[00:26] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [02:59] ping [05:43] Part: Waknuk left #corewars [08:32] ping [10:29] Join: impomatic joined #corewars [11:21] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [11:26] Hi Nenad [11:26] hallo... [11:27] question: are imp spirals really useful? [11:27] Hi Ares [11:27] hi all [11:27] ares: yes, they are [11:27] Ares: yes they are useful when combined with other things [11:28] hm - as i understand it, the are more vulnerable than single imps... [11:28] Against what? [11:28] ...because they support each other... one of the three (or what the number is) is hit and the others die...!? [11:29] That's an imp ring [11:29] oops [11:30] An imp spiral has more than three processes [11:30] okay, ill search for "spirals" and have a look [11:31] An imp ring (or spiral) will only die if the first instruction is hit or the instruction about to execute is hit [11:31] * ares_ is puzzled [11:32] okay i know about 2 possibilities: somthin like mov 0,2 mov 0,2 ("worm"?) and sth like mov 0,2667 (coresize 8k) [11:33] mov 0, istep, where GCD(coresize, istep) = 1 [11:34] Imagine the imp ring. 3 instructions of MOV 0,2667 [11:35] If of of them gets hit by a DAT, there is a good chance there will be a MOV 0,2667 exactly 2667 instructions before it. [11:35] And this will be executed before the DAT has chance to execute. [11:35] aah! [11:35] So suddenly it's a MOV 0,2667 again and the imp ring survives :-) [11:35] i get to the point... so it is only a 1:3 chance to destroy the thing [11:36] and even less for a spiral [11:36] unless you use smart bombs [11:36] :) [11:36] i tested some ring agains a jmp 0,<-2 and the gate allways destroyed the opponent... !? [11:36] try Nimbus spiral [11:37] gates almost always beat imps [11:38] But if the imp spiral is moving slowly enough, it'll never reach the gate [11:38] there ARE spiral-busting spirals [11:38] *gate-busting [11:38] :) [11:39] mean gate busting? [11:40] the nimbus also dies on contact to the gate... well i will continue my studies *G* [11:40] btw, don't forget about Afield imps [11:40] mov.i #istep, *0 [11:41] Ares: have you read this? http://corewar.co.uk/chapter1.txt [11:41] there is a difference in scores... different vulnerabilities [11:41] i just found this in google, looking for the nimbus spiral... [11:42] i find it hard to get into the material... writing the simulator was easy in comparison [11:46] thx [11:46] well, I'd have to disagree :) [11:46] if that was true, there'd be 100 simulators by now :) [11:47] hm. [11:47] the trickiesd thing was the debugger-UI... the rest is nearly like copy'n [11:47] paste of the icws draft [11:49] parsing is the worst bit in my opinion [11:50] don't mention it... we're doing compiler construction on lectures these weeks... [11:50] oh yes, i forgot... maybe i wanted to forget it... parsing strict-draft94 is easy but this for thing... still missing :-( [12:22] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [12:26] MSG: Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF) [12:27] hi Core_old :) [12:30] Join: impomatic joined #corewars [12:45] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [12:51] * Nenad waves [12:52] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [12:53] * impomatic waves [12:53] MSG: Quit: CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19) [12:53] ~ [12:53] MSG: [12:59] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [13:14] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [13:15] Join: ares joined #corewars [13:15] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:15] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:17] Join: pak21 joined #corewars [13:27] Join: Mizcu joined #corewars [13:28] grumble grumble [13:48] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:48] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [13:49] Nimbus is but an ordinary (127 process jmp/add-launched) spiral, not a gate-crashing. If you want a gate-crasher, rip one off Cannonade. [13:49] aye [13:51] okay, this one does better [13:53] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:53] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [14:30] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [14:30] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [14:30] MSG: Client Quit [14:52] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [15:43] Join: Roy joined #corewars [15:43] hi R [15:49] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [15:56] Hi [16:19] hi [16:31] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [18:03] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [18:57] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [20:33] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [20:34] MSG: Client Quit [20:34] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [20:52] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [22:09] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [22:22] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [22:43] MSG: Quit: Ik ga weg [22:50] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com