[02:22] MSG: Quit: . [02:23] Join: ares joined #corewars [02:50] Join: Waknuk joined #corewars [02:51] Hi Ares, Mizcu (?) [02:51] whois pak21 [02:51] :) [02:51] hi [02:51] * Waknuk is looking for mts alternate [02:51] mts? [02:52] It's a C program that runs a tournament. I think pak21 wrote it log ago [02:52] ahh... is writing your own too much work? [02:54] hi [02:55] No, done so several times before and don't feel like doing so again right this second thanks. [02:55] i have a simple program that Metcalf made [02:55] pak21 made koth.tar.gz I see. Will look for. [02:55] John's progs are win (or dos) based ... [02:56] yes, its made in qbasic :) [02:56] I ran mts all night and it hung without giving results... [02:56] uh [02:56] I thought you'd wake-up Miz ;) [02:57] was having a game of Civ4 [02:58] Ah, an improvement on Civ & CivII ? [02:59] * Waknuk didn't really get into III [02:59] i couldnt care less about Civ3 but this 4 is awesome [03:01] Interesting. [03:02] * Waknuk now has a new plan for the w/e or maybe holiday season... [03:04] How's it going Ares? [03:05] fine... i am currently tweaking the manual, and when i like the german version i am going to translate it into english [03:06] and again i am thinking of making a book schools (in austria they have 1 year of computer education at normal schools) [03:06] I tried out A.R.E.S. briefly recently (on someone else's pc) [03:07] Nice to see a debugger. [03:07] what is your opinion on the program? i saw, that it is _very_ slow in comparison to other marses [03:07] but it does more [03:08] Well I'm fond of pmars so hard to say. I like pmars graphics and especially debugging. [03:08] Plus it works on windows & linux and the source is available. [03:08] hm... i should have a closer look at pmars... [03:08] That said A.R.E.S looked nice/useful. I don't think the laternate non-pmars windows program has debugging [03:09] laternate == alternate [03:09] The display/visualization seemed a little small. Is there a way to adjust it? [03:10] its 4x4 pixels per cell in the largest view... you can use the zoom option to view more core... if you are using say a 100.000 cells.... [03:10] you think, its too small? [03:11] I didn't see/try Zoom, should ahve looked harder. I was looking at a lcd from an angle. [03:12] should have == I should have [03:12] it looks like there is nobody using large core sizes, and i did not find a hill yet, that supports read/write limits [03:12] the mars debugger is scriptable [03:13] define scriptable [03:13] The largets competition hill is 94x at koth.org. It is size 5540 [03:13] i mean 55440 [03:14] that's small in comparison... maybe enough, but ares allows a meg (or more, if i want to) [03:15] scriptable ~= it is a language in it's own right. It can be used to create macros / write to files / suppress/show output. loops etc. etc. [03:16] This is a great windows adaption of pmars: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jpihlaja/cw/pmars-sdl/ [03:16] It's pmars's using SDL but mostly looks and acts like normal pmars. [03:16] thanks... i'll have a look at it [03:17] it has the advantage that the graphics don't run too quickly. [Seriosuly] [03:17] ..but pmars(es) are not newbie-friendly. Corewin & A.R.E.S seem to be. [03:18] ares is not scriptable... but has break conditions and allows manipulating the core at any time, especially useful with the experimental extension [03:19] Experimental extention? I'm afraid i missed that too. [03:19] corewin is nice and fast, but ares is built primarily for beginners, it is allready used at some schools... gives much visualization [03:19] ares has a virtual console, i call it "hermes" extension [03:20] you can write interactive user applications... in hermes mode also a stack and subroutines are supported [03:21] ares v1 had a small basic interpreter as "ROM" module [03:21] So it's more for teaching programming than just corewars? [03:21] written in "bluecode" [03:21] i currently try to make it a useful tool for you, the real redcoders, too [03:21] since yesterday there is a benchmark function [03:24] [Ok, I found koth.c - not what I thought it was. I already have scripts that do that - was looking for multi-warrior) [03:24] but the assembler needs to be rewritten... the draft needs to be rewritten [03:24] It's hard to follow without trying it again. [03:25] Ah, I see from your web-site it updated yesterday. [03:26] aye [03:26] This must have taken quite some time to put together. [03:26] 3 phases of one month each [03:27] not counting my mars, that i wrote on the atari st with Omicron Basic *g* [03:28] the bad thing is, i am not very expirienced in writing c within a graphical os, ares is written in delphi, using very slow graphic objects [03:29] i allways read, that real programmers dont write pascal [03:29] hmm.... [03:29] but the delphi ide is really great [03:30] Some started learning using pascal ~ it was popular in universities before java, right? [03:30] i suppose... i never was at a university [03:30] i never finished a school... and never got asked for papers [03:31] Real programmers write programs ... that's all you need for the definition. [03:32] *g* okay [03:33] Ok, time I went. I want to make some changes. [03:33] i could need some support on the new assembler... basically i dont want to figure out, how pmars works by testing it... i tried reading the source, but its nearly not commented.... [03:33] i need exact information on how the preprocessing is to be done [03:34] especially the EQU's [03:34] Try reading exhaust's code (or maybe exmars) they are both faithful to pmars but written more clearly. [03:34] ah [03:34] k [03:34] I don't think exhaust does the pre-processing. [03:35] i thought exhaust has only a basic processor [03:35] Are you familair with Will varfar's site? He compared some mars's in depth [03:35] i am not sure, what is meant with "simple text replacing tool" (Draft94) [03:35] i dont know if i visited his page [03:36] You foudn thsi? http://www.koth.org/info/pmars-redcode-94.txt [03:37] i read this before (2 years ago) and was uncertain... i will read this again... have some more links? i want to avoid asking unneccesary questions [03:39] Will's mars ananlysis is at: http://redcoder.sourceforge.net/?p=whichmars [03:40] BTW for a long time there have been more hills and marses than visibly active players ;) [03:40] *g* [03:40] However, there are many players who fade in and out, reutring when the next 'big idea' finally pays off [03:42] In pmars the variable substitiutions (using EQU) are textual not numeric. [03:43] * Waknuk waves [03:43] leavin? [03:43] * Waknuk nods [03:44] have a good day, or night, or whatever it is *g* bye! [03:44] & thx [03:44] Mizcu, you're right. exhasut was basic for embedding. 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