[00:52] hmm [02:25] Join: Caelian_ joined #corewars [02:29] MSG: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:17] MSG: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:18] Join: Caelian|w joined #corewars [07:55] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [08:17] ...--... [08:40] what the-- [08:42] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [08:44] i decided to do another probe/advertising warrior for sal-b, and i just made a discovery worth 125 -> 136 (beginner benchmark), which i expected to only give 1-2 points more [09:26] maybe i should show this to Metcalf.. [09:26] though he seems to be on summer vacation [10:18] hmm, and there goes the third cheapo china-chair so far [12:19] Join: Core_old_ joined #corewars [12:29] Join: fiveop joined #corewars [13:15] MSG: Quit: Lost terminal [13:39] MSG: Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com [18:31] Join: Roy joined #corewars [18:32] * bvowk throws spls in roys path [18:33] * Roy slows do.. [18:33] * Roy slows do.. [18:33] * Roy slows do.. [18:34] damn splits.. [18:34] * bvowk batters roy with dats until he dies, and then takes his wallet [18:35] * bvowk uses roys credit cards to buy a new sal thats got 16 cores and 64GB of ram [18:36] * Roy is broke :( [18:37] but you can play lots of nano really fast! [18:38] so whatcha hacking before you were brutally assaulted in #corewars? [18:40] Morgage.. [18:40] *mortgage [18:40] doesnt' sound like fun to me [18:41] Didn't say it was ;-) [18:41] I'm assuming you came here to get away from that and have some fun! [18:45] I doubt that... [18:45] But give it your best shot :-) [18:46] heh [18:46] I don't know what you strange europeans do for fun.. [18:46] * bvowk offers a beer, cause its a painfully hot day here [18:52] * bvowk is currently reading about unix filesystem internals [18:52] which is wildy exciting [18:55] Heh, I probably need a unix for dummies manual.. [18:55] Well, I now know basic vi and simple commands like top/ps/head/disk/grep etc [18:56] unix is nothing but simple commands [18:56] the most important being man. [18:56] because if you're doing it right, you'll be reading man alot [18:59] True true, but man won't tell you when to use a command, nor will it show you better/easier commands :) experience is key here [19:00] thats not true.. man has the related commands section [19:02] but yeah, there is a fair bit of experience [19:02] on the other hand, everything you learn in unix you can bring with you if you as long as you bother to bring your commands forward :) [19:04] Thats true, but I still also like windowed GUI's though [19:05] Still haven't found the perfect window/commandline mix, must be some Linux GUI that has it, and then I'll just run VM-Ware for my windows programs... [19:05] they don't really mix.. [19:05] thats the problem :) [19:06] so I keep my command line windows on a separate desktop as my fully gui aps [19:06] Nah, a mix would be perfect, both have pro's and cons [19:07] I imagine a 'always-on-top' commandline somewhere in which you can enter commands, and if you push the [^] you get a full cmd-box [19:08] no, they don't really mix see, because they don't have the same input device [19:09] you've got to swap between rodent and keyboard [19:09] so basicly there's two modes, 95% rodent, and 95% keyboard [19:11] You can just reposition your hands and type...? [19:12] yeah, but there's a shift in your brain.. they're different activities [19:12] one you have to consider your actions while you're typing [19:12] the other is poking at things and waiting for the result [19:12] totally different thinking [19:14] That might just be a problem in your head ;-) [19:14] I practise switching a lot, I program in Windows... [19:15] no, its not :) [19:16] command line you're visualizing what you're doing, and what you expect to happen [19:25] Yeah, but I still think it'll mix.. sometimes you can't split both completely. Very often I use commandline stuff when developing, but I need my GUI to use the app I make :) [19:26] I have to tunnel with Cygwin while adjusting server settings in firefox [19:37] * Roy made a puzzle! [19:39] A new puzzle genre actually [19:58] what sort? [20:05] Logic puzzle, something like a sudoku but then completely different :) [20:19] MSG: [20:35] Join: gonzbitch joined #corewars [20:40] heh [22:49] I can't get my head around really simple things in redcode such as why the dwarf example in "The beginner's guide to redcode" works like it does... The different addressing modes are my current problem in this particular example. [22:53] have you tried watching in the debugger? [22:55] Yes, I've watched a working version and tried making my own based solely on my own knowledge. [22:55] The latter doesn't add up to much, though. [22:56] The "@" before a number means exactly what? [22:57] I'm actually not the person to ask here :) [22:57] I write evolvers, not redcode [22:57] Ok :) [22:58] I'll just have to fiddle with it a few more days, I guess. [22:59] if you come in ~8h from now, mizcu would likely be around.. [22:59] he's pretty good with helping people understand redcode [23:01] Thanks for the tip :)