[00:55] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [02:17] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [11:04] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [11:04] :) [11:20] ya [11:22] Join: gareththe joined #corewars [11:22] h garteh [11:22] hi [11:22] Hi Mizcu, gareththe :) [11:22] hello [11:22] btw. ahoi [11:53] ares: I've just been on the ARES-Homepage really missed some screenshots :) [12:17] http://badvista.fsf.org/ - Nice idea, but I think that a lot of people simply won't care :( [12:20] yes, most companies just blindly use microsoft products for everything without even thinking about it I think [12:22] No, I didn't mean that. I don't care what companies do. It is up to them. A normal user simply wants a working system. Unfortunately neither Windows nor Linux can deliver that, but Windows has a shiny desktop and is more or less installed as the default. [12:23] That's why normal users will use it and maybe eventually complain about its restrictions. [12:23] ... which I seriously doubt, because people are simply stupid. [12:24] it was because vista is coming out that I switched to linux :-) [12:24] fluffy: http://harald.ist.org/index.php?site=ares&page=aresmanual&lang=de [12:24] but I'm not an 'average user' I guess [12:25] ares: Nice! It seems as if I've missed that link :) [12:25] gareththe: I hope not :) [12:26] err [12:26] you know, what I mean [12:26] hehe yse [12:26] *yes [12:28] but in the business arena, it is probably easier to run linux because you can have IT staff to do all the admin tasks which are usually more complicated in linux [12:28] and it is easier to restrict standard users who simply need office type programs or whatever [12:29] yes, but is it really more complicated to administrate a *nix system [12:29] indeed [12:30] I usually need more time to find the right entry to click on to do sth. on Windows. [12:30] but that's probably because I don't really use Windows [12:30] I only delete it and install Linux then :) [12:31] Yay! It is time for another compile orgy! Now it is KDE and GNOME :) [12:32] .. and maybe Wine to run IE [12:33] Why can't they just use ONE browser [12:33] because monocultures more likley get sick [12:34] Who cares about that? I want less work when developing a HTML-page [12:37] my homepages doesnt need browser switches [12:38] homepage [12:39] I don't program browser switches, but avoid the use of CSS-code that triggers bugs in the most common browsers [12:39] you just need to find out, what css options cause problems, most do not [12:40] Then try that stupid IE (bother 6 & 7) [12:40] arent you using a doctype? [12:41] Version 7 seems to be new but still can't handle XHTML correctly :( [12:41] hm [12:41] and they didn't even fix half of the known CSS bugs [12:42] (known as in "known for years") [12:42] load up the content as jpg :-)=) [12:42] I'm still on 64 KiB/s [12:44] and how would do simple roll-overs with jpegs? [12:45] what is that? [12:46] if you are over an image it changes [12:46] *g* change the whole page [12:46] and reverts back to the old one, if you mov ethe mouse away [12:47] * Fluffy kicks ares [12:47] ouch [12:54] finally done [12:54] doing what? [12:54] reorganized my tables so i can fit my new audio-stuff [12:56] that sounds expensive [12:56] dad's old stuff [12:57] stereo-reciever/amplifier from 80's, and two speakers [13:15] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [13:17] Hi old Core! [13:18] hi [13:33] MSG: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:33] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [16:56] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [17:09] hi fop [17:16] hi [17:16] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [17:16] :) [17:16] (: [17:18] I've almost finished installing IE on Linux :) [17:18] Wine seems to work without problems [17:18] thats perverted, ie on linux [17:18] ares v2.33 released! [17:19] Yes, but that way I can test homepages without Windows [17:19] and not having to start windows is quite nice [17:20] especially, if you have all the different IE versions installed at once :) [17:20] i use 4 computers *g* [17:21] lol [17:21] why so many, you are not like bvowk or something [17:22] Mizcu: I have 4 working computers here, too [17:25] I've a "big" dual celeron 500 for running big apps, a little Linksys NSLU-2 with a NFS-server, a computer called "bunny" for doing all the optimizations for corewar and a laptop. So there's nothing unusual with having 4 computers [17:27] I have a tabletop. Does everything. [17:27] yes, until it dies [17:28] hmm ... I wonder, whether I can get IE 7 to run [17:32] that's quite a lot to download :( [17:42] Join: Waknuk joined #corewars [17:44] Hi Waknuk [17:44] Hi all. Did Nenad ever publish the R2 tables & warriors? [17:45] He did publish the final results on rgc [17:45] but the rest? I don't think so [17:46] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [17:46] And since I've nicely lost to almost all warriors I'm not sure whether I really want my defeat laid out before me ;-) [17:46] * Waknuk think's he'll concentrate his limited time on the hills then [17:46] which one? [17:47] 94,94nop,X [17:48] I have maybe time for one new warrior in the next month or two... [17:48] good luck then :) [17:50] * Waknuk wonders if Core_old is the coffee coder [17:51] You may have done well in one core [17:52] yes, but I've neglected to write an acceptable warrior for 8399 [17:53] I wrote a do-nothing paper for it but the spread was terrible [17:54] 8399 (stone switched with paper), 1400 (stone switched with untested vamp) [17:54] 1400: massive qscan + YAP (paper), 8399: simple stone [17:55] pspacer with components that worked on both cores [17:55] 8399 was very paper friendly ... stone will have been crushed? [17:56] yes, they all crushed it (except for the scanners) [17:56] I intended same stone in both cores but ended up with two, bigger, carbonites [17:57] * Fluffy is away for a few minutes to test the KDE install [17:57] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [17:57] Fluffy not active on the hills ate present? [17:57] too late. [18:00] It's a shame to submit bad warriors to the tournament but the rounds are close [18:03] * Waknuk would like talk with Will V re Kepler [18:09] Join: gareththe joined #corewars [18:10] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [18:10] back again :) [18:10] hi [18:11] It is nice to have all browsers under one OS :) [18:11] Hi Gareth ... you inspired me to add a vamp to my R2 entry [18:11] really :) [18:11] I'm still trying to make one that's fit for a hill... [18:11] Well loosely speaking ... I'd have gone for one anyway ;) [18:12] More accurately I've been trying to update my last 94nop vamp [18:12] I find the concept of vampires interesting, but it seems tricky to make a good one [18:13] there seem to be a lot of stones about too [18:13] Fluffy what's the IE perf like? How many versions did you install? [18:13] So far I have 5.5 and 6.0 and downloading 7 [18:14] Vamps have more promise for pspacers than 94nop as can be switched out when in trouble [18:14] 5.5 and 6.0 work "without problems", i.e. they are fast enough to see how my pages look like [18:14] (and where problems are) [18:14] and that's all I want :) [18:14] Another potentially nice hill for Vamps is the LP hill at SAL [18:15] * Waknuk nods [18:15] yes I was thinking about pswitching but I haven't written anything that uses that before [18:18] You were looking for newer tutorials/guides? Here's Lukasz Grabun's Book of Stone [18:18] http://grabun.com/corewar/book/ [18:18] interesting tnx! [18:29] Fluffy, re 'bug' in pmars. It's a feature that the maths is replace as text not as computed values. [18:30] yes, did I say otherwise? [18:31] Yes ... March 06 :) [18:32] It's safest to put all EQU's in parenthesis [18:33] yes, I learned that the hard way ;) [18:34] *g* [18:41] Hello ares .. you in turn inspired me to use simple variables in my newest warrior :) [18:42] how? [18:42] variables? [18:43] glad to be inspiring [18:43] single character variables. e.g dat n=123 && 0, 0 [18:43] damn... i did not implement that yet *g* [18:44] Ilmari's guide describes the oddities of usage. My usage was unnecessary. [18:55] Ares (& Pavel if he watches) - pmars sim.c is used for parsin by other marses (e.g. exmars) [18:56] parsin==parsing [19:00] Was there a QS Part IV post? [19:00] yes [19:00] but it was too large and goole didn't archive it [19:00] (I think) [19:01] want me to send you a copy? [19:01] http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.corewar/browse_thread/thread/97f8dd88e1ba4c55/07ea42574a5f695c?lnk=gst&q=quickscanners+IV&rnum=1#07ea42574a5f695c [19:01] (that's part IV) [19:02] http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.corewar/browse_thread/thread/2f0e704e30b62b1c/1732535c319787aa?lnk=gst&q=quickscanners+IV&rnum=2#1732535c319787aa [19:02] (that's part V) [19:02] I've never published part VI [19:02] ... so far ;-) [19:05] http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/quickscanners/intro.en.html and http://corewars.jgutzeit.de/quickscanners/intro_parchment.en.html might eventualy become interesting, too [19:05] Thanks. [19:06] I saw these. I think Joonas wrote a generator that may have used single-character variables. Most likely in a CoreWarrior. Will lookly some other time. [19:13] Time to go [19:13] * Fluffy waves [19:13] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [19:15] Join: John joined #corewars [19:15] Hi :-) [19:17] hi johnson [19:17] Hi Mizzle [19:18] Join: Core_old_ joined #corewars [19:18] Found Joonas's QuickSan article CW84. [19:18] Hi John. [19:18] Hi Phil [19:19] * Waknuk might be all typed out now :( [19:21] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [19:24] BTW you were rigth about stumbleupon ... quite a spike (for 1 day) [19:25] Stumbleupon? It's sent you some traffic? [19:25] Ah, yes http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/home.pipeline.com/~corewar/ [19:26] Someone (else) mentioned it there [19:26] * Waknuk ws looking at google analytics [19:30] This page is popular http://www.stumbleupon.com/url/corewar.co.uk/scanner.htm :-) [20:12] * John waves [20:12] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [21:21] Part: Waknuk left #corewars [22:11] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [22:20] MSG: Quit: Ex-Chat [23:51] someone here?