[01:30] Retro: you know, its easy to make stuff on nano, but nano acts so differently from other hills that being good on nano means very little [01:30] To be good on B-hill one has to actually know how to write stuff [06:11] MSG: [11:02] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [12:06] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [12:35] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:05] Join: Altair joined #corewars [15:06] hi [15:09] hi [15:39] Join: bose joined #corewars [15:40] hi [15:42] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:13] morning. [17:24] greetings human. [17:24] I love windows admins.. [17:25] today I get an email from a guy who admins exchange complaining about how my users were pissy about him sending email to them, and then tells me my email lists are a spam hazard and I should really "fix" them.. [17:25] to which I could only reply: if spam were a problem for my users, your email wouldn't have pissed them off now would it? [17:27] and then I dropped my spam stats on him (that I carefully tend just for smackdowns like this) pointing out that I reject 99.994% of incoming spam at the border, and then point out there's additional filtering provided that when configured according to my instructions takes care of pretty much anything else.. [17:27] to which he replies "wow, that must be really expensive! how much do you have to pay per seat for that?" [17:29] I wonder if I should point out to him that according to my logs, I've spent about 29 hours maintaining the mail server since it was installed 6 years ago... including the 8 OS upgrades.. [17:29] and its free. [17:29] [17:31] it likely won't matter however, because he'll counter with something silly like "but my users wouldn't be able to e-mail meeting schedule notices to eachother without exchange!", which would be funny since they all exist in a tiny cube farm in a single room. [17:32] anyways.. [17:32] corewars. [17:32] anyone doing anything besides ranting? [17:35] * bvowk pulls out his awp and flicks his scope while eyeing the back of mizcus head.. [17:36] :) [17:37] hey fiveop! [17:38] * bvowk stops contemplating TK'ing mizcu [17:38] whatcha hacking fiveop? [17:38] nothing I expect, midterms ;) [17:43] :P [17:44] I'm reading a book about discret mathematics [17:44] sounds educational ;) [17:45] and jules verne's 'Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea' [17:45] yes [17:45] that's the purpose :P [17:47] class assignment or personal interst? [17:48] I've got an exam ahead about part of the topics covered in teh book [17:49] disc math exam [17:49] which book is it? [18:00] Diskrete Mathematik :) [18:00] it's written in german [18:01] looks cool [18:01] the book cover makes it look like it was written by dutch train company though. [18:01] sure you found the right one ? [18:01] Diskrete Mathematik: Eine Entdeckungsreise (Springer-Lehrbuch) (Paperback) ? [18:02] http://www.amazon.com/Short-Course-Discrete-Mathematics/dp/0486439461/sr=8-19/qid=1172599348/ref=sr_1_19/103-8342595-1031827?ie=UTF8&s=books <-- i have this one [18:05] bvowk, was visiting shrink, so this time its not my fault to be afk [18:05] (or is it?9 [18:06] it's from Martin Aigner [18:06] http://www.amazon.de/Diskrete-Mathematik-Mit-600-%C3%9Cbungsaufgaben/dp/3834800848/sr=8-1/qid=1172599574/ref=sr_1_1/302-6724270-0000837?ie=UTF8&s=books [18:07] ah [18:07] my math skillz are so amazingly bad.. i've yet to finish the above book [18:07] everytime i read it i start to get it, then i get a bit confused and it all falls apart [18:09] miz: whazzup? [18:09] not that much [18:10] been sleeping too much [18:12] There are no fixed prices for books in the us? [18:13] there's fixed prices somewhere? [18:14] there's 'recommended' retail price. but not many places sell them for list price except borders [18:15] recommended retail price around here is "as much you can rip off without being suspicious" [18:16] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [18:16] hoi, fizzie! [18:16] hi all [18:16] :-P [18:17] wow, lot of afk's here ;-) [18:23] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [18:23] :| [18:23] Fluffyist [18:23] le fluff [18:26] hmmm, I remember I recently ate in the plane a Fluffy Omlette :-P [18:27] bvowk: Nice story. [18:31] Mizcu: books' prizes are fixed in germany [18:32] strange [18:42] the notion behind it is, that with these fixed prices books can't get cheaper when they become bestsellers, which brings more income to the publisher and enables him to sell books with very low selling rates at affordable prices (such as scientific publications) [18:42] something like that [18:58] it seems that in whole europe (except great britan and ireland) laws are in the pipe for such fixed pricing (if they doesn't exsist already) [19:00] fluffy: you liked my story? [19:00] whoa! [19:00] fizmo! [19:00] ? [19:01] * bvowk rattles fizmo! where have you been! [19:01] ohh, hi bvowkium [19:01] :-P [19:01] I was everywhere and nowhere [19:02] had a very busy time travelling almost around the globe [19:02] and busy in office as well [19:02] sounds tiring [19:03] yes, it is [19:03] anyway [19:04] got anything new and exciting? [19:05] hmmm, yes [19:05] I bought a new car :-P [19:05] what'd you get? [19:06] italiancar this time, a Alfa GT [19:06] you're german right? [19:08] yep [19:09] why not a BMW? ;) [19:09] bvowky: Yes I like your story. But that doesn't prevent me from kicking you ... [19:09] * Fluffy kicks bvowk [19:09] (I only say this because I've got friends who are in the bmw club, so I hear BMW BMW BMW BMW!) [19:10] Fluffy: Gentlemen! We can not have fighting in the [core]war room! [19:10] jon: we're not fighting.. [19:11] its just that I can't respect someone named fluffy, and he's all out of sorts because of that.. [19:11] ;) [19:11] I'd call that perfect then! [19:11] hehehe, no, BMW is good, but this time I wanted an Alfa [19:12] * Fluffy launches some icbms [19:13] * bvowk giggles about his firmware hack to fluffys ICBM's that cause them to strike their point of departure. [19:14] grmpf [19:14] At least I no longer need a lamp in the night [19:14] so, anyone got anything for the hills today? [19:15] Yes, I'm still waiting for some new submissions to nano ;) [19:16] I'm slowly skimming my valhalla down.. [19:16] I wasn't paying attention, and it had grown to like 6800 warriors.. [19:16] hehe [19:16] wow [19:16] which takes about 2800MB of memory to run the hill... [19:17] so restarting a client was contraindicated for a while ;) [19:18] the problem is I have to preserve the balance, so I run all the permutations of hills for a sample size of n, and then take the top m, and then repeat until I have a hill size under x (which I'm thinking should be about 800) [19:18] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [19:19] Hi old Core! [19:19] bvowk: It sounds as if you should have really good warriors for nano, but ... [19:19] fluffy: but I do :) [19:20] 8c09fc1a-6026e19e-8e42791b.rc? [19:20] I'm just hoarding them all to myself until some get pushed off.. [19:20] that's just a baby warrior [19:22] * jon_ submits nalgas to the nano hill [19:22] its only 4 instructions afterall [19:22] there's nothing wrong with 4 insns [19:23] its the one i wrote for the beginners hill [19:23] its a stone thrower with an imp gate.. nothing fancy. [19:24] :) [19:25] jon_: I still don't see your warrior on nano :( [19:25] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [19:29] hrm. [19:32] hmm [19:32] jon_: problems? [19:33] i didn't get a reply from the koth. [19:33] * jon_ tries again. [19:36] its because gmail is lame. [19:38] woo [19:38] got pushed off :) [19:38] 25.5? [19:38] yep. [19:38] Seems to be like a bug in your warrior [19:38] probably [19:39] even an imp get at least 50 or so points [19:39] *gets [19:39] ill try and submit something when i get home [19:39] Good luck! [19:43] * Fluffy wvaes [19:43] MSG: Quit: fluffy.i < 1, # 42 [20:10] MSG: [21:27] Join: ares_ joined #corewars [21:29] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [21:39] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [21:41] hey nenad.. [21:41] haven't seen you in ages. [21:41] hi :) [21:41] me neither (lol) [21:41] doing anythin interesting? [21:41] well... depends on how you define interesting, I suppose :) [21:42] well, why don't we go with your definition, and I'll just tune you out if it doesn't jive with mine ;) [21:43] tried skating for the first time a few days ago... all I cvan say is ouch. ... as for the less painful experiences, been creating a story for the fps we're making [21:44] and other usual stuff - frp's on weekends, corr. chess once in a while ... and a lot to study [21:44] frp's? [21:45] I'll probably also begin working on my bachl. thesis in a month or so [21:45] fantasy-role-play... ... [21:45] ahh. [21:45] I recently took up squash [21:45] :) [21:45] I keep getting creamed in the games tho, its very taxing on my overstuffed ego ;) [21:46] whats your thesis on? [21:46] http://www.kitco.com/images/live/gold.gif <-- interesting day for gold [21:46] well, I'll basically make a cool (hopefully) corewar optimizer [21:46] what sort? [21:47] well, a few different methods, and statistical comparison in the end [21:47] pp particle swarm, gen alg, simmulated annealing and stuff like that [21:48] well, at least I *hope* it gets to work properly [21:49] I see [21:49] sounds interesting.. [21:49] should be faster than optimax due to it's "intelligent" search of state-space, but I'll just have to wait and see.. [21:49] I'm wondering when someones going to make a high level corewars lang [21:49] with an optimizing compiler ;) [21:49] what do you mean? [21:49] like common lisp on top of redcode.. [21:49] with an optimizing backend. [21:50] which will then be used to make insanely smart warriors for a massive hill yet unimagined! [21:50] ;) [21:50] hmm... well, not soon, I guess :) but it is an interesting idea :) [21:50] did you prod at my new evolver? [21:50] its in python, been wildly successful (at least I think so) with nano.. [21:50] and in the end it's going to lose to mov.i #1, 1, because of a decrement bug :) [21:50] no? [21:51] link? [21:51] www.math.ualberta.ca/~bvowk/files/jnsl-1.1.tgz [21:53] I was thinking of maybe adding a support for evolution as well in the optimizer, but will think about it only if the time permits [21:54] I still have a few exams to pass until summer, and want to finish everything by the start of the summer, and graduate in Sept. [21:59] good luck [22:00] hopefully, no luck is going to be needed :) [22:00] hopefully :) [22:00] hrm. don't have Python on this machine :( [22:00] but without luck, you might get hit by a bus ;) [22:01] :) [22:01] and with luck, it will only be a car [22:01] if you are really lucky, an ambulnce [22:03] anyway, I'm sorry not to have had time for corewar up 'til now... [22:04] want to change that pretty soon... [22:04] has anything interesting happened in my absence? :) [22:07] I abused the nano hill [22:08] haven't you been doing that all the time, anyway? :) [22:08] heh.. [22:08] no, I really abused it, I had all but 9 of the slots [22:08] terrorist. [22:08] :) [22:09] who is retro? [22:10] a newbie [22:10] I see he's high on nano now [22:15] well, I must be off, but I'll probably hop by occasionally the next couple of days [22:15] * Nenad waves [22:17] MSG: [22:21] Join: Core_old_ joined #corewars [22:24] MSG: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [22:30] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [23:07] MSG: Read error: Operation timed out