[00:00] MSG: [00:00] * Fluffy calls Fluffy.nighty_night() [01:05] MSG: Quit: *p00f* [01:35] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [11:15] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [16:15] morning [17:09] MSG: Remote host closed the connection [18:03] :) [18:14] Join: Core_old joined #corewars [18:15] Hi old Core! [18:19] Join: jon_ joined #corewars [18:20] Hi jon_ [18:20] greetings [18:21] Anything from your evolver for nano yet, jon_? [18:22] * jon_ checks [18:25] still not doing so good on the hill [18:25] Maybe you should reseed the evolver and try again [18:26] i think im done with evolving [18:26] Why is that? [18:26] doesn't really interest me [18:26] ok, then I hope that you'll more fun writing warriors :) [18:26] me too [18:26] *'ll have [18:26] all i need is time :( [18:27] It is weekend :) [20:05] hmm [20:10] * bvowk kicks fluffy in the brain [21:01] Join: Thurasiz joined #corewars [21:01] Hi [21:02] hello [21:11] ouch that hurts... just tried out the nano-hill--- 26 points. I Think i gonna stay on beginner for some more time. [21:11] Hi Thurasiz :) [21:12] nano is quite tough, because all warrior are highly optimized [21:12] my bad. [21:12] * Thurasiz puts some helmet on, just for the cause of spawning ice-cream [21:13] Hi Fluffy [21:14] bvowk: Not entirely :) [21:15] Thurasiz: I only "hand out" icecrem if you deserve it :) [21:15] *icecream [21:15] hmm i got a theory... can it be that corewars gets harder with the time it exists ? because of the coders gaining much experience... ? oh, not on my head ? then I'll take some please [21:16] oh... just got toghether with deserve and serve ;-) [21:17] You might be right with your theory, but sometimes even simple ideas make it onto the hill [21:18] no together wasn't the word i searched... whats the english wort fpr (Durcheinander) again ? [21:18] disorder? [21:18] no [21:18] confused [21:18] well, corewars doesn't have a perfect strategy... so no matter what, there's something that kills everything. [21:18] that's it [21:19] disoyes, so i got confused with deserve anserve... [21:19] bvowk: No, you are wrong. Nobody can kill a DAT ;) [21:19] so its possible for warriors to be significantly better than the others on the hill, but if the hill changes, they risk falling off. [21:20] so when we say they're highly optimized it means that they've been created to fill a niche in the hill makeup. [21:20] nothing kann kill a dat, but you can overwirte it witz an mov and then kill it [21:21] highly optimized ? what i wrote till now was rather simple [21:21] yes, but you had to start from somewhere, Thurasiz :) [21:22] yes... wouldn't wish to start at the top, because from there it can only go downhill ;-) [21:24] when i look at my Ikarus, only spl 0 mov add and djn... not much... not complicated... and, what was a surprise für me, number 20 on beginner hill [21:29] don't rub it in [21:29] :) [21:29] sorry, don't understand u, can you say it... more simple please ? [21:29] gnome cannon is a scanner w/core clear [21:32] http://jonp.tx0.org/files/gnome-cannon.red [21:34] jon_: Why don't you can with "sne.i pos, pos+x" where x is something small like 4 or 5? [21:34] didn't think of that at the time [21:34] * jon_ tries [21:35] looks nice but much more complicate than anything i made till now jon... [21:36] Thurasiz: At lot of warrior seem to be complicated, but usually they just consist of some simple building blocks. [21:36] And you only have to understand what those blocks do. [21:38] is there a way to add to both the A & B field of the dest [21:38] hmm, i got some idea how it works [21:39] jon_: yes [21:39] incr dat.f # step, # step [21:39] ah [21:39] add.f incr, s [21:39] s sne.i pos, pos+x [21:40] ok [21:40] let's try this [21:41] lol [21:41] 17.3 [21:41] that's a bug [21:42] Maybe you scan (and kill) yourself? [21:42] hmm, one question, two spl 1 give me 6 process, or am i wrong at this ? [21:43] two spl 1 = 4 processes [21:43] How many do you need? [21:43] 3 spl will give you 6 [21:43] iirc [21:43] 3 spl = 8 processes [21:43] at least 3 "spl 1" = 8 processes [21:44] i need 6... and some practise in calcutlating 0 and 1 [21:44] ok, give me a second try... spl 1 mov spl 1 ? [21:44] spl 2 spl 1 spl 1 [21:45] spl 1 + mov.i -1, 0 + mov.i -1, 0 [21:45] ok i see, i hae to read this part again :-) thank you [21:45] spl } 2 + spl 1 + spl 0 [21:49] ah [21:50] it never enters coreclear mode [21:50] because i didnt update the sne at the end [21:50] don't you watch your warriors in a graphical mars ? [21:51] not @ work :) [21:51] oh ok... thats an argument [21:52] Fluffy: however, this does tell me that it's the coreclear that's making msot of the points. [21:53] Maybe throwing one bomb isn't enough when you've found sth. [21:53] indeed. [21:53] it did worse than the original warrior. [21:54] if you use "sne.i pos, pos+x" for scanning why don't you carpet-bomb the area between pos and pos+x? [21:54] or pos-y and pos+x+y? [21:54] i wonder if it's better to carpet bomb something to slow the enemy down and let the coreclear take them out [21:55] stunning your opponent with spl-carpets is a common strategy [21:55] (and kill them later with a d-clear) [21:55] maybe you might to use a different DAT-bomb [21:56] a "dat 0, 0" isn't good [21:56] and what about an, lets say 10 nstruktion carpet of spl 0, -10 ? [21:56] with sth. like "dat < 41, > 47" have the chance to triger an opponent's scan :) [21:57] *of triggering [21:57] Thurasiz: Give it a try and send different versions to the hill :) [21:58] BTW a "spl # 0" is often better than "spl 0" [21:58] because a "spl # 0" still keeps on creating new processes even, if the A-field is changed [21:59] hmm, first i have to code something with a carpet... spl #0 ? isn't a spl #334 or something better be cause of b-scanners and djn streams ? [22:00] yes, against b-scanners a "spl # 334" might be better [22:00] djn.f-stream usually don't like carpets of "dat.f 1, 1" or "spl 1, 1" or anything with "1, 1" [22:01] *djn.f-streams [22:01] so if i use anything "coloured" an 1, 1 suits to both... hmm i am learning all the time [22:03] at the moment i try some paper-stuff, so no coloured bombs or carpets for me at the time *g* [22:04] yay! [22:04] * Fluffy congrats jon_ :) [22:04] gone up to #18, and knocked primal off the hill [22:05] But you can do even better, jon_. A scan-step of 160 is far from being optimal :) [22:05] yeah [22:05] gratulation jon... so i got to make my paper good and primal better... [22:05] gotta go [22:05] ;) [22:05] * Fluffy waves [22:05] thanks for your help [22:05] Part: jon_ left #corewars [22:05] bye [22:05] Thurasiz: Now it is time to get onto the hill again :) [22:06] uh... ikarus is the last one... (i am at the hill *g*) [22:06] and that is enought? ;) [22:06] *enough [22:07] not even almost enough [22:07] but i am at somekind of learningphase, trying different warriors. with some luck tonight my paper gonna challenge the hill... [22:08] Good luck :) [22:08] Is it a silk-style-paper? [22:08] hmm, need a good stepsize and then it goes out. yes, its somekind of paperone starting an imp after the fist bomb [22:09] Why don't you look at Koenigstuhl for some good steps? [22:09] http://www.ociw.edu/~birk/COREWAR/koenigstuhl.html [22:10] thanks, i'll try. bomber steps aren't usefull or ? [22:10] depends [22:11] but for papers you usually have to make sure that the different silk-engines (spl + mov.i } -1, > -1) don't overwrite themselves too soon [22:15] Join: The_Phoen joined #corewars [22:15] Hi The_Phoen :) [22:15] Hey guys [22:16] Are you new to corewar? [22:16] It's supposed to be Phoenix, and yes I am... I started a few days ago and I wrote Cancer.. which has a score of 105 on '94 draft [22:16] Yikes I'll be back in a moment [22:17] MSG: Client Quit [22:17] so look for something called natriumchlorid [22:18] huh? [22:18] on the beginner hill soon [22:18] I see :) [22:18] ok, salt would been more simply *grin* [22:20] * Fluffy kicks bvowky to make SAL faster! [22:20] hmm, battle is still going on [22:20] 25th :) [22:21] ok, not this good [22:21] against the benchmark it was my best till now [22:22] probably because the hill only consists of papers and scanners [22:22] the scanners eat your paper and you only get ties from the other papers [22:23] hmm, so i need an scanner, or must improve my stone to scare jon [22:24] Papers don't have to loose to scanners, but it usually needs some optimizing [22:24] You can try to write a paper, which throws some bombs [22:25] sth like "silk1 + silk2 + throw bomb + throw bomb + end-silk + bomb" [22:26] hmm, seems to me i need some time to think and then one or two great ideas... ok i'm off for now [22:27] * Fluffy waves [22:27] MSG: Quit: Thurasiz [22:33] Join: The_Phoen joined #corewars [22:33] Hey again [22:33] :) [22:34] I must say that I was highly pleased to find that Core Wars had an active member base [22:35] We do what we can :) [22:36] So have you been doing this long? [22:36] 100 points on '94 is quite nice. Do you have any plans to improve your warrior [22:36] No, since April 16th, 2005 :) [22:36] I've been trying to implement a genetic algorithm and a better step [22:37] Sounds nice, but maybe ' runs to few rounds to make genetic algorithms effective [22:37] i tried it out on the experimental as well [22:37] same score [22:38] Yes, but if you look at the scores of Cancer you'll se that each and every warrior (!) on the hil takes more than 150 points from you [22:38] Right not it's a p-brain [22:38] *now [22:38] implements either a silk replicator strategy or a one-shot strategy [22:39] ? [22:39] http://www.koth.org/lcgi-bin/warriorinfo.pl?hill94:21:taken:1 [22:39] Ah quite so [22:40] Would you like me to send you the source? [22:40] Does it have a quickscanner? [22:40] Sort of... I tried a scanner in the replicator part but I don't think it's effective [22:41] I haven't grasped exactly what makes a scanner effective [22:41] http://www.corewar.co.uk/scanner.htm [22:42] ^_^ Thank You [22:42] But I was talking about a quickscanner :) [22:42] Then I guess my answer is no [22:42] It doesn't have one :p [22:43] ... which scans a few locations (30..40) and bombs everything that it find very hard [22:43] I did try one [22:43] I'm not sure if it works [22:43] and? [22:43] but there's one in there [22:44] Cancer started as a modified algorithm for a silk replicator, then I eventually built in other parts [22:44] I just added p-space functionality last night [22:45] I've only been doing this for three days ;p [22:45] Did you try Cancer also on the Beginner's Hill? [22:46] Beginner's Hill? [22:46] http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/hill.php?key=94b [22:46] Thanks again ^_^ [22:46] SAL (http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/index.php) has some nice hills, too :) [22:47] Do I need to register to submit my warrior? [22:47] no, just send the warrior to [22:47] and the first line of the mail-body has to be ";redcode-94b" [22:48] (for the Beginner's hill) [22:48] oh ok.. I've only used koth servers so far that's why I was unsure... thank you though :) [22:48] no problem [22:48] the hill at koth.org are quite tough [22:48] Any asserts? [22:48] for beginner? [22:48] ;assert 1? [22:49] no, but an ";assert 1" should be fine [22:49] Ok :) [22:50] subject? [22:50] koth? [22:52] yes [22:52] that's up to you [22:52] but dont' use something too long [22:53] ok [22:53] I sent it [22:54] It is in the queue :) [22:54] should be [22:54] http://sal.math.ualberta.ca/queue.php [22:55] Oh it's in there alright ^_^ [22:55] :) [22:55] Ok I have a question [22:56] 6th :) [22:56] In the windows NT/XP binary of PmarsW, is it possible to slow down the action do that I can watch the battle... it ends almost immediately [22:56] yay! [22:56] :) [22:57] pmars -e warrior.red [22:57] that enters the debug mode [22:57] O ok thank you :) [22:57] press 's' + Enter to step through your code [22:57] Alright [22:57] pmars -e warrior.red opponent.red works, too [22:58] * Fluffy congrats The_Phoen :) [22:58] It is probably your first warrior to enter any hill, right? [22:58] ok good [22:58] Haha thank you [22:58] Indeed [22:58] By the way, you can call me Phoenix.. the ix got cut off [22:59] No, I won't ;) [22:59] Haha [22:59] you can change your nick with '/nick Phoenix' [22:59] then I'll call you Phoenix [22:59] Nick Change: The_Phoen changed nick to Phoenix [22:59] Ok [22:59] :p [23:00] I'm using GAIM so I wasn't sure if /nick would work [23:00] Join: Thurasiz joined #corewars [23:00] I'm back to take revenge [23:00] Phoenix: GAIM supports the basic IRC-commands [23:00] Good to know [23:00] lol [23:01] I've never used GAIM for IRC [23:01] just AIM,MSN,Jabber,and SILC [23:01] not on you, you are to strong :-) [23:01] So what do you guys do for a living? [23:02] Play CW? [23:02] naaah [23:02] :-) [23:02] Haha [23:02] * Core_old scratches his head... [23:02] Try to play CW, sometimes play WoW, and working (Bundeswehr-> German Army (No, I'm not a Soldier)) [23:03] Poor Thurasiz ;) [23:03] wooooooooooooo [23:03] Try to play some SupCom...and working in a hospital [23:03] ;-) [23:03] just merged ikarus and natriumchlorid to the new natriumchlorid... (well without imp and with bombs) and got place 6 ! [23:04] Nice :) [23:05] very interesting, so a mixture of silk and stone do work very well... good to know [23:05] yes, it is called pws [23:05] (paper with stone) [23:05] at least it is called that way, if you start a paper with separate stone [23:05] yes, found some in the net and so i merged my to... [23:06] no, i boot the stone and then start silks [23:06] ... which is often difficult to create, because you have to get the timing between the paper and the stone right [23:07] http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.corewar/browse_thread/thread/19dece9fe3a3dc37/20bd4a144c283a20?lnk=gst&q=Quickscanners&rnum=3#20bd4a144c283a20 might be interesting for you, Thurasiz [23:07] So do any of you program outside of RedCode? [23:08] Thank you. No I'm only working with Excel when not playing ;-) [23:08] Phoenix: There are other programming languages? ;) [23:09] Haha [23:09] hmm as i said before, cancer is still better then mine *grin* [23:10] Seriously? [23:10] It's my first and only warrior :p [23:10] yes, I#m 6 and cancer now 5 [23:11] I discovered Core Wars three days ago [23:11] Phoenix: You said, that Cancer is a p-warrior, which switches between paper and coreclear, right? [23:11] really ? then I'm sinking to my knees and pray to you [23:11] Indeed [23:11] Lol don't do that [23:11] :p [23:11] Thurasiz: coreclears (and oneshots) are often very deadly to papers [23:12] That's why I put both together :p [23:12] I always thought that P-brain logic would be hard to achieve.. but it was rather easily actually [23:13] how did you do ? switch on loss or more complicate ? [23:13] A tad more complicated [23:14] switch on tie? [23:14] Switch if not a win [23:14] and if it is a win, keep currenyt [23:14] *current [23:15] It looks like this [23:16] hmm, somewhere on Saschas pdf was said something about brainwashing... i need to read this ,-) [23:16] hehe [23:17] but that would only help against p-warriors [23:17] LoadP ldp 0,HoldP [23:17] HoldP dat 0,0 [23:17] sne HoldP,#1 [23:17] jmp logic [23:17] jmp logic2 [23:17] logic ldp 2,HoldP [23:17] seq HoldP,#1 [23:17] jmp laststance [23:17] jmp norm [23:18] logic2 ldp 2,HoldP [23:18] seq HoldP,#1 [23:18] jmp norm [23:18] jmp laststance [23:18] some enemy more i can defeat then *g* (always positive thinking) [23:18] ^^That's my algorithm [23:18] but you see [23:19] in each section (norm or laststance) when they run, they save either a 1 or 2 to P-space 2 [23:19] norm saves 1 and laststance saves 2 [23:19] that way the warrior knows what it used last [23:20] i think i understand how it works... [23:20] :) [23:20] I thought of it last night [23:21] understanding isn't my usual feeling on redcode *laughs* [23:22] I don't even understand my paper algorithm anymore [23:22] I did so much trial and error [23:22] that it's uber hard to follow all the pointers [23:23] hmm, phoenex, may i ask where you come from ? [23:23] I'm a freshmen at the University of South Carolina [23:24] freshmen? [23:24] indeed [23:24] what's that? [23:24] First year of college [23:24] just start started? [23:24] I se [23:24] e [23:24] ok, i gave some coworker my corewar stuff, hoping he will begin too... wouldn't surprise me if he had made so good at start [23:25] Fluffy you're not in the US are you? [23:25] nope [23:25] Europe? [23:25] depends [23:25] on? [23:26] hmm ... no idea [23:26] ;) [23:26] Germany? [23:26] :) [23:26] Oh I'm good [23:27] I'm good at analyzing speech/typing patterns [23:27] To determine orgin [23:27] I'm an active member on the Hack in the Box security forums as well [23:27] cann you do so even with unknown language ? ;-) [23:28] Depends [23:29] let's give it a try, i write and you tell me my region, or even city... [23:29] earth? [23:30] I'm willing to bet that you're dutch? [23:30] wait [23:30] hold on [23:30] ok [23:30] go [23:30] Da hät dä jong für mich jesaht e wüd ens minge herkunft an dä sproch erkenne ? [23:31] no, more eastwards, but not far [23:31] hehe [23:31] You were born October 14, 1983 [23:31] Germany [23:32] you live in Cologne [23:32] ^_^ [23:32] ok, know I'm impressed... not cologne i was born there and live in Bonn now [23:33] lol [23:33] but how did you find out when my birthday is ? [23:33] Oh [23:33] and [23:33] Your laptop [23:33] runs SuSe Linux [23:33] 10.0 [23:33] thats finally wrong... the part with linux [23:33] Damn [23:34] funny... [23:34] since 3 weeks my linux won't work :-( [23:34] Haha [23:35] I'm scdared now [23:35] You like RPG's [23:35] dont be [23:35] i googled your username [23:35] your WoW profile came up [23:35] LOL! [23:36] autsch [23:36] hahahahahaha [23:36] ok, you got me tricked [23:36] no [23:36] ? [23:36] What else could he do? [23:36] Not much [23:36] hmm, wrong word again ? [23:37] I'm actually quite innocent [23:37] no, but i didn't came to the idea he did this [23:38] i should use more variable usernames [23:38] quite [23:38] as in indeed [23:39] 'See if fluffy asked the same thing, i'd have no idea [23:39] Hi Phoenix [23:39] Hey Mizcu [23:39] seems Fluffy tries to steal my position as the official guide for newbies [23:39] Haha [23:39] Call me what you will [23:39] Phoenix: You could find out, if you'd google a little bit more [23:40] but I did get 5th on the beginner hill :p [23:40] I haven't look yet [23:40] I'll try [23:40] well, as my defence, i was having a tense game of Victoria: Revolutions [23:40] I don't even want to know what that is ;) [23:41] It can't be better than Tetris :) [23:41] Are there any Secrets involved? [23:41] hmm, yes i think i can tell your name and even know how you look fluffy. well how you looked 2004 [23:41] ;-) [23:41] Phoenix: URL? [23:41] URL to what? [23:41] to the image? [23:42] moment please... [23:42] sorry, I mixed up your nicks [23:42] Oh aha it's ok [23:43] Tab completion doesn't always help [23:44] my fault, i found a third german... ok no foto jens [23:44] Fluffy: What does bvowk stand for? [23:44] got only sascha and christian [23:44] bvowk? [23:44] Phoenix: Barley Vowk (believe or not) [23:45] Who is bvowk? [23:45] You are apparently... on tunes.orgf [23:45] *org [23:45] where? [23:46] If you say so [23:47] Not sure [23:47] I believe you're very computer savvy... a bit of a hacker [23:47] A nice one of course [23:47] try his name and corewars... [23:47] Not nearly as good as what I found already [23:48] ? [23:48] nyef: ceaseless is certainly the word in openbsd's case. [23:48] that comment makes me know it's him [23:49] He uses the same style of addressing people [23:49] with a colon [23:49] rather than an @ [23:49] Isn't that right Fluffy :p [23:51] it is strange how fast you found the one and only truth about cw [23:51] hmm i'm using this name now about 6 or 7 years and phoenis was the first one i know who googelt me [23:51] There is only ONE person who plays cw and he/she/it uses many names [23:51] Haha [23:51] I found out [23:51] that you used to go by bvowk [23:51] on this IRC chat [23:51] * Fluffy kicks bvowk [23:51] Nope, it didn't hurt [23:52] *laughs* [23:52] You're also a hacker of sorts [23:52] You know a great deal about technology [23:53] Yes, that right. I know how to switch on the light. [23:53] I even manage to switch it off [23:53] ... from time to time. [23:54] ... with a little help from others. [23:54] You know a lot about OpenBSD [23:54] someone is on the wrong tracks now [23:54] seems so [23:54] Eh [23:54] * Fluffy kicks bvowky again [23:54] You couldn't get it working [23:54] Well [23:55] Actually [23:56] * Thurasiz serves coffee (it's late here) [23:57] Yeah [23:57] it's 8 here [23:58] nah, its 1am... [23:58] i have to go... bye [23:58] Later [23:58] * Fluffy waves [23:58] MSG: Quit: Thurasiz [23:59] gone he is [23:59] Yes, some people still pretend that there is life besides cw.