[02:11] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [04:15] Join: jon__ joined #corewars [04:15] * jon__ pokes jon_ [04:16] hi Jon [04:16] howdy [04:33] ah excellent [04:33] finally got pmars to compile on osx [04:42] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [05:12] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [05:13] Join: jon_ joined #corewars [05:13] MSG: Client Quit [05:14] Join: jon_ joined #corewars [05:58] wow [05:58] i just got a copy of "The armchair universe" for $4.48 from betterworld.com [06:00] ?!? [06:00] John's been searching it for a while [06:01] free shipping too [06:01] Supposed to be out of print everywhere [06:01] betterworld has a lot of old books, real cheap. [06:01] but i think i got the only copy.. [10:08] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [12:59] Join: Retro joined #corewars [12:59] lo all [13:00] Join: fiveop_ joined #corewars [13:01] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out [13:14] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [13:15] hey core [13:28] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [13:51] ugh, finally awake [13:51] damn im sleepy [13:55] hehe [16:09] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [16:10] Join: cees joined #corewars [16:44] MSG: Quit: humhum [16:51] i hate mornings. [16:52] hey jon [16:53] * Retro has entered the nano arena >:) [16:58] cool [17:00] i wrote my first warrior yesterday [17:04] haha well me too as far as redcode is concerned [17:04] :) [17:04] its a dwarf mixed with a imp-gate [17:09] I entered a whole heap of tests and a few nice warriors into nano... [17:09] the best 2 have a fairly standard form tho [17:16] lol [17:16] scored 9.8 [17:39] Join: sascha joined #corewars [17:40] Part: sascha left #corewars [17:53] hrm. [18:03] Join: John joined #corewars [18:03] Hi :-) [18:04] Nice new warriors Retro :-) [18:05] :) tnx [18:05] just got back from dinner [18:06] whats up met? [18:06] still trying to get that ricepaper in there eh? :) [18:08] Yeah :-/ [18:10] John: mizcu said you were trying to get a copy of 'the armchair universe' [18:10] I've got one now, thanks [18:10] ah cool. [18:10] Bought it last year [18:10] betterworld.com ha[d,s] it [18:11] i got it last night from there for < $5 & free shipping [18:11] There's a copy at Eagle Bookshop for £4 if anyone's interested :-) [18:11] where's that? [18:11] I have the New Turing Omnibus too. [18:11] Bedford, U.K. [18:11] ah [18:11] i dont think i ever went to bedford even when i lived over there [18:17] Not much to recommend it, apart from the bookshop. [18:17] Bookshop specialises in science / maths :-) [18:18] ah [18:18] there's a place like that in holborn, but its more computer science. [18:20] Never been there [18:21] its a little tiny place, i think its called 'the pc bookstore' or something like that. [18:27] * Retro submits another one [18:54] * John submits a few more without any success [19:00] hehe [19:01] obviously the nano hill is already at the peak of it's evolution (pretty much) [19:01] I mean it's not like there seems to be major improvment/invention [19:01] improvement* [19:02] how do you feel about the regular hill? [19:06] I like the regular hill too [19:06] But at the moment I'm enjoying playing on nano [19:06] and there is some new stuff turning up ;-) [19:07] haha yeah [19:07] I meanth to say that it seems the basic structures for nano are established [19:08] in some cases even evolved to a certain degree [19:08] tho I meanth to ask how you felt about the diversity of the regular hill :) [19:10] There's still new stuff appearing on the regular hill, though not so frequently [19:28] yeah it's a big hill to code for too, plus p-space adds complexity [19:51] yya [19:51] yay [19:51] im still on the bottom of the begginers hill :D [19:51] :-) [19:51] * John goes to look [19:59] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [19:59] :) [19:59] fluffy.. you need to update pycorewars [19:59] I want hill profiles ;) [19:59] ... and I want to dominate the world. [20:00] What exactly do you want, bvowk? [20:00] Hi Fluff(y) [20:01] grmpf [20:01] I want to be able to select a nano hill profile like the 94nop profile [20:01] because K uses pspace [20:02] I see [20:02] Then I might want to think about it [20:03] hey fluffy [20:05] ooooh someone pushed off the plague! :( [20:05] ??? [20:06] Sorry Retro :-( [20:07] nano? [20:09] hehe [20:09] yeah fluffy [20:10] np john D&C is still firmly in 6th place [20:11] oh, you already have a warrior on nano. Nice! [20:11] * Fluffy congrats Retro :) [20:11] tnx :) [20:11] well I couldn't resist [20:11] so I had a spree of nano tryouts this morning [20:12] evolved? [20:13] not the one that's still there [20:13] most of them where by hand [20:13] I'm still running an evolutionary batch too tho, at the same time [20:14] with yace? [20:14] yace + some modifications I'm trying [20:14] judging by the evolution there must be a lot of nano's of the form: [20:15] spl mov mov mov djn & mov spl mov mov djn [20:15] yes [20:15] which makes sense as that's what D&C is as well :) [20:16] I tried a few weird scan+whipe setups this morning tho, lol [20:16] but they never made it past 129 or something [20:18] 129 is quite good for a start [20:19] Retro: the best steps for scans are probably 5 and -5 [20:19] haha yeah I just couldn't get them higher then that, whereas I got D&C at 144 atm [20:19] bvowk: Sumit some warriors and we'll soon have the first +2000-nano-warrior :) [20:30] Hey, John! Why do you push down White Moon? ;) [20:30] Sorry, I didn't realise I had [20:30] lol [20:30] And Foggy Maus is about to die :( [20:30] I'm play with some paper and scanner varietys [20:36] * Retro sends another warrior to the hill [20:36] Good luck [20:37] haha well the climber is getting a little tougher :) [20:38] :-) [20:41] haha john [20:42] my hill climber and your rice paper are damn close... ;) [20:44] * Retro tries to knock rice paper off the list... [20:46] Good luck [20:46] It's time for me to go [20:46] * John waves [20:46] MSG: Quit: mov.i #1,1 [20:49] * Retro watches as Hill Climber makes the bottom of the list... [20:50] Now it only can climb up :) [20:52] haha ofcourse [20:52] ;) [20:54] well I did knock rice paper off like I told john :) [20:54] How about becoming koth? [20:54] haha well that's what climber is for ;) [21:14] there we go [21:14] and up the Hill it goes... [21:15] ... and The Seed I is koth [21:15] nice [21:15] my pleasure ;) [21:17] for some reason I tend to beat up Candy In Ire quite badly with pretty much all my stuff [21:21] meany [21:24] hehe :D [21:25] and up another step with my magic numbers :) [21:25] Yes, altough there isn't a (known) paper/stone/scanner-analogy, something similar seems to exist for nano [21:26] yeah [21:27] mov-tower, jmz-scanner, nanopaper, mov-tower with imps [21:27] coreclear [21:28] qscan [21:28] scanner/imp [21:28] hrm. [21:28] Hi bvowk [21:28] hehe [21:29] I tried the clear, jmz and I'm not sure about the mov tower [21:29] what do you mean with the tower part? [21:29] Mizcu: spl/mov/mov/mov/mov and spl/mov/mov/mov/djn can behave quite differently [21:30] Fluff: i believe. You are the lord-of-movtowers -_- [21:30] ;) [21:31] Magic Numbers is proof that inefficiency works :P it uses spl/mov/mov/dat ... ;) [21:31] ok maybe the dat isn't all that inneficient but I didn't even bother to tack on a mov before the spl yet :P [21:44] * Fluffy waves [21:44] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [21:46] oooooh the meaning of life, the universe and everything is known to me now! [21:47] I doubt it.. I'll bet you've got it wrong because of rounding error. [21:47] nobody ever remembers the rouding error :( [21:48] haha [21:49] crawling closer and closer to the top :) [22:54] KOTH! :D [22:54] Resistance Is Futile :) [22:55] congrats! [22:56] the nano hill? [22:56] yup [22:56] :D [22:56] hand written or evolved? [22:57] hand written and afterwards evolved to tweak it's parameters [22:57] so thats +1 to the creationists [22:57] haha yup [22:57] itll be flushed off soon [22:58] I have some minor variations of it that are predicted to do even better :) they are still being thrown out [22:58] all mov-towers will [22:58] how's that? :) [22:59] they are mov-towers, they all behave the same, only the wipe-positions change [22:59] naturaly, tho some are smarter at whiping then others :) [23:00] nevertheless they seem to be the dominant species atm [23:00] what do you think will come in and beat them? [23:00] whatever i can figure out [23:00] that's the spirit :) [23:01] besides, evolving doesnt make anyone get higher on the beginner-hill [23:02] * Retro sends in seven of nine :) [23:03] hands off my nalgas [23:04] * Retro knocks himself off the nr 1 spot :P [23:04] fluffy just knocked you off [23:05] no I did, lol [23:05] my other warrior [23:05] caused my score to drop [23:05] :D [23:21] * Retro now holds position 2 and 3 [23:24] 2,3,4 [23:24] :D [23:25] and all the same with only some redicilously small differences? [23:27] nah they aren't rediculously small... they use different positions all across the board, results are similar tho [23:28] 7 of nine seems to turn more losses into ties, locutus does best overall [23:30] they are suprisingly close together tho