[00:00] yes, but the pipes will carry you bits far enough away that I won't have to listen to them [00:00] Do you already have pipes in Canada? [00:00] ;-) [00:01] yes, I've got a full service igloo. [00:01] And aren't they used for da Internet? [00:01] I've even got an automatic waterer for my dog sled dogs [00:01] (because I can snowshoe everywhere) [00:02] er.. s/can/can't [00:02] Hey, you have dogs? Why not eat them? [00:03] I like my dogs :) [00:03] i wouldnt eat animals, that i dislike [00:04] you prefer eating people? [00:04] yes, but they have to be properly fet [00:04] so you like eating americans?! [00:05] I said PROPERLY! [00:05] i would not recommend that [00:05] yes, that would be another reason to invade Germany [00:06] I don't think they'd invade.. [00:06] ok, then they'd nuke us [00:06] no, they will buy us [00:06] with the current problems in iraq, I think they're on a strict "bomb you back to the stoneage" policy [00:06] or send Britney Spears clones [00:06] aaaah [00:07] i suddently feel, that i have need for a space ship [00:07] no! wait! That's would be too cruel [00:07] Virgin Galactic is offering short trips for a couple of $ [00:08] fluffy: you still have to come back [00:08] yes, but I think, that no one has seen an A-bomb go off from space [00:10] * Fluffy hugs bvowk and replaces the "shoot me" with "I use LITHP" on his back [00:16] bvowk: Why don't you evolve something for tiny or even 94nop? Isn't it time to give the other hill a new try? [00:17] by fluffy [00:17] bye [00:18] no, I'm not going [00:18] so, youre gone, and are staying -- [00:19] I've only killed Jabber, ICQ, ... [00:21] I'm waiting for my generator to finish and then I'm done for today [00:22] you can't sleep, while your computer is running, did'nt you say so? [00:22] But unfortunately it decided to improve my warrior in tiny steps [00:22] at the moment I have score changes of about 0.1 every minute or so :( [00:27] Yes, I can't slep with my computer running [00:47] hmm [00:54] * Fluffy waves [00:54] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [05:37] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [08:24] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [09:08] evenin' [09:30] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [09:54] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [09:54] :) [10:26] ^^ [10:26] And again we have MNS [10:54] bbl, getting a flapjack [10:54] :) [11:09] Join: John joined #corewars [11:09] Hi :-) [11:12] Hi John [11:12] Hi Jens [11:12] sf has been busy on nano [11:13] And you and Roy :-) [11:13] and bvowk has promised to start his new evolver soon [11:13] :-) [11:13] but unfortunately tlotd is 40th [11:14] But bvowk's warriors always give plenty of points to mine, so it'll be okay :-P [11:14] yes, but the question is whether you'll survive that long [11:15] 37th :) [11:16] but my warrior will soon return [11:16] the one that you've pushed off was only a little test [11:17] someone keeps pushing off my Christmassy warriors [11:17] (how do you spell Christmassy anyway?) [11:18] (You are asking the wrong person.) [11:21] that wasn't much of an improvement, 47th now :-( [11:22] but tlotd is 34th now [11:23] Not sure why, the score is within 10 points of the first version [11:23] And tlotd doesn't score very well against hey mister snowman [11:24] Now you only need to survive 13 successfull submissions :) [11:25] On the other hand there might be the problem, that Zul's warrior might soon become older [11:25] than Roy's and your warrior [11:26] That's not a problem [11:26] why? [11:26] I mean, don't you want to have the oldest warrior? [11:27] It would be nice, but I'm sure whoever gets it deserves it [11:29] I'm off on the train to go Christmas shopping soon [11:29] rightey [11:29] Hi Mizcu [11:30] strange, an imp seems to get 63-67 points against every hill [11:30] :-) [11:30] Wow, look at the scores of that imp [11:31] It nicely kills some warriors :) [11:31] never expected that [11:31] and it is good against tlotd, too [11:31] Last try for the snowman, don't think this new trick is going to work [11:31] fluffy: it's all those warriors containing imps which are hurting tlotd [11:32] Then you won't like my next warrior [11:32] :-( [11:33] But maybe it won't enter the hill [11:33] Oh, the new trick did work after all :-) [11:33] :) [11:33] There are some warriors low on the hill which hurt tlotd [11:34] So I'm hoping they'll get pushed off before me :-) [11:34] Plasmodium circularis will soon die [11:34] :-( [11:34] the question is, whether my replacement will hurt tlotd evenmore [11:35] John: My other warriors are doing fine and Vera City I will soon become +100 :) [11:35] I'll update the HoF that day ;-) [11:36] Then probably later today [11:36] Then I'll do it tonight when I get home [11:36] :) [11:37] I'd like to see impossible [11:37] Yes, let's hope, that gnik eventually decides to come to #corewars [11:39] Okay, have to go, train to catch [11:39] * John waves [11:39] * Fluffy waves [11:40] MSG: Quit: WLP.I #0, {0 [11:40] oh no! [11:41] what does this WLP do? [11:43] wallop? [11:43] huh? [11:44] could be shortened of that word [11:44] Didn't John want some special opcodes implemented some time ago? [11:53] Sorry, John, but Plasmodium giganteum isn't any good for your tlotd ... [12:16] Join: Zamboch joined #corewars [12:17] Hi Zamboch [12:18] Are you new to corewar? [12:18] MSG: Client Quit [12:19] right [12:19] :) [12:19] It must have been a very frightening experiece to be talked to by me. [12:20] by a noseless man, yes [12:24] hrmm [13:28] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [13:40] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [13:40] Hi old Core, fiveop :) [13:45] Join: ares joined #corewars [13:46] 'morning [13:46] ares: A little bit late for that, isn't it? [13:47] no, late would be 22h [13:47] who is Dinchen? [13:50] read yesterday's logs :) [13:51] oh fresh blood [13:52] i was online, when dinchen came... i really did not see it... well i was busy, i suppose [14:23] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [14:37] Join: Roy joined #corewars [14:37] Hi Roy! [14:37] Howdy [14:38] I might have a nice nano warrior on my home pc, all warriors scored about 180 against the benchmark but one scored 189 :o [14:38] Then send it :) [14:38] Was in a hurry this morning so I shut it down and went to work, which is where I currently am [14:41] So how long do I have to wait? [14:50] Don't know, couple of hours? [14:50] * Roy is sad about Rezoomscanner :( it sucks :( [14:51] One of the few pieces of new code I made and its fundamentelly broken :-D [14:51] :( [14:52] But I had a new idea, working on it now ;-) [15:10] You making anything for the normal hill currently? [15:10] no [15:14] oh :( [15:15] at least not this year [15:23] Ah thats better! Just fixed another flaw in my latest scanner, now its scoring like I hoped it would! :D [15:34] Now I need to over-optimise it just to annoy Inversed! [15:35] :) [16:12] Roy: you've sparked my interest in 94nop again, but I won't send new warriors this year [16:13] Hehe cool ;-) [16:13] I'll post my new warrior soon too, it didn't make the hill :-( [16:13] Its a slight variation on He Scans Alone (mixed with Zoom+Blur)! [16:16] why is your warrior 93 instructions long? [16:21] Because it is... its a scanner with decoy, nothing intresting about the size [16:21] hmm [16:22] Want to see it? :) [16:22] yes :) [16:22] wPtr spl #0 , <0 [16:22] tPtr spl #7673 , <2986 [16:22] for 10 [16:22] dat 0,0 [16:22] rof [16:22] nop }sEnd , {pScan-1 [16:22] sTop mov.b tPtr , wPtr [16:22] mov.i tSpl , >wPtr [16:22] tScan add.x #-10 , tPtr [16:22] sne.x *tPtr , >tPtr [16:22] add.x *pScan , tPtr [16:22] jmn.f tSelf , jmz.f tScan , *tPtr [16:23] pScan mov.x @tScan , @tScan [16:23] tSelf slt.b @tScan , #tEnd+4-tPtr [16:23] sEnd djn sTop-1 , @tScan [16:23] djn *pScan , #10 [16:23] tSpl spl #0 , }0 [16:23] tClr mov tEnd , >tSelf [16:23] djn.f tClr , {tSelf [16:23] tEnd dat >1 , 2-tSelf [16:23] Here you go :-D [16:23] 93 million miles from earth to sun [16:23] Silly nop line kicks the wipe in action the first time it finds something [16:23] ares: Has Austria been invaded by the US or why do you use "miles"? ;-) [16:24] thelemic warrior? [16:24] because he googles it, and what is thelemic?? [16:24] thelema, a philosophy about true will [16:25] greek word "thelema" has numeric value of 93 [16:25] as "agape" also has [16:25] (love) [16:25] huh? [16:25] mystical numerology [16:25] But what do you think of it Fluffy, its simple/funny ey? :) [16:26] Roy: If you mean the warrior, then yes [16:27] Yeah the warrior, it uses the same amount of lines as the usual Hescans be now has zoom+continues attack [16:28] Because it goes the opposite way its a real HSA killer btw [16:31] Time to go home, bye! [16:31] MSG: Quit: dat [17:15] aha!! the second warrior of koenigstuhl allready causes problems... if pmars only had an option to add the source line number of everey instruction to the output... [17:23] It does in the pmars -V output :) [17:23] oh - thats sounds VERY interesting... no more compatibility problems? checking... [17:25] why didnt i know that one week ago? [17:25] hrm [17:25] * bvowk wonders about fluffy [17:26] ares: Because there've been sunspots on the sun? [17:26] bvowk: I didn't do it! [17:26] http://www.kitco.com/images/live/gold.gif [17:26] hrm. [17:27] oops. [17:27] wrong window ;) [17:27] although, maybe the rest of you care about gold and the US dollar [17:27] Yes, but only if I posses large amounts of both [17:29] bullionvault.com fluffy ;) [17:29] you can acquire as much as you like [17:29] and they've got a really slickass xml interface [17:30] and their tech people rock [17:31] bvowk: and why did you wonder? [17:31] about you? [17:31] yes [17:32] just to make you wonder. [17:32] hrm. [17:32] the US dollar is taking some flak today [17:34] and the Canadian dollar? [17:34] http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=CAD&amt=1&t=5d [17:34] meh. [17:34] nothing to report.. [17:35] which likely means we're going down with the american [17:35] s [17:37] hehe [17:44] bvowk: Ready to start your evolver? [17:45] yeah, I'm test running it right now [17:45] I hope that you've changed the naming scheme [17:45] why does everyone hate the naming scheme so much? [17:45] does it really matter? [17:46] hate the warrior thats kicking your ass, not his name ;) [17:46] I don't really hate it, but it is fun to tease you with it and so far I couldn't see what those numbers and letters mean [17:47] Maybe you can enlighten me [17:48] it was a pool number, randomly chosen at start time for a run, then a warrior number in the pool, incremented every time one was created.. and then it was a machine name where it came from usually. [17:48] the hex string ones were the crc32's of the instuctions in each level of the form.. [17:48] 9988-449-xt642-8-nano-eve78 [17:48] so it was instructions-imods-amods-bmods-a-b [17:49] yeah, that was has the identifier of the evolver version on the end [17:49] so it was nano-eve78 [17:49] machine name xt642-8 [17:49] Who has chosen that name? [17:49] (xterm #8 in rm 642) [17:50] hmm [17:51] you know that was a distributed system right? [17:52] That settles it then. Please use a better naming scheme ;-) [17:52] yes, I know [17:52] so there was a main collection server... and then a bunch of clients doing the actual churning [17:52] k [17:52] suggestions then? [17:52] I've currently got it doing sha-1 for names ;) [17:52] 128bit hex string [17:53] I'm betting that won't be popular. [17:53] How about the following: [17:53] Use only strings with max. length 20, which have an MD5 or SHA1, which ends with lots of zeros [17:54] You could use one or two of your computrons, which do nothing but search for such values ;-) [17:54] both md5 and sha1 are longer than 20 [17:55] You don't use the MD5/SHA1 as the name, but the string [17:55] your method is flawed! [17:55] which has that MD5 [17:55] no, it isn't! [17:55] flawed! [17:55] * Fluffy kicks bvowk [17:55] lets hear your next idea [17:56] Name your evolver properly (like Bvowk Mega Supa Dupa Evolver) and then append the number of the generated warrior [17:56] BMSDE 42 [17:56] *Bvowk's [17:57] currently I've got 42-BMSDE and yo udn't like it! [17:59] Third scheme: Idicate the position in the number pi, where you warrior is encoded as (whatever you like) [17:59] no, won't work [17:59] the number if probably too large [17:59] *is [18:00] heh [18:00] do you have any good suggestions? [18:00] Choose a random poison and use that as a name [18:00] that works for the first hundred or so [18:01] The names of Bacteria and Viruses are already taken ;-) [18:01] perhaps I need to come up with latin names for the various warrior classes [18:01] and then we'll speciate them based on ancestry [18:01] yes, why not. That would be at least better than the current scheme [18:01] there'll be a committee [18:01] I like that idea [18:02] * Fluffy is still waiting for your first warrior for nano ... [18:03] you could name the first warrior "Bob" [18:03] HSA + coreclear not work, mmkay [18:04] oh, roy quitted alrdy [18:04] If I remember correct "mmkay" means "fuck" [18:05] mmkay [18:12] Benchmarking old warriors is frustrating. They are always better than the current warriors :( [18:12] huh [18:12] I'm talking about my own warriors [18:19] (everything is better than fluffys warriors.. I'm holding off with my evolver to let his ego have a couple breaths before I crush it) [18:19] * Fluffy yawns [18:20] You haven't even been koth on nano [18:20] no, I just held most of it ;P [18:20] (programatically!) [18:20] yes, rank 40-50 [18:20] I'm so good I could hold the hill using my brain at one level removed! [18:20] ;) [18:21] of course, of course [18:21] Then go on and start to send your warriors, bvowk. [18:21] heh [18:22] I wonder if there's enough current stuff on the nano infinate to bootstrap my hills [18:23] Give it a try [18:24] fluffy: i am still shocked because of -V [18:24] ares: ok, continue to be shocked ;) [18:25] hey fluffy: why don't you send met a selection of your finest ;) [18:25] I can do that [18:25] Do you really want them? [18:25] *g* heheh [18:26] yeah [18:26] bvowk: I've published about 30% of my best warrior to Koenigstuhl lately [18:26] there's a nanok? [18:27] of course [18:27] http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/NANO/hill_rec.html [18:27] cool. [18:27] My best one is 3rd and your best one 22nd. Thas says everything [18:27] heh [18:27] *That [18:27] I haven't ever submitted any! [18:28] that must have been met! [18:28] yes, he sends all new infiniano warriors regularly to Koenigstuhl [18:31] bvowk: I've sent all of my nano warriors (except those currently on the hill) [18:31] the worst ones missed the hill by max. 3 points [18:33] you've got 2.9k compressed? [18:33] * bvowk rolls his eyes. [18:33] I usually go for quality instead of quantity [18:34] remember: 22nd of Koenigstuhl ;-) [18:34] *on [18:34] heh [18:37] And please notice the inspiration that is needed to choose such wonderful names :) [18:41] I really start to think that you don't have an evolver [18:43] heh [18:43] would you just keep your pants on? [18:43] its not like its ever been a quick process :P [18:43] I'm still debugging too. [18:45] Let me guess ... your program consists of 3 lines (including the 2 lines with comments) and it still kills itself immediately, right? [18:45] Join: Roy joined #corewars [18:45] heh [18:45] yes, thats exactly it. [18:46] how did you know? [18:46] bvowk, stop asking me for nano warriors... write your own evolver will ya! [18:46] Because you your crappy naming scheme, bvowk ;-) [18:47] *Because of [18:47] heh [18:52] Roy: and your nano warrior? [18:53] Ah! yes, lets send it and laugh :-) [18:53] LOL [18:53] nice conversation [18:53] you two like each other, do you? [18:54] * Fluffy hugs bvowk [18:54] * Roy joins and hugs Fluffy [18:55] * bvowk eats fluffy's brains [18:55] * Fluffy now has a warm feeling in his pants [18:55] (putting a "kick me" sign on his back) [18:55] * Roy keeps pouring more coffee down Fluffys pants [18:55] (puts kickin' shoes on) [18:56] 43 45.1/ 48.3/ 6.6 Serious Request Roy van Rijn 141.8 1 [18:56] Blegh.. [18:57] what is an abstract error? *g* [19:01] maybe it is an error, which is abstract [19:01] Whoops, I'm optimising against my own warriors :-D [19:02] Stupid as I am / Evolving against myself / Should stop that right now [19:02] yes, remove yourself from the genepool [19:03] Clearly its messing with my brains [19:03] you probably know this already: http://www.darwinawards.com/ [19:03] yes [19:05] I need 3 more successful challenges! [19:12] Do something about that then ;-) [19:15] Actually I'm waiting for bvowk to finish his "debugging", but I seriously doubt, that he'll finish it this century. [19:15] yeah yeah yeah. [19:16] Don't talk, bvowk. Finish debugging! [19:30] yay, i am debugging a VPN through remote desktop, and now confing the adsl-box [19:30] :) [19:34] note to self: vpn disconnects everything for a moment [19:35] note to mizcu: and won't reconnect [19:36] yes [19:37] did it really? [19:38] hey, i irc through a shell [19:38] ??? [19:38] so my comp might explode and you wont notice [19:39] only my connection to the shell borked [19:40] wouldnt closing the connection close all progs running in your shell, and cause the irc client to logout? [19:40] ever heard of program screen? [19:40] ares: Not necessarily. For Unix-systems there a program called screen [19:40] ah [19:40] *is [19:40] hehe [19:42] Just start it as a job (programname &) should keep running in the back once you exit the shell [19:43] Roy: that might be tricky for interactive programs [19:43] Join: John joined #corewars [19:43] Hi :-) [19:43] i will remember that, if i ever start any chat program in a ssh session [19:43] Heh yeah.. I only use it for servers etc [19:43] Hi John [19:43] Hi Johnny [19:43] Hmmm... 13 people on IRC, only 12 in #corewars [19:43] Who's lurking? [19:43] sf? [19:44] John: tlotd has been pushed off by bvowk's warriors [19:44] No it hasn't :-P [19:55] John: bvowk won't send any warriors anyway [19:56] That's a shame, I was hoping to show however much computing power he throws at them, my hand-written 15 minutes on the back on an envelope warriors are better ;-) [19:57] But it is obvious, that hand-written warriors are better than those evolved on his machines. [19:58] His warriors don't even have proper names ;) [19:58] Yes, that's a big problem [19:59] and I can't imagine, that they can spread chrismassy feelings like yours do [20:00] I imagine bvowk would be the first person who'd submit one called "Humbug" :-P [20:00] lol [20:00] also lol [20:02] or rather 1409-12880-humbug-eve78 [20:03] Don't give him ideas [20:04]