:52] wooooow [16:52] coool [16:53] I have others too, but I can't remember in which order. [16:53] my VC20 was the only computer I owned myself [16:53] I just remember my first few. There are some I am looking for. [16:53] a Cray? [16:53] the next was a 286 [16:53] I think I have a VIC20 [16:53] which one? [16:54] Fluffy: It's a Cray workstation, which works with a supercomputer. [16:54] It just has 8 processors [16:55] And what did/do you use it for? [16:55] It weight a ton, it's as big as a washing machine, and the casing is so thick you could probably shoot at it without causing any damage [16:55] hahaha, I can imagine [16:56] Just ran some numeric programs on it for fun [16:56] and who payed the power fill? [16:56] I once wrote for a company a programm in industrial basic on a MAI industrial pc [16:56] *bill [16:56] it was big and heavy as a rock [16:56] It has 12 fans in the back, creates a nice breeze [16:56] loool [16:56] I had to pay the power bill! [16:56] hehe [16:57] * pak21 goes home [16:57] * John waves [16:57] * Fluffy waves [16:57] Thanks for your help Phil [16:58] No problem... [16:59] * Fizmo waves [17:01] I keep making new scanners but they don't score very well :-/ [17:01] :( [17:01] I just re-working the spreader stuff [17:01] the looped bootsequence booting stones and implaunchers [17:14] What else have you been up to lately Christian> [17:14] Have you signed up for Nenad's tournament? [17:15] yes, I recently posted on r.g.c. [17:15] I just worked on that spreader stuff as it seems to work nicely under '88 [17:15] but hadn't much success on 94 [17:15] :-/ [17:16] I thing it's now the highest place for that on 94 [17:21] actually I haven't planned a new warrior [17:21] just run out of ideas a bit [17:23] :-( [17:24] yaaaayyyy [17:24] My ideas don't seem to work at the moment [17:24] I got an idea :-P [17:24] hehehehe, how funny [17:25] What kind of idea, scanner? hybrid? [17:25] new imp? ;-) [17:27] Join: fiz_dinne joined #corewars [17:27] ups [17:27] :) [17:27] Nick Change: fiz_dinne changed nick to Fizzy [17:27] ol [17:27] lol [17:28] I got disconnected but still am here [17:28] now I am doubled :-P [17:29] Your other half will die soon ;-) [17:29] idea is that I launch stone and paper right behind each other, but the boot loops back, so that it continues to boot and launch further copies of the stone [17:29] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:29] while the paper is still growing [17:30] Yes, that's worth trying [17:30] But doesn't make that the stone to slow? [17:30] I actually don't know [17:30] It needs lots of processes to outshine the paper during the start [17:30] maybe if you launch several stones.... [17:31] good luck :) [17:31] yeah, that's the problem with stone/paper that the stone needs a lead over the paper in the beginning [17:32] to keep ahead with it [17:32] maybe you should take a "slow" paper, which doesn't create new processes as fast as silkstyle papers do [17:32] maybe a moore-style paper :-P [17:33] no [17:33] but I thing I go for a silk-style [17:33] that would create a new hulla [17:33] yes yes [17:33] maybe I start with a ccpaper ;-) [17:34] ... or don't tell us at all ;-) [17:34] hehehe [17:38] Are there papers out there which kill both sai and sbi nicely? [17:39] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:40] I had a go at writing one once [17:40] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [17:40] It worked to some degree [17:40] John: Did you publish it? [17:40] No idea [17:42] Join: Fizzy joined #corewars [17:44] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:45] Fizmo: Do you still use a dialup connection? [17:45] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [17:45] am I online now? [17:45] yes [17:45] hmmm, get disconnected all the time [17:45] But the question is whether you are still NOW online ;-) [17:45] hahahahaa [17:46] programming done [17:46] now I need a [17:46] naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame [17:46] :-P [17:46] Disconnected? [17:46] Offline? [17:47] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:47] lol [17:47] * John needs to go [17:47] * Fluffy waves [17:48] Maybe back later [17:48] * John waves [17:48] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [17:50] Join: Fizzy joined #corewars [17:50] should work now [17:50] :) [17:52] Join: fizzzz joined #corewars [17:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:53] looks like stones are sloooow :-/ [17:54] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [17:54] how about another spl :) [17:57] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [18:06] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [18:06] any progress with you paper/stone? [18:06] maybe I just need to split back processes from the paper side [18:07] stones are still too slow [18:07] scanner resistance is still increased, but not that much than I would like to have it [18:08] so it needs some more tweaking ;-) [18:09] anybody there? [18:09] yes, I'm still alive :) [18:10] ;-) [18:11] hahaha, I have to say something [18:11] otherwise I will be kocked off again :-P [18:11] kicked [18:12] tweak tweak tweak [18:14] blablablaaa [18:14] Do you really think that this is the cause for your frequent disconnects? [18:16] It looks like that [18:16] :) [18:16] at least it would be nice, because then I have to chat :-P [18:17] Seems as if I've really found something new [18:17] a paper, which kills other papers, sai and sbi :) [18:18] that would be cool [18:18] Unfortunately it is killed by simple stones :( [18:18] ahaaa [18:18] ok [18:18] I can weakly imagine :-P [18:18] huh? [18:18] it's more in direction of LP paper then [18:19] I won't comment that :) [18:20] hehehe, ok ok [18:22] hey, you have to continue to chat ;-) [18:23] hahaha, yes [18:23] but I need to go now [18:23] :-/ [18:23] * Fluffy waves [18:24] maybe I am back later the evening [18:24] cu [18:24] * Fizmo waves [18:24] MSG: [18:26] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [18:26] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [19:03] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [19:35] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [19:39] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [21:06] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:21] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [22:33] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal