[07:23] =hrm. [08:00] Join: Nenad joined #corewars [08:01] hey nenad. [08:05] hey :) [08:05] whats up? [08:28] at work. thinking about some code and how to change it. nothing much. you? [08:31] same [12:24] http://www.ivica-novakovic.from.hr/Nokia%20Lcd%20Termometar.htm [12:40] :) [12:49] Join: yoR joined #corewars [12:50] Yay [12:50] Got IRC again (irssi) [12:52] MSG: Client Quit [12:52] Join: yoR joined #corewars [13:02] hey hey, YorroY :) [13:10] Nenad, haven't seen you here for a while [13:11] How's life? [13:25] it exists :) [13:25] Are you sure..? [13:25] * yoR watched the Matrix too many times [13:25] heh. well, philosophy set aside :), probably :) at least during weekends [13:26] My weekends are a blur regularly... they go by way too fast [13:26] hehe. agreed [13:26] Thank god for extra long easter weekends! [13:26] besides, half the time I only get sundays off, only half of my weekends so far have been 2-day-long [13:26] (or Allah or something else) [13:27] Pfft... thats though, I wouldn't survive [13:27] you would :) and that's the worst bit :) you can get used to anything :) [13:27] Except a guy.. [13:27] LOL [13:27] (Thats a dutch saying) [13:28] you have such sayings? :) [13:28] Alles went behalve een vent [13:28] (You can get used to anything, except guys) [13:29] LOL, even wikipedia knows that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_gets_used_to_anything%2C_except_a_guy [13:31] well... ok... :) not that I'd expect such a saying from a dutchman :P - when people mention Netherlands here, they have only a few ideas in their minds - legalised prostitution, narcotics, gay people, and Hague :) [13:31] or was it meant to be said by women? [13:33] oh, I see now. [13:33] * Nenad has read wikipedia article [13:33] :P [13:34] anyway, have you been into some redcode lately? [13:35] Thats what we want the world to know about us ;-) [13:36] Redcode.. hmm... not really actually [13:36] My evolver-cravings are comming back again, so I might revive my last evolver-project [13:37] It had a silly bug I couldn't find last time, so I ditched it :-) [13:37] heh. nice. [13:40] why don't you come here for your holiday? :) LOL you could come every year and say you've been to a different country and not lie! :) :) /me is kidding, of course [13:40] but I should probably be making some plans for the summer [13:41] I'll get only two weeks free 'til next february and that only if I'm lucky, so I need to make some plans in advance. [13:42] Heh, my boss is sending me to San Francisco [13:42] And I was planning to go to the US on holliday, but my gf changed these plans yesterdat [13:43] Now she wants to visit a friend in Swiss, and then travel to Italy (and maybe further) [13:46] hmm... sounds interesting. you could even do some climbing :) [13:48] You climb? [13:49] I've done it before in France with some friends, but I don't really like it.. [13:50] It is cool to have a friend with the right gear and knowledge, France has a lot of these places you just go and attach yourself and off you go :) I never knew that before I went with him [13:50] no, not really :( but I'd like to [13:51] * yoR 'd rather go surfing on the atlantic, Biarritz! [13:51] lol [13:51] well, may the sharks be busy playing corewar :) [13:51] Sharks.. hrm, too cold in Biarritz (France) for now... maybe the next 5 - 10 years [13:53] hmm... well, at least USA admitted there is some global warming taking place. not that they're doing anything about it [13:53] They do drive Hybrid cars... [13:54] * yoR might get a hybrid next, but not for the enviroment! [13:55] For a hybrid in the netherlands you only have to pay half the yearly car-tax, I could save up to 200-300 euro a month driving a Prius or Honda Hybrid :-( but the cars are so...ugly! [13:59] that's nice. [14:00] that's about half of my monthly income - so I'd say it's not that insignificant lol :) now, that's a distorted perspective. [14:01] do you really drive that much? or is it just that gasoline is more expensive? [14:02] oh, taxes [14:02] well, dunno about that [14:02] I don't have a car here, so I can't make a comparison [14:08] Well, I get a lease-car from the company I work for, so they pay for the car... but I have to pay 'bijtelling'-tax, which is years a percentage of the cars value, for nonhybrids its yearly 25%, but for hybrids only 14% [14:10] So, if for example, my car is worth 25.000 euro, I have to pay 520 euro monthly tax (with 25%) [14:11] But the pro is, the company pays for all other stuff, gas, insurance, damage (150 euro own-risk)... so its worth it [14:11] Even if I crash, or blow up an engine, it will only cost me 150 max extra [14:12] But, for a 25.000 euro Hybrid... I only have to pay 290 euro a month, huge difference [14:13] hmmmm... :) I see the difference :) [14:13] * Nenad is going to buy a bike instead [14:13] it's cheaper :) [14:16] Cyclebike or Motorbike? [14:26] cyclebike lol [14:26] :) [14:26] it's more than enough for my city - 300.000 [14:27] it's not huge, so I even managed to get everywhere by foot 'til now, but now I don't have enough time for that [14:27] so I need to gain some speed :) and a regular bike is more than enough for a start [14:30] Yeah it probably is [14:30] Netherlands are famous for their bike usage, everybody has one.. [14:31] * yoR has two actually, a weekend-beer-bike (don't really care if that one is stolen) and a nice mountainbike [14:34] My two work locations are 35km and 90km.. from my house, not close enough to do by bike [14:41] so, you drive? [14:42] or go by train, bus... [14:44] No, public transport isn't very good.. so I drive every day, but I don't mind [14:44] * yoR likes driving! [14:48] not good? :) [14:48] I doubt it :) but, hey, if you can have a car of your own... [14:52] It takes me at least twice as long with public transport, and altough I could read books or work on my laptop (standing up?) the time lost evens out the half productivity I might have in a bus/train [14:53] When I have to go 90km by car it takes me 45minutes, by train it would take me 90 at least.. :( [14:54] When I get a job in Rotterdam I would take the train though.. maybe even the bike. But for the next 4 months I'm stuck here [14:56] I really can't stand the fact I couldn't get my evolver working previously, I'm dying to drive home and fix it now! [14:56] For some odd reason it worked for the first 100/200 cycles, but then started generating random warriors, very strange [14:58] And in the first 100 cycles, I very quickly hit a local optima, rather then the global optimum [14:58] But thats a general problem in CW-evolution I guess.. [15:05] hmm... [15:05] probably [15:06] If you can detect a local optima you could start a new random pool and mix the two when that one reaches a local optima too [15:06] But that probably still isn't very good [15:06] exploration vs exploitation. it is always an issue [15:07] particle swarms might be nice :) [15:07] with predator/prey framework [15:07] I did that in my optimizer [15:07] never gotten myself to test it properly, but in theory it should be a reasonable approach to cope with such difficulties [15:08] Well, having islands/seperation is always good [15:09] Thats what the microGP guys do (if I'm correct) [15:09] That will enforce having different genepools, new DNA [15:12] yes, I know. :) [15:12] I had a short discussion with bvowk here a few days ago about that approach [15:12] * yoR dives into the logs [15:15] 14.3. [15:15] The diff-part is intresting, I wanted to do the same.. thus enforcing seperated genes [15:16] But if you really want to mimic nature you should also restrict crossovers if the genes are too far apart (which is counter-inituive) [15:17] So you add something to have more diversity, and then limit the crossovers to similair warriors heh [15:23] it is not very counter-intuitive [15:23] it is not very likely that mating a scanner with a paper would be successfull [15:23] you must increase diversity, but locally [15:24] and only that way can you really increase global diversity in the long run [15:24] on the other hand, stones and replicators might produce good offspring, but those are details now :) [15:25] Yeah, who says a stone/paper is related to a stone or a paper? maybe they started out as little stone-papers [15:27] My other idea was having clans, not looking at diversity (yet) starting with random warriors put into clans, when a clan gets too small it just merges with another clan, and then it gets too large, it splits randomly into two clans, but crossovers only take place within one clan [15:28] That way a bad paper-clan and a bad-stone clan (they evolved into those, when in a clan the code-base will quickly turn similair) you can get a mediate paper-stone randomly ;-) [15:29] Its much easier, less tweaking constants, and might work even better [15:30] * yoR is going to implement this first when I find the nasty random-warrior-bug [15:35] Aww, no reaction, and I have to go now :-( [15:35] * yoR waves [15:35] MSG: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:39] it is an interesting idea :) [15:40] I was just distracted for a few mins [15:40] anyway, [15:40] * Nenad waves back (though late) [15:54] * Nenad has to go [15:54] * Nenad waves [15:54] MSG: [17:59] Join: yoR joined #corewars [17:59] Hmm, my evolver actually is looking much better then I remembered...! [19:05] Join: willvarfa joined #corewars [19:10] hi will [19:11] hi [19:11] so its not quite dead here then? ;-D [19:12] No, its not, read the logs :) [19:12] Some days we top 10k! [19:15] so who set the channel topic? JM? Is that an Origin Of Storms reference in the name? [19:17] OoS is a much used nick of JM [19:20] * yoR loves to listen to Richard Dawkins interviews :-) [19:24] my favourite warrior, OoS, was [19:26] I like it too, so simple :) [19:26] So unique [19:26] so what'ya upto roy? [19:26] OoS: perfection is when there is nothing left to take out [19:27] correction: perfection is when there is no-one left to take out [19:27] * yoR is working on his evolver again (haven't done that in about a year) [19:32] * willvarfa is considering using genetic algorithms for genuine work purposes [19:33] * willvarfa is perhaps using the wrong tech, but definitely the coolest tech [19:33] no, neural networks are the coolect [19:34] * yoR agrees with Mizcu [19:34] NN are cooler then GA's ;-) [19:35] of course, GA generated NN's.. [19:35] * yoR nods [19:35] Or... NN expending NN's... [19:36] heresy! how can you say there *here*, of all places??? [19:37] Because NN's aren't really fit to put in CW? But still are cooler :) [19:37] But I would really love to see a Redcode-generating Neural Network though [19:50] MSG: Quit: Ex-Chat [20:14] Join: Fizmo joined #corewars [20:14] hi hi [20:15] seems I missed them all [20:16] hF [20:17] hM [20:17] :-P [20:18] MSG: Client Quit [20:19] MSG: